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• Martin Luther King was...
When i said this exact same thing 2 years ago
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Nancy Pelosi taking a knee in Kente cloth is comedy beyond the capacity of AI
I turned off the internet that day. Exhausting.
Scene out of the twilight zone!!!
Us:can we get police reform?
Nancy: best I can do is a kneeling costume party
dude i cant ever forget that pelosi did that thinking she was doing something.
LOL shit was hilariously cringe
It’s definitely easier to be a black grifter than an actually be a real Black entertainer.
Sad, but true.
Man...facts
It’s one and the same, isn’t it ?
Candace owens isn’t a “grifter” but there’s plenty of other black people who are. No push back for those individuals though
@@brie2964 what does she stand for?
WHY ARE WE HAVING POLITICAL DEBATES WITH ENTERTAINERS AND GRIFTERS???
WHY DO YOU PPL TAKE OFFENSE ANYTIME SOMEONE BRINGS UP Y’ALL IGNORANT CLUELESS BEHAVIOR ..GROW UP
@@stopthecap2764 , do you mean to comment to someone else? I don't know how it relates to me saying entertainers shouldn't be giving political advice. I'm real lost.
@@user-rl5nh5yh7v so you’re not calling Candace owens a grifter? I must be blind
@@stopthecap2764 You're claiming she isn't?
@@JohnHughesChampignyyes lol. Anyone who consistently uses that term just aims it at anyone who calls out inappropriate/negative behavior in the blk community m
It seems that Black conservatives often achieve prominence more rapidly than Black individuals on the Left. Perhaps the barriers to entry are lower, or there are non-Black conservatives who are eager to hear from Black individuals who align with their views. However, this support is not always reciprocated. For instance, Larry Elder, despite promoting right-wing ideas for years, did not even qualify for the debate stage during the Republican primary.
Religion
The barriers are lower because there are far fewer black individuals on the right. That being said, the left really needs to do a better job listening to allowing everyone to have a voice.
To be fair, that's like saying white pro capitalists get way more support and eyes than white socialists, which makes sense because it's easier and more lucrative to be pro the status quo because that's rewarded by that status quo. That's why we know it's not just about entertainment, or opinions, or a need to play victim, or laziness or any of those things, that some people are behind. If things were so organic and not about propaganda, there wouldn't be a need to silence or diminish voices that go against the status quo because people's lived experiences would negate those alleged by the negating voices
insightful response, I'd probably say black conservatives are more likely to gain traction if they speak and act in line with both white AND Black conservatives. Popular Black conservatives tend to hold views that fall nearly completely in line with their white counterparts. Leftists seem seem to have a bigger barrier to entry because 1. the point of leftism largely is not about spectacle or platform, it's about message. Which is why the right attracts so many grifters. 2. The left has a wide array of perspectives and opinions about different things, however slight. The empasis being that the wide array of experiences and perspectives helps to teach one another and strengthen our movement.
However incredibly wrong conservatives are, their strength is not in their unity but in the bland narrowness of their beliefs and the strength to which they hold onto them in spite of evidence to the contrary
Because they cater the white supremacists majority. So it makes it easier for them to gain prominence.
93 crime joke had impeccable timing 😂
most important thing in comedy
Made me snort.
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@@billyconnelly3568And I
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Thank you F.D.,
debate is highly overrated and we don't have to have "civil discourse" with bad faith actors and racists.
In a debate, participants need to be willing to consider your position. These people have discounted it well before the debate has begun.
Fam it been whole wars stopped with a conversation
Debate can work but the issue is that it's devolved into owning your "opponent" and gotcha moments. So to speak.
There are quite a few debates where someone got "owned" even though they were not wrong, they just weren't good at playing the field. So to speak.
Jordan Peterson and Shapiro built their careers on being able to play the field. And the sweat.
@@AntBell-fl8tqThat was discourse by good faith participants that led to a compromise. That’s not what common “debates” are.
@@AntBell-fl8tq Like which ones? Which wars have been stopped by a conversation instead of the reality: that the bullying side was getting its butts handed to them and pretended to compromise.
“White ring, right wing?” Potato, potato, I think.
"He poured his CRUELTY, his MALICE and his will to dominate all life." That sounds like the political ideology known as conservatism. Conservatives have the same ambition that Sauron had. They seek to dominate and EXPLOIT everyone and everything. The WHITE ring of power, they seek it, all their thoughts are bent on it.
I thought I was silly when I read both "potato"s with the same pronunciation, but somehow, I think that helps make the point
@@TheResidence.mp4 there's no second way of saying potato dude, uk ppl don't say potÁHto
🥔 no spice.
@@TheResidence.mp4Gordon Ramsay does.😅
"politics has morphed into another form of entertainment" now that is very astute
I mean it kind of always was. Like back then you had the founding fathers writing attack articles on each other and getting into duels.
@@alexanderguerrero347 The Founding Fathers were petty as fuck 😂
The only thing Candace Owens represents is her own opportunism and grift.
Well it's profitable, not saying it's the right course
Most TH-camrs or Podcasters are opportunists. Your favorites usually aren’t exceptions to that
@@ShogunShotgunzthank you.
Yeah, I don't think she actually even believes the stuff she says, she's just educated and black pilled. (Thinks the system can't be fixed, you just have to think only of yourself while you can)
If missing the point was a person...
I really rock with the point that politics has been turned into another form of media content. It reminds me of a Frank Zappa (rock musician) quote: "Politics is the entertainment branch of the Military Industrial Complex".
Dayum! You invoked Frank's holy name... respect
I agree with that and will also add that politics has replaced religion for simple minded people that need to be told how to live and what to think
Just look at what percentage of tax dollars go to the military, as they did in Zappa's time as well, to confirm this. The US Navy does guard the shipping lanes and NATO might be our last line of defense from tyrants like Putin, but there's got to be a better way than throwing tens of billions of dollars at single jet projects and single tank projects. I'm not exaggerating, look up the Abrams X (for its price you bet it's as sexy as that name) and the F-35/YF-32 program, aka. The Gang Awards the Multi-Billion Dollar Contract to Both Competing Teams. The next time a boomer brings up participation trophies, remind them of that time in the late 2000s when boomers gave the losing company a winning contract alongside the winner. "We'll go out of business researching this plane." Sounds like a management (or greed) problem to me. /rant
poignant quote claire
Zappa was so unbelievably wise for his time!! His black and white interview about the music industry is still one of my favorites
As a white man, I've noticed that my conservative counterparts often point to these characters as evidence that the conservative right is not inherently racist, and if you take that further, the strong reaction to the implication of racism (and man people really freak out about it), it could just be that it works to soothe the "pain" of "reverse racism"....
In the 1930s/40s there were a few Jewish people who helped and supported the Nazi party and their ideology, yet you will never see anyone claim that Nazis were not antisemitic.
It's just "I'm not racist, I have a black friend" applied to a political party
@@TerranigmaQuintet would anyone had said it at the time though?
but gods help you if you ever ask those same conservatives why black people are so *overwhelmingly* against the Republican party and the right in general. They don't like when you point out their tokenization of certain useful stooges.
@@TerranigmaQuintet 150k were in the Nazi forces, meanwhile the Zionist German Jews fled to Palestine under the Haavara Agreement.
Right wing has a "White Ring" to it 😏
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"He poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life." That sounds like the political ideology known as conservatism. Conservatives have the same ambition that Sauron had. They seek to dominate and exploit everyone and everything. The white ring of power, they seek it, all their thoughts are bent on it.
"He poured his CRUELTY, his MALICE and his will to dominate all life." That sounds like the political ideology known as conservatism. Conservatives have the same ambition that Sauron had. They seek to DOMINATE and EXPLOIT everyone and everything. The WHITE ring of power, they seek it, all their thoughts are bent on it.
Glad I wasn't the only one realizing the hidden bars 😂
Yea the moment human rights are subject to "debate", yall have already fucked up. I say debate in quotes, because there is no genuine debate in these frameworks. I'm all down for conversations between people who disagree on some things. Though I think we need to have a serious sit down n talk about what conversations are productive to have. Is the viewing of these conversations as entertainment really helpful? If yes, who's it helping? Sure as hell ain't the common man.
That "viewing these conversations as entertainment" thing gets on my last damned nerve, personally. Other people having their humanity up for debate isn't funny to me. People having their personal sovereignty and bodily autonomy removed isn't funny to me. Entire states deciding purposeful ignorance is best for their entire populace isn't funny to me.
I just don't give anyone arguing for those things any attention. I don't give people laughing at them any attention. I don't even know what the new outrage or moral panic du jours are until someone I trust enough to follow on TH-cam (a very short list) mentions them. I've only got a finite amount of time in this world, and I'm not wasting it by filling it with garbage.
@@RevShifty^right there with you. I'm a mixed trans man, and I've had a lot of "allies" send me trans debate videos. It's like.. what tf about me makes you think I wanna watch two cis white men argue about my basic human rights? Tf is that doing for me? Ah yes another conversation about us happening without us. Idgaf if they claim to be on different party lines. These aren't sports teams, this shit impacts the lives of everyone. I don't want to laugh about how stupid one side is. It isn't funny. These discussions, and the decisions made as a result are going to dictate how human I am perceived by my government. This applies to all issues regarding minorities, and human rights. The fact this is a conversation at all is deeply painful.
I am being denied medical care rn due to this BS. You know what no one ever talks about? The ripple effects. I have a friend with a hormone condition. She's a cis woman with underdeveloped ovaries which is causing her to go into early onset menopause, and because of the anti trans legislation in texas she can't get the hormone therapy she needs. Again she's a cis straight woman, but her insurance, and clinics don't want to take the risk of covering it rn. She can't afford estrogen treatments out of pocket, so she's being forced to take alternative meds that have estrogen in them despite hating the side effects. These issues don't just affect the people they are targeting, other people get caught up in it to. People who didn't care, and didn't think it would ever effect them personally. How these complex issues are talked about in media is important.
Watching those videos is not political action, it's political consumption n people seem to be gettin the two confused. It's so frustrating. I've had to break this down to many people in my life. Yall act like my ally by watching these videos, or reading an article, feeling a sense of outrage. When just yesterday you walked past that queer homeless child on the street without a thought in the world to lend a hand. Where's the outrage when it counts? This isn't a game. Idc if your team is winning, or losing. I care about all the people suffering who've been repeatedly burned by our government. Refusing to protect it's citizens, and actively harming them. The reactionary, sensationalism of politics is not entertaining to me. It's a vile distraction taking up too much damn time, n people forget what really matters in it all.
Politics has literally always and is constantly debating on human rights . . . .
You realize all rights, whether human or otherwise are constructions of societal powers, whether democratically or through more tyrannical means, right? There's not some omnipotent, immutable inscribed sheet of bedrock brought down by God that tells us what is & isn't a right.
I say all that because I get the inference from your comment that there might be a pattern of behavior of using "how dare you even question this!?" as a shield to just not have uncomfortable conversations, which to me, is the biggest increasing detriment to our society by far. Not all conversations can or should be comfortable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. Uncomfortable conversations are hard though, and we all the "right" to not engage for our wellbeing, but the "duty" should be to try to push through that at least sometimes.
I’m turning 55 on the 15th. I grew up in Baltimore and the first five years of school, I was the only white kid on the school bus. At 12 I wound up in a group home and shifted around until I was 14 and landed in one where I would stay until I turned 18. The men who worked there and raised me were fraternity boys from a local HBCU. If it weren’t for them, I would have become the statistic the experts predicted when I was 8, I’m neurally diverse. It was the time they took to see who I was and help me become a better me through example and encouragement. Thanks for this video as I wouldn’t have understood the issue you pointed out without having it pointed out to me. Thanks for making this video. You made much of the same points that I made about the Democrats. Feeding the algorithm in your favor.
Happy early birthday!
happy birthday! I hope it's a really good one
Happy birthday and did the fraternity have a chapter house off Garrison Blvd.?
I think the fact that Candace felt the need to explain who Joe Budden was in her lil announcement video tells you everything you need to know about who the intended audience is, and her awareness of it
Great point‼️
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Hard disagree. Most normal people and Joe Budden haters don't know who he is. It's their favorite insult to sling, and he knows he can't fight it.
I have trans and gay friends that agree with Katt Williams IJS
@TheArtOfAlchemy I'm not saying we all agree with Joe, but he is in the black zeitgeist. Needing him explained means you either are not black, don't associate with black people, or have never been on Twitter. Even more damning, she said "he's an entertainer" not "the pump it up guy"
@@sizwesokopo281I'd take "entertainer" over "pump it up guy." Way more respectful of his relevance and career. Pump It Up was 2003, 21 years ago, and people know him better as the hater from Everyday Struggle and his podcast. Call him a failed rapper. People still don't even recognize Slaughterhouse unless it's to slander the man. One of the few rappers (the only one actually, I think) to beef with Drake with no mask, no angle, and utterly destroy him in the sport. Yet his relevance is so low he basically lost because NOBODY CARED. Drake didn't respond because he knew he didn't have to. Yes. Mostly black people are gonna know Joe, but it's only gonna be hip hop heads. Not people who listen to rap. Not even rappers. You're talking about a niche within a niche at the point where an album with Rage Against the Machine does nothing for your credibility or renown. "Pump it guy" has no respect behind it at this point, but facetiousness.
AKA "The curious case of Benjamin Budden"
this is the best comment. this.
I watch a lot of Black content creators and I noticed about a year ago there was this wave of Black reactors especially who were getting donations to react to videos that reinforced conservative politics. It was usually channels whose theme was relatively far from politics, like music reactions or movie reactions. It was pretty clearly a coordinated campaign and it seemed like very few creators cared or even noticed...although I do remember MrLBoyd doing a video like that and then taking it down a few days later with a statement something like "There was something going on that I didn't understand when I did the video and I don't want any part of that". He didn't elaborate but it seemed like he noticed.
They have trolls or bots requesting for them to watch videos like, Eminem the greatest rapper according to 8 mile or Larry Bird was a cold bball player (he was btw), lead to Bill Burr who is not really a conservative (but is comfortable talking about BP), and then it leads them to Thomas Sewell and then down the drain to repill content. It's a targeted operation towards black creators.
@@cjmack8153 Yep, that's exactly it. They always end up at Thomas Sowell and Candace Owens.
This is so true. I know of one channel (CF, iykyk) who were mainly a Hip-Hop/music reaction channel but more recently they have been reacting to conservative content and pundits, soaking up their messages, and sounding a lot like them.
I think part of the reason this type of conversation catches such fire is because it falls in line with the gender wars politics that is very popular for Black people on social media. We love to argue men vs. women and conservative and toxic masculinity behaviors under that heuristic always fall on men.
Yet Candace being a mouth piece for conservatives her being a black woman is never used to demonize the group ever.
@@imanigordon6803 yeah women aren't viewed in gender debates as having the conservative opinions really. So even when you have a Candace Owens she's seen as the outlier.
@@tilly_esq which is crazy because in the media talking head discussion she isn’t 😂
It's scary to think that FD truly believes that people with oppossing views shouldn't go on platforms like Joe Budden podcast or The Breakfast Club. Its as if hes okay with silencing someone who has a differing opinion from his own. Thats so odd. It's as if FD feels the black community cant make decisions for themselves and he needs to lecture them on who to listen to.
Candace Owens has opinions, and its her right to express them. Silencing dissident voices wont help your cause. Its not like Candace Owens, or any black conservatives woke up on day and said they want to make money from being a conservative voice. No, they've seen the troubles with liberalism and chose to express their concerns. Just so happens these people are good at it, and have made successful careers from it.
I just think its terrible liberals love to silence someone with different views and labeling political debates and discussions as "dangerous." Grow up, and man up.
@@samspade8830 nah most black people in entertainment usually are playing with fire when trying to step into the political realm especially when you have right wing media using it to farm content making their racist hateful ideologies seem cohesive by debating an individual that has no idea of the tactics they use and they are just there for entertainment.
Dude purposefully wrote a script with like 6 R-words in a row, living dangerously my man.
That's what I said, he created his own tongue twister😂
Nice alliteration though
You said it right away politics is another form of entertainment. absolutely!
I mean the presidential devates and inter party candidate debates is proof of that.
budden didn't make me think less of black men, he made me think less of podcasters.
perhaps there is hope...
Thanks for this fam. Most people interested in trampling your rights do not care to debate you. They already have dehumanized you and no amount of discourse will change that. Stuff like this is such an obvious cash in on the controversy and contrarionism. These jokers do not give a damn about their ideas or their humanity.
I wish Stacy Dash never got that role in Clueless. Could have gone to a real badass and not a bootlicker! 😢
She definitely sullies the enjoyment of the film these days.
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Awwww…Stacey Dash…what a tragic waste. Never saw that one coming. Smdh
Her cousin is not much better. The whole family seems to be opportunistic with no real moral compass
I feel so old grieving this lost opportunity because I realize it was 30+ years now 😅 but it matters! 😫
If you haven't actually watched the Budden podcast episode where he brings Candace up, just for a bit more context:
Budden openly acknowledged having significant differences politically to Candace. He chose to overlook that bc she disapproved of a famous pop star's private life and began trashing her and her assumed b/f in what Joe thought was a very entertaining way. Hence the photo days after.
This wasn't an endorsement. It's much more dumb.
That part 😂
I disagree a bit. Joe likes to caveat his infatuation with Cadence but he agrees with a lot of her talking points and he lets it seep out all the time. He’s never shared any of those disagreements. And could be just me but on most major talking points Joe probably agrees with Candace
That's why I'm so thankful I don't follow pop culture. In any of its permutations. More people need to start treating their attention and time like the valuable resources they are these days IMO.
Controversy is the easiest way to gain undue attention. We've known this for centuries, but it still works every single time.
Joe carried water for Meek saying he likes Candace literally last week
"Republican Joe" has been a joke on the pod since Rory and Mal were on it
@@nexttonowhereMaga mal is in full force right now too
I find the invisibility of black women's identities very interesting because it's something that I've noticed over and over again and I think it's because black women are not considered "useful" or "commodifiable" within white supremacy; that system kinda doesn't know what to do with us. Whereas white supremacy can't wait to use the untrue narratives it's created about black men's socially abject behavior to push all kinds of horrible ideas and serve it's overall purpose.
Black women are seen as The Wild Card. Will we fight ALL oppression or just patriarchy? I know...the irony.
This reminds me when Charlamagne tha God told journalist Chris Wallace that Black people's support for Trump was tied to the distribution of stimulus checks. SMH
Unfortunately a lot of it is
@@lawyer-iz9isno it’s not you sound just ignorant
This is the same thing Sexxy Red said on that podcast actually. To quote loosely: "People saying he was racist, saying shit about women... until he gave everyone free money"
Black men out of their mouths said that lol.
That's the main reason they said they supported him.
That was true tho. That's why Trump fought so hard to make sure his name was on the checks. Bc that did earn him some cache with a small cohort of people. The few black men that did support trump wouldn't have if they didn't view him as "the guy who cut me a check"
I appreciate this take, and appreciate the call-in on this. I absolutely believed this narrative about Black men even though I had seen the numbers on how they actually vote. Thank you for pointing out that cognitive dissonance. You're always appreciated! 🙏🏾
I think because of red pill podcast we see how many outspoken Blackman agree with conservative misogynistic ideas outspokenly. In the most recent years the podcast has really divided my thoughts of what is reality vs social media I'm honestly confused I meet blk men in real life who will state a conservative Ideal and cite a podcast or a nonsensical social media platform where they get beliefs. Also when black men push back on this they get dog piled feminized or called a simp by other blk men im honestly confused but thank you for opening my eyes.
Bingo!
Also, remember, Black entertainers are no more different than average Black men or women, so they can subscribe to that notion as well and have the same views as the Red Pill community or the divestor community. Meaning they also can hate Black men and women and not care for the community and then also spread it to other Black men and women.
Because people have incoherent political beliefs all the time. I worked with a gay guy who went to pride every year and voted republican being a misogynist doesn't stop you from voting for democrats.
What's confusing or the issue there ? People get ideas from this channel as well and they often don't serve others best interest as well. the difference is you think your a good person and justified but your not different.
If you’re confused you probably see things at face value and you don’t do further research on the community dynamics. I hope this encourages you to study more.
That raccoon sound almost made me choke on my granola
Yeah, I fell out on that! lol
Neither of those parties give a damn about people
It's so wild to me that Budden still has an audience, but I'm so thankful for my brother FD and his hard work. You're a gem big bro
Do you watch Joe Budden?
Bro is simply entertaining to watch with a entertaining cast, most of us don’t watch because we outright LOVE Joe but he has interesting perspectives and direct experience with the HipHop community.
Joe gets cooked by his Audience on the daily.
People like FD hit their growth cap because their mostly predictable and don’t offer anything new and thought provoking outside of standard lefty ideals,
Yall so stuck in your bubble your getting weird, why wouldn't he have an audience he provides value and successful in multiple industries.
But honestly when has being a good guy ever been a barometer for a audience? You provide value for people or you don't.
@@OBsurdityTV i love that for you fam 👊🏾
@@jaccl4539 i think you mean you're 👍🏾
Plain language “Joe doesn’t have the range to skillfully debate Owen’s”,, it is what it is.
I am mixed race Brazilian and I watch your videos a lot. So first, thank you for them.
And if I could request or suggest a theme...that would be about the perceptions and misperceptions of Black Americans towards other black people. Not only toward black people in Africa, but across the Americas as well because sometimes I get the impression that Black Americans simply ignored the existence of Latin-American blacks, or even European Blacks all together. I am aware that Charleston White isn't the representative of the majority, but his opinion is that Black Americans and black Africans simply belong to different categories, because of slavery, is that a common opinion among African-Americans? And what about Jamaicans or Haitians, are they regarded as different as well?
In my country of Brazil I think the majority of Brazilian blacks also think of themselves different of black Africans, as we Brazilians tend to see ourselves as different from our Spanish-speaking neighbors. But because several forms of African spirituality brought by slaves survived in the country to this day, and they are popular there is a tendency to seek a reconnection with Africa, and specially the Yoruba Land, as a sort of spiritual homeland.
Black experience in North America has become very influential for black people in South America. Figures such as Martin Luther King, Malcolm X or Fred Hampton, even Assata Shakur are more known to people in some circles than prominent black people of their own country. But the other way around does not look quite as common, even among the political minded African-Americans.
Therefore, my question is: can blacks across the Americas build some form of solidarity or are we divided also by our countries? For people that think race-relations in Brazil has become more polarized by the influence of American Blacks, African-Americans at the end of the day are as much as gringos to us as the whitest people from New England. But is that so? If Candace Owens promotes anti-black politics and (I presume) hawkish imperialism what black politics has to say about other blacks folks in other countries oppressed by the U.S.?
Thank you, your videos are great.
I think part of the issue is that white supremacy takes forms unique to the cultures of each country. Like for example, who is considered black and merely "moreno" can vary from country to country, even just within the United States and its territories; who's black in the US might not be considered black in Puerto Rico.
Likewise what's considered white can also vary. According to Mexican values, I might be considered white, but to American values I am not even white passing.
Then there's the contradictory latino drive to both integrate people into nationality over ethnicity while also practicing colorism. It's a very complex topic, but I think an understanding of solidarity because of class and opposition to neoliberal capitalism (and opposition to US intervention in states that reject that ideology) could be a common ground for many latinos regardless of our ethnic and cultural backgrounds.
@@fluidthought42 Absolutely, racialization/racial categorization is contextual. It's definitely fascinating.
Interesting. I also think with the sheer size of the US, and its influence on the whole world in general, which is partly how African American voices are amplified even more, and also because of English as a language is everywhere which allows subjects and topics to be disseminated more effectively and widely. Black people in the US are also of a sizeable number and have been able to mobilise in a very unique way. I can't speak for Brazil, but in the way that the concept of black identity was formed in the US is how all our ancestors' ethnic groups, languages, etc. was collapsed into one defining element, black. That's why I think the continent moves so differently from us, because for them they have distinct and clear ethnic groups/tribes, which then shape how they perceive their identity compared to us.
It's interesting because as a black Brit, I am aware that my awareness of my identity is largely, although not completely, shaped by African American discourse because that's what I have been exposed to.
I found when I was in Mexico last month everyone instantly assumed that I was American, and was surprised/shocked to see that I was a black Brit. We're such a rarity in a global context.
It's interesting what you were saying about the preservation of Yoruba traditions in Brazil, because I have been noticing how black people in Catholic countries in the Americas were able to preserve African religions a lot more than protestant/anglophone countries. There are far more overt demonstrations of African spirituality which would have been more easily crushed under Protestantism.
Great comments. Would love to see FD do that one, with lots of interviews. & a reading list.
This is a great topic. And I would add that there needs to be a discussion that Black Americans are at the end of the day AMERICAN. Stereotypically and generally, Americans are known to not care much about educating themselves outside of their spheres of influence and environs. It's not everyone for sure, and I've noticed among the younger population a humility to simply learn as well as travel to experience other cultures without prescribing, but that's why people say Americans are geographically and culturally ignorant at a global level. If it doesn't involve them, they are not too bothered. And when they do learn about others it can be prescriptive and surface level and has to be perceived from their point of view (see the whole debate regarding south African identity like Tyla, prescription of condescending solutions to Africans , being the police to determine the blackness of black people around the world whether that be sudanese, afro Turks, afro Arabs, siddhis, Madagascans, Ethiopians, Afro Latinas, etc. This is not just a black American characteristic, but rather a trait borne out of being American, the "number one country in the world" but it's complicated because many AAs within the nation don't feel American as they've been hurt, abused, and rejected by their society and have had to fight for a lot of what they have, so they understandably don't have a sense of togetherness with other Americans (white, Hispanic, Asian etc), but when outside of that American bubble they don't realize how similar they are to other Americans. White Americans can be very oblivious and condescending with Europeans, Asian Americans can be very condescending and prescriptive of other continental Asians, Latino Americans tend to think they are better than the south Americans left at home and can also be prescriptive of the issues going in for eg in Ecuador or Brazil. The American is the one who knows best, and the rest can only be grateful and follow the guidelines that have been provided regardless of local or personal context. I think this would a be a heavy topic to address as I believe even geopolitically the tides are changing in the world order and it has spooked many people out and could also explain this rush to go back to the way things were and conservatism offers itself up as a messiah "Make America Great Again". The way things were is that America sat at the very top with no competition and they had control - and feeling like you do not have control anymore or that it is slipping is a scary thing.
What a solid video. Your content quality is so dense with info I have to pause and re-listen quite a few times.
He is exceptional. This is my first time seeing him, but man did he impress the he'll out of me. So much so I wrote as much while commenting on his video.
@@Shadow-user-pq3ik1wd5c he takes this job seriously, and isn’t simply trying to make money but it seems his goal is to put out top-quality information for those that seek it. He could make more money grifting and telling people what they want to hear and then selling them merch, but it seems that it’s more important to inform people and give to us for free what he has worked long and hard to come by himself.
Wow, “black misandry” is a term I heard not too long ago and I really wanted to hear your perspective on it. Truly appreciate the info in this video!
About that statement on politics becoming a form of entertainment. When I was younger, I remember someone said, "American politics has become Hollywood for ugly people."
Yooooo FD you actually wore the hoodie!! meeting you in humboldt was def a bucket list for me i was tryina play it so cool it was great to have the chance to talk with you in person it’s reassuring to know your authentic through and through 🙏🏾✊🏾🔥
Thanks again! This character has popped up in my feed I watched a couple & decided something wasn't right. You confirmed it & I respect you
As much as TikTok has issues, it regularly feeds me Black men who are probably "typical," and uplift Black people and give thoughtful, nuanced perspectives. I appreciate seeing it here on TH-cam too!
Joe has no plan to debate Candace Owens, he was very clear he thinks her takes on pop culture are funny. He didn't invite his cast mates and says the interview was more a take on her upbringing because he doesn't do politics.
Stumbled on your channel.THANK YOU first of all for talking in a real way that is straight to the point. You get right to the meat and potatoes of subjects without extras. I just subscribed and i'm gonna try and revisit your old videos. Your correct how every election cycle they try and make it look the way they want it to look
I respect this comment section. People are actually talking (writing) back and fourth, without emotion, but with their own angle, respectfully. Glad i subbed this channel a couple months ago...
I had this dude point me to a Candace Owen post on Facebook and I pointed out for him to count how many white people vs black people kept giving likes to her posts. It was hilarious
I have this argument with the tv or political podcasts all the time! Thank you
I still believe these conversation are still needed.
11:05 I appreciate that you take the time to stress EXACTLY what it is you’re addressing. Even when it’s not actually what you want to do. Man’s integrity is never in question. Thanks for viewpoint bro
Bro, you are way too intelligent to be dismissive of the 94 crime bill. That is one of the biggest central cities against the black community and jumpstarted modern day mass incarceration. That one is worth 10 and I challenge you to point out any singular policy by Democrats that was worse.
Brother FD thank you for this vid!
Joe thinks he is smarter than he really is. I don't think he has brought her on to debate. He wants views that is all.
How is that not smart? 🤔
Sadly, I must admit that FD was exactly right in this take and the Joe Candace interview went exactly the way he predicted it would.
I feel like Candace only exists for yts to feel less racist for voting in the party that legislates most oppressively…”SHE’s black and SHE agrees….I’m not racist!”
11:14 that part. As a Black woman who’s way to smart to have fallen for this the way I did in 2018 I can tell you why: homophobia, patriarchy, and a more prominent desire to assimilate. However 70% of Americans vote with out wallets so I shoulda known better…. Starts singing monica
Needed to hear this!
👏👏👏👏👏 This! Thank you! I am soo happy I have found your channel!
NGL its been tempting as a black trans guy to Candace Owens myself 😂just say anything and get a bag
I’ve been out the loop playing Final Fantasy VII Rebirth for the past 5 days I wasn’t prepared for Joe Budden and Candace Owens on my algorithm.
Thank you so much for making this video! Thank you!
I'm so glad you addressed this! Thank you, FD!
Thank you for keepin' it💯 F.D.,✊🏽
Hey 2/3 ain't bad 🤣
Yo shout out to your editor for using instrumentals that take the entire videos length for me to remember the songs they're from
This is great perspective! Thank you!!!
Candace went to college for journalism. If you do not come at her with that level of homework completed and the counter work researched, she will walk all over you. And a lot of podcast bros idea of research is a quick Google search and thinking it’s equal to a degree with coursework.
Not really because most propaganda isn't rooted in any other logic than "capitalism and white, Christian, man good" "everything else bad"
Bingo
She dropped out tho.
@@cjmack8153 Mmmhmm, but before going to study journalism she would've likely done work in school and extracurriculars so she could show it on her applications. So she was doing the prep work just to attend. Yes, she dropped out cause of student loan issues (le sigh) but that doesn't mean she didn't pick up anything. And then she went to work for Vogue magazine.
Then I guess she realized there's no money in this shit so she went to work for a private equity firm. And then when that whole Social Autopsy scandal alongside Gamergate happened, she (like Steve Bannon, who also was involved in the media and his own brand of "journalism") deduced her next pivot. This is a woman trained in research and self-preservation.
@@asiabrew81 I think her and personalities like her time is almost up anyway, because their audience will change.I think it's going to happen when the Trump era is over in 24' or 28.
I don’t know FD- I’m going to send you some the conversation I’ve had with people on Twitter who present as black men who have proported themselves to be right leaning republicans.
Somehow you missed the part where he mentioned where bad actors are impersonating black folks. And somehow a handful of men represent millions of black men.
How is Twitter a better reflection of black male thought than actual data of our population?
That’s because most black people were Republican prior to the 60s and I’d argue most of us lean more right today. The black community has historically been a more conservative people. If you asked about our beliefs without any talking points or knowing which side supported what position I think a lot would be surprised at how much of their beliefs align more with the republican party even if they dislike its representatives.
@@darnell9806the Republican Party is conservative in the same sense Democratic Party is progressive..
Black people have no place with the Grand Ole Party. Just because we are traditional in some sense, and we are religious, but not fanatical- nor do we use religion as a weapon, or tool, to push an agenda(W. Nationalism).
Besides that, what’s important, is policy- we dang sure aren’t favored in any of the policies being implemented/proposed by the Republican Party.
@@darnell9806the Republican Party is conservative in the same sense Democratic Party is progressive..
Black people have no place with the Grand Ole Party. Just because we are traditional in some sense, and we are religious, but not fanatical- nor do we use religion as a weapon, or tool, to push an agenda(W. Nationalism).
Besides that, what’s important, is policy- we dang sure aren’t favored in any of the policies being implemented/proposed by the Republican Party.
@@DarkSideOfTheBrightSide I would argue we aren’t favored by any political party’s policies, republican or democrat. Also I wouldn’t be so quick to just label the entire party W. Nationalist. Are W. Nationalist in the GOP? Absolutely, but that doesn’t make everyone who identifies as repub one. It’s more important to vote on issues that concern you and yours and which ever politician you believe will serve you best, regardless of party affiliation.
Well said my bro! You have some damn sense. I be feeling alone af. People don’t know what I’m talking about. Subbed
Thank you for breaking this down.
Insightful, and helpful.
I was done with Joe over the whole Rory and Mal situation. When people show you their cloth is polyester, you don't turn around and pretend it's silk.
Goddamn your videos are brilliant. We are so trained to see black men as a threat even when overwhelmingly they are out performing almost every demographic when it comes to voting in a more progressive manner. Anti-blackness and anti-male blackness is so pervasive, it can be hard to see and thank you for pointing it out in this context.
I see this video is another companion piece to the trope that black men are portrayed as hating black women and that’s also mythologised in the media. We just keep falling for it over and over again, and I know that you hate doing these videos but they are incredibly helpful because I’m not actually getting this information from anyone else out there which means I need to look harder but you’re holding it down in a way that’s pretty easy to find online.
the older i get the more of these videos i watch. this may be the year i finally get nebula
Hello, would you be so kind to post your reading list recommendation? Thanks!
I always love your vids FD, Hope you read this comment, I really want to know your thoughts. Like you said, you’re definitely going to have to repeat this again. I do agree that black men’s problem with patriarchy is deep rooted and needs to be worked out especially as a BM myself, but I loved how you said that’s it’s so many other men’s problems as well and I do think that gets lost. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see other races of men, especially white ones on the Left look at Patriarchy nowhere nearly as critical as we do. Again it could be an assumption. But in other spaces it’s always seems it’s “the good guys vs the bad guys” and they don’t self reflect at how they have contributed or maybe protected regressive ideas in there community, BM have done that too, but it just seems like theres always something to hold us all collectively in place to hold ourselves accountable. Which I think is good, in some ways; real life isn’t “good vs bad”. But real life is also like you pointed out that Black Men are some of the most progressive men in the country, so it does seem like a flat out paradox lol I.
don’t want to attack anybody but I see a lot of regressive attitudes from non BM of Color, but I rarely see leftists men talk about how these ideas manifested in the first place. It shouldn’t be a competition but I personally think folks would be surprised just how conservative other races of Men can be, and it looks a lot worse than Joe Budden, or Candace Owens. But it’s cool though lol
The American political space is dominated by market logic. It makes sense that black conservatives, a more niche product, would gain prominence quickly. Novelty is marketable, and most black Americans are left-liberal adjacent. Hearing a black voice that counters that normative trend lends credibility to conservativism, and the space isn't that saturated.
Wow. This is hitting me real hard. Because you said is true. I'm a black woman but I'd consumed this idea of seeing black men as being conservative voters.
Great analysis bruh .....this needed to be said...even though you gotta say it 500 times....
Back when I was down in the online conservative rabbit hole, figures like Candace, Larry elder and Thomas sowell were a comforting thing because it made my thoughts feel valid when it came to my opinions on racism in America. It all fell under the umbrella of “the woke left thinks this is the issue when said issue doesn’t exist”
Do you not agree with Sowell? Dude is brilliant and is likely the most accomplished living economist today.
"the woke left thinks this is the issue when said issue doesn’t exist”
Read the "Technological Slavery by Theodore Kaczynski". I don't know your specific stance on that umbrella, but you are not the first and certainly won't ever be the last to come up with said conclusion.
“But leftist activists do not take such an approach because it would not satisfy their emotional needs. Helping black people is not their real goal. Instead, race problems serve as an excuse for them to express their own hostility and frustrated need for power. In doing so they actually harm black people, because the activists’ hostile attitude toward the white majority tends to intensify race hatred.
If our society had no social problems at all, the leftists would have to INVENT problems in order to provide themselves with an excuse for making a fuss.”
And this is coming from a book that really doesn't focus on the effects of politics.
@@ian_does_cool_thingsbased on what metric is he the most accomplished?
We meet again@@Redactedlllllllllllll - I don't want to argue with you. But if this is a conversation I'm all for it. Everything I would tell you about Thomas Sowell you could have googled if you truly wanted to know. And it's cool if we don't agree. But here is a reason Candace's popularity is growing amongst black people. Don't be so stuck to "a side" that you miss other people's point of view...
Also not me wearing the same sweater from school as you whole watching this
Thank you! Well said, researched, and needed.
I laughed hard when I saw the video on my feed. I could picture FD being v frustrated just by the title. 😂
I think voter engagement is going to be the larger issue rather than race polling percentages. Why do we have to choose between Trump and Biden AGAIN? This is what is going to be the death of the country. Old men too proud to just be single term presidents. The feeling of going to vote and perform your civic duty the same as going in for a root canal. That's a lot of frustration piling up after every election cycle.
Anyway, great video again.
Very well stated dude! Candace is a clever snake.
I saw the interview today and said in my comments that Joe brought a knife to a gun fight and that the conversation needed someone like you 🤷🏽♀️
0:03 I love the aesthetic. It's like a straight fill with the ignored alpha channel on the "glow" which is why it has a harsh edge, but then it 's luma or color keyed? What the heck is going on there? haha Looks sick. FD, I'm an art director and work mostly in film. If you ever need something crazy or advice, Id be happy to help.
To the point of the video, yeah, it'd like debating a flat earther. Like, why?
Is it not 2fold though? That a woman like Candice Owens is not taken as seriously as a male political commentator of the same status, and is therefore seen as less representative and less of a threat. Plus black women just dont make it as far in right wing politics as you said, women in all fields are taken less seriously good or bad. And black women n women as a whole vote more progressively than men anyway. A black man in Candace Owens shoes might have a real political job by now in the Republican party.
Dont women fall into a trope time and time again of being a harmless and inconsequential voice, especially if you are surrounded by right wing folk. Its why 'trad wives' are genuinely less harmful than incels, they are literally self selectively oppressed.
Taken seriously by who? Don’t you think that the fact that Candace Owens has her own show, on what is one of the most popular right-wing media outlets and is regularly circulated as guest appearances in various social media circuits evidence that she has a not insignificant amount of fans that do believe she speaks to a notable level of legitimacy? She may not be running for an elected office but that doesn’t mean that people aren’t listening to what she has to say, even if it’s just reinforcing their regressive beliefs and biases. Also there are most certainly conservative Black women running for and winning publicly elected positions, former Mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot was one example or hell even Kamala Harris if we’re being real. I’m not sure to the extent that Black men are necessarily overshadowing Black women in that regard, truth be told anybody can serve as a tool for the state and status quo as long as you learn the dance and can appeal to your base effectively
Isn't Candance Ownens tremendously rich though? Is working in the GOP as lucrative as being a media figure?
Its not an FD video unless you can hear his mic rumbling around in his hand
Great points, especially the aspect of black media. The trouble I always have is the way our media makes light or joke about issues in our media spaces. Even worse, somehow The Shade Room is considered a news source and greatly influences politics, view points, etc.
The ‘94 crime bill!? I wonder who supported or even wrote the thing 🥲
A lot of African Americans supported the 1994 Crime Bill. After the astronomical incarceration, it was an albatross. give massive credit that President Biden is open to decarceration and limits to law enforcement immunity.
Everybody supported it. passed 94 - 4
www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1031/vote_103_1_00384.htm
Which people learned from the mistake and denounced it?
Yakub👀
2/3 of the congressional black caucus voted for it but everyone tends to forget about that
@@diddy2612
The Black caucus has never moved in our best interest.
this is why knowledge of self is so valuable...there is no shortage of people telling other people who to be
Budden has always struck me as someone who is singularly motivated by his own self interests and ego. In a sense, I don’t think ideology comes into the picture at any point for him. He’s always been cold blooded about that shit, so if bringing on Candace brings eyeballs along with it, I honestly don’t Think he’s going to give a fuck about the potential ramifications of it either Way.
Although the washed up rapper to conservative pipeline is small in the grand scheme of things, it is still very much a problem. As fiq said in the outro, it's most definitely gonna have to get addressed every couple of months because as tired as the tactic is, it's still marginally effective enough to be a problem; and much like that manosphere bs we hear online, we haven't as a collective community seen the ramifications of what this will do to the younger generations to come. Given their readily available access to this hot trash at such an early age we can only cringe in horror what kind of adults they’ll turn into when their earliest influences are herbs like Candice Owens and fking Sneako.
Always enjoy hearing your thoughts and perspectives. About Nebula, I’ve heard they were requiring channels (particularly Second Thought) to release pro Israel/middle ground statements on the Genocide in Gaza. Is this true, and if so, how does that sit with you?
Hey FD, have you considered making the clip at 4:05 a short?
I think we need.. You
On these podcasts, too.
Easier said than done ofc.
Much love
Time for some light work 🙌🏾
Even tho I’m on the right side I gotta give props when you right 💪🏾💪🏾
Ameican politics has always been entertainment. A means to stir up people's emotions and make them feel whatever way they need them to feel. Its just more fine tuned now because we as a people are in a locked step formation with our reactions and responses.
I know one thing, you'd never see the Basedgod hanging out with Klandice Owens.
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I'm once again asking everyone to watch Innuendo Studios' full playlist talking about and deconstructing all these strategies, including why figures like Candace Owens should not be debated. It's called The Alt Right Playbook. I rewatch it at least once per year, in full, to remind me and keep fresh in my mind what these strategies are and how to avoid/counteract them.
I'm about to watch it now.
I'm about to watch it now.
Assumptions speak volumes about the people who hold onto them. Not the people they accuse of thinking the way they do.
Salute on standing on the truth, wherever it may lead
She's skilled at gish gallop, not legitimate debate.