The INSANITY of Fire Emblem: Blazing Blade Chapter Requirements (FE7)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Fire Emblem 7, the Blazing Blade's side-quest and alternate chapter requirements were freaking DUMB. Remember when you used to get Karel, but sometimes Harken? What about seeing Kishuna unexpectedly? FE7 had some bizarre requirements to unlock its side-quests, and today we revisit the game to talk about every single one of them.
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Lucius is great
So, the recruitment (or side) chapters of Sacred Stones then? I don’t think Sacred Stones were that convoluted compared to Blazing Sword.
Lowkey convinced FE7's shenanigans were made cryptic enough to encourage replay value and discussion. Some of the stuff highlighted is honestly stuff that wouldn't be out of place in old-school rumors like "train X 30 times in Y during Z place and you'll gain access to AZ".
Definitely feel that was the case, even if I played long after their prime and used the Internet to get what outcomes I wanted.
That or sell guides. Those were still a thing when it released
@@Gensolinkabsolutely it’s in the same vein that desert chapters and fe6 best ending (have Roy deal the final blow for an extra secret CG) also Karla as a secret unit
It's what we used to do in the playground, I talked at least 5 other people to get the game for their GBA's which spread to people playing it on Emulator etc. Having different units from eachother got us all talking about what we did differently
@@Gensolink sell guides absolutely
early FF was infamous for doing this until 12 where you HAD to buy a guide to progress through some stuff in the game except for things the guide said you had to visit their website instead which you could only know AFTER you bought the guide
meaning you could get stuck in something, buy a guide and then find out it was useless to begin with
People were so mad the rerelease of the game removed that shit
So here's a curious footnote! The Japanese for 18xx is " 異伝 " (iden), which translates to "Another Story", as opposed to " 外伝 " (gaiden), which translates to "Side Story". What makes this neat is that Another Story is the term used for DLC chapters in modern FE, what we in English call the Xenologues. Thus, 18xx is essentially the first xenologue in the series, lol. I think with that in mind it is a little more forgiveable for its insane obscure requirements because it really isn't meant to be figured out "normally", its essentially an obscure easter egg sort of deal. Still annoying to get though!
Thank you so much for sharing this interesting bit of knowledge! That's really cool.
I would replay FE7 to death as a kid, and would always get Karel on the Kenneth map (I never used those Axe Boys)
Then one time I got Harken on the Jerme map and was very confused
It's always fun to hear about these differences between people's experience with the same game
Idk why but I think FE7 wanted u to use a cool guy of some sort, so if u didn't use any of the cooler axe boys u had, u would get karel
I mean, why use those crusty dusty fighters when all your Paladins and Heroes can use axes just fine.
Raven counts along with the fighters
I brought the stragy guide for it, I miss those things.
I beat the game like 4 times before I ever even saw Harken.
Drove me absolutely batty trying to find any clue of where this recruitable hero would be.
I even got soft-locked on Jerme's map once because I had no way to unlock the doors.
Unlock conditions were SO arbitrary in FE7: Especially the one that adds the combined levels of your magic users and compares them with your physical fighters. Just... why!? (Especially because that method doesn't actually estimated which type you rely on more heavily because PROMOTIONS EXIST. Absolutely mind-boggling.)
I never even saw A Glimpse In Time because, after many failed attempts during a handful of runs, I just assumed it impossible to kill Kishuna when he first appears.
Honestly, I wish FE would bring back conditions to get secret maps. Not as cryptic or specific as these, but at doing it in a certain amount of turns or something similar. Makes you feel like you’re being rewarded for how good (or at least fast) you’re playing.
Same therms we’re pretty awesome.
If I remember correctly, people just skip them on hard mode since they can tank the rankings.
I wouldn't mind them being this cryptic even, as long as they give you a hint after you finish the game once. That could be something for the previously series-staple Fortune Teller type characters to come back and do.
What.
I think super obscure conditions should be saved for alternate versions of chapters, Gaiden chapters should have simpler conditions.
I hate missing a gaiden chapter due to not knowing how to get it, but I love replaying the game over and over only to be dropped in a whole new map, just because I trained my mages more than my axe boys for some reason.
Extra craziness: Nergal's death quote changes depending on hiw many times you kill Kishuna. successfully killing Kishuna every possible time in Hector's story generates a long, and (unfortunately only in japanese due to a mistranslation) informative death quote. Nergal sought dark magic to save his dragon wife Aenir and return home together to Ninian and Nils, but forgot all of that in the process of gaining the power, as explained in the 遺伝 chapter you get from having Nils at lvl 7 and killing the magic seal.
That last requirement tree turned into such a name soup. I’m just nodding along like “I have no idea what he’s saying”
A lot of games followed this cryptic pattern from that era. That's why strategy guides were in abundance back then 😅
I tend to believe devs designed then on propose in order to sell game guides or promote gaming magazines.
I missed 16x the first time around and was so confused who the heck Fergus was, and how I found myself suddenly on a boat.
Also, I used none if the Lords, and Eliwood promoted at level 6!
19xx is also entirely responsible for my Arena Abuse addiction, because that's the best way to access it.
Supports was another thing that was extremely confusing, since you need to get 2 characters to sit together for an absurd numbers of turns with no signs you were doing anything correctly.
Well, Three Houses's obscure acquisitions don't come from unlocking paralogues, but boy does it have some other things that are weird to acquire. For example, there's the chapters in all routes except Crimson Flower where you storm Enbarr and can acquire two battalions: there's the Opera Co. Volunteers, earned by having Dorothea or Manuela approach the Opera House, and there's the Macuil Evil Repelling Co., earned if Seteth or Flayn go to a church there. Another one is the Tathlum Bow, dropped by a reinforcement in Azure Moon's Chapter 18.
Also, getting the Death Knight's Lance requires you to finish him off with Caspar in his and Mercedes' paralogue.
This video is drumming up a lot of nostalgia.
Chapter 24B on my first run being a nightmare, getting 19xx once, getting Harken maybe once, using the Mine exploit in Nino's gaiden map, etc.
Crazy this game is twenty now. Time flies.
Anyone who got 19xx on a gameboy with no guides back in the day was a wizard for sure
Agreed, the nostalgia is real. Back when I was a teenager getting new A rank supports (even with grinding and resets to get 2 A ranks in one playthrough) feel like a real achievements.
I tried FE Three Houses and I just couldn't care enough to complete it. It's not a bad game, but all the extra steps needed to recruit new units and get supports just feel like fluff.
Me wondering why there is a morph called kenneth I never fought a kenneth did I?
for me was Brendan and Jerme
@@estrum1647Brendan was only ever shown as NPC once, otherwise he was mentioned several times as the founder of Black Fang. it's not surprising you'd miss him tbh
I love the A&B side stage decisions. Made you feel like you had a sense of agency and choice
I played this game so times as a kid and was always confused by the, seemingly, random changes between play throughs. I had no idea how convoluted some of these conditions were
What a coincidence, I just replayed FE7 recently for the first time in a while and I literally thinking about this exact topic for the majority of the playthrough. Chapter 19xx in particular is just completely insane. You have to go out of your way to replay Lyn mode and transfer to Hector mode, grind Nils an unreasonable amount for no apparent reason, and then get lucky enough take out the very bulky Kishuna. And what do you get? A badly translated chapter focused entirely on lore with very little in terms of engaging gameplay. But I love it.
Honestly, I think the sheer insanity of the secret requirements of FE7 really contributed to the jigsaw nature of FE7's plot and made it much deeper than it otherwise would have been.
Agreed-The only thing I didn't like about the chapter variants is missing Wallace.
This reminds me of another game I played that was on the DS, "Rondo of Swords". In many ways, it's similar to "FE" but has some unique aspects of its own to stand out. Like having to path a character through an enemy to attack them.
But the one thing I will always remember about it, besides the guest characters, are how cryptic the secrets were to get. While some are relatively simple, many just require the main character to go adjacent to someone and talk to them, some can be quite head scratching. And many secrets are tied to each other, so missing one means missing 2-3 others as well.
For instance, a simple one would be something like in Stage 8. A village is under attack by pirates and there are civilians spread out across the map. Saving every civilian will unlock bonus stage 9 which has a new automatic recruit (Cotton, from "Cotton"). Simple, might require some effort to not miss but it's clear enough.
But than you have stuff like this:
In stage 15, you are stuck on a thin path in a valley. There are strong enemies to the north and weaker enemies to the south. You have to break through to the south and escape to win. But there's a unique female ninja enemy (Shino) along the southern path as well, so obviously there must be a way to recruit them. To do so, you have to place the main character (Serdic) adjacent to them and have them converse. It's simple but the two characters have basically nothing to do with each other so it's possible to overlook this. Especially since you are rushing.
Then in stage 18, you will enter a prison where two NPCs, a knight and a priestess (Yumiluna), are in the process of getting executed. Unlocking their cell door in time will save them and they will automatically join you after the stage. But, talking to Yumiluna with Serdic will unlock bonus stage 19. Again, simple but there's basically no indication.
Then in hidden stage 19, you will find another female ninja (Izuna) as an enemy. You have to have Shino talk to Izuna to have her join you. Do be careful since Izuna hits really hard and can KO Shino if you're careless. So you need a secret character from a prior stage to be deployed in a future hidden stage to unlock another character. Granted, if you've played "Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja", then you'd recognize both of them since they are guest characters from there. And even then, two female ninjas, possible connection regardless.
But still in hidden stage 19, you will find a former enemy unit, Alberich, imprisoned there as an NPC. Saving him here will allow him to join in a future stage.
Now this is the silly part:
The game actually has two different routes, Path A and Path B. Which one you get depends on a crucial decision you make at a certain stage soon after. Alberich's requirements actually differ slightly depending on which path you are on.
Path A requires you to save him in hidden stage 19 via talking to him with Serdic, he will join on Stage 29.
Path B requires you to save him in hidden stage 19 via talking to him with Yumiluna, and then talking to him again with Yumiluna on Stage 35.
So you have to both rescue him with the right character before the split path and then go down the right path corresponding to that character to get him.
Add in a ton of other hidden or barely explained secrets and mechanics and you basically have to play the game with a guide on hand.
Thanks for the video Ghast , I always wondered who the Hell Jerme was because I always benched Bartre , Dorcas , Guy and Raven and ended up fighting Kenneth , I never got Harken either because I always dealt with those promoted Units. When I was a teenage I got Lloyd's map more often but as an Adult I got Geitz and wondered what happened but I never looked it up. So it's great to see how I got the chapters that I played and why did I miss the others
Same here, Although I always tend to use Dorcas, and sometimes Raven
Played through this a few months ago and was wondering why I was still missing units by the end and why their was so little prologues in the game. Sort of drove me crazy actually because I didn't know how I could've possible missed so much.
I think the cryptic benefit is something that was more of a certain time and player age. Nowadays, it's too easy to get spoiled on all of these things, and even if you didn't I think most people would want to know anyway to get them all. In the modern day, there's so many games, and playing a 30 hour jrpg twice isn't for everyone, so locking content to different playthroughs, especially by random conditions I think would be just annoying for most. I think it's neat, but it wouldn't really work today.
Yeah back then you didnt have as much games available either because there wasnt as much in general or too young to buy stuff. Now there's not only a lot more games, but you can get a lot of them for relatively cheap thanks to stuff like steam sales.
Though at least they gave you reason to replay the game. Although I wish there was more clearer instructions for certain requirements like for ex nils they never specify to level him up to 7 just to level him up but I don’t know how many people will want to grind for him to reach that lev since he only gets 10 exp which means wasting 70 turns in total
U know how many turns I wasted in training Sain and/or Kent in ch. 9/10 Lyn Hard Mode? Boss abuse n stuff. Also, Supports took a long time also. I think it was better back in the days, cause these were extras, they weren't made to be found/got that easily
I gotta admit: you explained the Karel/Harken stuff very clearly, but it's still super confusing 😵💫😵💫😵💫
Love requirements like this that no one would find lmao
Lol I’ve only ever seen Kenneths map Serra’s my favorite character and I love those other characters you mentioned
bro this makes the requirements for units and endings of Majin Tensei look reasonable
and I've met people who actively miss this
then again I've also met people who miss required grinding old games had
FE6 had its own share of odd route splits. The village you visit in chapter 9 changes both chapters 10 and 11 and determined whether you got Larum or Elffin. Then Chapters 17-20 would take place in either Illia (where you get Juno) or Sacae (where you get Dayan instead) by comparing the experience gained on Pegasus Knights Shanna and Thea versus Nomads Sue and Sin.
FE7 is a perfect example of this and I think not only should Fire Emblem have secret and cryptic requirements but gaming as a whole and I’m serious
unlocking stuff that you can tell your friends about the next week at school was like the best feeling as a kid
Maybe but i feel like if it's too cryptic then that's only gonna make people look up guides which defeats the purpose of secrets.
Its gotta enough for players to assume "Hmm there might be a Gaiden/Paralouge chapter here"
It doesn’t work anymore because the internet exists.
@@nekonomicon2983 I agree like having a combined level of 50 between your lords is stupid but having a base conversation like FE9/10 to drop a subtle hint towards it would be peak game design
@@Ragnell123 Something similar would still work, it doesn’t have to be completely obscure like the pursuit ring in FE4 but a quick nod or hint if you pay attention to dialogue would be a fantastic way to implement these kinds of secrets
Well the issue is it was great as a kid because we didn't have access to such easy information, these kind of cryptic stuff don't work now that they get figured out in a couple days =/ Now they end up perceived as just annoying because they aren't secret, they're just convoluted.
Vestaria Saga had a bunch of these weird requirements for secret things, so I think it was a holdover from the Kaga era, he loves that stuff. I will agree that the very strange nature of it all led to some very interesting finds for FE7 and finding those "secrets" back then was really cool. But with guides and datamining nothing can really be hidden anymore, even for people who want it to be its hard to avoid spoilers in this day and age. Doing it in some way could still be cool though.
“Lucius is just not that good”
Bro come on he’s at least as good as Erk. He gets C rank staves when he promotes. That’s pretty awesome.
In general I actually find it easier to get the Keneth map, because Bartre sucks, and Dorcas and Guy are only good early game. Raven’s the only unit of the group worth using long term. Whereas I always want to use Priscilla, maybe Serra, and Erk/Lucius. So I’ve only ever seen Jereme’s map like, once, in a playthrough where I used Guy and Bartre,I believe.
He's actually better.
I remember being super confused seeing kenneth in the final chapter because I never managed to unlock him in the main story. I've also never unlocked Geitz either.
Be me
Try to get Harken again
Get some sword master
???????
Be oblivious as to how you even do the same route you did last time
I love this game but good God…
FE7 will definitely need a revisit from me in the future. I played it twice, once each for Eliwood and Hector, not skipping Lyn, with a guide open just for recruits. I didn't know about all this other cryptic stuff.
Great video!
Still not as dumb as suicide 7/8th of your entire army for a side chapter that gives you 1 mediocre unit. cough Shadow Dragon cough
I was just thinking about that. Until much later, I didn’t know the special missions existed because I’m too attached to my party members to let them die.
With Jaffar he died most times (he loved to run toward te mini boss and often lose and i did go from the Nino side) or was to far away for me but i did not know about rescue strats yet. So when i finally reached Jaffar him joining and the bonus map where nice, but the first time i had a lot of trouble with the bonus map
Honestly I’m kinda surprised I was able get not one but two Kishuna chapters as a kid. I was honestly trying to through as fast as I could. Those were fun times whenever I get to an x chapter. ^^
Now I just need to get nso to play my childhood again. Wish me luck getting me them all and have an awesome day everyone. o7
Man I think I got Kenneth's map like ONCE in my time playing FE7. I can't remember if I'd usually get Harken or Karel but I think Karel usually....and I'm not sure if I've ever gotten Linus's map in Four-Fanged Offense. FE7 was wild.
I've never gotten Jerme's map. Maybe one day I won't over level my mages.
@@Snesboy09It's not worth it, Kenneth's Map plays way better.
I totally agree! Secret requirements are one of the best features of FE games, and albeit some of them were annoying (which I guess it's why FE7 was picked which is random... and you didn't even mention Karla 😂), they're also the cool kind of stuff that may surprise you. I still play every new game of the series blind, and I miss stuff like... "Zephiel wasn't the final boss?" "Who is Stefan?" and the likes. Same with the "you either recruit one or the other" that has fallen out of favor but was one of the main reasons to replay the game (albeit both Fates and Three Houses did something similar with routes, so maybe why it's less missed).
So well, I hope next Fire Emblem reintroduces this. I do like silly requirements and secrets~
recruiting karla, AKA "grind up that particular guy, then deploy him at that particular mission and make him fight in the arena". all that for a unit who is not even that good
I find the Black Fang base's chapter requirements pleasing, actually. Because the randomness adds to making a new playthrough experience, where you're likely to do things differently than before, more unique.
Also if we take the logic used to decide the map to its extreme. You could have chapter splits where the game tries to counter your strategy.
Like if the map had more defensive units in the physical character variant, but more resistant units in the mage variant.
What if a map checked the averages of your armies weapon ranks, and populated its map based on that.
Hearing your voice over “It’s Nearly Dark Out” gives me genuine nostalgia bro.
Awakening and fates: marry a couple and you'll get your kids
Engage and 3 houses: have the item/unit and you can play it
Older games: ok you gotta have less than 5 characters on your team. Play the game upside on a Wednesday but you also have to sing camp town races through a trumpet or else you can't play this chapter
Basically it was bad. Getting nagi was annoying having to systematically destroy my own army to get all the side content.
Ironically awakening and fates is the least tedious since all u need to do is get an s support. The rest it’s frustrating if you accidentally forget to bring an item or unit or in the way older game forget the requirements
insert "As friend, you are...replaceable. farewell" here
@@YoshixandirMarth:(covered in blood) or "forget" to heal your army
@@aghadlarhen9397Marth in a nutshell.
Sigurds game kinda falls flat with this as the kid units and replacement ones make it less deep in part 2. They should have had the lucina treatment and just be added regardless
@@ivanbluecoolI still wonder how anyone is supposed to know about these extra levels without a guide. I mean with nils they give you a hint but it’s so vague that most people wouldn’t think to level him up since dancer and sing do not fight and essentially u waste 70 turns just for him to be lv 7 only to replace him with his sister
I remember all this. Thank God for the Players Guide!
Genuinely convinced there isn’t a single player who has ever actually played 19xx
I have :)
@@michaelk9080
Same .w.
Well if you brought the strategy guide that was popular back then it show you how to access all the hidden chapter and stuff XD
I remember getting it on accident the first time and be sooo confused. It wasn't after that first that i went searching about it
I did on my most recent run on the switch version it took me a lot of grinding lol
I think I accidentally got Geitz cuz I was testing how you can rng manipulate level ups and I was using Lyn as a test dummy. She had barely not maxed out str.
Funny thing, I've never gotten harken ever when playing fe7. Originally, I just didn't know he was a character, since I never saw him. Once I started watching fe youtubers play fe7, I realized he was a unit, but didn't know how to recruit him. Nowadays, I now how to recruit him, and acknowledge he is a better unit than karel, but just choose not to use him because karel is my guy.
I always leveled all the lords, especially Lyn and Hector, even in Eliwood's story since he couldn't promote until super late anyway, so I always got Geitz's map. I also usually got Kenneth's map because I like having the 1-2 range and most enemies have higher defense than resistance.
I played 7 a lot as a kid and I always got the Kenneth Map because I used to grind the arena and would have Pricilla or Serra promoted and Erk would be promoted as well while I focused on Raven but rarely any of the other physical units. I also always got Karel but I assumed that the character was tied to the map and honestly have always thought that. I didn't know there were different requirements to getting each character in either chapter.
I remember the Karla unlock during my final play. I was dreading the Jerme/Kenneth chapter. As I recall, you need Karel in your party
So I tried to balance using the axe and Magic units.
Nope, to recruit Karla you needed Bartre to be promoted level 5 and go to the arena in the battle preparations chapter.
@jorgito93700 okay, good. My young self was just paranoid. xD
I had a stratagy guide as a kid, so i always knew about the route changes that can be done. Those always made replaying fe7 fun IMO
I don’t want requirements like this coming back, but I think it’d be fun if they brought back requirements like Stephan’s
As someone whose first fire emblem game was fe7 this was a very fun trip down memory lane
Getting Genesis the first time is so weird, as well as recruiting Getz that only joins based on lords level. So i don't know why but i found out the lords MUST be on the map for that to work Like HOW would the player even know that?
Also i wished someone told me that defeating Kishuna in Elmwood mode didn't really mattered, wouldve saved A LOT of turns and gotten a better ranking lol
Great vid
Man you took me back to 2003 when I was 13 and got FE(7)for the GBA. So many mysteries in that game. You’re right, it was peak gaming, as though they seem arbitrary and arcane now, we didn’t have DLC in those times, especially on handhelds. Weird hidden secrets was our replay value
Yeah and because "replay value" actually meant replaying the game. Idiots nowadays think it means having more content
"3H has more replay value bc of the diff routes!" Is dumb af for example, considering the fact that thats not what replay means. Crimson Flowers have high replay value, mutually exclusive to Verdant Snow for example
@@powerfulberry237 they think DLC is “replay value” LOL.
Back in my day….
I remember this game and Yggdra Union just for the sheer insanity it took to unlock some things in these gba games. Thanks for the video.
I never even knew there was an alternate map from Kenneth because I always maxed out my magic user, specially Serra and Priscilla since they were healing everyone.
I honestly agree with you. I would like to see some of this come back.
But there is a relatively common statement in development now a days.
[If you're going to spend a lot of time and effort on content very few people are going to see. You're probably better off making content everyone will see] I'm not saying it's necessarily right. But with games becoming more detailed, requiring custom animations/variants for everything. It can be hard to justify putting so much work into something like entire maps or zones that only a few percent of players will see. Especially now that you're probably just going to look it up on Google and have it spoiled anyway.
Though I do understand, from the player's POV. Finding these hidden things can feel very special
I remember my first playthrough I got Kenneth’s map and Karel. And I just thought that’s the way the game went until I got a strategy guide later on and discovered that there was another version😂
YOOOO IM SO GLAD I SAW THIS!! I only got to use Jerme one time! and he was so cool! Also that silencer guy I never could kill him. I was in high school then tho, I wonder how my brain has matured since (probably not by much lol)
who tf is harken?
i never knew Harken existed in this game wtf. i always got Karel
also, in my first playthrough i got all the secret mission/gaiden without knowing anything about them, only when i did a 2md playthrough i realized i was missing some chapters and was confused whether they were glitched/bugged or not then looked up online to see that these gaiden missions had hidden requirements.
still cant believe i never knew the existemce of Harken until today wtf
Harken is such a good unit tho, a million times better than karel, the requirement I believe is the amount of doors that you open
@@cristobalpinochet
i always rush and levelled all 3 of my lords.
according to the video or what i understand is, you gotta get more levels in your mages/healers than fighter units, and thats probably it,
cuz i always level Luscious cuz his animation looks so slick and clean, and never use Dorcas/Bartr/Guy cuz they are kinda boring (i dont even recruit Guy he is just free xp for me) and always forget that Raven is even in my team cuz he joins so late. so i guess thats what triggers karel tbh. Luscious gets all the xp while my fighters dont get a single level
Thats crazy, I always got Harken, I learned about Karel in FEH
Harken is Isadora's fiance (And yes they do get married if you get them an A-Support) He was also the only knight that went with Elbert who survived.
@@cristobalpinochetFunny. It reminds me that picking Larum in Binding Blade lets you recruit Echidna (Another pre-promote unit who's also a Hero) while Elphin lets you recruit an older Bartre (Which is funny since he's Karel's brother-in-law)
Though I didn't put much time into Nils I actually used Ninian a lot because I was trying to max out her support with Eliwood so I managed to get her to level 15, could never beat Kishua so I never bothered trying to encounter them
What’s also funny is that this was the first Fire Emblem game released outside of Japan, so the rest of the world’s first time playing Fire Emblem was this confusing nonsense.
I’ve played through fe7 around 5 times at this point, and I have literally never gotten the Lloyd map or the Kenneth map, because I basically never use any of the magic units knowing that I’ll just eventually get pent, and lyn and hector are almost always at level cap by the time I’m at chapter 23/24
I accidently missed Harken cause I thought the Elite units were commoners, than I saw Karel show up....
This was my favorite part of fe7. I didn’t learn about some of these conditions for years. It made the game endlessly replayable
I think ive gotten Jerme’s map once in all my playthroughs. I love having a healer that can kill. What can Guy do? Suck and die? Yeah I’ll pass. Having an 8 move mobile healer who can rescue AND defend themselves is much better and worth the grinding.
This fe7 vid is so interesting and unique, this is so true, i enjoyed these hidden goodies and secrets
I love FE7's map and unit variations. I just wish the game tpok the time to acknowledge when or what requirements you reach.
I cant remember where I heard the idea, but imagine if your lords are at Lv. 50 and then when you reach Ch. 24, Eliwood or Hector comment that they think their atrong enough to take a faster route to Bern Castle taking you to the Linus version.
Or imagine if the Jerme and Kenneth versions were really different. Like Kenneth's map is made of strong magic enemies while the Jerme map has a fast Myrms and strong Heroes and Warriors to reflect the type of units you used to get there.
Ch.19xx is an asspull though lol. No one has any reason to get Nils to lv.7 unless the want to do a funny and try to cap him in Lyn mode before probably getting bored.
this made me itch to replay FE7! still have the gba cartridge i bought back then but don't have a GBA o DS.
This game's hidden requirements remind me a lot of Dynasty Warriors 4 with all the "Tales" levels you can unlock as well as all the level 10 weapons.
Would you mind sharing your emulator & shader settings? The image clarity is phenomenal
Funnily, I almost always got the Linus and Kenneth chapters when I was going up. I tended to value all the lords more than I probably should have, and I always put a lot of use into my mages. I was so confused at the Jerme variant map showing up one playthrough.
Beat this chapter in less than 7 turns using only anima mages with thunder tomes on a tuesday morning
I remember playing this game and making extensive use of the Guide. It was a massive PITA even with the official guide with maps and crap.
Did your thumbnail artist do the Lyn emote/art too? Love the art and wanted to use it too but wanted to find out first! Sorry if random.
I always used my mages way more than the physical units so always got the Kenneth map
Great video! I highkey miss these requirements, and I pray they bring them back if we get more titles in the future. The three houses combo paralogues were a nice step, but I wish there was more. Stop just giving us all these units and maps for free!
Yeah if I hadn't had my strategy guide I would have never known any of this. It's really cool stuff though, and I wouldn't mind it coming back in a more manageable form. The multi-version chapters are a sick idea all the way through!
Ok I didn't think anything could be worse than Stefans recruitments in PoR and RD lol this takes the cake!
I always got Jerme & Harken until I looked up what the difference was yeah. Still haven't managed to beat Kishuna but I will someday
Guy promoted on 16x with arena abuse and a killing edge. Minimum. And hope. Wil promoted as well helps. Must get both to level 20 then promote. That's how I do it.
This made me want to replay FE7 for the thirty millionth time, thank you for this ^_^
Watched this video while grinding up Nils. I think your point at the end about wanting to bring back secrets but maybe make them less unhinged than FE7 is a good one. Since Nils is on my mind I think the important thing is: I don't think they should be grindy. Something like whether you're using your magic users vs physical users more is a good idea though maybe the EXP requirements there will encourage too much grinding.
5:48 I never though of this as difficult, getting 10 guaranteed experience each turn means he'll level up once per 10 turns which sounds like a lot but really isn't, as most maps take 15-20 turns unless you're going of your way to beat them fight
This is the first time I knew about the Harken and Karel requirements. I always thought it was already decided based on map. Other than that, for some reason, I found fe6 conditions harder probably due to my playstyle.
The games can clarify additional map objectives in its writing, because they do that to this day. Giving a map to play through as a reward might never be something they do again, though. Unless it's some sort of map with its own specific rewards (Fell Contract comes to mind), because I don't think the intrinsic reward of getting a new chapter to play is something Nintendo's into exploring.
This was a memory buried DEEP down man. I played the hell out of this game when it first came out but I could never and I mean NEVER seem to hit the requirement to 28x and fight Sonia lol
Some of those FE7 gaiden unlock conditions felt like someone looked at Thracia Ch8x and said "let do something even more unintuitive."
For context, what are the requirements for Thracia 8x? I've never played that one.
@@jedimasterpickle3 According to fireemblemwod: You have to capture the boss before turn 15 in the previous chapter (so ch8) and have Dagdar and Tanya alive.
@@jedimasterpickle3 You have to capture the boss and hold on to him when you beat the chapter. It's the only time this is a condition for a gaiden and unlocking it would be entirely accidental. Normally when you capture and enemy, you trade off their items for yourself and release them to kill them cause holding onto them comes with stat penalties so the game conditions you to always release held enemies unless it's an obvious recruitable like Lifis. But if you release the boss, you cancel the gaiden unlock cause he has to stay alive.
If my copy of the game turn blank at some point I might had a 100% it long ago.
Getting back the hidden characters would only be a pain, yet it is nice to know that we now have information out there on how to get them but I don't think I will be starting a new playthrough just to get them back again.
It's been years since I really sat down and played FE7 but I remember these maps.
I am glad that by just playing around with the game I've manage to stumble upon these hidden chapters by accident.
Though chapter 19xx I've only remember doing it once, I only remember grinding Nils level thinking that his sister would have the same level in the next story mode.
Either way pretty sure I was grinding other units that I wanted to use in the next story run as well.
Never knew he was a requirement for that chapter.
- E22x/H23x Genesis is a map I come across in every one of my playthroughs.
I never let Pent steal that valuable Exp unless I plan to use him in my run.
3:39 Guess you never heard of sandstorms before.
If I remember correctly I think you can rescue green units, so use a flying unit to get Pent as quick as possible so that he can't go steal your kills.
The same way you can send your units to save the Caelin Soldiers so that they won't get themselves killed.
Depending on the amount of Soldiers that live they will give you a different reward by the end of the chapter.
Yeah, I’ve straight up never encountered chapter 19xx. I did know about the other two chapter splits though.
I really miss the cryptic nature of old games. Maybe that’s my old age talking, but there was a certain magic tO games that didn’t spell everything out for you
My most recent plahthrough, i forgot that killing Dart was permanent (ie he doesnt move and you recruit him automatically later if he lives) so i missed Dart and then i got the Geitz map so i missed him too 😅
Ngl, I lived for this when I first played FE7. I remember going to FEPlanet and Serenes Forest to look at the discussion and how people unlocked everything. Kind of wish the games had it again, or at least complete full longer stories. Instead of the divided yet still missing elements that we get now.
FE5 & FE6 were probably the only games with comparable unlocks.
FE5 has relatively simple unlocks for the most part (beat map fast, save civilians in the already absurdly hard Chapter 4, rescue villages). The only confusing one that I remember was 8x, although I think there might have been a hint in the dialogue about wanting to take the boss alive (I.e. capturing him).
The split map segment was extremely obvious and straightforward, even having a good tie-in to the characters of August and Dorias: August's side was slow and required subterfuge, giving you a lot more utility-based rewards like a berserk staff and Shanam. Dorias' side was difficult and out in the open, but generally gave a stronger set of recruits and gave you the only chance to buy heal staves for 10 chapters straight (by the end of August's route I actually had more psychic staves).
secrets in secrets is defenitly peak 90s-2003 gaming
What is your outro music?
Life Returns from Path of Radiance
@@markasscop thank you
I think the reason this doesn’t happen anymore is because if it did, everything would be datamined and plastered all over Reddit, TH-cam, and a couple of news sites day 1.
I really need to go back and give this series more attention. I finally gave the Three Houses game a try last year, and enjoyed it quite a bit, but never really cared for the older games, due to limited resources, like weapons breaking. I can appreciate them a bit better these days. Although, I need to really go back and finish the game that started it all for me with Tactics games, which was War Song on the Sega Genesis. I think after finally finishing that, I can go back to Fire Emblem, and give it a second go.
Gotta sell.those strategy guides baby
Wait i didnt even know there were 2 different maps for recruiting Karel or Harken
I'm playing Blaze Blade for the first time right now. Watching this is giving me Path Of Radiance flash back with how u get Stefan