@@ThePhreakass , Eric Carmen thought Rachmaninov’s music was public domain. It was, in the US. He was contacted by Rachmaninov’s estate, after “All By Myself” was released worldwide, and pays them a percentage of his earnings from the song. He never tried to hide this.
Adrian, When I was a child, my parents only listened to classical music. I had been listening to Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky every night during family dinner. In 1975, after hearing “All By Myself” on the radio, I heard the similarities between that song, and the piano concerto that inspired it. It was one of those 💡 moments.
@@beachgirl4583 Every video that showed the transition between the piece and the song got wither taken down or muted. Either him or his company don't want us to know
@@annamaklashova1595 We can't "steal" from the public domain. In my country (the USA), Rachmaninoff's concerto has been in the public domain since the 1940s. Eric Carmen wrote "All By Myself" in 1975, more than 30 years after this melody entered the public domain.
Besides “All by Myself,” Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor is also the source composition for Frank Sinatra’s hits “Full Moon and Empty Arms” and “I Think of You.” In fact, there are quite a number of popular-genre tunes that are lifted from classical compositions. For example, Mat Munro’s hit, “My Love and Devotion,” is sourced from Henryk Wieniawski’s Violin Concerto No. 2 and Tony Bennett’s “Stranger in Paradise” was sourced from Aleksandr Borodin’s “Polovtsian Dances” 9from his opera, “Prince Igor’). These tunes may be unfamiliar to you, depending upon your age. I’m 77 years old.and have long complained, but only to my closest friends, about the lack of attribution to the original composers.
"ripped off" is a bit harsh. He acknowledges he lifted Rachmaninoff, but he didn't know it wasn't in the public domain, and he had to give a writing credit to the estate.
No! He's lucky he didn't lose writing credit altogether!! LIFE of the composer PLUS 70 years is the international copyright law. How could he have not known? He knew, but got caught! I hate that he is associated in any way with the magnificent Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2, which has far more pathos in it than a Celine crybaby singalong!! All Eric Carmen did was write nice lyrics for the main motif in the concerto. Just like Francis Scott Key who on September 14, 1814, pens a poem which is later set to the music of To Anacreon in Heaven which was composed by John Stafford Smith in 1776, and in 1931 becomes America's national anthem. I'm so tired of real composers not getting the credit they deserve, right down to our national anthem. Yes, Celine, you are by yourself! UGH.
@@SouloftheTroll , That piano concerto _was_ public domain in the US when Carmen released “All By Myself”. It was not public domain outside of the US. Carmen didn’t know that. He has paid 12% of the money that song earns to Rachmaninov’s estate, ever since they contacted him. How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws? The internet didn’t exist, and he checked the US laws on public domain before he released the song.
@@beachgirl4583 "How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws?" You are still missing the larger point. Why use another's original work for yours, ever? Even if it is "public domain" it is still not original to you -- and not yours! No sense of civility or respect in this. Eric Carmen had every right and ability to go write a hit song, but he should have been shrewd enough to write his own motif and not rely on one that may or may not be in the public domain wherever or whenever! Personal example: in my second symphony I truly adore the motive I came up with, but it seemed so easy to me, so familiar that I began to panic for fear of subconsciously having reiterated something I may have heard long ago. I went to great pains to determine if it was authentic and original via various sources to determine the verdict. After a reasonable cost and a six month scrubbing of available libraries and compendiums I finally was put at ease that it was in fact mine after all. However, being very influenced by composers John Barry and S. Rachmaninov specifically, it was clear to me why my theme was so familiar in that I had adopted their ways of structuring a motive. Fortunately for me, my motive was mine, but I would never expunge Barry's or Rachmaninov's impression upon my inner ear. Plus I KNOW I am not infringing! It is always the composer's responsibility to check on ALL possible copyright possibilities. PD tunes are simply a crutch in any case. Good for Carmen and his 12% that he pays the Rachmaninov estate. But c'mon! That theme or melody is used by Rachmaninov as exposition, and developed, interpolated and inverted transitionally and terminatively all through 100% of the entire forty minute long concerto!! Just because many people cannot hear and recognize, understand or discern the musical structure in this way does not make this point moot! Such BS that people cannot see the crime in this!! Write your own!
@@SouloftheTroll , Eric Carmen acknowledged the source of inspiration (Rachmaninov) for those two songs from the beginning. Several other singers (Frank Sinatra was one) stole parts of Rachmaninov’s work, and didn’t acknowledge it. I, too, research the music that seems to come from me, to make sure I’m not hearing those notes and chord progressions from something I heard decades ago. The resources available to us were not available to Carmen. Carmen did create the lyrics. Here’s a rip-off that seems to have fallen through the cracks of copyright law: A band called Gamma wrote a song called “Voyager”. There was an image of a shark on the album cover. A few years later, a band called “Great White” released several albums with similar shark images. One of the songs they released is called “House of Broken Love”. There are some nearly identical chord progressions, clearly inspired by/stolen from Gamma’s “Voyager”. Finding and noting musical rip-offs is a hobby of mine. I’m not defending Eric Carmen, but he’s not in the same category as others who have not acknowledged the source material, like Frank Sinatra did with Rachmaninov. I’ll look for that link where a lot of singers stole from Rachmaninov. ETA the link that shows Sinatra’s rip -offs: th-cam.com/video/bcn1f49SkWA/w-d-xo.html
this is beautiful video, thanks for putting it together. when i heard about this song i thought it is a beautiful song, but now it makes sense knowing that its a rachmaninov piece, hes so great, i discovered this song only a few days ago and thought i want to learn it on piano, of course now i am so interested in the backstory if thats the word to use
he said in an interview that Rach Symphony #2 was his favorite piece of music and he put it in the "All By Myself." Good for him, for using it in a pop song.
Carmen was a classically trained pianist he ripped nothing off, he used it as a base to tell a story. He had more creative power than most of the so-called pop idles of today. RIP. Eric Carmen. Thank you for bringing classic music to the masses!
Agreed! Pop poseur is probably a more accurate description. Today’s pop is anemic tripe. Eric was a fantastic pianist. I saw The Raspberry’s on their final tour and he actually played a baby grand on stage.
Rachmaninoff would undoubtedly have liked Erik Carmen's version, as it complements his work. And it is not a 'ripped off', but a masterpiece of musical editing and the great talent of Erik Carmen ✅
Carmen never denied it (Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" was inspired by a piece by Chopin; and, the Beatles "Yesterday" inspired by Nat King Cole's "Answer Me, My Love", etc.)!
The last sound off from the great 19th century composers. It all ended in 1926 with Puccini's turandot. Britten carried it onwards but things would never be the same. Rachmaninoff is the last great composer before musicals and film scores took over.
Why call it a ripoff? The tune is borrowed from and I would say pays tribute to the beautiful Rachmaninoff concerto, which I have played. The Rach II along with maybe the Tchaikovsky No. 1 and the Beethoven Emperor Concerto (No. 5) are the world’s most beloved piano concertos.
I was watching Young musician of the year and commented that I wanted to start singing all by myself when both pianists performed Rachmaninoff. You can't help but notice it!
"Rip off" is a little harsh. For one at the time he thought it was in the public domain, second it's a beautiful interpretation of the song. He agreed to pay 12% of the royalties for use of the elements of the song. It also brought listeners to seek out the original song which brought even more value to it. RIP off? Pfft
It's not a rip-of. Art inspires art. It's always been like this. Nobody becomes an artist in isolation of previous art. Two great pieces of music in their own rights.
Eric Carmen was responsible for me discovering Rachmaninoff. I’d never heard of that many of the great composers and he absolutely spoke about his love of classical music.
Rach got co writing credit and his family received the profits. An agreement was reached in which the estate would receive 12 percent of the royalties from "All by Myself" as well as from "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again", which was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff's Symphony No. 2.[
All By Myself... theme by Eric Carmen (late 1975), inspired by the music of Sergei Rachmanilov (1901)... covered in the 80s by Luis Miguel and in the 90s by Celine Dion... a true masterpiece that unfortunately did not receive the award which it deserved at the time… a case similar to its sister song Nobody does it better (1977), composed by Marvin Hamlisch and sung by Carly Simon, who could not win the Oscar in 1978…. Covered by many artists such as Sophie Ellix Bector and Kim Wilde….even by Celine Dion herself in Las Vegas…Injustices also occur in music….
It's not rip off. He loves the classic, esp rachmaninoff. He used him as, inspiration, gave his music a new update spin.added meaningful emotional lyrics to interpret the melody. I'm sure Rachmaninoff did not sing "when I was young, I never needed anyone"
It’s not called rip off. If you read the background and story of how that song was made, you can clearly see it says “ Eric Carmen, was INSPIRED by Sergei Rachmaninof’s Concerto No.2 In. Cminor” I wouldn’t call it a “rip off” it’s more of an inspiration to a musician
Its past inspiration, it is a copy and therefore a ripoff, if you knew anything about the history of it you would know he had to settle for a plagiarism lawsuit, he thought it was already public domain as its really old but it wasnt, so the Rachmaninoff estate recieves royalties off of this. if it was just inspiration he wouldnt have had to make a settlement for the royalties.
Some think "How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws?" That lifting is somehow okay. They are still missing the larger point. Why use another's original work for yours, ever? Even if it is "public domain" it is still not original to you -- and not yours! No sense of civility or respect in this. Eric Carmen had every right and ability to go write a hit song, but he should have been shrewd enough to write his own motif and not rely on one that may or may not be in the public domain wherever or whenever! Personal example: in my second symphony I truly adore the motive I came up with, but it seemed so easy to me, so familiar that I began to panic for fear of subconsciously having reiterated something I may have heard long ago. I went to great pains to determine if it was authentic and original via various sources to determine the verdict. After a reasonable cost and a six month scrubbing of available libraries and compendiums I finally was put at ease that it was in fact mine after all. However, being very influenced by composers John Barry and S. Rachmaninov specifically, it was clear to me why my theme was so familiar in that I had adopted their ways of structuring a motive. Fortunately for me, my motive was mine, but I would never expunge Barry's or Rachmaninov's impression upon my inner ear. Plus I KNOW I am not infringing! It is always the composer's responsibility to check on ALL possible copyright possibilities. PD tunes are simply a crutch in any case. Good for Carmen and his 12% that he pays the Rachmaninov estate. But c'mon! That theme or melody is used by Rachmaninov as exposition, and developed, interpolated and inverted transitionally and terminatively all through 100% of the entire forty minute long concerto!! Just because many people cannot hear and recognize, understand or discern the musical structure in this way does not make this point moot! Such BS that people cannot see the crime in this!! Write your own!
Rachmaninoff's estate shares copyright with this song. Clapton incorrectly thought that Rachmaninoff's works had fallen into the public domain. Yes, he stole from this song. No, he didn't think he was doing anything wrong. And, yes, he made good on it.
Yes, any songwriters would know that it's not public domain until 70 years after the death of the original composer, which means someone could NOW write a song inspired by the piece and not have to give credit (or money) to either Rach' or Carmen! 😉
Most (all?) music ultimately comes from someone else. Themes are themes, and have been around in one form or another for millennia. We only know about the "Rachmani-ripoff" because of the state of music publishing 100 years ago.
I mean yes it is greatly inspired by rachmanninoff but it is still a great song because he covered it by his own way. It is like Liszt with covering and reworking many works of Bach that were for organ into piano.
If you are wondering if this is just a one off 'mistake' by Eric Carmen listen to the third movement of Rachmaninoff's Second Symphony.. Carmen was a serial plagiarist, a ripper off of entire melodies and their chordal accompaniment.....Here....th-cam.com/video/59cLZSkkjPA/w-d-xo.html
This was public domain in the U.S. and when he found out that it wasn't in the other parts of the world, he paid a percentage of the royalties to the composer's estate. Probably more money than they ever made off that music.
@@myblessedfriends He stole the music. Put his name on it as the composer. TWICE. Then he went into all the excuses and wiggling out of it after he was called on it. If he had been honest the song credits on the album, from the very start would have read Lyrics, Carmen. Melody, Rachmaninioff and he would have paid the appropriate royalties beforehand. But he tried to pull a fast one.
Absolute rip off! Did he pay Rachmaninoff family and foundation MILLIONS of dollars since benefiting from this theft? I don't think so. Did he ask for permission to use this piece of music? I don't think so. Absolute talantless thief! That is how he'll be remembered forever
When I first heard this song I immediately recognized it as Rachmaninoff. The lyrics added are so common, uninspired that the song he "created" is insulting and offensive. Love Rachmaninoff, hate what he did to it. I'll credit this. If you steal you should steal from the best.
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And look what sampling does, thanks to mister Carmen, I was introduced to the delights of Rachmaninoff.
Well in all fairness it wasnt for him, because Eric didnt credit him, It was because of the creator of this video.
Yeah, but Carmen tries to hide the fact he sampled it so he ripped it off.
@@ThePhreakass , Eric Carmen thought Rachmaninov’s music was public domain. It was, in the US. He was contacted by Rachmaninov’s estate, after “All By Myself” was released worldwide, and pays them a percentage of his earnings from the song. He never tried to hide this.
Adrian,
When I was a child, my parents only listened to classical music. I had been listening to Rachmaninov and Tchaikovsky every night during family dinner.
In 1975, after hearing “All By Myself” on the radio, I heard the similarities between that song, and the piano concerto that inspired it. It was one of those 💡 moments.
@@beachgirl4583 Every video that showed the transition between the piece and the song got wither taken down or muted. Either him or his company don't want us to know
Carmen has always credited the man. It's not a ripoff.
@Julián Díaz Becerra If you consider him sitting down with the estate to work out a fair contract a "demand."
“Credited” … After paying $$$$ to Rakhmaninov grandkids for stealing this melody …. And after legal proceedings!
Rachincarmen at his Best
@@annamaklashova1595 We can't "steal" from the public domain. In my country (the USA), Rachmaninoff's concerto has been in the public domain since the 1940s. Eric Carmen wrote "All By Myself" in 1975, more than 30 years after this melody entered the public domain.
@@bramlintrent1145 Rachmaninoff wasn't even dead in 1940😂😂😂
Rachmaninov is up in heaven smiling and is NOT ALL BY HIMSELF. BRAVO!
And now Eric Carmen is too unfortunately
Besides “All by Myself,” Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor is also the source composition for Frank Sinatra’s hits “Full Moon and Empty Arms” and “I Think of You.” In fact, there are quite a number of popular-genre tunes that are lifted from classical compositions. For example, Mat Munro’s hit, “My Love and Devotion,” is sourced from Henryk Wieniawski’s Violin Concerto No. 2 and Tony Bennett’s “Stranger in Paradise” was sourced from Aleksandr Borodin’s “Polovtsian Dances” 9from his opera, “Prince Igor’). These tunes may be unfamiliar to you, depending upon your age. I’m 77 years old.and have long complained, but only to my closest friends, about the lack of attribution to the original composers.
Rachmaninoff is credited for All By Myself
@@DJDrinks This is only after the lawsuit and people dont want to see that
Chopin was a continual source of material for keyboardist Ray Manzarek, the Doors.
A composer's answer: th-cam.com/video/XepJPxPMdN4/w-d-xo.html
A lot of Genesis Pink Floyd Beatles ELP or ELO are inspired in classic classical music wow
"ripped off" is a bit harsh. He acknowledges he lifted Rachmaninoff, but he didn't know it wasn't in the public domain, and he had to give a writing credit to the estate.
No! He's lucky he didn't lose writing credit altogether!! LIFE of the composer PLUS 70 years is the international copyright law. How could he have not known? He knew, but got caught! I hate that he is associated in any way with the magnificent Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #2, which has far more pathos in it than a Celine crybaby singalong!! All Eric Carmen did was write nice lyrics for the main motif in the concerto. Just like Francis Scott Key who on September 14, 1814, pens a poem which is later set to the music of To Anacreon in Heaven which was composed by John Stafford Smith in 1776, and in 1931 becomes America's national anthem. I'm so tired of real composers not getting the credit they deserve, right down to our national anthem. Yes, Celine, you are by yourself! UGH.
@@SouloftheTroll ,
That piano concerto _was_ public domain in the US when Carmen released “All By Myself”.
It was not public domain outside of the US.
Carmen didn’t know that. He has paid 12% of the money that song earns to Rachmaninov’s estate, ever since they contacted him.
How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws? The internet didn’t exist, and he checked the US laws on public domain before he released the song.
@@beachgirl4583 "How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws?" You are still missing the larger point. Why use another's original work for yours, ever? Even if it is "public domain" it is still not original to you -- and not yours! No sense of civility or respect in this. Eric Carmen had every right and ability to go write a hit song, but he should have been shrewd enough to write his own motif and not rely on one that may or may not be in the public domain wherever or whenever! Personal example: in my second symphony I truly adore the motive I came up with, but it seemed so easy to me, so familiar that I began to panic for fear of subconsciously having reiterated something I may have heard long ago. I went to great pains to determine if it was authentic and original via various sources to determine the verdict. After a reasonable cost and a six month scrubbing of available libraries and compendiums I finally was put at ease that it was in fact mine after all. However, being very influenced by composers John Barry and S. Rachmaninov specifically, it was clear to me why my theme was so familiar in that I had adopted their ways of structuring a motive. Fortunately for me, my motive was mine, but I would never expunge Barry's or Rachmaninov's impression upon my inner ear. Plus I KNOW I am not infringing! It is always the composer's responsibility to check on ALL possible copyright possibilities. PD tunes are simply a crutch in any case. Good for Carmen and his 12% that he pays the Rachmaninov estate. But c'mon! That theme or melody is used by Rachmaninov as exposition, and developed, interpolated and inverted transitionally and terminatively all through 100% of the entire forty minute long concerto!! Just because many people cannot hear and recognize, understand or discern the musical structure in this way does not make this point moot! Such BS that people cannot see the crime in this!! Write your own!
@@SouloftheTroll ,
Eric Carmen acknowledged the source of inspiration (Rachmaninov) for those two songs from the beginning.
Several other singers (Frank Sinatra was one) stole parts of Rachmaninov’s work, and didn’t acknowledge it.
I, too, research the music that seems to come from me, to make sure I’m not hearing those notes and chord progressions from something I heard decades ago. The resources available to us were not available to Carmen.
Carmen did create the lyrics.
Here’s a rip-off that seems to have fallen through the cracks of copyright law:
A band called Gamma wrote a song called “Voyager”. There was an image of a shark on the album cover.
A few years later, a band called “Great White” released several albums with similar shark images. One of the songs they released is called “House of Broken Love”. There are some nearly identical chord progressions, clearly inspired by/stolen from Gamma’s “Voyager”.
Finding and noting musical rip-offs is a hobby of mine.
I’m not defending Eric Carmen, but he’s not in the same category as others who have not acknowledged the source material, like Frank Sinatra did with Rachmaninov.
I’ll look for that link where a lot of singers stole from Rachmaninov.
ETA the link that shows Sinatra’s rip -offs:
th-cam.com/video/bcn1f49SkWA/w-d-xo.html
@@SouloftheTroll ,
This one is not a rip-off. It’s simply a beautiful performance of the piece.
th-cam.com/video/rEGOihjqO9w/w-d-xo.html
this is beautiful video, thanks for putting it together. when i heard about this song i thought it is a beautiful song, but now it makes sense knowing that its a rachmaninov piece, hes so great, i discovered this song only a few days ago and thought i want to learn it on piano, of course now i am so interested in the backstory if thats the word to use
he said in an interview that Rach Symphony #2 was his favorite piece of music and he put it in the "All By Myself." Good for him, for using it in a pop song.
Eric had a beautiful voice 😍
Carmen was a classically trained pianist he ripped nothing off, he used it as a base to tell a story. He had more creative power than most of the so-called pop idles of today. RIP. Eric Carmen. Thank you for bringing classic music to the masses!
Agreed! Pop poseur is probably a more accurate description. Today’s pop is anemic tripe. Eric was a fantastic pianist. I saw The Raspberry’s on their final tour and he actually played a baby grand on stage.
R. I. P. Eric Carmen.
Rachmaninoff would undoubtedly have liked Erik Carmen's version, as it complements his work.
And it is not a 'ripped off', but a masterpiece of musical editing and the great talent of Erik Carmen ✅
Made the baby boomers like me pay attention to his music. Thanks Eric.
Give Carmen his due credit he came up with the chorus. That’s the song’s big hook.
He didn't "rip him off" -- it was obvious to everyone that he used part of Rach's melody. Carmen credited it from the very beginning.
Carmen never denied it (Barry Manilow's "Could It Be Magic" was inspired by a piece by Chopin; and, the Beatles "Yesterday" inspired by Nat King Cole's "Answer Me, My Love", etc.)!
You are flying in rice crispies. He couldn't deny it, he was sued for it.
"No other Love" by Jo Stafford was also "ripped off" from another classical concerto.
You weren't really "All by yourself", Eric-Rachmaninoff was right there with you!
The last sound off from the great 19th century composers. It all ended in 1926 with Puccini's turandot. Britten carried it onwards but things would never be the same. Rachmaninoff is the last great composer before musicals and film scores took over.
100% agree!!
What about Ravel e.g.?
For the impatient, you can skip to min 1:40
and also 0:39 1:10, haha
Why call it a ripoff? The tune is borrowed from and I would say pays tribute to the beautiful Rachmaninoff concerto, which I have played. The Rach II along with maybe the Tchaikovsky No. 1 and the Beethoven Emperor Concerto (No. 5) are the world’s most beloved piano concertos.
Not a rip off at all. He was given the rights by Rachmaninov’s estate and gave him credit. It was a tribute
He wasn't the given the rights, he had to pay because he broke the rights
" Never gonna fall in love again" another Rachmaninoff tune... A chancer but got caught.
I'm happy if some songs make us interested in classic music❤
So well mixed. Amazing.
I was watching Young musician of the year and commented that I wanted to start singing all by myself when both pianists performed Rachmaninoff. You can't help but notice it!
Eric said Rachmaninoff got this melody from a friend and another of his hits from an organ grinder.
It’s a wonderful reimagining of this piece of music into a sing xo
Brilliant work I must say.
Рахманинов велик и прекрасен! И это будет всегда! Эрик Кармен, спасибо за любовь и талант!
"Rip off" is a little harsh. For one at the time he thought it was in the public domain, second it's a beautiful interpretation of the song. He agreed to pay 12% of the royalties for use of the elements of the song. It also brought listeners to seek out the original song which brought even more value to it. RIP off? Pfft
I accidentally heard piano concerto no 2 and instantly asked myself am i hallucinating
RIP ERIC CARMEN
If he'd never mentioned this publicly, he'd have easily gotten away with it.
Pretty sure the Rachmaninoff estate made him pay royalties. Rachmaninoff is too popular for him to get away with it
@@mrburns366 ,
He pays the Rachmaninov estate 18% of his royalties from “All By Myself”.
Nah. I easily found it. And professionals would be way better than me
It's not a rip-of. Art inspires art. It's always been like this.
Nobody becomes an artist in isolation of previous art.
Two great pieces of music in their own rights.
It’s far beyond inspiration, it’s completely copied
I knew it sounded familiar
Eric Carmen was responsible for me discovering Rachmaninoff. I’d never heard of that many of the great composers and he absolutely spoke about his love of classical music.
"Rip-off" like this is just brilliant.
❤❤R.I.P Eric Rachmaninoff 🙏⚘️🙏⚘️Brilliant human being
he didn't rip him off. Rachmaninoff is given proper writing credit.
he did. Was a trial. He lost and now Rachmaninoff family gets % of every bit of income from that song.
Rach got co writing credit and his family received the profits. An agreement was reached in which the estate would receive 12 percent of the royalties from "All by Myself" as well as from "Never Gonna Fall in Love Again", which was based on the third movement from Rachmaninoff's Symphony No. 2.[
All By Myself... theme by Eric Carmen (late 1975), inspired by the music of Sergei Rachmanilov (1901)... covered in the 80s by Luis Miguel and in the 90s by Celine Dion... a true masterpiece that unfortunately did not receive the award which it deserved at the time… a case similar to its sister song Nobody does it better (1977), composed by Marvin Hamlisch and sung by Carly Simon, who could not win the Oscar in 1978…. Covered by many artists such as Sophie Ellix Bector and Kim Wilde….even by Celine Dion herself in Las Vegas…Injustices also occur in music….
It's not rip off. He loves the classic, esp rachmaninoff. He used him as, inspiration, gave his music a new update spin.added meaningful emotional lyrics to interpret the melody. I'm sure Rachmaninoff did not sing "when I was young, I never needed anyone"
Comme c'est joli🥰
I've listened to Chopin Sonata No.2 in B flat minor nd in some pieces it sounds exactly the same as rachmaninoff. Have anyone else noticed that?
It amazes me how so many songs sound alike considering all the musical notes there are...oh wait.
Not only that...there's George Costanza on the cello.
Carmen has always maintained that Rachmaninov was his favorite composer and a couple of his songs were influenced by him. To say ripped off is false.
It’s not called rip off. If you read the background and story of how that song was made, you can clearly see it says “ Eric Carmen, was INSPIRED by Sergei Rachmaninof’s Concerto No.2 In. Cminor” I wouldn’t call it a “rip off” it’s more of an inspiration to a musician
Its past inspiration, it is a copy and therefore a ripoff, if you knew anything about the history of it you would know he had to settle for a plagiarism lawsuit, he thought it was already public domain as its really old but it wasnt, so the Rachmaninoff estate recieves royalties off of this. if it was just inspiration he wouldnt have had to make a settlement for the royalties.
After his inspiration he gave a lot of many for Rachmaninoff's family.
Decision by judgment
It’s a theme based on.
Tanti artisti si sono ispirati al genio di Rachmaninoff! Non infieriamo su Eric Carmen!!
The lyrics made it relatable to the audience thus made it sellable. I wonder how many millions Celine Dion made?
It wasn’t ‘ripped off’ secretly. It was understood to be a homage.
Some think "How can you fault him for not knowing international copyright laws?" That lifting is somehow okay. They are still missing the larger point. Why use another's original work for yours, ever? Even if it is "public domain" it is still not original to you -- and not yours! No sense of civility or respect in this. Eric Carmen had every right and ability to go write a hit song, but he should have been shrewd enough to write his own motif and not rely on one that may or may not be in the public domain wherever or whenever! Personal example: in my second symphony I truly adore the motive I came up with, but it seemed so easy to me, so familiar that I began to panic for fear of subconsciously having reiterated something I may have heard long ago. I went to great pains to determine if it was authentic and original via various sources to determine the verdict. After a reasonable cost and a six month scrubbing of available libraries and compendiums I finally was put at ease that it was in fact mine after all. However, being very influenced by composers John Barry and S. Rachmaninov specifically, it was clear to me why my theme was so familiar in that I had adopted their ways of structuring a motive. Fortunately for me, my motive was mine, but I would never expunge Barry's or Rachmaninov's impression upon my inner ear. Plus I KNOW I am not infringing! It is always the composer's responsibility to check on ALL possible copyright possibilities. PD tunes are simply a crutch in any case. Good for Carmen and his 12% that he pays the Rachmaninov estate. But c'mon! That theme or melody is used by Rachmaninov as exposition, and developed, interpolated and inverted transitionally and terminatively all through 100% of the entire forty minute long concerto!! Just because many people cannot hear and recognize, understand or discern the musical structure in this way does not make this point moot! Such BS that people cannot see the crime in this!! Write your own!
Но песня все равно прекрасна!
Rachmaninoff's estate shares copyright with this song. Clapton incorrectly thought that Rachmaninoff's works had fallen into the public domain. Yes, he stole from this song. No, he didn't think he was doing anything wrong. And, yes, he made good on it.
acoow, Clapton?
@@captainamerica9353 the plot thickens
That flautist looks like an older version of that goofy southerner from 30 rock
Yes, any songwriters would know that it's not public domain until 70 years after the death of the original composer, which means someone could NOW write a song inspired by the piece and not have to give credit (or money) to either Rach' or Carmen! 😉
Rachmaninoff has been in the public domain in my country (USA) since the 1940s. Not in Europe of course, but in America, it has been.
But still, both are masterpieces
How if one is a copy?
Io la definirei una citazione...ma lo doveva dichiarare...al tempo.. evidentemente ..non era un problema..😊
Most (all?) music ultimately comes from someone else. Themes are themes, and have been around in one form or another for millennia. We only know about the "Rachmani-ripoff" because of the state of music publishing 100 years ago.
Yes!! Thank you !! So many artists use music from the past and anyway they played Eric’s song OVERTOP of this and it DID NOT MATCH UP EXACT!!
I too became interested in Rachmaninoff because of Eric Carmen whose family also were Russian.
Life on Mars?
ironic lady diana loved this the rachmaninoff version wonder if she knew eric got it from him
And today Eric Carmen probably is playing close to Mr Rachmaninov!😮😊👍🏼
Honest mistake. Paid the estate royalties.
rip to all thieves
Given his ethnicity it is a generousity or madness. I can`t tell which.
How many kids were born because of/after this song …
je ne savais pas ...
He didn’t rip him off, he literally gave him credit
To be fair did he ever claim to have written the music? "Rip off" suggests dishonesty
He did not give credit until after the lawsuit
Lol even if he did rip it off it’s not a big deal. How are we supposed create new music if we can’t use the great music that came before us?
I mean yes it is greatly inspired by rachmanninoff but it is still a great song because he covered it by his own way. It is like Liszt with covering and reworking many works of Bach that were for organ into piano.
If you are wondering if this is just a one off 'mistake' by Eric Carmen listen to the third movement of Rachmaninoff's Second Symphony.. Carmen was a serial plagiarist, a ripper off of entire melodies and their chordal accompaniment.....Here....th-cam.com/video/59cLZSkkjPA/w-d-xo.html
This was public domain in the U.S. and when he found out that it wasn't in the other parts of the world, he paid a percentage of the royalties to the composer's estate. Probably more money than they ever made off that music.
@@myblessedfriends He stole the music. Put his name on it as the composer. TWICE. Then he went into all the excuses and wiggling out of it after he was called on it. If he had been honest the song credits on the album, from the very start would have read Lyrics, Carmen. Melody, Rachmaninioff and he would have paid the appropriate royalties beforehand. But he tried to pull a fast one.
Rip-off? Hard to be sure. Sometimes I feel so insecure.
The guys dead and ripping off happens all the time in music. So close thy mouth
It's not a ripoff when there's a full unfiltered minute of the piano part of that concert
ripped off??? 🤣🤨
It's a rip off to call it a rip off.
I feel like I'm going insane. They don't even sound similar to me
Absolute rip off! Did he pay Rachmaninoff family and foundation MILLIONS of dollars since benefiting from this theft? I don't think so. Did he ask for permission to use this piece of music? I don't think so. Absolute talantless thief! That is how he'll be remembered forever
Ow
When I first heard this song I immediately recognized it as Rachmaninoff. The lyrics added are so common, uninspired that the song he "created" is insulting and offensive. Love Rachmaninoff, hate what he did to it. I'll credit this. If you steal you should steal from the best.
One man's pissed is another man's pleasure. I thought it was a lovely way to incorporate it into the song.
Well, duh!!! This is hardly news.
Yeah you knew because you are a karen.