LAX CONTROLLER GETS MAD AT AMERICAN PILOT!
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Pay attention to charts and ground signs and paintings. That escalated quickly...
@xcfmx agreed, if pilot would've just acknowledged mistake, then i don't think ATC wouldn't have barked back. American pilot was an ass
Captain Happy at the controls
whos right!!! hahaja
Both of them are idiots. Pilot got immature and controller continued it.
@@jbals8420 hardly, that AA first officer was scary stupid or at least very confused. He virtually read back the instruction correctly, recollected it correctly, but didn’t do it.
Can you imagine having an ATC controller as a parent? Child 2, eat peas, hold short of cookies.
Oh boy it would be good...
Child 2, what are you doing? "I'm eating cookies, I'm doing what you told me to do!" What did I tell you to do? "Hold short of cookies."
I dunno, I might try this with my 4yo son.
Possible child deviation. I have a number for you to call. 😂
That was so good. Still laughing 😂🤣😂🤣😂 🙏🙏🙏
NO I didnt eat the cookie you did!
“Would have hold short of Q if that’s what you told us!”
“What did I give you?”
“… hold short of Q…” 😂
This exchange was so satisfying lol
The pilot didn't seem to get the irony of what he was saying...
It was like hearing a kid admiting he was in the wrong 😂
What a dingus... reading it back two times and still playing up the alpha male when told off -.-
I was going to leave this exact comment but you beat me to it😂😂
That the controller got through that without using the word "dumbass" is a credit to his training, professionalism, and temper.
I agree, completely. Had that been me, I would have pulled out my military bearing and said, " listen here dipshit, you effed up and you did it wrong. If you insist on being a douchebqg, I have a number for you to write down, for possible pilot deviation. would you care to write it down, or would you rather agree you messed up and would like to continue on with your day?"
Oh there alot being said behind the mic being keyed up, you can count on that
If i was that controller and the pilot doubled down on his mistake like that, i would've given him a number to call lol
He just didn't say it on frequency.
*"a credit to his training, professionalism, and temper."* Whoa there, tiger. Hit the brakes. It's called BEING AN ADULT and we're all capable of it. He didn't do anything he was trained to, he didn't act outside the scope of his work or take any special actions, he just behaved like a grown man should, in control of his emotions. It's not any more complicated than that. Sounds like you want to pin a medal on the guy's chest for just being a grown up. Pump the brakes, pal.
All that pilot had to do was say that he misunderstood his instructions.... Instead of trying to place blame on the controller.
exactly. We airline types goof up taxi instructions all the time, that's why the controller is so relaxed about it. It's for one reason only this made it to YT.. the PILOT lol.
Yup, but his ego didn't allow him to say so.
Even if it was the controller's fault there's nothing arguing about it was going to change at that point. If he'd just taken the new instruction and moved on everyone would have forgotten about it immediately but here we are
Yep, but his Alpha-type and possibly narcissist mentally unstable personality with emotional issues, does not allow to admit mistakes or misunderstandings. He must know everything, be right every time, and be in control of the situation even when wrong with witnesses.
I wonder what the other guy in the cockpit was doing, was he being yelled at by this guy too?
Pilot probably working some extra time to pay for both ex-wives and his current.
Seriously, both sides of the mic make mistakes and it’s the verbal response that either cools or boils the situation.
The controller was sincere when he asked “What instructions did I give you?”. It has happened to me more than a few times throughout my career that I gave what I thought was the correct instruction, only to find out (after pulling the tapes) that I said something else. But man, when the pilot came back and said with a tone of indignation “Hold short of Quebec”, I almost spat my soup out. 🤣
And the really sad thing is that AA58 even READ BACK the "Hold Short of Q". Uhg. That really deserved a "When you have a chance, I have a number for you to copy." Glad to hear the other pilots being nice to the ATC.
It was obvious to me that tower thought he had made a booboo and gave the Q short of 24R
@@dcviper985 , tower was correct, pilot was wrong. No runway was mentioned, just hold short of Quebec, which he clearly didn’t do.
I think the initial read back at :21 seconds was the pilot saying “Hotel, Hotel TO Quebec” instead of “Hotel, hold short Quebec.” I listened to it several times and I’m leaning towards him reading back in error “Hotel to Quebec” but I’m not 100% sure.
Then proceeds to say "you messed up" lol
I like the subtle approach of the next 3 planes atc talks to. They are all super nice to the controller- it's saying: yeah, you got that right.
Yes I noticed that too.
Yep. That's the sort of subtle thing you notice when you've been at it for a few years. Every one of them was saying "good luck with that guy".
@@MCMXI1 You could hear in his voice that he felt supported.
Not really, as a pilot we almost all say Good bye, Good day, See ya! or some other phrase when switching frequencies
Nah that’s pretty standard.
The arrogance by the pilot is astounding. He realized he was wrong when the controller asked him what the last instruction was, and he replied ‘hold short of Q’ you could tell by the tone of his voice but even realizing he was wrong he wasn’t going to admit it. That is a dangerous type of pilot
This type has been responsible for many deaths😤
yeaa true, the pilot sounds so denial
Imagine what it would be like, sharing a flight deck with him if you're a junior officer!
@@rayjennings3637 ive been there many times
Yeah I would not like to be flying in his fuselage
Controller was more annoyed than angry; still kept his cool though and kept on with his job, despite the AA pilot's childish attitude.
I mean, to be blunt, the controller had every right to be annoyed, but "Did you want us to go to the end" was a chance to deescalate and ATC responding with "Now that you messed up the last instruction..." wasn't that. It was deserved and fair, but it wasn't professional.
@@henryptung Exactly. Deescalation is the only professional approach. The pilots screwed up but a correction to get things moving is all that is required, not insults.
@@henryptung you're right but the pilot was certainly more in the wrong here since he started blaming the controller and didn't admit the mistake even after it was very clear he had made it.
I agree with the pilot. Tower told him "taxi H, hold short of taxiway Q." Without prepositions, Tower really means taxi ON H and hold short BEFORE Q, pilot hears it as taxi on H and hold short AT Q thinking he's suppose to turn at Q. If you look at the chart there are lines for both positions. Saying "hold short of taxiway Q" doesn't sound like hold at the line on H but rather hold at the line on Q which he did.
Really is bad airport design. Why would anyone hold on H in the middle of another taxiway? Logically the line should be placed before Q to avoid any confusion. But everyone thinks the pilot is wrong and agrees with ATC.
@@rabbit251 that doesn't really seem to make sense, isn't it always going to be short of x? You don't go on the runway if you're told to hold short of it
The emphasis of the other pilots on their "good night" - the polite way of saying "sorry for that other one we're not all like that". Loved it.
😘good night😘❤️you too
A word of advice to you operators on the common frequency. Controllers do not need you to back them up. They normally make their own judgement based on the total nature of the incident. As the operator of another aircraft in the area you have limited knowledge about incidents occurring with other aircraft, you also do not pay as close attention to instructions, as if they were issued to your aircraft. Stay off the frequency with the tidbits of agreement or descension. I defer to controllers even if they make errors or did not clearly issue instructions because although we are both busy bees. having to convert each intention into words is a little more labor intensive than raising a flap handle or turning on the landing lights.
@@TH-cam.TOM.A I suspect that’s why it is kept between the lines and not overt. You can hear it if you want to or just treat it as random politeness if you prefer.
@@justins8802 yes but the implications are obvious. I have apologized to ATC after a heated exchange. we are human and will have those moments.
Came for that comment
I've never heard a more non-sensical response from a pilot that made a mistake. He was just contradicting himself and confusing himself and the controller. "You told us to hold short of Q so we didn't." LMAO
"gaslighting" - I'm sure he's a real pleasure to have as a friend or partner.
Sounds like US politics for the last 6 years.
NO U DID
Yeah the pilot was totally embarrassed and couldn't handle the situation he needs to reboot.
Does this interaction get the pilot a reprimand?
After decades of law enforcement radio traffic I have learned it’s smarter to hold your tongue in these matters when you think you’re correct than to be made a fool of with an audience.
Been an airline pilot for decades and I have learned that same lesson. Sometimes the controllers mess up and sometimes we mess up. Best not to get into a pissing contest.
i've had the power of hearing for decades and i've also learned lessons
@lawdogg1digr :
Not as big an "audience" with military grade encryption!
👍👍 Dispatchers are your lifeline and tell you where to go. Same with ATC…respect the other side of the mic
@@cj9667 True, gotta be a team player and expand your team.
"Doesn't look like short of Q to me"
You can tell he just wants to go home after a long night 😂
I detected a real Dad-vibe from him
That part reminds me of Kennedy Steve
@@spacewolfjr : And based on "let's try to get this one right," I assume he's got at least one teenager
1:50 “have a great night”…”you too man”. The ATC is rubbing salt in the AA pilot’s wounds by showing he can be a good guy to the United pilot 😂
Kudos to the ATC for suppressing his ego and not arguing on frequency. He had every reason to go full JFK on the pilot but kept it professional, making the pilot look like a fool.
"full JFK" lol
I’m telling you the other pilot was saying - dude. Shut up.
Hahaha that pilot made a fool out of himself LOL 😂 after admitting he messed up he still blames the controller lol. That guy just doesn't know when to shut up. I can't imagine the atmosphere in the cockpit for the rest of the flight
@@julienbrouillard5446 yeah it's not like the pilot needed any help making himself look stupid. But the controller definitely helped by just ignoring his whining. Gave him time and space to really think about what he'd said.
There are sometimes reasons for errors. possibly by the time the instructions were given, and the pilots consulted the plan view of the airport, they were past the point where you can see the taxiway markers. a little embarrassment a little defensiveness, and we are all back to normal. I have missed taxiways markers, sometimes lighting is inop, or i am late finding it on the map.
“Now that you messed up the last instruction let’s try to get this one right” the absolute sass 😂
American Pilot: "we would have held short of Q if you told us to, but you said hold short of Q so that's your fault"
The AA pilot was completely in the wrong and got indigent. What a clown.
Just remember, Bozo may be taking you to grandmas house in the future.
Indignant.
@@softy8088 If he keeps this up, he'll be indigent too!
the pilot got "indignant" not 'indigent'. If the pilot were indigent he'd most likely be homeless, living on the street without a penny to his name. Indignant means the pilot got 'mouthy'.
@@imbwildrd3693 "Indigent" has a number of meanings. Here at the Public Trustee's office, "indigent" means the person is living payday to payday (or pension day to pension day) and doesn't have any savings, real estate or other safety net. Basically it means "we have to bury this guy on the public dime because neither he nor anyone else in his life has the wherewithal to bury him." Most indigent people - like, upwards of 90% - are not homeless; they're mainly the disabled, unmarried or widowed elderly, minimum wage workers, escapees from abuse, etc.
You'd be surprised how many are on private pensions or annuities - enough to live on, not enough to thrive on. We see hundreds every year.
All over the world, ATC are amazing people.
Especially the ones that aren't English speaking by birth, and are able to understand this madness.
U sure about that🤔
I loved the way the Controller held his ground ! Bravo sir 👍
Not Bravo, short of Quebec *sigh*
@@malarkyIRE Ok! to the Bravo! Air China 981!
What I find funniest of all is that the pilot read back the instructions _correctly_ and _still_ didn't execute them.
That's _quite_ a feat, to hear something right, say it right, and then _still_ do it wrong!
It is pretty easy to do.
He reads it back correctly *twice*: once after the instruction and once when the controller asks “what did I give you?” And still he doesn’t realize he’s not doing what was asked.
Its fairly easy to do if you are rushing and not really comprehending what you are saying
He read back "Hotel, Hotel to Quebec".
@@taylornate2 I listened to it a few times to try and catch what you heard but I'm still hearing "Hotel, hold short of Quebec" on the first readback and at 0:57 it's very clearly "Hold short of Quebec." Reading back instructions from Ground and then executing them incorrectly isn't all that unusual - especially with bad weather, bad signage, or both.
Lol. That ATC handled it like a UPT Instructor pilot.
"What did he say?"
"Hold short of Q."
"Okay, where are we now?"
"On Q."
"..."
Us military pilots need a special kind of instruction when pointing out our mistakes because first of all we don't make any mistakes. /sarcasm.
I found this part of the exchange really funny!
Apparently the pilot shortage has forced AA to hire children.
That comment wins 🥇. 😅
XD
That happened a long time before the shortage😂😂😂
It's that they hired devils after purging the children of GOD with the vaccine mandate.
A little humility goes as long way in aviation and in life.
This is the kind of lesson that teaches humility to those that don't already have it. (having your tapes wind up on TH-cam and ending up being proven completely wrong)
I knew there had to be a reason why such a brilliant, devastatingly handsome, and all-around outstanding specimen of the species as myself isn't running the world. Humility, you say? I'll have to look that up. I'm sure I must have it by the bucketfull.
@@hamletksquid2702 :
😁😁😁😁
They are American Airlines pilots. What humility do you want?
In life, it goes everywhere.. because all GOD asks is for us not to be assholes...
and when you are, just apologize and move on.
And lots of the other pilots wish a good/great night/evening for the ATCO in a subtle show of support.
(I think AA58 had a misunderstanding between the captain and first officer.)
Good CRM with a two pilot crew will have the captain read back the ATC instructions in the flight deck and maybe even jot them down on their scratch paper or mark their efb ground chart. I have been asked to copy "a number" and ask for a supervisor to pull the tapes. It can save embarrassment and a little additional training to maintain safety is a good thing.
@@AzimuthAviation I agree. I think the PM (pilot monitoring) read back corectly, but the PF (pilot flying) didn't confirm the same and acted differently due to wrong habits or distractions. Hard to say this without listening to the QAR/CVR after the completion of the flight. This is a little bit of a disadvantage for the flight crews you know :) In the ATC facility that I visited, there was a piece of equipment, that stored the sound samples for up to the 20 latest instructions on the frequency. So with a quick push of these buttons, the ATCO's could immediately re-play and verify their own understanding of what was being said on the frequency recently. Obviously this ATCO didn't need this, but the pilots of AA58 would have been better off having such functionality before starting an agitated discussion....
Reminds me of the Lincoln quote, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”.
@Kimberly Woodbury I looked up that quote online and it appears the attribution ranges from the Bible, Abe Lincoln, Mark Twain, Confucius, and now I’m guessing this pilot’s boss. 🤣
Lol at the American pilot getting caught in a lie and still trying to pin blame on the controller. I bet he didn’t even realize his slip up 😂😂
He probably did, but arrogant airhead logic dictates his mistake is someone else's fault and saying otherwise is a direct attack against him.
@@FiltyIncognito Also sounds like my wife
@@FiltyIncognito :
Perhaps he [pilot] doesn't realize that the entire conversation is being recorded?!?!
Or, maybe, just like the ATC's instructions, he "forgot"?!?!
Typical American Airlines scumbag.
@@K7DFA Saying that an American Airline pilot doesn't realize that the whole conversation is being recorded, was hardly worth the effort of getting off the pot.
The pilot is thinking "hold short [of 25R] AT Quebec" rather than "hold short of Quebec". Holding short of a crossing taxiway when you are dealing with a nearby runway, and you're trying to GET to a runway can mess with your brain. The pilot is saying one thing, but is visualizing another. The controller should have said, "the instruction was to hold short OF Quebec, which you have read back now, twice, but you are ON quebec short of 25R." That would've woken up the pilot who couldn't get past his own expectation bias. This is perfect case study in human factors, imo.
My thoughts as well. Very strong expectation bias, even his own words couldn't get through to his brain. Fatigue, arrogance and/or stupidity could also be factors :)
I think you have it spot on. Blaming the pilot or ATC is not the way forward.
@@paulmoir4452 WHY would anyone blame ATC? He did say it right, and he hasn't got time to try to get into the mind of each and every pilot. "Hold short of taxiway Quebec, this frequency"- Not his fault the American was only listening with half an ear, and then doubled down instead of saying, "my bad" My point here is: The ATC got agitated, yes, but I feel with a little justification. The pilot made a mistake, and through arrogance, made it worse! That attitude was a part of this whole problem. Had the pilot simply said "I think I heard it differently tower. Where do you need me now?" this would never had made video.
The patience of this ATC is astounding. I would have parked him somewhere outfield for a cool down.
Disagree, ATC gave very clear instructions at the very beginning. "Taxi H, HOLD SHORT of Q, this frequency". Pilot got all three major pieces of information , where he is and what he needs to do, plus frequency. Instead they almost got onto an active runway, which definitely would have been a phone number to copy later. These guys have thousands of taxis done over the years and they know the drill, perhaps routine got them as they were used to what they actually committed to taxi from a few repeated times before. But if you are unsure of something, or get something new and don't understand it, request to say again, consult taxi chart, ask your copilot and if you mess up, don't argue, correct and debrief later. 10,000 hours or 1000 hours, talking and actively listening to ATC is still the same.
This pilot can't really recognize his mistake, a VERY, VERY dangerous thing.
Edit: I'm sure he is a good pilot, but sometimes we get caught in our own minds and forget to see the whole picture. Would be awesome if a friend could help us out on these situations and help us realize our own mistakes.
If he's this indignant over a relatively minor thing, I'd hate to think how he's gonna react when shit is actually on the line.
I can almost guarantee the pilot is visualizing "hold short of 25R at Quebec" instead of "hold short of Quebec."
You don't have to be sure he's a good pilot. Good pilots would not behave so childishly with ATC even after making the same initial mistake.
@@cjbprime we are judging a man's whole career after analyzing one single event. He was completely out of it in this specific moment, but let's be honest, we all did something completely backwards at some point in time.
Yeah. It's hard not to think of the big ego pilots of the past who have paid dearly for their overconfidence. Unfortunately, they also often made others pay as well, like the KLM captain in the Tenerife accident.
Damn! Nailed by ATC!
"What did I give you?" Perfect response. Save the lashing until he admits his f-up!
what an arrogant piece of work that pilot is!! Love to hate his kind!! I heard the controller very loud and clear!! hats off to the controller for calling him on it!! Bravo
I heard the pilot's readback loud and clear too.....apparently he didn't hear himself
"ATC: What did I give you?" .. AA "hold short of Q" .. ATC: "and where are you now? Doesn't look like hold short of Quebec to me" ... i'm dead.
When you've committed too far and don't want to admit you're wrong...
I love how the controller handled that 😄
He did what Sun Tzu would've done - allow the other person to self-contradict while an audience (other pilots) heard the whole thing to unfold.
I was hoping to hear "I've got a phone number for you to copy when ready" XD
Man, don't ever wish that on anyone.
"Number is 880..."
I'm impressed at the professionalism of that controller!
All the other pilots "have a good evening" - bet they are really wanting to say: "you were clearly correct that American pilot is a dick"
I would have been very tempted to have said "Possible pilot deviation, let me know when you have a moment to copy down the number to call..."
I hope they pulled the tapes, about the error and the belligerent manner in which the pilots responded, and complained to the pilot's boss.
It’s a sad world that we live in when the professionalism of a professional is an anomaly and not an expectation.
Yikes. Even I understood this Controller’s instruction. See, just goes to show that even us non-pilots have learned a lot by subscribing to Victor’s channel. Go VASAviation! (in the most literal and respectful way!❤️)
Pilot heard it, even repeated back correctly prior to proceeding though
@@Daywalker_27 AND repeated it AFTER proceeding through, when tower asked "what did I give you before?" 0:47
@VeteranPilot • Cool your jets, VP. No one is claiming to know more than you.
@@Daywalker_27 Pilot read back "Hotel, Hotel to Quebec".
@@taylornate2 0:53
Video needs a new title: Pilot gets mad after making mistake
Correction: Pilot gets childish after making mistake.
How about this:
Pilot throws tantrum after properly reading back/failing to follow instructions!
VASaviation often takes the side of the pilot because he tried to become one
I know this controller's voice, I listen to him sometimes. Never heard him be anything but professional and I don't think he got mad either, just annoyed. And rightfully so, that was clearly on the crew. "Hold short of Q" "We would've done it if you told us to"... He literally did.
As ridiculous as the pilot sounds, I would bet $50 he's saying "...of Quebec" when he's really visualizing it as holding short of 25R AT Quebec, due to an expectation bias that he was going to either cross the runway, or, at worst, hold just short of the runway.
He even read it back correctly, so I am extra confused.
@@coma13794 giving the hold short point that way isn’t really IAW the rules (not that it stops anyone). This is why people should stick to 7110 phraseology.
But I agree, pilot legit probably thought ATC meant short of the runway at Q.
@@nitehawk86 Yes the readback was correct but the pilot still insisted that ATC told him something else. I can see a combination of stress and disorientation causing that but then you apologize and not insist that ATC was wrong when you even read it back that way.
Legend has it that American 58 is till holding at B17, just short of runway 25R.
😂😂😂
The pilot is right. The controller underestimated the pilot's stupidity.
You underestimate my pooweeeeeeer
it's not stupidity, it's really just plain old male arrogance.
@@imbwildrd3693 ive heard plenty of females be arrogant as well so......
Or the pilot was having an cognitive issue and genuinely didn’t connect the dots that he had not followed the instruction.
@@imbwildrd3693 im assuming you're projecting, because you can't be serious
Y’all don’t know how much respect I got for these guys. I’m in class right now for Navy atc and it’s crazy how perfect we need to be.
This is how you turn a "Be more careful next time" to "Be ready I'm giving you a number to call"
I feel that the controller was ready to admit a possible mistake when he was asking the pilot to read back their previous instruction. But in the end it just proved the controller right.
What I heard in the controller's voice was that he was hoping the pilot would realize his error. I did not hear him ready to admit he made a mistake.
I think he wanted the pilot to repeat it, so the pilot would see the mistake.
Why the hell would the controller admit a possible mistake....he didn't make one.....AND THE PILOT READ BACK HOLD SHORT OF Q.
@@Taylexwow Are you the American pilot? What I actually said was "I feel that the controller was READY to admit a POSSIBLE mistake". In other words it seemed that the controller was leaving the possibility open that an incorrect instruction was given (of course we know that wasn't the case. ATC doesn't have a captioned video in front of them). If the pilot responded with the instructions of where he went, the controller might have let it go and possibly listen to the tapes later. My point is that ATC wasn't being confrontational.
I'm sure he knew he was right after saying the exact same instructions to planes all shift long. Most airplanes were getting the exact routing to cross 25R. He wanted AAL to realize himself
Notice how the other pilots indirctly expressed their sympathy, support and gratitude to the Ground controller after the exchange with the arrogant and idiotic pilot -- they went out of their way by emphasizing "[You] have a great/good [rest of your day]!". They not only inferred their sympathy, they inferred their disdain to the presumptuous pilot...
Who knew that "Have a nice day!" could be so powerful?!?
As a side, although it might have been a small overreach, a "possible deviation" report should have been filed on the merit of the pilot's actions alone. I have not looked at the chart yet, but I'm willing to bet that, that specific Q intersection is a "High Incident" (i.e., Hot Spot / HS) area. If it is, then a report should have definitely been filed.
In short, the controller acted professionally, whereas the pilot was a jerk. There's no excuse for his behavior.
Kudos for keeping your cool, LAX Ground!
In this case, "Have a nice day/ night" is the aviation version of, "oh bless his/ her heart."
Noticed that as well.
As an aside, " as an aside" is the phrase you are looking for. :-)
implied, not inferred
@@tspencer227 And in cases where the pilot is right and the controller is wrong, we could go with: "Let's go tower/center/applicable, see ya!" (Since we have to indirectly show support to the pilot as we're not talking to them but instead always with the controller)
@@tspencer227 Actually it's C U Next Time.... :D
He literally missunderstod everything including the question of what instruction he think he receieved. Imagine being so bold and so wrong at the same time.
I recognize this controller's voice. He's professional and to the point. He read that pilot right back into the attitude he threw out.
I once heard a great aviation joke in my early pilot training days, "Airline pilots are immensely emotional individuals capable of effective communication, understanding, and deep relationships. Those relationships rarely involve anyone else."
And of course,, what's it like dating an airline pilot.. After the first two hours of talking about me... He says.. Let's talk about flying. Jejeje
"How do you know there's a pilot in the room?"
He will tell you.
I'm not a pilot, but that describes me to a tee.
The pilot even correctly read it back to the controller, still screwed up, and still blamed it on the controller 🤦♂️
No he didn't. Ignore the subtitles and actually listen.
@@taylornate2 he definitely said HOTEL, hold short of QUEBEC
Showing humility and admitting when you're wrong is a tremendous skill. Unfortunately this pilot thinks he's better off without it.
Ego of some pilots is amazing. If your wrong realize it and then admit it and move on.
Normally, it's the 1st Officer, but depends on who flew and who handled communications, so can't really blame the pilot.
"Sorry, my bad"... the three hardest words in the world to say.
Tells you what you wanted him to do then doesn't do it? Magical!!
The AT controller was very professional and ignored the AA pilot’s last remark. Good on him to not waste time going back and forth with the pilot.
The rest of the pilots made the situation perfectly clear 🙂
"No, I didn't mess it up, you did!" lol -- sounds like my kids
Never be 100% certain that the other person is wrong. Just be gracious and continue with your life.
Very immature responses from the pilot. Loved the controller's quick and calm interactions with Cpt. Plonker!! 🤣
I'm amazed the controller didn't give the pilot a number to call for that.
In this case the pilot will be RECEIVING the call (from his chief pilot) now that VAS Aviation has published this.
1:25 LOL! NO YOU!!!! omg. This had me cracking up.
"oh I'm sorry sir, i misunderstood the instructions, i apologize, proceeding to the end on H"... There you go
I'm surprised that the ATC didn't insist on ppd and the need to copy a number...
I mean after the AA annoyed response.
Still nice to hear that he kept traffic flowing, a real pro.
The pilot knew he messed up. May be paperwork came after.
Tower even said Hold Short of “Taxiway” Quebec, not 7L or 25R goofball. tower controller was too nice…
Yeah, I went back to check that. Hold short Q could have mean hold short of runway ON Q. But he is very clear, hold short OF TAXIWAY Q. Pilot even reads it back that way, hold short OF Q.
EPIC! The ground version of "No one clears you through the Bravo but Me..."
👍👍💪👌👌😂😂😂😂
"I told you to hold short of quebec"
"We would have done that if you told us to"
"What was my last instruction?"
"To hold short of quebec"
It's amazing how professional the controller remained while the pilot made a complete, unprofessional fool of himself.
That AA pilot is clearly full of themselves. Definitely hope I never get a pilot that arrogant and cock sure of themself - that's only going to lead to mistakes like this, or worse.
"An arrogant pilot...?" LMAO! 34 years in Commercial Aviation Maintenance, and I'll assure you the odds are not in your favor!!!
So thankful all ended well and ATC did an awesome job keeping everyone safe. Amazing professionals.
Seems like pilot confused taxiway with runway.
Good thing he was not taking off!
Imagine if the passengers were listening to this. They would’ve freaked out 😂😂
The kitchen is always in the back out of sight
Phew, that was a couple of tense seconds. I was slightly worried there that the conversation could escalate even more.
I read the title as “lax” controller and was like “thats not a job you can be lax at!”
LOL, when did American Airline hired the guy who busted Bravo airspace over Las Vegas??🤣🤣
AAL58 copy a number, pilot deviation.
What part of "Hold short of Quebec" sounded like "Turn right on Quebec" ?
You dont know your way around Montreal?
Sounds like it may have been a misunderstanding of “hold short of Q” vs “hold short (of the runway) ‘on’ Q” if those pilots were used to turning right onto Q it might have been a little confirmation bias.
Totally agreed - but ATC actually adds hold short of TAXIWAY Q - so making that clear, and pilot reads back "of" as well.
@@randominternet5586 pilot read back "Hotel, Hotel to Quebec".
Impressed the ATC just dropped it and moved on.
The difference between “of” and “at”. Controller said “hold short of Q”, Pilot heard “hold short at Q”.
That means the same thing.
But no runway number was given (nor read back), so it still wouldn't make sense. They can't tell you to hold short of a runway without using the words "runway" plus the runway number.
That may be what he heard in his brain, but it still shouldn't have made sense.. Holding short "at" Quebec would put them holding short of a runway. Runway hold short instructions (or cross instructions) *always* contain the runway identifier, and readback is *always* supposed to contain the runway identifier. The pilots just simply weren't paying attention, and confirmation bias took over -- they had their expected taxi route, and that's what the executed, regardless of what the controller said.
HAHAH that pilot got roasted. Love it.
"Doh"!
Sounds more like JFK than LAX...
The clash of egos never ends. Don't these guys realize that the safety of the passengers is more important than who is at fault for a misunderstood instruction.
The things we dont hear between tower and aircrafts. Tough job being an air traffic controller. thanks for the video
1:15 that is ridiculous on the pilot's side. If you have recognized your mistake(that silence says much) why keep pushing things later 1:27?
If I were that pilot, I would have attempted to save some face by saying something like "Sorry, my mistake. It's been a long day and yesterday I came home and found my wife in bed with the family dog. I hope you'll excuse my error."
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I take it the dog was getting more "attention" from the wife than he was????
Oh my god that pilot is such a child! "No I didn't, YOU did nyaaaa!"
I like how the controller gave the pilot the benefit of the doubt by asking what instruction he issued and was an absolute gentleman until the pilot put his mouth.
I was expecting something like "possible pilot deviation, note down this number..."
Pilot: Makes mistake.
Pilot: Yells at ATC for his own mistake.
ATC fixed pilots mistake and is pretty reasonable about it.
VASA: ATC GETS MAD.
Agree, controller was cool as a cucumber. Correct title: American Pilot Gets Mad at LAX Controller!
"To err is human, to forgive divine" :)
Well, he wasn't happy about it, that's for sure. But this channel is pretty notorious for the ALL CAPS click-bait titles. At least he didn't use a stronger word like "furious", "outraged", "livid" etc.
@@falcon759 unfortunately, I agree with you on that point. But fortunately, the click bait is about the only issue I have with this channel.
I’m not sure if this is an asset or a liability, but my default reaction to a challenge like this from ATC is (internally, in my mind) “Oh, Geez….where did I f$&@ up? Oh, man, I hope this isn’t serious.” For some pilots, their initial reaction is “No way I could have screwed this up. It HAS to be ATC’s fault….not mine.”
Self confidence and self assuredness is good….until it becomes hubris.
I know nothing of aviation and I've been watching this channel for a month now. I'm surprised the pilot didn't get a phone number.
I am amazed at how many pilots can't get this instruction correct. Clearly they are under the impression that "hold short of Q" means "hold short of the runway ON Q", when they are two different clearances. This type of confusion happens surprisingly often.
I'm thinking it's because the pilot was expecting to be given a rwy crossing instruction, or at worst, he'd hold short of the rwy at Quebec. So, when he was issued "hold short of quebec," he compared it to the "hold short at quebec" that was already fallback plan, and his mind made it work. I know that's a lot of guessing on my part, but it's the only logical explanation that would give an airline pilot this much confidence while still clearly screwing up.
"I didn't screw up, you did."
mmm that aged like milk.
I think the AA Chief Pilot is going to have some words with his pilot.
Good professionalism maintained by the controller there. I can't imagine the words he would've use on that pilot but inside he would be saying "what an absolute idiot"
thanks for still making vids!
I'm a pilot myself and am struggling to understand AA's childish reaction. Perhaps he misunderstood "Hold Short OF" and instead thought to "Hold Short ON" instead? Bad form, American. Bad form.
How do you hold short of something you're on? Dude didn't have an excuse.
@@jaredjones5307 - Agreed. Like I mentioned I'm struggling to understand his thought process, let alone his petulant reaction.
Just speculating here, but maybe the pilot interprets “hold short” instructions as meaning runway vs “stop short” instructions as meaning taxiway. Confirmation bias could have caused him to interpret “hold short at Quebec” as “hold short runway 25R at Quebec”. It might explain the right turn towards the runway hold short line. Not condoning what happened but watch it again with that in mind.
I do appreciate your speculation as it indicates that you like to see the good in people. I would however have to disagree with your optimistic reasoning. That is the reason standard terminology is used so there is no confusion. The instruction/clearance was On Hotel hold short of Quebec remain on this frequency. The Quebec hold short line was missed. He and in particular the PF should have asked to confirm if in any doubt of the instruction. Obviously the PF was also not doing his/her job showing a multitude of errors. Poor SA, I would assume not following SOPs, and not listening or requesting a confirmation. Aviation tries to reduce the concept of speculation especially with communication. That’s how incidents/accidents happen.
You’re 100% with regard to confirmation bias…. That’s another reason for two independent thinking crew members actively listening. We’ve all made mistakes thru either fatigue, or other Human factors but a real man and a good crew member will admit a mistake and try and learn from it. Not double down and show the world what a mediocre pilot and person he is….
I'm presuming that in his head the pilot interpreted something like "Hotel, turn on Quebec, short of the runway", and then executed that instead of what he meant to.
You can hear it in the other pilots' voices: "I'm so sorry...."
My experience would say that the pilot is probably ex-military, where the ATC are enlisted and pilots are officers. Some, but not most, get used to feeling superior and act arrogantly. This controller was having none of that. Good for him.
Of course it had to be an American Airlines pilot. I've been around a while but I've never seen an airline generally turn into a dumpster fire so fast as American has.
Would you care to elaborate on that comment? Perhaps explain what you THINK you're talkin about?
@@LJ-gn2un Sorry but he's right.
LOL The pilot even reads back "hold short of Q".
"No, I didn't mess that up, you did!" hahaha that reminded me of Peewee Herman "I know you are but what am I?"