SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
@@burakevran9823 Daenerys_ i eant to rule kingslandings but first kill all civilians and destroy whole city, so what? If there is no functioning city and people to run civil services i will rule the ruins__ Daenerys shitborn
And Cersei's death was poetic, as she stood where Tywin and Robert's band buried the Targaryen legacy with the dragon skulls then took housing on the very building Targaryen's built. Jaime always wanted to die with the woman she loved most, and he led Cersei to that place, where he got what he wanted and she got what she deserved. Tyrion is the last lannister that remains.
Call me crazy if you want to, I kinda felt bad for cersei and Jaime in this episode. Didn't expected them to die this way. kudos to D&D. They just made a template on how to ruin character arcs
On one hand there are jaime and Tyrion, brothers who love each other the most and on the other hand sandor and Gregor, brothers who hate each other the most !
SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
It was fear that broke her!! (A post from Reddit) The Mad Queen descent was rushed, but I've seen a lot of people all over the Internet make fun of the bells and at Daenerys' mind breaking at the point of surrender but it made sense and was set up earlier in the episode. Season 1 to 7 showed up a Daenerys that rose from the very lowest of lows to the height of power. In Season 1 and 2, we see Daenerys realize that without power, no one will respect her or take her claim seriously. She’s told repeatedly that she’s nothing without an army, and she’s nothing without ships. She gains those. We cheer for her. When Daenerys leaves Essos, she thinks she can rule through compassion and be loved by the people once she gets rid of Cersei. She had her armies. She had dragons. She had powerful allies in Westeros. She had the strongest claim to the throne and finally had the chance to take King’s Landing. Season 7 and Season 8 was about losing that power. First, her powerful allies are stripped away one by one. Olenna, Elliria, Yara. Tyrion mismanages them as Hand of the Queen and makes horrible tactical mistakes. In S08E01, Daenerys realizes she doesn’t have the love of the people. In Essos, she broke their chains and earned their devotion and became their Mysha. She freed them from their oppressive masters and they were grateful to her and made her their queen. In the North, Sansa and Jon had already broken their chains. They defeated Ramsay. Sansa and Jon, as Starks, have earned their loyalty for a lifetime. Daenerys is faced with a smallfolk - her subjects - that don’t love her. It’s a harsh realization for her. In S08E02, she loses her claim. Jon tells her his true identity, and suddenly she’s not the only Targaryen in the world. Even moreso, Jon’s claim is stronger. He’s a natural leader. She’s immediately threatened by his confession, and is shaken by it. In S08E03, she loses Jorah. He was there for her since the beginning. He was devoted to her not because of her power, not because of her dragons, but because he loved her. He never would’ve betrayed her and she trusted him fully. He’s essentially been her rock through all her hardship. And then he dies protecting her. In S08E04, she loses her second child, and Missandei. One by one, everyone she held close that was devoted to her and her alone was taken from her. Her dragons were a symbol of her power; with only one left, she was beginning to get desperate. Her only advisor from Essos was Grey Worm, and he was a soldier. In S08E05, she loses Varys, Tyrion, and Jon. Through betrayal, no less. Jon betrays her by telling Sansa, and Sansa tells Tyrion, who tells Varys. Varys openly conspires against her and (presumably) tries to poison her and turn Jon against her. She kills him without a trial, without asking for his last words, and without a second thought. At that point, she’s on the brink. And Jon goes to her, and she seeks one last bit of comfort from him. She tells him that people love him, and that’s something she’ll never have. ”Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.” He counters by saying that he loves her, and that she’ll always be his queen. But when they kiss, Daenerys realizes that he’ll never truly love her again. And so, she says: "Alright then. Let it be fear" When the bells ring, Daenerys realizes that while the city has surrendered she’ll never be secure as queen as long as the people don’t truly, irrevocably fear her. She will never be loved by them. She has lost everything she has gained and every friend she’s made, and she’s completely alone. King’s Landing becomes a symbol of everything she’s ever been through - her brother selling her like a brood mare, Drogo's death, being ridiculed and laughed at from Pentos to Slaver's Bay to Mereen, being threatened at every turn, losing her dragons, losing her loved ones. She’s on her dragon, she’s alone, she feels powerless, and she’s angry. So what does she do when feels powerless? She reminds them all that she is still powerful. The people will never love her, so they will fear her.
@@hijack69 Well it invokes fear among the rest of Kingdoms...Dany clearly stated that she has found no love in westeroes and she is only seen as a danger and a threat even after all the decisions and bloody sacrifices she had to make for them....Jon hesitating to show her Love was the final nail in the coffin...and when she stood there on the roof top upon her Dragon....Liberating the small folks of King's landing from Cersei also being the crux of it..who uses people has hostages as a Military Strength...All she could hear was Scream all across the Streets, Screams of Fear and Panic, begging Cersie to Ring the Bells...this is when she realises that she can never garner Love from them ...and she chooses the path of Fear with Fire and Blood...Making a statement to the rest of the realm. Now they know that she has the power to waste their Cities to dust within a day...As quoted by Robert Baratheon, the most realistic and intelligent Charecter when it came to War Strategies : "Do you think it's Honour that's keeping the peace? It's fear Ned, fear and blood!" An example of Fear overpowering Honour in the world of Westeroes is The Northerners resisting to help Jon and Sansa when they call their banners to help retake Winterfell against Ramsey Bolton. They Refused the Call!
so jon what will you do now? can you still fulfill your oaths and your duties? can you serve your queen AND protect your family? we had jamie the kingslayer and now we have jon the....?
Jaime was fatally stabbed, and was bleeding out. He was going to die anyway. Euron said he killed Jaime Lannister. I hope Jaime gets his page in the Knight book
As a book reader honestly I'm not really that surprised that danny turns into the mad queen..it was always her advisors that kept her at bay. Luv your reaction hope to see other tv series reactions in future;)
I'm not a book reader and I'm not surprised at all; like a lot of other people, surely. We have all thought about the definitive fall of Daenerys, but we never thought (at least not in my case) that the creators of GoT would dare to do so, and moreover, in such a brutal way.
basically if you want to know why danny did this think of it like this she believes all her advisors betrayed her even the man she loves betrayed her in her eyes and she just lost her son and best friend and then her advisor tells her when she hears bell they surrendered yet how can you trust what he says after everything he’s done in the end another way to see this is watch the people cheering ned’s beheading then watch this
Dany`s advisors died like flies, also losing her 2nd dragon did not help at all. Betrayal all over the place, realizing your love has a better claim to the iron throne. Realizing the people of Westeros like Jon more than Dany. It all sums up, that not even the bells of surrender could stop her.
Testrun strike this is why this wasn’t out of character for her she was just having a lot of bad days when she was used to praise here in westeros she’s hated
At first she was the breaker of chains because she empathized with them, having been almost a slave herself. But once she became Khaleesi and progressed, she freed people for their love and adolation. In Mereen, when she didn't receive that, she was confused and distraught, and eventually dumped it into Daario's hands. She doesn't LOVE people, she LOVES being loved and being held up. It's not about how they feel, it's how they make HER feel. That's where she got it wrong. And once she felt alone and unloved in Westeros, she lost all the love for them. The Unsullied and Dothraki are still her people, only because they follow her unquestioning.
@@Salonikhandelwal17 You need to rewatch the early seasons when Jon saves Mormont when a undead attack him in castle black he slams a lantern on it and burns his hand, so not a dragon like Dany's brother...
Well this was a show of power, they need to be crazy to try to kill her.. unless its jhon cause ether the drogo wont kill him or the fire wont work on jhon
@@mikehoot3978 And again the protection allegation of breaking the wheel. Establishing a monarchistic dictatorship does not constitute breaking the wheel.
The part with Jaime was among the worst (the Tyrion/Jaime scene was heartwarming but after that, nah).... The redemption arc, watching him develop as a character, only to watch him just go down like that? And wtf is Euron doing showing up at the secret entrance at the exact moment Jaime got there? After getting blasted off a ship he ENDED UP THERE?! "Ai fucced za kween" dumbass fight.😂
A targareyn alone in the world..it's a terrible thing - Master Aemon Targaryen.. The deaths of her 2 dragons, Jorah and Missandei alongside with the sense of insecurity from Jon's, Tyrion's and Varys' end pushed her to the edge, which she took out on the Red Keep. Interestingly, her makeup in the scene with Tyrion almost resembles to that of the Mad King in the "Burn'em all" scene. Cleganebowl ended up with the Hound taking the Mountain to the fire this time. Any views on Who's next??
@Indie and Osbscure **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
Jacob Daniel Bran as a King ....well ... it's same as no King at all. He will be just creeping with those crows😂 watching everyone. " I saw you that night you were beautiful"..😂😂
Why is it that everyone is so surprised that Daenerys was going to burn the city street by street? She's the daughter of the Mad fooking King? You really expected her to be merciful to the people who fear her? Those peasants were nothing like the slaves in Essos, where you can just kill their leaders and be treated like some destined savior. She's nothing but another tyrant to them. This isn't out of character for her, this is just her showing her true face.
I think you are watching different show.. Throughout whole show they are showing Danny is kind hearted.. Oly ther was a slight hint Tat she is capable of mad queen.. But Wt made her snap in this particular episode though.. Y kill everyone after evryone surrender.. y can't she kill from the start? Instead of decimating red keep first.. y killing ppl first.. I say its poor writing.. With no logic.. No one surprised abt she being mad queen. But not showing wt snapped her is just lazy writing..
Well, we always knew she would follow her fathers footsteps, but the Mad king had a series of events that made him insecure and that lead to him becoming mad. Daenerys was all good until now, the mad queen arc is too rushed, which is also justified since they have like a really short season
I just don't care what happens in the end. One fact that I don't think anyone can dispute, is that this season is amazing to watch. Effects, cinematography, soundtrack, acting, all done to perfection. It feels like no holds barred, go crazy, sucker punch me, horrify me, hell yes I'm entertained! I'll let the armchair critics have at it by themselves. It seems to make them happy. (not directed at this reaction video- y'all weren't being critical, you just seemed in shock. So was I. )
Plus, Missandei was just a small part of a much more accumulative build. At this point in the story Dany is in the city that was ruled by her family until they were destroyed by Twyin's sack of the city, she's lost Jorah, Olenna, Ellaria, and Barristan, she doesn't trust Tyrion, Varys betrayed her, she feels Jon is betraying her, she lost 2 of her dragons for a country that doesn't appreciate her, all the people are celebrating Jon and not her, her Dothraki and Unsullied were decimated in the Battle of Winterfell, and she's completely rejected as a lover by Jon Snow. What does she have left? Grey Worm and Yara on the Iron Islands? She rages against a country that she feels owes her everything and has given her nothing.
I enjoyed your reaction and commentary. I'll rant a bit about the episode though: The reason you guys don't understand why Daenerys killed all the civilians after she won the city is because... it actually makes no sense ☹ It was OOC despite what her haters say. She was never developed as a mad character. She was developed as flawed human like basically every character in GOT (even Jon, who cut off Janos Slynt's head even though the man cried and begged). She has been inflexible about being respected and recognized as queen. She's been tough. But NEVER mad or cruel. The fact that people mention killing the witch or the Qarth sorcerers or the slavers as if it foreshadowed nastiness is utter bullshit. She only ever killed murderers and people who attacked her. Then suddenly she is a mass murderer... AFTER her victory. The writers didn't set this up properly and that was on purpose, they wanted the shock value of seeing her turn bloodthirsty all of a sudden. Other characters have done really harsh things (to put it mildly) like Sansa feeding Ramsay to his dogs and enjoying the spectacle... no one called her mad. Now let's imagine if Daenerys had done even to an evil character like Ramsay... all her haters would be screaming "proof she's mad!"... Yes you're right after the bells she should have burnt the Keep maybe even the soldiers who surrendered. It would have been wrong but logical, it would have put her character in a morally greyer zone than before. She could have decided that she was ready to kill the civilians of the keep just to get to Cersei. That can still make sense with her character and what she went through recently. But having her burn the streets on the other side of the city makes no sense. It's manichean writing for the sake of shock value. It saddens me to watch this episode again as it's really GOT dying and character development being thrown out of the window. They butchered Jaime's character. They dared give him a line saying that he never really care for the people of KL. Fuck you D & D. They are literally retconning the character and his past. They are erasing the major bath scene in Harrenhal where he reveals he killed the Mad King to prevent the mass murder of the civilians in KL. It's like they didn't know what to do with his character anymore. The writing is horrendous, there is no point excusing it anymore. Last week in the episode commentary the showrunners/writers said "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet that's why she got attacked". This is lazy, inconsistent writing. I can forgive it when it's only about technicalities in battles but I cannot forgive it when they ruin arcs and characters. It's now obvious they're unable to provide quality material without material from the books.
About Jaimie saying that he never cared about the people of KingsLanding : He said that because he didn't have any connection to the people. He saved them because it was the right thing to do. Same with Tyrion, he saved the city but during his trial he said he would love to see them burn because he realised that they were mostly selfish hypocrites. However still he wouldn't kill them all for his Queen. He doesn't care for them but knows killing isn't the right thing to do. Something near these lines
Arun Singla LMAO just stop the double standards. You blame her for killing the witch who murdered her husband and baby but it's not different from Arya slitting the throat of Walder Frey yet no one had a problem with that. *She only ever killed murderers and people who attacked her* The Qarth sorcerers put her in chains, her maidservant stole her dragons for money and was ok with what the sorcerers planned yet somehow it was cruel of her to kill them 😂 The list goes on and on. People like you never blame Arya for COOKING TWO PEOPLE IN A PIE, you never blame Sansa for enjoying watching a man being eaten alive by his dogs, you never blame Ned for cutting the head of a poor guy running for his life just because it's "the law" so he blindly applies it (in the pilot), you never blame Robb for stupidly killing Lord Karstark, ETC ETC ETC. Every character is flawed in GOT because they're humans and even the good guys have done some questionable things yet Daenerys haters only focus on her and act as if the "good guys" hadn't killed many people themselves.
Sameer Khan You're trying to find a logical explanation to justify the shitty writing. Tyrion had been betrayed by his lover and was very angry when he made the speech. He didn't mean it. The writing is full of inconsistencies. The writers themselves justified the ambush in episode 4 by saying "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet". They're full of shit and cannot provide the depth Martin's material had. What they did with Jaime's character is just that: inconsistent characterization.
@@AriaIsara I agree with all the shitty writing except for Jaimie. He went North to fight for a cause he believed in. After that war was over what do you expect him to do? Eat cherries while they kill his unborn child?
The thing about madness is no one can understand the why of their actions except the person going mad. I've seen a lot of people saying they can't understand why Dany would do what she did but that's an impossible thing to grasp even in the real world. You can point to the things that have happened to her and they probably had some cause but ultimately it's exactly what is portrayed. Madness. Great review/discussion at the end guys. One of the better ones I've seen.
Arya definitely has a strong moral code; she is certainly Ned Stark's daughter. She shunned her assassin training because she realized she couldn't kill people without a good reason. I think a lot of this episode and the battle of winterfell episode was for her to come full circle and realize what death and destruction truly is and for her to find out that she no longer wants to be consumed by it. And I think the reason we don't see Dany's face after she starts the attack is to give viewers the sense of what it would be like to be on the receiving end of a bombing; the person doing it is faceless to you, just as you are to them from so high up. It's a dehumanizing experience. btw, just found your guys' TH-cam channel finally randomly looking at Game of Thrones videos! See you at dinner again sometime!
Why do people struggle with why Dany burned the city, I mean its been foreshadowed since Season 1 and she literally said previously to Jon Snow its you or its fire and he declined her and so guess what happened. I mean its all there, please watch the episodes. Also she is a Targaryan and its a coin toss as to whether they are sane or insane and throughout the whole show people around her, people she loved or respected have guided her and stopped her worst excesses and one by one they have all been removed, all the supports that stopped her until finally the last one, Jon Snow was gone and noone was left to stop her. Its simple yet so many people are crying that it came out of nowhere, do these people actually watch the show?
Dany's last emotional support was John so his rejection was when she felt she could never be loved, especially the way the people love him. If she can't hold power by the people's love, then she would have to rule through fear.
Dany turning mad is always hinted and as her house of undying dream came true now and also GRRM said both ending will be same only secondry character will be different in book 😒
I knew that she was going to destroy the Red keep no matter what, but she didn't go directly to the castle where Cersei was, she destroys the city for half the episode wich is what doesn't makes any sense, and I hope there's a reason why she did that. Even something stupid like: oh, that? Well I guess I just don't want to reign over people that fears me that much to even go under the protection of someone like Cersei.
**tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
Cersie and Jaime Lannister were my absolute favorite character. Anyone who sees her as a one toned evil bitch character has failed to understand her journey and character arc. young girl with a haunting prophecy lorded over her head, mistreated by her father who played favourites and openly showed favouritism to her brother Jaime in their childhood just for being male, while shipping her off to an adulterous, drunk, women-bashing, lecherous, misogynistic asshole who treated her like shit. And like it or not, her act of incest, and her act of murder, were both acts of liberation that make her character empowered, not evil. In a society where women are objectified, bartered and traded like objects, she broke her marital vows with her adulterous husband, in a world where adulterous women were slut-shamed while adulterous men were praised, she broke her vows and chose her own partner whom she loved, in defiance of both social tradition and arbitrary sexual morality. She chose to have children with the man she loved rather than get pregnant by a man who treated her with condescension, entitlement and cruelty. She fought ruthlessly to reach where she was instead of depending on the braver and Cleverer men around her like a certain blonde. She was evil, but you can see why she does what she does. She isn’t a perfect character, or a flawless personality, and her schemes aren’t always perfectly devised, and her intentions aren’t always pure, but that’s what makes her character interesting, compelling and vibrant. People who hate her probably just have a lot of sexist issues with the notion of women in power. Especially one who did whatever it took to make the best out of the shit circumstances she was put in. I am so glad how both these characters were written off. Together and in love.
Danny has always been about danny....she burnt the tullys because they wouldn't join...the witch woman because she didn't do what danny hope for. Locked her handmaid in a vault. Everything danny did was for her benefit but we were cool because she did bad things to bad people.
Always hilarious when we get grossed out by.......civilian massacres. That's what all wars are folks. Ever Heard of Mai Lai? Thank God they didn't do a sappy happy ending. Thank God they didn't do a predictable revenge story. They did what happens in real life
UMM when you are powerful but alone you feel fear,and that's fear got her.she can't trust anyone around her,jon snow turned his back on her,arya sansa doesn't like her,,everybody betraying her,and the person who loved her died in front of her,that's got her.
Yup this side of her was always there. People haven't been paying attention if they haven't seen that. This "Everyone has betrayed her 😭" crap is nonsense. They don't trust her for good reason and quite frankly trusted her way to much as should be apparent st this point. She a psychopath just like her father was.
Rhaegal got shot, flying through the air, from a mile out, behind a mountain, by a ship on open ocean 3 for 3 times. Drogon's broadside was missed by an entire fleet, at almost a stand still from 300 feet away.
Believe it or not Robert Baratheon's reign was the most peaceful. Audiences consider him fool but he gets the job done. Kingdom enjoyed the visions of Tywin and Varys but most importantly brothel of little finger.
The reason dany burned king's landing is cause the surrender was easily achieved. She wanted more, she wanted revenge. But a surrender prevents that, so she thought fuvk it. I'm gonna punish y'all
@@abhinandanbhagat7280 Yeah, with one dragon :)) I wonder how they killed the 2nd dragon with 3 arrows and suddenly Drogon has +300% maneuverability...anyway...
Oh come on... tyrion is an amazing person. CAn't imagine GOT without him... he is always moral and clever. surviving all the placing with his word power or knowldege. He was never wrong in the entire time.
Bran will ascend the throne!!!! Tyrion foreshadowed the same while talking to bran about his wheelchair( bran says he is not interested anymore to which Tyrion replies that’s a good quality for a ruler) and again foreshadowed by Varys (have u considered someone who doesn’t want to rule might be the best ruler) while considering a suitable replacement for Dany.
Even I was moved by this episode. Same here. Probably the only episode where even I cried! Idk why people are hating it, is it because of the shocking twist or is it because they expected something else and they got this? ! But to me, this episode brought back the brutal violence which GOT once had!
Dany played well. She caught vareys and she used Tyrion and had a secret plan with Grey worm. Did she always wanted to. She was talking to Jon you have love in westeros I have fear. So, she did what the Targaryens did. She thinks fear will be the one could takeover the westeros.
22:55 taking out the castle would have done a chain reaction for all the wildfire stashes. The people were going to die anyway. Danny didn't want to give Cersie the pleasure of knowing that she won by taking down the city with her. It was Cersie's mo to destroy King's landing if she came to harm, like a Captain going down with the ship. Cersie made sure there won't be a city to rule if SHE couldn't rule it herself.
From start of season 1 1st episode tyrion and john snow have been my favorite characters and i always knew that there is some negativity in Danny's character..
I didn't realise seeing the Lannisters in pain would affect me so much. I did not like seeing Cersei scared and vulnerable, couldn't help it. She's such an amazing character
Dany "all of a sudden" deciding to burn everyone. Throughout her story arch, her first reaction to challenges to her authority was always to either kill them all or burn them. She had always been restrained by her advisors. However, this time she felt betrayed by her advisors and was not listening to them any longer.
she always did a piss poor job at anything. Threatening to burn Qarth when they denied entry, killing and pinning rich in posts regardless of who they are and what they did(or not did), killing accused without trail against Ser Barristan's request, the list goes on. She started showing such tendencies all the way from 1st season, when she tried to manipulate Drogo to march for the Throne for her( and he agreed along with pilaging and raping, to which she had no aversion it seemed). I have always considered her the secret antagonist. Donno why people are surprised
This is the fourth time I'm watching this episode. 1st time, the whole episode, after that through reaction videos. And each time I cried like hell during the whole episode. This is the second time I cried like this after the red wedding. I never really liked Dany. Don't know why but I thought that after the Khal Drogo's death, she actually changed so much. Her only and only goal is to rule, no matter the cost. And she did what she was told to like Lady Olenna told her to be dragon (though not like this kind of) and when Missandei shouted, "Dracarys".
Same is with me jaby that interaction between Jamie and Tyrion got me also another scene that got me was between arya and hound ....inspite of all backlash that this episode is getting i actually really liked it ....
I think our Achara watching this very first time. Well, i could comment several dialogues from the characters themselves to justify what she did. But for instance think of everything being taken away from you, you have nothing else to loose expect life; you would have done the same. She risked her alone dragon, her own life, all her unsullied and you expect all her anger to just vanish coz some stupid bells rang? NO WAY! What she did was right. At least now after that she will have no hindrance of any kind, as long as she lives(which she will not for sure).
I think Danny knew she won when the citizens surrendered. However, she saw that the Red Keep wasn't ringing their bell and got extremely frustrated and truly believed the only way to convince cersei to ring her bell is to start murdering innocents. Still wasn't the best move.
Moral of the story when we have limited identity we always wants to protect that identity....for cersei her identity is limited to herself and her family.....so being a leader she can't think of the well being of her people....Therefore a leader must have larger identity.....like John snow....I think he deserve to be the king of seven kingdom....
Is Arya the Azhor Ahai? But many said it is Jon snow. But just looking at that *only* horse standing like it was just for her, made it look like she was the Azhor Ahai?!
Danny just broke, missandei died and her last words were dracarys I.e but this town to hell, grey worm was drooling for carnage, Varys betrayed her, people don’t love her. The one person I am pissed of with is John. John had a chance to end all this so many chances he could have taken the throne, he could have stopped ed her before that last kiss. Man John should accept his destiny to qual all this blood shed.
I feel so bad for the Lannisters for the first time ever. This is the moment i have been waiting for but i dont feel good at all especially after The bell rings...and daenerys still slaughter them all. Jaime and tyrion scene moved me to tears...😢
Varys was trying to poison Danerys. Pay attention to his conversation with his little birdy. He deserved it and more than that contributed one more step to pushing dany where she went.
And I also gotta say, as much as Dany has been shown to try to save women and children in the past, she has also had to be talked out of burning cities to the ground including all the women and children more than once before. All the people who have tried to talk her out of that are either dead or have betrayed her.
Everytime we face the hard challenges, everytime we feel afraid of putting our own lives before others, everytime we buy a roast chicken from the supermarket, we will always remember your name... Sandor Clegane, the man who conquered all his fears at the very end
Those "innocent" people cheered when joffrey ordered Ned's head to be executed. Rioted at every chance they got and hurled garbage at Cersei during her walk of shame. I know not everyone was a jerk in King's landing but thats the thing, in politics and war there are citizens who pay collateral. Dany always said I will take what is mine by fire and blood. Last episode Cersei challenged Dany by killing her best friend and her dragon (child). Then took human shield and locked herself in the Red keep. When Dany saw the red keep when bells were tolling, it triggered all the past and recent wounds. She made it personal, to take revenge on everything that was taken from them. The red keep is a symbol of downfall of Targaryen dynasty. She remembers it all, she wasn't such a child when that happened.
Tyrion had to go to his queen and confess Varys's treason not because of his fealty to the her but because Varys made it clear during their last conversation that he was adamant on killing Dany to secure Jon's birth right ! I'm sure Tyrion knows deep down that Jon is a better ruler but according to him that doesn't mean that Dany has to die for it ! (but that's before she decided to go on her mad-queen-killing-spree I guess...)
Why is noone talking about brilliant portrayal of emotions by Emilia ? Also Jaby u r so right about Daenerys not killing people .They just did it to make her a villain !
AND YET, EPISODE 5 WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.I LOVED IT!!! Basically I stopped caring about most of the characters after 8x3 but there was one villian I had almost forgotten about and one I never expected to see getting their due... The inhabitants of King's Landing. Tyranny is made possible by the people and not otherwise. This is a hard truth and a harsh justice. Daenerys delivered it with tears in her eyes. A society that lets injustice rule is culpable for denying the Law. Thus when tyranny is permitted to go unpunished, the inbalance will fall upon the masses so the pit may still be fed its due. Then a voracious, predatory, indiscriminate Doom will be set loose upon an unsuspecting people in order to claim its rightful meal. And after all was said and done, Arya rode off into the sunset. BRAVO GOT! I LOVED IT!!! Or, to rephrase the same principle in slightly different terms Every time a teardrop falls, a little flower grows, otherwise there could be no beauty in this world at all. But whenever injustice goes unpunished an innocent little flower will die so that everyone has something worth crying about.
I felt Dany's storyline was a huge pendulum swing but in slow motion. Seven seasons in one direction of liberating people, crushing the wheel (ending slave nations, ending male dominated Dothraki culture), uniting people for a certain goal to get the iron throne and break the wheel. Yet, as the pendulum swing back, there was this goal of having Dany be the Mad Queen based on all the foreshadowing of coin flips, her father the Mad King. But it was so contrived how they did it. Dany had it all, she could have taken Kings landing easily with her full army, 3 dragons and Westerosi allies. Yet..... setback after setback losing her allies like Olenna, Sandnakes, and Yara. Then losing a dragon, then most of the Dothraki, unsullied, Jorah. Then another Dragon and Missandei. Meanwhile she noticed no one loved her. They talked about Jon. They showed Sansa hugging Theon. They showed Starks not warming up to Dany. Jon telling his secret becoming a threat to Dany's claim. Then her advisors Varys and Tyrion going against her. Finally the one last main person (other than Greyworm/army/last dragon) Jon who could have kept her sanity by saying something like he loved her, rather he said his Queen (and nothing above that). She said "Fear". The writers literally chipped away everything Dany cared for, her morals, her children, - made her fall in love only to take that, too and her goal of the iron throne to taken away by a bigger claim in Jon. Doesn't that seem contrived as a way to make it so Dany turns insane, depressed, mad that she just killed innocent people street by street. Push all of Dany's buttons to get this specific result.
I feel maybe dany will summon Sansa to kings landing.... And history will be repeated... Maybe she would want to burn her alive and either Jon will kill dany and join the nightswatch... Or Arya will kill dany and Jon might die in this fight as well. That would be a bitter sweet ending. But the only question is who would sit on the Iron Throne then.
C'mon! Arya was told that she would kill Green eyes too! Cersei and Dany are Green eyed. With one possibly gone, *Arya* also after she saw all that massacre Dany did, *would kill Dany* with maybe Jon's face. And Jon might retire to Castle Black as he wished from the start with *Sansa taking the throne* with Tyrion(her husband) being her hand and *Arya being the Lord of North* (she also said she couldn't be someone's Lady when proposed) All this is bcz the writers said it would be a *bitter sweet ending*
I understand Daenerys' feeling. It is like that angel who saved the slaves from the Egyptian army and later on they betrayed that angel and worship other gods. The angel thought about destroying them all at the mountain, but Moses plead for their case and lead them out of the Mount Sinai.
There is also the part in the old testament where they traded God for a king in 1 Samuel 8: God promise them a king, but the king will enslave them and kill them for his sake. So maybe in Daenerys' mind it is better for them to die than to become a slave to a king. It is an act of "MERCY" for her.
Jaby and Achara, loved you guys like always. But I don't agree with you when you say that Daenerys hasn't been the Mad queen like before. You need to watch since Season 1 again. Daenerys is always someone who has a cold reaction to death, even to her brother's death, who was her only family. And Daenerys has always enjoyed burning people and watching them die with a smirk. We just never felt it was evil because she was killing people who happened to be bad. But now she's doing the same thing. Killing people because she thinks is justified. She has always maintained that killing people is justified for the greater good. She's always had this mad side to her. It's just being unleashed fully now. She's threatened to crucify and burn people before. She didn't even show any regret when she finds out that she burned Sam's parents. Daenerys was always meant to be the Mad Queen. She's worse than her father.. She did finally what he always wanted to do. Burn them all.
4:50 Achara"Thank god, no innocent person died"
Me "Wait for it"😜
SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
@@GemsOfIndianRight Why would Jon take the black? there are no white walkers left in the North
Spoilers: All targeryans will die in next episode including John Snow
Arya will kill dany and sansa will be Queen.
@@GemsOfIndianRight So ummm..........could you uh......hook us up with a link to that episode????
4:44
Achara: So, so far she hasn't got any innocent people , right...
Me: OH YOU HAVE NO IDEA
That was like the PERFECT setup there...
I was like "Oh, I'm gonna enjoy this so much"
My same thoughts 😁
exactly😂😂
SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
Meanwhile Bran is chilling in Winterfell completely unbothered as always
He is probably most useless character..
He's playing Raven Simulator
@@friendlyatheist387 and he'll sit on the throne.
yeah bran that fucking hypo
TH-cam Black haha so you read the leak too
Achara @ 4:44 : So far, She has not got any innocent people
Danny : Hold my " latte "...!
Hold my starbucks
Bran is still playing raven Simulator
@@anands8359 nights watch not exist anymore . Bran can't walk and he is king lol .
Pablo Escobar more like sitting simulator
Wait till he takes the throne in the next episode..
@@stalanstanly9879 he's done with got . His last appearance was at winterfel.
@sumantha chakrabothy- now say who is the three eyed Raven😂😎
Welcome to kingslanding
Population: arya stark and one horse
next episode kings landing got repaired and have fresh 5000000 civillians
@@burakevran9823 Daenerys_ i eant to rule kingslandings
but first kill all civilians and destroy whole city, so what? If there is no functioning city and people to run civil services i will rule the ruins__ Daenerys shitborn
:D
And Cersei's death was poetic, as she stood where Tywin and Robert's band buried the Targaryen legacy with the dragon skulls then took housing on the very building Targaryen's built. Jaime always wanted to die with the woman she loved most, and he led Cersei to that place, where he got what he wanted and she got what she deserved.
Tyrion is the last lannister that remains.
Call me crazy if you want to, I kinda felt bad for cersei and Jaime in this episode. Didn't expected them to die this way. kudos to D&D. They just made a template on how to ruin character arcs
@@VivekCNair-jy4ct - yes. Lena Headey really killed it. Full score to her.
I cried sooooooooo badly for jaime and cersie and idc say what you want about them when they hugged I was in tears
Dumb & Dumber ruined this show
@@maverickmurphy unfortunately and the ending will be disappointing probably
@@adamahmad8800 - it's kinda symbolic that even in death they are together. As flawed as she is, her love towards her children is great.
On one hand there are jaime and Tyrion, brothers who love each other the most and on the other hand sandor and Gregor, brothers who hate each other the most !
What about Cersei and Jaime?
@@CasperFiles1969 i burst out laughing
@@CasperFiles1969 Rolf, not my category though
4:44
Achara=ooh so far so good she hasn't got any innocent people's life.
Me= ooh my sweet summer child 😂😂
So far so good ..... that's what I thought too.., 😐
SPOILER ALERT !!!! **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
Sansa: How do you answer for these charges, Lord Baelish?
Lord Baelish: * Jaby's reaction at 2:06 *
It was fear that broke her!! (A post from Reddit)
The Mad Queen descent was rushed, but I've seen a lot of people all over the Internet make fun of the bells and at Daenerys' mind breaking at the point of surrender but it made sense and was set up earlier in the episode.
Season 1 to 7 showed up a Daenerys that rose from the very lowest of lows to the height of power. In Season 1 and 2, we see Daenerys realize that without power, no one will respect her or take her claim seriously. She’s told repeatedly that she’s nothing without an army, and she’s nothing without ships. She gains those. We cheer for her.
When Daenerys leaves Essos, she thinks she can rule through compassion and be loved by the people once she gets rid of Cersei. She had her armies. She had dragons. She had powerful allies in Westeros. She had the strongest claim to the throne and finally had the chance to take King’s Landing.
Season 7 and Season 8 was about losing that power. First, her powerful allies are stripped away one by one. Olenna, Elliria, Yara. Tyrion mismanages them as Hand of the Queen and makes horrible tactical mistakes.
In S08E01, Daenerys realizes she doesn’t have the love of the people. In Essos, she broke their chains and earned their devotion and became their Mysha. She freed them from their oppressive masters and they were grateful to her and made her their queen. In the North, Sansa and Jon had already broken their chains. They defeated Ramsay. Sansa and Jon, as Starks, have earned their loyalty for a lifetime. Daenerys is faced with a smallfolk - her subjects - that don’t love her. It’s a harsh realization for her.
In S08E02, she loses her claim. Jon tells her his true identity, and suddenly she’s not the only Targaryen in the world. Even moreso, Jon’s claim is stronger. He’s a natural leader. She’s immediately threatened by his confession, and is shaken by it.
In S08E03, she loses Jorah. He was there for her since the beginning. He was devoted to her not because of her power, not because of her dragons, but because he loved her. He never would’ve betrayed her and she trusted him fully. He’s essentially been her rock through all her hardship. And then he dies protecting her.
In S08E04, she loses her second child, and Missandei. One by one, everyone she held close that was devoted to her and her alone was taken from her. Her dragons were a symbol of her power; with only one left, she was beginning to get desperate. Her only advisor from Essos was Grey Worm, and he was a soldier.
In S08E05, she loses Varys, Tyrion, and Jon. Through betrayal, no less. Jon betrays her by telling Sansa, and Sansa tells Tyrion, who tells Varys. Varys openly conspires against her and (presumably) tries to poison her and turn Jon against her. She kills him without a trial, without asking for his last words, and without a second thought. At that point, she’s on the brink.
And Jon goes to her, and she seeks one last bit of comfort from him. She tells him that people love him, and that’s something she’ll never have.
”Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
He counters by saying that he loves her, and that she’ll always be his queen. But when they kiss, Daenerys realizes that he’ll never truly love her again. And so, she says: "Alright then. Let it be fear"
When the bells ring, Daenerys realizes that while the city has surrendered she’ll never be secure as queen as long as the people don’t truly, irrevocably fear her. She will never be loved by them. She has lost everything she has gained and every friend she’s made, and she’s completely alone. King’s Landing becomes a symbol of everything she’s ever been through - her brother selling her like a brood mare, Drogo's death, being ridiculed and laughed at from Pentos to Slaver's Bay to Mereen, being threatened at every turn, losing her dragons, losing her loved ones. She’s on her dragon, she’s alone, she feels powerless, and she’s angry.
So what does she do when feels powerless? She reminds them all that she is still powerful. The people will never love her, so they will fear her.
mithun madanchandran beautifully written
Best explanation yet. If only you were a writer on the show.
God I wish I’d written this!
So how is destroying KL improving that situation?
@@hijack69 Well it invokes fear among the rest of Kingdoms...Dany clearly stated that she has found no love in westeroes and she is only seen as a danger and a threat even after all the decisions and bloody sacrifices she had to make for them....Jon hesitating to show her Love was the final nail in the coffin...and when she stood there on the roof top upon her Dragon....Liberating the small folks of King's landing from Cersei also being the crux of it..who uses people has hostages as a Military Strength...All she could hear was Scream all across the Streets, Screams of Fear and Panic, begging Cersie to Ring the Bells...this is when she realises that she can never garner Love from them ...and she chooses the path of Fear with Fire and Blood...Making a statement to the rest of the realm. Now they know that she has the power to waste their Cities to dust within a day...As quoted by Robert Baratheon, the most realistic and intelligent Charecter when it came to War Strategies : "Do you think it's Honour that's keeping the peace? It's fear Ned, fear and blood!"
An example of Fear overpowering Honour in the world of Westeroes is The Northerners resisting to help Jon and Sansa when they call their banners to help retake Winterfell against Ramsey Bolton. They Refused the Call!
so jon what will you do now? can you still fulfill your oaths and your duties? can you serve your queen AND protect your family?
we had jamie the kingslayer and now we have jon the....?
I'll say it... Queen slayer
right with you mates, he kills his love. Bittersweet it is.
The plot is already leaked ...Jon killed Dany and Bran takes the throne.
Jaime was an addict, whatever else good or bad, there was addiction and many times it doesn't end without tragedy.
It's tragic, he went back to his abuser.
Jaime was fatally stabbed, and was bleeding out. He was going to die anyway. Euron said he killed Jaime Lannister. I hope Jaime gets his page in the Knight book
Go for the eye balls!! the mountain thought she was telling him!!
The very end of the episode, where Arya becomes the Pale Rider of the Apocalypse. She's got a new queen on her list of names!
She has only one name on the list now
Arya meets hot pie on the way and they live happily ever after.
Raman Singh 🤪
😂😂😂lol
😁👍
@@alphamale3352 how the hell do you remember all this
As a book reader honestly I'm not really that surprised that danny turns into the mad queen..it was always her advisors that kept her at bay. Luv your reaction hope to see other tv series reactions in future;)
I'm not a book reader and I'm not surprised at all; like a lot of other people, surely. We have all thought about the definitive fall of Daenerys, but we never thought (at least not in my case) that the creators of GoT would dare to do so, and moreover, in such a brutal way.
You have no idea what you can do when you have power above all....
basically if you want to know why danny did this think of it like this she believes all her advisors betrayed her even the man she loves betrayed her in her eyes and she just lost her son and best friend and then her advisor tells her when she hears bell they surrendered yet how can you trust what he says after everything he’s done in the end another way to see this is watch the people cheering ned’s beheading then watch this
Dany`s advisors died like flies, also losing her 2nd dragon did not help at all. Betrayal all over the place, realizing your love has a better claim to the iron throne. Realizing the people of Westeros like Jon more than Dany. It all sums up, that not even the bells of surrender could stop her.
Testrun strike this is why this wasn’t out of character for her she was just having a lot of bad days when she was used to praise here in westeros she’s hated
At first she was the breaker of chains because she empathized with them, having been almost a slave herself. But once she became Khaleesi and progressed, she freed people for their love and adolation. In Mereen, when she didn't receive that, she was confused and distraught, and eventually dumped it into Daario's hands. She doesn't LOVE people, she LOVES being loved and being held up. It's not about how they feel, it's how they make HER feel. That's where she got it wrong. And once she felt alone and unloved in Westeros, she lost all the love for them. The Unsullied and Dothraki are still her people, only because they follow her unquestioning.
I agree 💯. That scene was so powerful that I moved me to tears and I never cry
This is the best directed episode of all time in a tv show, Direction and Special effects is way above the pay grade, out of the world !
Sure bud
I hope Drogon wont burn John even if Dany gives her command...that would be cool
Fire cannot kill Targaryens........so drogon fire can't kill Jon
@@Salonikhandelwal17 You need to rewatch the early seasons when Jon saves Mormont when a undead attack him in castle black he slams a lantern on it and burns his hand, so not a dragon like Dany's brother...
imagine jon says dracarys and drogon burns dany :D
@@erustoerd4635 maybe cuz he is half stark?
Dany is not gonna kill Jon.
Eventually circie won she turned Dany into mad queen & now she will not rule 7 kingdoms !
Well this was a show of power, they need to be crazy to try to kill her.. unless its jhon cause ether the drogo wont kill him or the fire wont work on jhon
Dany doesn't want to rule nothing now. That's very clear.
She break the wheel.
Cersei died protecting the people
@@mikehoot3978 And again the protection allegation of breaking the wheel. Establishing a monarchistic dictatorship does not constitute breaking the wheel.
@@mikehoot3978 No, she didn't. She played the Game of Thrones. This is the game.
Aww, Achara yelling "eyeball" is the cutest thing ever.
The Clegane bowl was best part of this entire episode tbh
It felt like a let down, been waiting for it for half a decade, and it was a huge let down.
Sagar Nagaraj This whole season was a let down. Just gotta take what you can get at this point.
Sadly.
The part with Jaime was among the worst (the Tyrion/Jaime scene was heartwarming but after that, nah).... The redemption arc, watching him develop as a character, only to watch him just go down like that? And wtf is Euron doing showing up at the secret entrance at the exact moment Jaime got there? After getting blasted off a ship he ENDED UP THERE?! "Ai fucced za kween" dumbass fight.😂
@@sagarnagaraj443Not the fight itself, but Sandor's final scream as he is tackling Gregor is both heartbreaking and bonechilling!
A targareyn alone in the world..it's a terrible thing - Master Aemon Targaryen..
The deaths of her 2 dragons, Jorah and Missandei alongside with the sense of insecurity from Jon's, Tyrion's and Varys' end pushed her to the edge, which she took out on the Red Keep. Interestingly, her makeup in the scene with Tyrion almost resembles to that of the Mad King in the "Burn'em all" scene.
Cleganebowl ended up with the Hound taking the Mountain to the fire this time.
Any views on Who's next??
@Indie and Osbscure **tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
Jacob Daniel Bran as a King ....well ... it's same as no King at all. He will be just creeping with those crows😂 watching everyone. " I saw you that night you were beautiful"..😂😂
@@sandeshbhasri6458 he will just lurk around kingdom, locking eyes with people he passes and saying " I saw u that night you were beautiful "
@Indie and Osbscure this is promising not Bran as a king lmao who did nothing in this series . What will happen with drogon??
Jaime and Tyrion hugging and saying goodbye, forever, is pretty emotional. We are also saying goodbye, forever.
Why is it that everyone is so surprised that Daenerys was going to burn the city street by street? She's the daughter of the Mad fooking King? You really expected her to be merciful to the people who fear her? Those peasants were nothing like the slaves in Essos, where you can just kill their leaders and be treated like some destined savior. She's nothing but another tyrant to them. This isn't out of character for her, this is just her showing her true face.
I think you are watching different show.. Throughout whole show they are showing Danny is kind hearted.. Oly ther was a slight hint Tat she is capable of mad queen.. But Wt made her snap in this particular episode though.. Y kill everyone after evryone surrender.. y can't she kill from the start? Instead of decimating red keep first.. y killing ppl first.. I say its poor writing.. With no logic.. No one surprised abt she being mad queen. But not showing wt snapped her is just lazy writing..
It's the way they did it. Sloppy and hurried writing. D & D really dropped the ballpoint pen.
Rhaegar was also the Mad King's son, but he was very kind.
Well, we always knew she would follow her fathers footsteps, but the Mad king had a series of events that made him insecure and that lead to him becoming mad. Daenerys was all good until now, the mad queen arc is too rushed, which is also justified since they have like a really short season
I just don't care what happens in the end. One fact that I don't think anyone can dispute, is that this season is amazing to watch. Effects, cinematography, soundtrack, acting, all done to perfection. It feels like no holds barred, go crazy, sucker punch me, horrify me, hell yes I'm entertained! I'll let the armchair critics have at it by themselves. It seems to make them happy. (not directed at this reaction video- y'all weren't being critical, you just seemed in shock. So was I. )
I blame Starbucks for Danny going mad......LOL
Sansa- You stand in trial of treason and murder...how do you answer that...(looks away from Daenerys)
Lord Starbucks
Plus, Missandei was just a small part of a much more accumulative build. At this point in the story Dany is in the city that was ruled by her family until they were destroyed by Twyin's sack of the city, she's lost Jorah, Olenna, Ellaria, and Barristan, she doesn't trust Tyrion, Varys betrayed her, she feels Jon is betraying her, she lost 2 of her dragons for a country that doesn't appreciate her, all the people are celebrating Jon and not her, her Dothraki and Unsullied were decimated in the Battle of Winterfell, and she's completely rejected as a lover by Jon Snow. What does she have left? Grey Worm and Yara on the Iron Islands? She rages against a country that she feels owes her everything and has given her nothing.
Jon snow, Tyrion, and BRIENNE are the most moral characters haha
and Sir Davos
Samwell Tarly
I enjoyed your reaction and commentary. I'll rant a bit about the episode though:
The reason you guys don't understand why Daenerys killed all the civilians after she won the city is because... it actually makes no sense ☹ It was OOC despite what her haters say.
She was never developed as a mad character. She was developed as flawed human like basically every character in GOT (even Jon, who cut off Janos Slynt's head even though the man cried and begged). She has been inflexible about being respected and recognized as queen. She's been tough. But NEVER mad or cruel.
The fact that people mention killing the witch or the Qarth sorcerers or the slavers as if it foreshadowed nastiness is utter bullshit. She only ever killed murderers and people who attacked her. Then suddenly she is a mass murderer... AFTER her victory. The writers didn't set this up properly and that was on purpose, they wanted the shock value of seeing her turn bloodthirsty all of a sudden.
Other characters have done really harsh things (to put it mildly) like Sansa feeding Ramsay to his dogs and enjoying the spectacle... no one called her mad. Now let's imagine if Daenerys had done even to an evil character like Ramsay... all her haters would be screaming "proof she's mad!"...
Yes you're right after the bells she should have burnt the Keep maybe even the soldiers who surrendered. It would have been wrong but logical, it would have put her character in a morally greyer zone than before. She could have decided that she was ready to kill the civilians of the keep just to get to Cersei. That can still make sense with her character and what she went through recently. But having her burn the streets on the other side of the city makes no sense. It's manichean writing for the sake of shock value.
It saddens me to watch this episode again as it's really GOT dying and character development being thrown out of the window.
They butchered Jaime's character. They dared give him a line saying that he never really care for the people of KL. Fuck you D & D. They are literally retconning the character and his past. They are erasing the major bath scene in Harrenhal where he reveals he killed the Mad King to prevent the mass murder of the civilians in KL. It's like they didn't know what to do with his character anymore.
The writing is horrendous, there is no point excusing it anymore. Last week in the episode commentary the showrunners/writers said "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet that's why she got attacked". This is lazy, inconsistent writing. I can forgive it when it's only about technicalities in battles but I cannot forgive it when they ruin arcs and characters. It's now obvious they're unable to provide quality material without material from the books.
About Jaimie saying that he never cared about the people of KingsLanding : He said that because he didn't have any connection to the people. He saved them because it was the right thing to do.
Same with Tyrion, he saved the city but during his trial he said he would love to see them burn because he realised that they were mostly selfish hypocrites. However still he wouldn't kill them all for his Queen. He doesn't care for them but knows killing isn't the right thing to do.
Something near these lines
Arun Singla
LMAO just stop the double standards. You blame her for killing the witch who murdered her husband and baby but it's not different from Arya slitting the throat of Walder Frey yet no one had a problem with that.
*She only ever killed murderers and people who attacked her*
The Qarth sorcerers put her in chains, her maidservant stole her dragons for money and was ok with what the sorcerers planned yet somehow it was cruel of her to kill them 😂
The list goes on and on. People like you never blame Arya for COOKING TWO PEOPLE IN A PIE, you never blame Sansa for enjoying watching a man being eaten alive by his dogs, you never blame Ned for cutting the head of a poor guy running for his life just because it's "the law" so he blindly applies it (in the pilot), you never blame Robb for stupidly killing Lord Karstark, ETC ETC ETC.
Every character is flawed in GOT because they're humans and even the good guys have done some questionable things yet Daenerys haters only focus on her and act as if the "good guys" hadn't killed many people themselves.
Sameer Khan
You're trying to find a logical explanation to justify the shitty writing. Tyrion had been betrayed by his lover and was very angry when he made the speech. He didn't mean it. The writing is full of inconsistencies. The writers themselves justified the ambush in episode 4 by saying "Dany forgot about Euron's fleet". They're full of shit and cannot provide the depth Martin's material had. What they did with Jaime's character is just that: inconsistent characterization.
@@AriaIsara I agree with all the shitty writing except for Jaimie.
He went North to fight for a cause he believed in.
After that war was over what do you expect him to do? Eat cherries while they kill his unborn child?
Completely agree with you
Jaby- How much fire do the dragon has
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The thing about madness is no one can understand the why of their actions except the person going mad. I've seen a lot of people saying they can't understand why Dany would do what she did but that's an impossible thing to grasp even in the real world. You can point to the things that have happened to her and they probably had some cause but ultimately it's exactly what is portrayed. Madness. Great review/discussion at the end guys. One of the better ones I've seen.
Arya definitely has a strong moral code; she is certainly Ned Stark's daughter. She shunned her assassin training because she realized she couldn't kill people without a good reason. I think a lot of this episode and the battle of winterfell episode was for her to come full circle and realize what death and destruction truly is and for her to find out that she no longer wants to be consumed by it.
And I think the reason we don't see Dany's face after she starts the attack is to give viewers the sense of what it would be like to be on the receiving end of a bombing; the person doing it is faceless to you, just as you are to them from so high up. It's a dehumanizing experience.
btw, just found your guys' TH-cam channel finally randomly looking at Game of Thrones videos! See you at dinner again sometime!
Why do people struggle with why Dany burned the city, I mean its been foreshadowed since Season 1 and she literally said previously to Jon Snow its you or its fire and he declined her and so guess what happened. I mean its all there, please watch the episodes. Also she is a Targaryan and its a coin toss as to whether they are sane or insane and throughout the whole show people around her, people she loved or respected have guided her and stopped her worst excesses and one by one they have all been removed, all the supports that stopped her until finally the last one, Jon Snow was gone and noone was left to stop her. Its simple yet so many people are crying that it came out of nowhere, do these people actually watch the show?
Dany's last emotional support was John so his rejection was when she felt she could never be loved, especially the way the people love him. If she can't hold power by the people's love, then she would have to rule through fear.
Dany turning mad is always hinted and as her house of undying dream came true now and also GRRM said both ending will be same only secondry character will be different in book 😒
Tyrion the tallest Lannister
I liked what the writers did to Daenerys...i don't no why people are hating it so much ....
The speed of the transition wasn't authentic. If they had 10 episodes it would have likely worked.
I knew that she was going to destroy the Red keep no matter what, but she didn't go directly to the castle where Cersei was, she destroys the city for half the episode wich is what doesn't makes any sense, and I hope there's a reason why she did that. Even something stupid like: oh, that? Well I guess I just don't want to reign over people that fears me that much to even go under the protection of someone like Cersei.
Because what they did to varys tyrion and cerci.
**tyrion tells jon that he and his family would always be in danger because of his lineage, Jon bends the knee and then kill dany. Jon takes the Black . The council of ministers Tyrion, Davos, Sam and Bronn makes Bran Stark the king of the seven kingdoms. Sansa rules the North, and Arya leaves. Talk about the most LAZY writing ever!!!!!!! D&D idiots!!!**
yeah basically she switched On mad mode.
Cersie and Jaime Lannister were my absolute favorite character. Anyone who sees her as a one toned evil bitch character has failed to understand her journey and character arc.
young girl with a haunting prophecy lorded over her head, mistreated by her father who played favourites and openly showed favouritism to her brother Jaime in their childhood just for being male, while shipping her off to an adulterous, drunk, women-bashing, lecherous, misogynistic asshole who treated her like shit. And like it or not, her act of incest, and her act of murder, were both acts of liberation that make her character empowered, not evil. In a society where women are objectified, bartered and traded like objects, she broke her marital vows with her adulterous husband, in a world where adulterous women were slut-shamed while adulterous men were praised, she broke her vows and chose her own partner whom she loved, in defiance of both social tradition and arbitrary sexual morality. She chose to have children with the man she loved rather than get pregnant by a man who treated her with condescension, entitlement and cruelty.
She fought ruthlessly to reach where she was instead of depending on the braver and Cleverer men around her like a certain blonde. She was evil, but you can see why she does what she does.
She isn’t a perfect character, or a flawless personality, and her schemes aren’t always perfectly devised, and her intentions aren’t always pure, but that’s what makes her character interesting, compelling and vibrant. People who hate her probably just have a lot of sexist issues with the notion of women in power. Especially one who did whatever it took to make the best out of the shit circumstances she was put in.
I am so glad how both these characters were written off. Together and in love.
Danny has always been about danny....she burnt the tullys because they wouldn't join...the witch woman because she didn't do what danny hope for. Locked her handmaid in a vault. Everything danny did was for her benefit but we were cool because she did bad things to bad people.
She burnt the witch because she intentionally killed her son
'She did bad things to bad people'
That's the point.
The point is danny always had signs...fyi i love it fuck king's landing lol
Always hilarious when we get grossed out by.......civilian massacres. That's what all wars are folks. Ever Heard of Mai Lai? Thank God they didn't do a sappy happy ending. Thank God they didn't do a predictable revenge story. They did what happens in real life
People blaming Dany. Everyone is forgetting it was Cersei who put all the civilians inside the castle as shield.
This comment is dumb
Why does she have to destroy the whole city to get to redkeep she is riding a fcking dragon!!!
Varys was the noblest character guys. He always strived for the greater good . Even gave his life for it
Dany is the new villain!! She is in full on Mad Queen mode. She has been showing signs of her Psycho side right from the beginning
UMM when you are powerful but alone you feel fear,and that's fear got her.she can't trust anyone around her,jon snow turned his back on her,arya sansa doesn't like her,,everybody betraying her,and the person who loved her died in front of her,that's got her.
Yup this side of her was always there. People haven't been paying attention if they haven't seen that. This "Everyone has betrayed her 😭" crap is nonsense. They don't trust her for good reason and quite frankly trusted her way to much as should be apparent st this point. She a psychopath just like her father was.
John snow hanged a kid and Ned Stark chopped off a mans head in the first episode. I guess they’re tyrants too
@@Peopleeat97 are you really comparing a punishment by law with just burning thousands of innocent people without any reason..??? Lol
@@Peopleeat97 Those are hardly equitable.
Rhaegal got shot, flying through the air, from a mile out, behind a mountain, by a ship on open ocean 3 for 3 times. Drogon's broadside was missed by an entire fleet, at almost a stand still from 300 feet away.
Believe it or not Robert Baratheon's reign was the most peaceful. Audiences consider him fool but he gets the job done. Kingdom enjoyed the visions of Tywin and Varys but most importantly brothel of little finger.
The reason dany burned king's landing is cause the surrender was easily achieved. She wanted more, she wanted revenge. But a surrender prevents that, so she thought fuvk it. I'm gonna punish y'all
wasn't that easily achieved, the entire Iron Fleet was destroyed, the entire Golden army, as well as a good chunk of the Lannister soldiers
@@abhinandanbhagat7280 Yeah, with one dragon :)) I wonder how they killed the 2nd dragon with 3 arrows and suddenly Drogon has +300% maneuverability...anyway...
Oh come on... tyrion is an amazing person. CAn't imagine GOT without him... he is always moral and clever. surviving all the placing with his word power or knowldege. He was never wrong in the entire time.
Danny should have stayed in the house with red door and lemon tree😅😅
underrated comment.
Bran will ascend the throne!!!! Tyrion foreshadowed the same while talking to bran about his wheelchair( bran says he is not interested anymore to which Tyrion replies that’s a good quality for a ruler) and again foreshadowed by Varys (have u considered someone who doesn’t want to rule might be the best ruler) while considering a suitable replacement for Dany.
Even I was moved by this episode. Same here. Probably the only episode where even I cried! Idk why people are hating it, is it because of the shocking twist or is it because they expected something else and they got this? ! But to me, this episode brought back the brutal violence which GOT once had!
When you isolate a person with Great power, that what made the queen mad
Actually when you have shitty writers and you try to rush a plot line in two episodes
Dany played well. She caught vareys and she used Tyrion and had a secret plan with Grey worm. Did she always wanted to. She was talking to Jon you have love in westeros I have fear. So, she did what the Targaryens did. She thinks fear will be the one could takeover the westeros.
22:55 taking out the castle would have done a chain reaction for all the wildfire stashes. The people were going to die anyway. Danny didn't want to give Cersie the pleasure of knowing that she won by taking down the city with her. It was Cersie's mo to destroy King's landing if she came to harm, like a Captain going down with the ship. Cersie made sure there won't be a city to rule if SHE couldn't rule it herself.
From start of season 1 1st episode tyrion and john snow have been my favorite characters and i always knew that there is some negativity in Danny's character..
I didn't realise seeing the Lannisters in pain would affect me so much. I did not like seeing Cersei scared and vulnerable, couldn't help it. She's such an amazing character
Dany "all of a sudden" deciding to burn everyone. Throughout her story arch, her first reaction to challenges to her authority was always to either kill them all or burn them. She had always been restrained by her advisors. However, this time she felt betrayed by her advisors and was not listening to them any longer.
she always did a piss poor job at anything. Threatening to burn Qarth when they denied entry, killing and pinning rich in posts regardless of who they are and what they did(or not did), killing accused without trail against Ser Barristan's request, the list goes on. She started showing such tendencies all the way from 1st season, when she tried to manipulate Drogo to march for the Throne for her( and he agreed along with pilaging and raping, to which she had no aversion it seemed). I have always considered her the secret antagonist. Donno why people are surprised
This is the fourth time I'm watching this episode. 1st time, the whole episode, after that through reaction videos. And each time I cried like hell during the whole episode. This is the second time I cried like this after the red wedding. I never really liked Dany. Don't know why but I thought that after the Khal Drogo's death, she actually changed so much. Her only and only goal is to rule, no matter the cost. And she did what she was told to like Lady Olenna told her to be dragon (though not like this kind of) and when Missandei shouted, "Dracarys".
If you ever feel useless..... just remember the Golden Company 😊
Sandor Clegane went out on the top of his game. Also his brother.
Also top of the red keep.. just saying
Same is with me jaby that interaction between Jamie and Tyrion got me also another scene that got me was between arya and hound ....inspite of all backlash that this episode is getting i actually really liked it ....
🔥🔥🔥🔥 Burn them all...BURN THEM ALL - King Aerys 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love your reaction and thoughts afterwards guys.
This was so far the best episode of GOT this season..Also Achara's reaction was like😱😱 all the time
you have no idea how D&D butchered the perfect TV show.
5:20 Here comes the heir of the "Mad King", the "Mad Queen".
4:44 "so far she hasn't got any innocent people.."
Hehe boi! 😆😆
Fav episode so far!
I think our Achara watching this very first time. Well, i could comment several dialogues from the characters themselves to justify what she did. But for instance think of everything being taken away from you, you have nothing else to loose expect life; you would have done the same.
She risked her alone dragon, her own life, all her unsullied and you expect all her anger to just vanish coz some stupid bells rang? NO WAY!
What she did was right. At least now after that she will have no hindrance of any kind, as long as she lives(which she will not for sure).
Thanks for the help Bran.....
I think Danny knew she won when the citizens surrendered. However, she saw that the Red Keep wasn't ringing their bell and got extremely frustrated and truly believed the only way to convince cersei to ring her bell is to start murdering innocents. Still wasn't the best move.
Achara 32:43 totally agree with you. cute response to Jaby.
Moral of the story when we have limited identity we always wants to protect that identity....for cersei her identity is limited to herself and her family.....so being a leader she can't think of the well being of her people....Therefore a leader must have larger identity.....like John snow....I think he deserve to be the king of seven kingdom....
Jon making out with Dany could've saved Kings Landing.
Yeah, Jon should've taken one for the team and slept with his aunt. Lol.
Is Arya the Azhor Ahai?
But many said it is Jon snow. But just looking at that *only* horse standing like it was just for her, made it look like she was the Azhor Ahai?!
Danny just broke, missandei died and her last words were dracarys I.e but this town to hell, grey worm was drooling for carnage, Varys betrayed her, people don’t love her. The one person I am pissed of with is John. John had a chance to end all this so many chances he could have taken the throne, he could have stopped ed her before that last kiss. Man John should accept his destiny to qual all this blood shed.
I feel so bad for the Lannisters for the first time ever. This is the moment i have been waiting for but i dont feel good at all especially after The bell rings...and daenerys still slaughter them all. Jaime and tyrion scene moved me to tears...😢
Varys was trying to poison Danerys. Pay attention to his conversation with his little birdy. He deserved it and more than that contributed one more step to pushing dany where she went.
And I also gotta say, as much as Dany has been shown to try to save women and children in the past, she has also had to be talked out of burning cities to the ground including all the women and children more than once before. All the people who have tried to talk her out of that are either dead or have betrayed her.
Everytime we face the hard challenges, everytime we feel afraid of putting our own lives before others, everytime we buy a roast chicken from the supermarket, we will always remember your name...
Sandor Clegane, the man who conquered all his fears at the very end
"Tyrion is the most intelligent" Each and every one of his plans as the queen’s hand was a colossal failure!!!!!!!
Those "innocent" people cheered when joffrey ordered Ned's head to be executed. Rioted at every chance they got and hurled garbage at Cersei during her walk of shame. I know not everyone was a jerk in King's landing but thats the thing, in politics and war there are citizens who pay collateral. Dany always said I will take what is mine by fire and blood. Last episode Cersei challenged Dany by killing her best friend and her dragon (child). Then took human shield and locked herself in the Red keep. When Dany saw the red keep when bells were tolling, it triggered all the past and recent wounds. She made it personal, to take revenge on everything that was taken from them. The red keep is a symbol of downfall of Targaryen dynasty. She remembers it all, she wasn't such a child when that happened.
yeah I also cried that Tyrion and Jaime scene was very sad the brothers will never see each other again
I actually thought Achara's going to cry at the end. she looks cute about to cry
Tyrion had to go to his queen and confess Varys's treason not because of his fealty to the her but because Varys made it clear during their last conversation that he was adamant on killing Dany to secure Jon's birth right ! I'm sure Tyrion knows deep down that Jon is a better ruler but according to him that doesn't mean that Dany has to die for it ! (but that's before she decided to go on her mad-queen-killing-spree I guess...)
Remember when Dany and Jon went for a dragon ride in episode 1? Yeeeeeaaaaaaah.
Why is noone talking about brilliant portrayal of emotions by Emilia ?
Also Jaby u r so right about Daenerys not killing people .They just did it to make her a villain !
AND YET, EPISODE 5 WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES.I LOVED IT!!! Basically I stopped caring about most of the characters after 8x3 but there was one villian I had almost forgotten about and one I never expected to see getting their due... The inhabitants of King's Landing. Tyranny is made possible by the people and not otherwise. This is a hard truth and a harsh justice. Daenerys delivered it with tears in her eyes. A society that lets injustice rule is culpable for denying the Law. Thus when tyranny is permitted to go unpunished, the inbalance will fall upon the masses so the pit may still be fed its due. Then a voracious, predatory, indiscriminate Doom will be set loose upon an unsuspecting people in order to claim its rightful meal.
And after all was said and done, Arya rode off into the sunset. BRAVO GOT! I LOVED IT!!!
Or, to rephrase the same principle in slightly different terms
Every time a teardrop falls, a little flower grows,
otherwise there could be no beauty in this world at all.
But whenever injustice goes unpunished
an innocent little flower will die
so that everyone has something worth crying about.
I felt Dany's storyline was a huge pendulum swing but in slow motion. Seven seasons in one direction of liberating people, crushing the wheel (ending slave nations, ending male dominated Dothraki culture), uniting people for a certain goal to get the iron throne and break the wheel. Yet, as the pendulum swing back, there was this goal of having Dany be the Mad Queen based on all the foreshadowing of coin flips, her father the Mad King. But it was so contrived how they did it. Dany had it all, she could have taken Kings landing easily with her full army, 3 dragons and Westerosi allies. Yet..... setback after setback losing her allies like Olenna, Sandnakes, and Yara. Then losing a dragon, then most of the Dothraki, unsullied, Jorah. Then another Dragon and Missandei. Meanwhile she noticed no one loved her. They talked about Jon. They showed Sansa hugging Theon. They showed Starks not warming up to Dany. Jon telling his secret becoming a threat to Dany's claim. Then her advisors Varys and Tyrion going against her. Finally the one last main person (other than Greyworm/army/last dragon) Jon who could have kept her sanity by saying something like he loved her, rather he said his Queen (and nothing above that). She said "Fear". The writers literally chipped away everything Dany cared for, her morals, her children, - made her fall in love only to take that, too and her goal of the iron throne to taken away by a bigger claim in Jon. Doesn't that seem contrived as a way to make it so Dany turns insane, depressed, mad that she just killed innocent people street by street. Push all of Dany's buttons to get this specific result.
You can do anything when you have power above all....
She kept saying " the eyeball, the eyeball, like she's already seen it before this reaction..
I feel maybe dany will summon Sansa to kings landing.... And history will be repeated... Maybe she would want to burn her alive and either Jon will kill dany and join the nightswatch... Or Arya will kill dany and Jon might die in this fight as well. That would be a bitter sweet ending. But the only question is who would sit on the Iron Throne then.
C'mon! Arya was told that she would kill Green eyes too!
Cersei and Dany are Green eyed. With one possibly gone, *Arya* also after she saw all that massacre Dany did, *would kill Dany* with maybe Jon's face.
And Jon might retire to Castle Black as he wished from the start with *Sansa taking the throne* with Tyrion(her husband) being her hand and *Arya being the Lord of North* (she also said she couldn't be someone's Lady when proposed)
All this is bcz the writers said it would be a *bitter sweet ending*
I understand Daenerys' feeling. It is like that angel who saved the slaves from the Egyptian army and later on they betrayed that angel and worship other gods. The angel thought about destroying them all at the mountain, but Moses plead for their case and lead them out of the Mount Sinai.
There is also the part in the old testament where they traded God for a king in 1 Samuel 8: God promise them a king, but the king will enslave them and kill them for his sake. So maybe in Daenerys' mind it is better for them to die than to become a slave to a king. It is an act of "MERCY" for her.
Damn Daenerys went rogue burned the hell out of the people of kings landing she completely turned into the mad queen by completing her fathers work
Finally, "DANAY FULFILLED his FATHERS DREAM".
Jaby and Achara, loved you guys like always. But I don't agree with you when you say that Daenerys hasn't been the Mad queen like before. You need to watch since Season 1 again. Daenerys is always someone who has a cold reaction to death, even to her brother's death, who was her only family. And Daenerys has always enjoyed burning people and watching them die with a smirk. We just never felt it was evil because she was killing people who happened to be bad. But now she's doing the same thing. Killing people because she thinks is justified. She has always maintained that killing people is justified for the greater good. She's always had this mad side to her. It's just being unleashed fully now. She's threatened to crucify and burn people before. She didn't even show any regret when she finds out that she burned Sam's parents. Daenerys was always meant to be the Mad Queen. She's worse than her father.. She did finally what he always wanted to do. Burn them all.