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2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP) is a chemical that is not approved for weight loss. It is a classic case of efficacy, but without safety in the setting of weight loss. This setting of weight loss can be prone to chemical misuse, further exacerbating understanding in human systems. It is not recommended as weight loss can absolutely happen without use of DNP. Christopher is one of 2 - 3 cases documented in literature to have survived an accident with DNP for weight loss. As of 2021, one organization has permission from the US FDA to investigate DNP in some neurodegenerative disorders. These are rare diseases with limited standards of care, therefore that is extenuating circumstances to find anything that could potentially improve patient outcomes.
These cases are patients who I, or my colleagues have seen. They are de-identified and many instances have been presented in more depth in an academic setting. This video is identified with approval of the patient, and he makes an appearance for interview in this video. These videos are not individual medical advice and are for general educational purposes only. I do not give medical advice over the internet, see your physician in person for that.
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Hey “CE” here, just wanted to stop by and express how amazing working with Chubbyemu was! I can't thank him enough for helping share this story and lessons within!
Massive props for sharing your story. It can't have been easy.
Ok. (My sincere apologies for my terrible english, as it is not my first language or mother tounge as some people might call it. Again, sorry for my poor use of the english language. I assure you such bad usage will not come from me again as it is not proper. I will not use this language called english until I fully learn the grammatical and vocabularic limits of it)
@@idontgetthejoke9465 yes
@@idontgetthejoke9465 Maybe
I was thinking that the story might have related to you after reading the title, and I’m glad again that you’ve managed to make a recovery. Your work is going to help others, being open about mental health as a dude is hard, as I know that from my own experience but is something that we need to do more to ensure others wont suffer in silence.
“Didn’t want the financial cost of an ambulance...” is such a sad sentence to hear
'Merica
USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!!
Ended up with the financial destruction of an ICU admission
Merica numba won! Merica numba won!
your card has been declined.
"Presenting to the emergency room, unconcious."
Damn, that's impressive. I can barely manage to present to a group when I'm awake.
Nice one!
Bruuuuuh
Hey why are you presenting this information to us naked? 🤣 (But trying to be mean, just trying to give everyone a little laugh during the thing causing some places to be in lockdown)
Good joke but nit very good here.
@@Omnishredder ..ok...
As a non-American, the idea of turning away an ambulance when I'm in a dangerous medical situation because it might _cost too much_ is just...terrifying.
It's standard here
Yup no system is perfect. I also hear of the wait times with single payer healthcare and those also sound horrifying.
I wonder if there is a place where you can get seen relatively fast and for relatively inexpensive.
I ask too much though. It’s probably one or thr other or sometimes neither
@@justinabajian1087 That 'long wait time' thing gets exaggerated a lot, generally by those who have motivation to support the kind of systems seen in places like the states. The states has about average wait times compared to other countries, regardless of the overall medical systems in place.
@@Cellidor I just looked it up. 18 week wait times often in UK. No thanks
@@justinabajian1087 for what exactly? A&E waiting times are around 30m-5h here depending on how bad your case is. my mum was seen to in 2h from her leg injury stemming from insect bites
We as a society HAVE to start talking about body dysmorphia and EDs in men. Not enough people realize that things like pushing yourself too hard in the gym or trying "fitness hacks" to lose weight can be forms of self-harm. Yet this huge wave of "diet culture" is so prevalent in the US. I hope there comes a day when everyone has a healthy relationship with their bodies.
There's so much money to be made in the diet industry and that's all it is they don't care about your health they don't care what's going to happen to you all they care about is how much money they're going to make off of it. We need serious conversations about how we can revamp our Healthcare System so that we don't need these kind of diet and supplements and harmful drugs that just destroy your body. I actually think we should imitate the EU Health System for Medicare for all because that is a wonderful program.
Please don't call it self harm. It's self-destructive, not self-harm. Big difference.
@@Thepresident498it’s causing harm to the body as a method of self-soothing or ‘coping’ with an awful situation, it’s self harm. Self destructive behaviour would be going out and partying when you should be at work / school the next day, or gambling addiction. He was doing this to cope with the loss of his father and body issues, it’s self harm
@@rowan_twigs No, it's not. Self-harm is physically hurting your body with the intention of harming it. Their not doing that in the video. No, he OD'd on drugs in an attempt to lose weight. I don't think he purposefully or wanted to hurt his body. It's self-destructive
@@Thepresident498 causing excess weight loss beyond the norm, knowing it is a dangerous drug to take, is deliberately causing harm, surely?
"The financial cost of an ambulance ride"
That is one of the most American things I've ever heard.
I live in Canada and we pay for ambulances.
@@marks6663 True but it's a few hundred not thousands and basic medical insurance usually covers it
Free where I live in America
And Canadian.
One trip charges $1000 to 2500$ normally
I knew a guy in college that tried this. It made him miserable and extremely hot and sweaty. He dropped some weight and didn't have major issues but he measured it carefully and took a low dose for a month. I kept trying to talk him out of it since I was a chem major and knew it was horrible stuff. He was lucky and didn't suffer any (known as of yet) health problems from it.
This guy? Clen, DNP, thyroid hormone and more all stacked together for 8 MONTHS STRAIGHT? I am really glad he pulled through. He's one in a million lucky to survive that. That's a crazy stack of stuff to put your body through. Not sure I've heard of anyone using Clen, ephedrine, AND DNP together, that's insanity.
Holy SHIT
Yeah, usually people calculate very well in the scene, and start carefully on a low dose, safeguarding against double doses especially with DNP's half-life, only doing it in winter depending on the climate, mitigating adverse effects, etc. In fact, everybody on these forums will try so hard to convince newbies NOT to take it if they're complete beginners. Yes, this drug has been used in the past as an effective weight loss prescription, but one needs to understand it completely before doing it and newbies are not shared into the source for dnp unless they demonstrate they know how to use it and honestly, wield Its power.
And herein lies the biggest problem: eating disorders and body dysmorphia. Not only these must be treated and dealt with, but in men? It's seen very differently and it's truly dangerous. I'm sorry for CE, and I'm sorry for the people who've suffered with eds, and with improper use of dnp. It shouldn't be like this.
The T3 in combo with the other 2 is kore concerning than the ephedrine imo...
Bro took the Chemical that Kills you when you take it. And lived.
oof..
"It's no more dangerous than taking aspirin/acetaminophen." When I was a paramedic I heard that quite a bit for a lot of various substances. I would point out how narrow the therapeutic ranges for ASA/APAP are and that they are actually very, very dangerous, and were one of the most common accidental poisoning/overdose substances I saw. Patients never really seemed to believe me though.
But in this case, DNP is indeed more dangerous than aspirin. Acetylsalicylic acid affects one metabolic pathway by targetting one enzyme, DNP screws your whole metabolism even at s "safe" dose.
It's odd to think about how normal taking acetaminophen is, while it's actually one of the more toxic substances in my house.
Considering how OTC pain relievers are marketed and added to so many medications, it’s not surprising to me at all that so many people think they’re innocuous.
@@rominac1389 there is no safe dose. The drug was removed from the market with that statement.
@@rominac1389☝️ thank you.
Chubbyemu: "CE made a *full* recovery"
Me: "You love to see it"
Perfect!
lol
As opposed to *a* recovery
Was pretty sure he didn't die, since he was alive to be interviewed.
It's wrong. I watched his entire video.
He has permanent kidney damage. His kidneys excrete a lot more fluid than what would be normal requiring him to go to the bathroom every 30 minutes.
That's not exactly a full recovery.
"I didn't want to incur the financial cost of an ambulance ride"
America, Land of the Fee.
As much as I normally hate it when people rag on my country, that was a pretty good one
For me, yep, 2 hour stay at Emergency was 7K. Ambulance ride to it, was 4K.
@@farhanyousaf5616 Jesus Christ, hope you're fine now, financially and physically
@@xryeau_1760 your county isn't as good as you think it is, unfortunately
@@farhanyousaf5616 would be cheaper to drive one self with out a drivers license.. that's insane..
me: opens a package of mushrooms that are one day overdue. hears Chubbyemu out of nowhere saying "a man ate mushrooms that were one day overdue. this is what happened to his organs". *sweats intensively*
Yeah, I near paranoid about reheating food or expiry dates. now since discovering chubbyemu
Was worried about reheating 12 hour old fried rice that had been refrigerated
As someone who has struggled with an ED for most their life, I can see why he tried it, I used to use stimulants to control my appetite too. My heart goes out to him and I’m so glad he’s doing better.
Ya ED means something else not eating disorder 🤦♂️
@@HK-gw2ew mate, idk if you’re aware but acronyms can stand for more than one thing. ED is used to mean eating disorder just as often or more often than what you’re referring to.
@@annakaraivanova6936 just chiming in years later to say there's no way ED is used to refer to eating disorder more than erectile dysfunction. Anecdotally I can see how a woman might think that though. Imagine if vaginas just stopped working sometimes y'all would be talking about it a lot too lol
same. got addicted to amphetamines because i started to lose weight.
You're not controlling your appetite using stimulants, you're suppressing it.
An actual interview with the patient? That’s pretty neat
Right - one who's still alive!
@@jenniferlonnes7420 I think it would be hard to interview a patient who is dead...
@@rhyliemasons7957 good time to practice your ventriloquist skills though
@Rylie Breaux-Collins very, very cursed.
I love it!!
"A man inhaled air while watching Chubbyemu. This is what happened to his confidence about staying alive."
yes, hold your breath
Is that a screaming chicken in your pfp?
That pfp tho 🤣
Wtf is that pfp
😂😂😂🤘
I’m glad this was covered though I’m disappointed that this case wasn’t explicitly identified as an eating disorder-it’s really important to talk about this through that lens, since the media only portrays cases of anorexic young women. Men struggle with body dysmorphia and ED too, and so too do people who are fat, and people who “look healthy.”
While this is entirely fair, ChubbyEmu is a PharmD, not a psychiatric professional, so I find it very reasonable that he didn’t attempt to make a diagnosis!
I think also putting an eating disorder label on it makes it seem like it'll only happen to you if you have (or rather sit to having) an eating disorder. It's very easy to deny.
@@deinemutter918 tjat makes no sense. by that logic "labels" (diagnoses) like schizophrenia or bipolar shouldnt exist either cuz someone could have subclinical manifestations of either and do that exact same thing, deny that they have any problem at all, since rheir issues dont meet that clinical threshold to be a particular disorder or some kind.
@@lambiamusic while I believe OP was in good faith I think it’s more ethical and professional that he did not do it
@@personwhoexists8684 So just because the patient refuses to admit they have something means that medical professionals don't know it exists/ can ignore it?
There's a difference between having a problem and admitting to yourself (and others) that you have a problem. Schizophrenia, one of your own examples, causes a paranoia that makes patients unwilling to see a professional because aside from the typical "I'm not crazy" spiel and fear of being locked up in a psych ward that a lot of people get, they also truly believe the professional in question is an alien wanting to suck their brains out through a tube or whatever.
Eating disorders do a similar thing in a more subtle way - the brain ends up believing that being 'too thin' or 'too muscular' or whatever is not possible, that no matter how much people compliment you you're still not good enough, you always have to go further. And people do compliment you for losing weight (at least until you start looking like a skeleton), which reinforces in your mind that what you're doing is *good* - so a lot of people with eating disorders don't want to admit, to themselves or anyone else, that they have an eating disorder. They *want* to continue losing weight without interference, and they will resist the idea of seeing a therapist, psychologist or what have you. The brain is just that invested in protecting its routines and patterns. And if you're anorexic but refuse to let yourself see that you're anorexic, then you can read a million articles about "stuff anorexics do" and go "this does not apply to me" - that's what @@deinemutter918 is referring to.
I had a hemorrhagic stroke caused by 15 to 20 years of extremely high blood pressure.
I spent a week in the neuro unit in the hospital, being given blood thinners to clear out any clots, and then I spent three weeks at an inpatient physical therapy center.
I lost about 20 pounds from a month of hospital food.
I wouldn't recommend the hospital stay diet approach. The results were impressive but the food was like being out in the field in the army, being served T-rations.
I've had a few hospital meals, worst was the lukewarm porridge/oatmeal that tasted like wet cardboard with chunks. Can't even imagine having to eat hospital food for that long
@@heyo9343 idk if it depends on the hospital, when I had to spend months at a time there whenever my mother got sick (she didnt know english very well). sometimes she would share what she couldnt finish and while yea it aint great, its still alright, bland at worst. maybe just me not being a picky eater. tbh if it just took a month of hospital food to lost 20lb, i would do it. obviously not IN said hospital.
The hospital here has room service and you can order as much of whatever you want. And it's all really good! I probably gained a pound or two lol.
The food at Duke is pretty good
If you don’t mind sharing do you know what your blood pressure regularly was?
Woah. The hair regenerated quickly
Probably snapchat filter
Plot twist: His hair is a Time Lord lol
@Nikkolo Machiavelli I'm happy he didn't actually go bald.
Thats why cemo therapy removes ur hair
@@ragerider1392 wtf is cemo therapy
Chubbyemu: “the mitochondria:”
Everyone at the same time: “the powerhouse of the cell”
YES.
me every other biology class
I was looking for this comment
I don't know why but if he didn't say that I would be disappointed
If he's not the next star of a child's educational television series something has gone wrong.
I actually had a biology exam in high-school were we had to explain why DNP was so dangerous. Thanks to biology, my teacher, and now Chubbyemu, I know why it's so dangerous and to never take it.
👏 16:26 👏
"CE," I may not know you, but I want to express how genuinely proud I am of you. Most people would not have humility and altruistic intent to talk about something this personal on camera. You did. Watching you tell your story with the intention helping others avoid the same detrimental mistake fills me with pride and respect towards you. I'm glad you made it friend, stay safe out there, and thank you for sharing your story. 🤟
I imagine the brother in law had the most panicked coca cola/milkshake run ever. Glad CE survived.
This made me chuckle 👌🏻
“YES I WANT FRIES WITH THAT”
He should have kept some emergency milkshakes in his freezer
@@East-Bound thanks for sharing your story, so you could potentially save other people from the same mistake
@@myopicmind6300 he should absolutely not have. Don't consume carbs while on dnp because it will increase how much heat you produce. But then also don't combine dnp with any other weight loss drugs. DNP is the nuclear option.
"CE presents to the Emergency Room unconcious"
Well that isn't good.
"Hi, CE here"
Oh thank God, he isn't dead.
Same
@@kahohui3539 eh..
🤣🤣👏🏿
@pig? that was the real CE tho. He even commented
@pig? you must be good at not looking at the first comment😄
I was on stimulants for ADHD and I accidentally double dosed one morning because I had taken my initial dose and made the mistake of napping right after. Woke up in that post-nap daze, popped them again and my heart rate almost immediately went through the roof. My heart was beating so hard I could feel it in my toes and it sent me into a panic attack. I quit the meds shortly thereafter.
can i have the rest of your meds?
Wow, I don’t think I ever had such a bad reaction. I just get heart palpitations, clammy, cold hands and feeling either really anxious or zombielike and depressed.
Anyone else feel a wave of relief when you hear "They made a full recovery"?
I really liked hearing the patient's side on this one. When things are depersonalized, it's easy for people to make jokes about the Darwin Awards or whatever. But hearing the thought process can better help us understand why people might take actions like this, and can help us understand that many people are susceptible to this without the proper information.
Indeed. I thought it was all just very sad. And it would have been much sadder for his family if he had died. Just a vale of tears. I'm very happy he lived.
Big agree. The comments on ChubbyEmu videos always annoy me, partly because so many of the comments seem to be making fun of the patients being talked about.
@Michael Lisinski i agree i wished they would have more stories where the survivors / victims were interviewed or were able to narrate their story along with chubbyemu and explain in their own words what happened firsthand
People will still make jokes.
@@madkirk7431 Yeah People are kinda crappy unfortunately
This poor guy clearly had an eating disorder. Even before he started taking DNP he was skipping school to exercise. Huge red flag. An ED is often associated with women but men can get it too, and as someone who's suffered from one myself, it can cause you to do all sorts of risky things to lose weight.
I thought about this too, especially because he would bounce between being heavily overweight to heavily lean.
Eating disorder sounds like the person is a victim through no fault of thier own. Where the fuck is dicspline and self control ever recognized in america? sheesh.
@@dylanmcshane9976 As someone who almost died 6 months ago from anorexia, no. Eating disorders are not about "willpower" in any way, shape, or form. It's a method of control, punishment, addiction, and it's often a method of self harm or a coping mechanism for trauma. It can also be a symptom of other mental health disorders, like DID, OCD, BPD, etc. Anyone can get an eating disorder, not just people in the US. Having an eating disorder is serious and life threatening, so please take care talking about ED's.
@@dylanmcshane9976 actually people with EDs are often way too disciplined. To the point it harms them. I was like that. It takes "discipline" to starve yourself and over exercise. But it robs you of every joy in your life, there was a time when every second thought in my head was about weight. Life is about SO MUCH MORE than what you weigh.
The fetishisation of "discipline" and the belief by type-A people that they are weak if they don't lose enough weight, is what causes EDs like this.
Fortunately I'm recovered now but it took 10 years.
@@dylanmcshane9976 easier to pretend you can will away problems and that "discipline" and "self control" are answers, and that people who get sick or hurt are just weak isn't it? Makes you feel safe and like you won't ever suffer.
Its not how the world works, but I get why you're choosing that fantasy
Just in case anyone didn’t know, the “pore” in the mitochondria is called ATP Synthase which is an enzyme, that is imbedded in the mitochondrial membrane, that uses one of the protons in the gradient to do phosphorylation(adding phosphate to something) on one of the ADP to ATP which is very effective and this is where a lot of the body’s ATP(energy) comes from. Very little ATP comes from glycolysis which is where Dr. Bernard said break down more sugar 10:58. Actually you need two ATP to create 4 ATP and 2 pyruvate molecules(3-carbon molecules) from one glucose molecule for glycolysis. This is why your body burns lipocytes(fat cells) to get more energy when the proton gradient is not formed due to DNP. The whole process of donating electrons to the ETC(electron transport chain) with chemiosmosis to turn adp into atp through the ATP synthase is called oxidative phosphorylation.
Ah yes. The Krebs cycle. Fuck you citric acid cycle, fuck you and the nightmares you gave me during bio 12.
Ray Peat
I feel for the guy, a lot of us used the gym as a getaway from how we were growing up and it boosted our confidence but a lot of us also went too far at some point including myself, best of luck to him
"hey dude are you okay??"
"no - I think I'm about to die get me a coke and a milkshake."
"Coming right up."
CE: *naked and barely conscious on the floor*
Brother-in-law: "did you want a diet coke or regular?"
🤣🤣
"We're out of coke, is pepsi okay?"
Brother in law is a good guy.
Not only went to Steak n Shake but called an ambulance for him twice.
After he refused the ambulance I might have decided he was on his own
@@1978garfield Yeah, the guy's brother in law is a good guy. Must REALLY care about his wife and her family to be so persistent about getting his little brother-in-law medical help, and even tell the ER docs about the DNP.
a man who is in serious need of medical help, literally drifting in and out of consciousness refused help that could've been vital for him because he was too worried about the financial costs that could incur with an ambukance... dude wtf is America
A regular ambulance is bad enough, but some towns have private companies for their ambulance service, and those are even more expensive.
@@ambulocetusnatans thats downright bullshit honestly. its like they’re actively searching for ways to leech money, even if they’re in the business of saving people that are literally seconds away from dying
I've been in poor health for awhile and have never been able to afford a car. I've racked up so much debt from ambulance rides alone. It's insane.
@@DiamondDust132 Dude I am so sorry for you honestly I cannot even imagine what thats even like. I’ve known people in your situation too where they just straight up just moved abroad for better healthcare.
Same here. I passed out 3 times while waiting in line at the grocery store and each time got back up, I asked people to not call an ambulance.
Just want to mention, I sweat at a socially unacceptable level all day, every day, 24/7. Our lizard brains tell us, “that person is red and sweaty, that means this person is ill, I feel the need to flee so that me and my family are protected so we can ensure future generations!” It sucks so hard to have people always assume you’re on drugs, sick, homeless, or up to no good that I’m surprised he would take that stuff and go in public. It’s not a good feeling.
Lol
@@nnk.723 Karma has a way of coming back three fold. Life has a way of forcing you to see your mistakes. It’s not unlike a curse, it’s something you can’t shake off, it just keeps coming for you until you’re begging it to stop because you’ve learned your lesson. Have fun with that.
@@nnk.723 and maybe, just maybe Edgard Josh Arciaga, you should put your name in your profile if you’re gonna be a dick.
@@imdoneplus Go take your Meds lmao
@@user-ko4zp1wm2i cant you read? they obviously make him sweat like a pig and make him look homeless and on drugs.
"The thing that goes boom in dynamite" is the best thing this man has ever said.
Came here for the "-emia, meaning presence in blood"
Stayed for the "take care of yourself, and be well"
And got a bonus “mitochondria, powerhouse of the cell” in the process.
@@IJustWantToUseMyName and a "perfectly balanced, as all things should be". He truly is the meme king
A man binged Chubbyemu videos, this how he avoided everything forever.
You mean gas station sushi?
@@asyln1772 Especially gas station sushi! And gas station nachos.
🤚 i see you brother.
Of course i know him, he is me.
Basically, processed food is a no go
A man watched Chubbyemu’s videos. This is why he decided to go for a Tesla.
NO MORE VISIT TO GAS STATIONS.
I can't help but give a big chuckle every time you say "powerhouse of the cell" no matter how serious is the tone of the video
I was tempted to get DNP for my weight lifting and weight loss goals but decided against it because of exactly what happened in this story. Biggest condolences to East-Bound for his loss, but it's great to see you still alive
"The microchondira ᵖᵒʷᵉʳʰᵒᵘˢᵉᵒᶠᵗʰᵉᶜᵉˡˡ produces energy for the body."
Goddamn it he's a genius
I'm so impressed he always fits it in, but one day he'll slip.
How y do that
I always knew that phrase would come in handy someday.
I guffawed at that
I give this guy props for sharing his story. That takes a massive amount of guts. Like...courage guts! Not losing your organ guts. ...Neh, that came out wrong. But seriously dude, thanks!
Yeah, I seriously hope that in the future Chubbyemu does more interviews like this or shows more clips that truly depict the severity of these incidents. Chubbyemu's narration is pretty much perfect but his content could do with some of these people actually talking about their experience. Plus it adds to his credibility as there are a lot of people who doubt these stories are true at all.
I really believe that this channel is making a positive impact on the people watching and making them this little bit wiser.
So well said I actually subscribed lmao
Your text oozes anxiety
@@secnock. how so
@@secnock. Pssh, you can't be a nerdy youtube commentator without a little anxiety! It's what makes us so awkward!
Your comment on what happens to our bodies when been in the ICU needs a chapter of its own. These days with the CoVid still roaming in our society, some people may think that being hooked up to a “respirator” (respiratory machine, or whatever it is called) is just getting tube down you throat for a while and when the danger is over, it’s just to walk out of the hospital.
However I read a description of what has to be done and the hard work of getting back to life afterwards, with months of training to get the body able to sit, stand and walk normally.
On the issue in the video - a friend wrote a booked called “There’s no idea”, meaning there’s no single and SIMPLE idea that will solve all our problems. Loosing weight, getting control of our personal finances, getting fit for a Marathon, stop smoking, stop harming ourselves isn’t a ONE-STEP PROGRAM, or a pill or an app on the phone. We say in Sweden “genvägar är senvägar”, which could be translated into “short-cuts are late routes”.
So, I found a new channel 👍. Interesting!
PS. Tell us something about ephedrine.
12:55 I thought my brain produced an artefact of Philip DeFranco hahaha
"A man had accident with weight loss chemical"
*gets advertisement for weight loss chemicals* wow genius algorithm!
“Their always watching”
@@jaynsilentboom
*they’re
@@lavendermilk3010
*There
@@user-mq4hv9zf9o where might it be then?
@@user-mq4hv9zf9o nope
Me: About to do something dumb
Brain: Chubbyemu: *DON'T* do it.
Why is your brain impersonating a TH-camr
Me: does it anyways
@@distraction5182 You : *gets chronic brain damage and multiple organs shut down*
Me: So tired, gonna drink a few shots of espresso.
My brain: *CHUBBYEMU EXECUTION MUSIC PLAYING*
Chubbyemu sits on your shoulder with wings and a halo.
massive props to CE for sharing his story, and thank you Chubbyemu for the video!
So great to actually have the person affected to speak from experience! Excellent presentation overall!
CE: *dying in the bathtub *
His brother in law: *gets him a coke *
You know he a real one
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It’s fine by me as long as it had his name on it
How are things going home to see if you can help with the owner of the hill email I have a question for the update on this one for me and I will unplug it on my phone and see if I can do that game your playing in the video of the hill and I will be there at the top in a bathroom and I will be there in about an hour or so I can get it back in the morning so I don't have to make a new job and then I can do it on my way to work now and I will be there in about an hr or so I don't have to make a few questions about the from reaper and the from reaper and the fact I didn't know you were you and I'm sorry I missed your call I was t and I will be there at all I just know that I have a few things I can get a free one for me and I will unplug it and get back with me and I have a question for you to pick up the grocers and I will be there at all he just know you are done with the owner of it can't be there at all he just know that you are not a good idea I don't know if you can do it on the street and I will be there at all I have to do with it for you to mom is eating something gayer then satan
@@CARLWASTAKEN c’monnn bro, use punctuation at least
'Presenting' - a polite way of saying 'being hauled in like a sack of potatoes'.
Damn right 😂
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No the medical term of "presenting" also refers to patients that walk-in to the ER with a concern.
@@IAMinCOMMAND32 Shut your cakehole. That was a funny comment. This not a medical conference and eevn then, doctors DO laff at patients who do stupid sh*t.
@@IAMinCOMMAND32 Once again, shut your breadbox. This channel provides information on heaalth and fitness and dieting and the occassional humour from the man himself so get the f*ck off your high horse and settle down. Buddy with the wicked comment found it funny and so do I.
Yer move!
I just want to say thank you for how you present your stories! You’re not only well informed and educated, but so unbiased and nonjudgmental as well! So appreciated, I really love learning about the most random medical issues I’d never thought of from you!
Thank you for giving some sound advice regarding the role that making small, consistent changes plays into losing weight. It's super tempting to go all in in order to see dramatic results quickly, but it is so ineffective in the long-run.
"Mitochondria, powerhouse of the cell"
Oohh, Oohh I know that one. 7 years of biology not wasted
😂😂😂😂
What was the book after "A Swiftly Tilting Planet"? It was about mitochondria. Forever ago.
Gets me every time
The cribs cycle.
Its not even biology knowledge at this point. I'm pretty sure most people ONLY remember that piece of information from the meme lol.
“A man ate an apple a day this is how he kept the doctor away”
Best one!
@@CoryPchajek liver
@@CoryPchajek and maybe the pancreas too lol
@@CoryPchajek the major problem with that is the high sugar intake
@@global8198 it’s not the sugar intake, it’s the fructose intake. Fructose isn’t easily digestable so the body stores it right to the liver, but when you eat 10 apples a day which equals to roughly 110 grams of fructose per day, this excess fructose will be turned into fat, which will cause fatty organs and potentially cause heart disease, but fatty liver is more likely.
this channel save my life.. keep going chubbyemu.. this is so helpful channel.
I love how you switched it up and we can also hear from the actual person it happened to. Would love to see more of this 🏆🏆🏆
The inclusion of CE himself in this video helps remind viewers that, as interesting as the videos on this channel are, it’s important for our own humanity to see the patient as a person and not to reduce their stories to objects of voyeurism.
Very true. I work in nutrition services. We had a cook with a particularly bad attitude about special orders due to dietary restrictions. We took him to meet a patient one day, and when we returned to the kitchen, he said, "Man. And I thought *I* was having a bad day." He never complained about a special order again.
Well put.
The TikTokers, alchohal drinkers and soya sauce overdosers on this channel have no redemption. They are idiots.
Indeed. There is a human behind each of these videos and statistic about any illness or condition. Kinda makes one think twice before they make an “emia” joke. I hope.
Well the diff with CE, is he was at emotional loss while being bound by the social stigma of "Popularity"
most of the "victims" were garbage eating idiots who failed to use google or common sense.
Simply put CE was brainwashed by stress and social anxiety to not seek help.
that is a case that is based on tormented and confused, not lax and stupid.
This story is a good example of male body image issues. Men can feel the same way as women do about their bodies, but they don’t realize it or don’t want to talk about it. Please talk to someone if they show signs of this extreme or if you feel the same!
Yeah, as soon as he said that he used food as well as food restriction to cope with personal problems, and that he skipped school to exercise so he would lose weight more quickly, I was like "yeah let's call it what it is, dude has an eating disorder".
@@Solmaz_S I mean, we won't really know how prevalent it is if men don't like to talk about it. But I don't think numbers really matter in this case, these people are suffering.
@@Solmaz_S tthe difference between breast cancer and bullying is that 1 is completely dependent on biological factors vs bullying can happen to anyone. We don't know because men don't talk about it.
@@Solmaz_S the difference is male breast cancer rates generally stay very low, and have always been low. However, male body image issues have exploded in recent years due to social media
@@Solmaz_S Male breast cancer is low. Male body image issues are easily at or greater than womens issues.
I love when they actually are in the episode. Helps grasp their thought process
“To be relaxed means to be perfectly balanced, as all things should be”
"I didn't want to incur the cost of an ambulance" yeah people do actually die over this. Welcome to the USA
Ah yes. 'Murica, where the cost of ambulance kills otherwise treatable people.
its really sad
I shouldn't have to put my tax dollars towards someone who made as stupid of a decision as the patient in this video made. Same goes for drug addicts. If you want to do so, then go to Denmark and pay a 50% income tax.
@NMK if someone on your family had terminal cancer and your only option for them to stay alive is to ask for money from a charity because your job doesnt pay you enough than you would reconsider perhaps
@@itismedio1684 I've had people in my family receive life-saving open heart surgery in the last couple years alone, as well as numerous hospital and doctor visits. We don't pay a cent because we are a union family and our union collectively bargained for the best private healthcare available in the US.
If single-payer/ACA healthcare was passed in this country, we would lose our private healthcare and be stuck with much worse coverage, higher premiums, and would have to wait in lines like the Canadians and Europeans do. I shouldn't be punished because my family worked hard and was involved in a dying organized labor movement that could ensure you actually get quality coverage.
I’m a psychologist and I’ve had three patients who experienced something like this. All three of them had recently lost a parent shortly before this happened.
If your a pschologist, why the hell are you sharing that info on youtube? Dont you have a wow of silence and patient confidentiality? You could be legally charged by stuff like this. -_-
@@SetTheFallen only if he named them, dimwit. Also, what kind of doctor takes a “vow of silence”? FFS read a book and learn something
@@SetTheFallen Hey man, HIPPA says as long as you don’t give a name!
Also, if that were the case, this channel would not exist, nor case studies. There’s a reason why we use initials.
@@SetTheFallen Confidentiality is very important but it’s not breaching it to say “I’ve had patients who. . .” It’s only a breach if you give identifying information. That’s why this doctor uses initials and not the name of the patient. Medical doctors have the same confidentiality laws as psychologists and therapists.
@@clascaulfieldjr3653 so the fact that you defently identify your patients by saying "recently lost" doesnt count according to your half assed morals. =_=
Your info is defently being traced, and whoever knows you irl will defently be able to figure out which of your patients it is. And maybe even your patients are reading this. Your half assed moral might ruin peoples trust. I hate shrinks like you. =_=
I had one, and never again, screw your kind of shrinks.
Thank you for spreading awareness about this
This doctor is so effortlessly brilliant. Love Chubbyemu.
It is so incredibly important for us to remember that men struggle with eating disorders too. Mental illness knows no gender.
Thank you for your insight. This is a real problem for many men and no one talks about because they say it's seksist
I'd give you a thousand likes if I could. This message is IMPORTANT!
@@supercunthunt7756 no, you've gotten it wrong. people don't talk about it BECAUSE of sexism; men are discouraged from opening up about emotional issues because that's seen as being feminine (it's not) and men are supposed to be manly
@@DocterWaffles no people do say it’s being sexist if you talk about having an eating disorder
@@DocterWaffles Exactly, I was just about to say this myself. Sexism hurts men because of the expectation to be macho and never show weakness, even if it kills them.
"Miracle" chemicals and drugs are prone to survivor's fallacy.
The dead tell no tales
I was going to comment that myself.
But they lift. Daisies.
@@MoltenMouseMetal You calling us daisies for criticizing use of drugs? Just because they lift doesn't make drug use any less dangerous. You can lift without drugs.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 No, the dead guys are pushing up daisies XD
@@neurofiedyamato8763 from someone who's actually used this drug successfully multiple times, it is actually quite safe in the normal dosage range. The dose makes the poison with everything.
The problem with it is that it takes quite long to work, so people take more because they can't feel it working, and then all of a sudden it all hits at once.
I love this chap's openness and honesty.- well, now.
I always like it when you say, "Full Recovery". Good to hear.
Chubbyemu had an accident with a weight loss chemical. He is now SkinnyEmu
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love how the brother in law found the dude lying in the shower, unresponsive, and when said dude says "get me coca cola and a milkshake" the brother in law goes and does it. what a legend
Yes he helped him out a lot. Oh bro was in for a painful ride !
ikr, you would think an ambulance would be a priority not a milkshake and soda lol
@@krispynachos9980 As someone with a little personal experience, the brother in law probably didnt know if he should or not and was too anxious to make the call right away. Sometimes the line between quite sick and just needing help and needing urgent medical attention is really hard to tell
Hey CE, just want to say your interview by Chubby emu was very professional and eloquent. So glad you had a brother-in-law!
One of your best episodes. CE, I'm glad you're still here, hope you've been doing better.
The fact that Americans, especially young Americans are frightened to call an ambulance because of the cost is shocking!
It's the way it is here. You will CRAWL if you have to, but unless you are out and/or actually dying....no ambulance, for god's sake.
it’s really disgusting and makes my heart hurt. it shouldn’t be this way. totally fucked up
Yes, I agree. Healthcare cost is ridiculous in America, it's for profit, even though hospitals are non-profit.
In 2006, the volunteer ambulance sent my hubby a bill for 1k. He had a heart irregularity. It's probably 2k now.
The serious problem is that people are due to social mores left over from the great depression and the attitudes that it instilled in the population. The fact is that cost is only one of the things that discourage people from seeking help from medical professions sooner rather than later, there is also the concept that seeking such help is a sign of weakness. This ironically causes medical care to be more expensive here because by the time that many people actually get help the problem is much harder and more expensive to treat.
Socialized Healthcare is not free except to those who are totally dependent on other social programs as well. If you pay into a socialized system, you are paying for it even when you dont use it at all. Its not free though the per incident cost may be low or non existent it also has limits to what it can accomplish.
Makes you wonder how many die each year just because they didn't want to be stuck with a life-crippling bill.
If I keep taking a shot of Jack every time he says "powerhouse of the cell", Imma end up in the next episode.
Chances are you would be passed out drunk before that happened.
Or when he says that -emia means presence in blood
A Man Took a Shot of Vodka Everytime a Scientific TH-camr Said a Phrase in their Videos. This is What Happened to his Liver.
every time he says power house of the cell I repeat it out loud for amusement
it’s mitochondrial
Good job Bernard, another riveting lecture, top notch science discussion with useful commentary and warnings about DNP.
Good recovery CE, hope you will continue in the best health.
I like that your advice is delivered like a down to earth friend. It’s like you really be out here watchin out for us 😢😂 appreciate the great content
"Don't do what this person did" should absolutely be the motto of this channel.
@Mendoza Juan your mom
@@user-jo5bj5lt4u You're so mature aren't ya?
It's really nice to hear he made a "FULL RECOVERY". When in a lot of cases, not just this one, you usually say made "A RECOVERY".
There was a reply on someone's comment about how after the recovery he had to pee every 30 mins
”A recovery” ”FULL recovery” would get your point across better
@@chairmanm7686 I assume he says that when the person does not recover to the state they were before the incident.
@@chairmanm7686
he once said "a recovery"
after the patient awoke from coma losing 10 fingers + all legs below knee
yea i can see betterness
@@AlOqab_ If you don't make "a recovery"... You're dead.
Have to admit, when I read the title of this video, I thought about how those old "fat blocker" weight loss pills were, shall we say, a threat to the freshness of users' pants.
Do those pills, like, prevent your system from absorbing fat out of your food? That does sound like a great way to lubricate your stool.
It's kind of funny because fat doesn't actually make you fat, it is usually excess carbs that do it. Would be great as a stool softener though.
@@vaykoden793 Exactly!
@@YuBeace If it's the one I'm thinking, what it does is trapping the carbohidrate molecule into a bond, so your body can't process this new molecule, and you just shit it out.
It's pretty safe. Still I wouldn't relay on an aditive.
I really like this story and you bringing the subject of the story in to help tell it. It was very interesting and added a layer of realism to this. I hope you do another!
"I was afraid it was illegal and didn't want to incur the cost of an ambulance ride"
The real villians here are the US medical and legal establisments.
To be fair to the US legal system, many states (such as Texas, my state) have specific laws that grant immunity from prosecution for drug related crimes and alcohol related crimes (e.g. minor in possession) when seeking medical assistance, precisely because they don't want to deter people from seeking medical help when they need it.
Unfortunately, few people are aware of these laws, so there are often cases where people don't call for help when they should, even though they have nothing to fear from the law. As here, the patient was incorrect--his use of this chemical wasn't illegal--and his unfounded fear made him reluctant to tell the doctors what they needed to know.
@@vanessahutcheson9510 it's also illegal to own pyrex flasks in texas.
land of the free
@@ascendedchairmanofthelemur9711 That's not quite correct; glassware (under the Pyrex brand or other brands) is not prohibited and never was.
Because they were potentially used for making drugs or explosives, there was a requirement that any owner of such glassware obtain a permit, but that was repealed in 2019. It remains that if glassware is stolen, the owner must report the theft to the police.
Certainly I'm well aware that our laws are a mess; I live here, after all. I'm not trying to "defend" or argue the relative merits of our legal system. I simply wanted to take the opportunity to make people aware of lesser-known laws that could potentially save lives.
True true and the politicions as well and the corrupt higher ups weird control society gang organizations thingy:p.
Nah, the real villains are the fitness models and bodybuilders who promote this lifestyle of using different kinds of drugs to kids, as well as promoting body image disorders and eating disorders
i feel like many men in the fitness/body building community suffer from eating disorders and/or body image issues but people don't really talk about it
Omg they definitely talk about it.
And?
@@theoutsider4021 men complain that they don't get to express their emotions in contrast to women. so maybe they should start expressing their emotions.
@@johnkennedy1939 i’ve never heard a man complain about how he can’t express his emotions
@@theoutsider4021 and?
"To be relaxed means to be balanced, as all things should be."
I just can't not love you mate.
After binging several videos, I'm so glad I found this channel :)
As a chemist who fancies reading about medicine, I love that you actually show the structures of molecules mentioned in your videos (helps with figuring out how they might react in the described case, sometimes it happens that I may be right, and it's super satisfying), and the extensive references in the description (even though I might not understand everything in these papers, the last time I had biology classes was in high school).
And the subtle memeing, yes. Me gusta.
"So I supplemented that with supplements" is the most bodybuilder thing I've ever heard lol
"yo dawg i heard you like supplements, so we put supplements in yo supplements so you can supplement while you supplement"
When he double dosed he was supplementing the supplement with a supplementary supplement
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Was thinking the same! you take 6 things to grow and another 6 to not end up dead or with tits from the first 6 and then you take another 14 cause you got sponsors now which leads to needing eating another 10 to not die from liverfailure or kidney colapse!
It's cool seeing the real people showing their stories.
Though I hope I never collab with ChubbyEmu...
Why not, he sounds like a cool dude. Wanna collab with me tho?
@@rage-quitcentral5038 You wouldn't want to collab with him because it means you almost died lol
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thx for explaining
Would you change your mind if it was "SkinnyEmu" or "SexyEmu"?
@@TheGIGACapitalist hahahaha right I think he didnt get it.
I love the random memes interspersed in the video told in such a straight manner. Makes me crack up every time. But besides that your content is incredibly informative and interesting, keep it up!
Man... I remember when Chubbyemu answered a message I sent him on Instagram talking about how the quality of his channel was on another lvl
Thanks for never stop improving, it got even better.
Americans be like: Hmmmm... am I dying fast enough to justify the cost of an ambulance ride?
@flim A small number of patients to a smaller number of doctors compared to the US. You think there's magic doctors that fall from the sky or that half the European population is doctors?
yuppppppp
@@thehochmaster2 What destroys the US medical market is the weird mix of private and public insurance and healthcare that has enough barriers to entry and regulation to make it difficult for competition to occur but are private enough that they can control the market without much intervention from the government
@@signs80 sure, which is why we ought to skip the free market entirely for matters of public health. You don't have a choice to be healthy and alive or not, it isn't a choice you can afford to make without dying. Private insurance counts on this fact, and charges whatever the hell they feel like charging.
@@thehochmaster2 I totally agree. There should not be a profit motive when it comes to healthcare. And the insurance industry is such a mess, the amount of resources dedicated to billing all these different companies with different plans and policies, all so they can profit off people with terminal illnesses. If there was only a single payer plan, so much money would be saved in billing alone, but unfortunately special interests make billions off the current backwards system and fight tooth and nail against any attempts to make good healthcare more accessible and less financially devastating. It really is such a mess in the US, and so many people have no idea how these things actually work until they get stuck with thousands in medical bills.
"Naked in the shower"
What'd she expect? To see him in a full tuxedo eating a four course meal?
That’s what I do in the shower, why? What do you do?
But you should never get naked in someone else's shower.
@@jenakuns Unless you're actually use it for it intended purposes
@@jenakuns and talking about that
I use to have a Dream about that
Who the hell is "She"??? 🙄
It's wonderful to have an informed MD address some of the more exotic internet available substances, especially ones that have mixed results advertised as "safe." Thank you Chubbyemu! Happy Holidays!
Thank you for sharing this story. Many in the weightlifting community need to see this!
Anyone watching this whose watching this and weightlifting…. “Do NOT do this!” Your life is worth more than this!
This channel brings to view anything in excess is “extremely dangerous!”
“Perfectly balanced as all things should be “
-Thanos and Chubbyemu
"Uh oh."
Yeee
Scrolled down to see if anyone had beat me to it lol
who did it better though.
@@user-wl8kk5kn6v both did
Huge respect to his brother in law for being an absolute champ as well
This comment speaks volumes about society. You're basically saying you respect him because he found someone lying naked and incoherent in the shower and DIDN'T let the person die...
this deserves more like but don't, its at 69
My brother again i found you
Ay is you
I like how his bros first response upon hearing the shower running is to open the door 😳😳💀
Loved the video! Really cool hearing it from the patients perspective
I salute you sir, you are a credit to the hypocritical oath. Education of the people is paramount to preventive medicine. I admire your low key and unobtrusive approach to sponsors, in fact the short explanation and recommendation by you tends to draw one to the product and to seriously consider buying or sampling the product. You don't bambard us with explosively loud commercials. Which leads me to believe that your primary concern is towards education and the health of we viewers rather than towards remuneration and lucre. You're a breath of fresh air in this materialistic world. Keep up the good work, remember the heroes or your field were not remembered for how famous they were or how much money they made, but for the impact on humanity for their life's work. Many if not most unsung. I tally up how many prevented accidents, poisonings, overdoses, and infections that your work does and I deem it incredible! Also remember there is One who tallies the selfsame who is greater than us all the reward of that tally cannot be lost.Keep up the good work! An avid viewer...CCB
"I know I'm dying, and you're about to put me into a medically induced coma and all, but I really don't want to get in trouble for taking drugs, so I guess I'll just die."
He DIDN'T know he was dying, he was being lied to profusely by those forums telling him he would be just fine
EVIL people abound, don't trust what you read on the internet
@@lilstardrops This is why skepticism is useful
Fear in this case; it's not stupidity, its panic.
He's not like the garbage eating morons, he was in a severe psychological complex by his fathers death, paired with social stress and the PTSD of from being bullied.
So its more shock than ignorance.
Not mentioning all of the psychological and social factors you're ignoring, he also didn't want to pay for or burden his family with the inevitable medical bills which, in the US, will likely bankrupt you.
@@lilstardrops I've read those same forums, even the specific thread CE showed a screenshot from in this video, no one lied and he absolutely knew what was happening (unless he was just too out of it). Every resource I've ever seen on DNP pounds into you that this compound builds up in your system and will flat out cook you alive if you take too much. He was likely taking a borderline dose and then he accidentally doubled up. I get it accidents happen he was desperate and this is a dangerous thing to do. It's an insidious drug that provides fast results, and more results the more you take, right up until it kills you. However, I think it's a bit unfair to categorize the people in those forums as evil. Nothing happened to this guy that wasn't entirely expected from what he was doing and the people on these forums aren't the ones selling the compound.
You're in a great country when one of the deciding factors of whether you go to the ER or not is the ambulance ride cost.
Exactly - that someone has to even think that way, is a tragedy in itself!
@Jamilah Toenailkilla Ah, well - there's a good reason we Brits say, "thank God for the NHS"!
@Jamilah ToenailkillaEven as a proportion of GDP though, our total health spend *per* *person* is only half that of the US, and so nothing to do with population size - yet still, we have objectively better health outcomes, zero medical bankruptcies, and can call an ambulance when needed without worry of financial compromise!
@Jamilah Toenailkilla That's not really how it works, GDP and tax revenue grows with population.
My country (Mexico) and Brazil easily have over 100 million people and we still have socialized healthcare
Thank you for sharing your personal story. Thank you Dr for all you teach us about
I love your content and you effectively explain technical concepts. CE’s story is similar to mine, only different drugs and psychosis. I have narcolepsy and complex apnea. After being prescribed armodafinil I looked for stronger and more effective results to prevent my “sleeping spells” after I developed a tolerance.
Eventually I “crashed” , and corrected my self diagnosis and treatment.
"You'll be fine!"
The best and worst advice you can get on the internet.
You'll be fine!!1!1
*dies*
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"CE's body was HOT." Okay then.
If a doctor says it, it must be true
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I mean, it is. CE is a cutie.
I thank you for posting these very informative videos. We should all know more about the medical effects of various compounds and so forth. You are a god send!
Amazing explanation of what is happening in the mitochondria. This sort of thing is why getting into a medical school is so hard -- knowing chemistry and physics is important to doctors.