Love the statement about how it doesn’t matter if it’s Side by Side or Over and Under. I’ve shot both for the last 20 years, 12 bore Side by Side and 20 bore O/U, had them both fitted properly and shoot clay and game successfully. I’m a real fan of having a good fitted professionally.
Thank you so much for your teaching videos. Your manner of teaching reminds me of a fly fisherman casting on a stream. Elegant and classy. Here in the states, so much teaching sides almost on vulgarity. Seems most of it emphasizes on who has the newest gun, or who can shoot the fastest, or shoots the largest caliber! Just the way you close the action of your gun, compared to here in the states, they slam it closed, almost with the same force used when chopping wood with a hatchet! Thank you SO MUCH for sharing your expertise!
My son's best shotgun is a 100 year old LC Smith . He was the best on our team. A gun smith like what you described said it fit perfectly and it did. He was the best on our team. Everyone still believed he would've been better off with anything other than a side by side.
Awesome video - thank you. I’m a new 54yo shooter and have taken up the sport to spend time with my 12yo son who loves clay shooting. We can’t find anyone in our area who is skilled with gun fit so your video is great. I am about to purchase a Miroku sporter with adjustable comb - otherwise we can’t shoot. There are only gun shops locally and there are no shooting schools. Maybe the oxford gun club - will create a virtual fitting service :). Thanks again - I love this channel.
Dad was a marksman and said one time that you really don't need to put a shotgun to your shoulder. Just shoot from the hip. He always brought me to gun movies.and in the movie " Thunder ball " Sean Connery shoots a shotgun from the hip.
I truly appreciate your videos. Can you please show what to do if the adjustable comb wont go low enough . I really believe you probably forgot more about fitting than most will ever learn
I shoot low gun instead of premounting it while shooting clays to more closely duplicate bird hunting and have found that I prefer a comb thats parallel to the bore axis so no mater where my cheek lands on the comb due to surprises of bird path and direction, my eye will ALWAYS be consistently at the correct hight and line up with the rib. A sloping comb will produce different eye heights if you're not consistent with getting your cheek weld in the same exact spot each and every time while low gun shooting.
He definitely took a sniff of that gun at 4:00. Lol! Just bought my 15 year old daughter a Remington 870 20 gauge yesterday and sniffed the crap out of it. It's like smelling a new car or pair of shoes.
I've shot both and found the Beretta Shoots flatter and more precisely on equal chokes... Browning is like a Shovel and generally weightier... jus' saying 😏👍
It’s fascinating - shot Berettas for 40yrs - then tried a Browning and now they’re the only make in the cabinet ( well except a Mossberg Hushpower 410). No rights, no wrongs it’s whatever works for you.
Its all a matter of opinion - I have a Browning 525 / Beretta 686 and an AYA Boxlock 4 in the cabinet and enjoy them all. Browning has the best thump whereas the Beretta is easier to handle being thinner and slightly lighter. Have to say I enjoy the AYA SBS the most, nice and light and has a bigger punch, only downside is the barrels get rather hot when they get a few hundred quick cartridges through them!
Mr. Florence is correct when he states that it should not matter which type of barrel configuration you shoot . Both types should produce equally. The problem as I see it is as follows: apart from having a gun that fits the shooter,the shooter must learn to concentrate solely on the target(that's why gun fit is so important). Here's the rub, if you shoot with a type of sustain lead or pull ahead of the target to establish a lead and then fire,etc.(as many do when shooting clays) you will have a tendency to notice the end of your barrel in relationship to your target. A o/u sight plan will give you a more precise sight picture than will a double barrel. In effect you are aiming rather than shooting your gun as you would with the swing through method. But, even with the swing through method your peripheral vision will still register a difference in the sight plane in relation to the target regardless if you see a lot of rib or only the front bead. Here is something to ponder. Have you ever shot skeet (for example) with 12ga. and then had a chance to shoot a .410 ? You probably had a hard time hitting the clay. Your sight picture seemed off. You seemed to have to lead the clay further than you did with your 12ga. Actually ,if the .410 fit you well enough to give you a good sight picture everything should work the same(minus a smaller payload of shot). What you really experienced was a noticeable difference in the size of the barrel in relation to your target. Get a gun that fits you. Concentrate on your target. Develop a shooting style that works for the type of discipline your interested in pursing. And, yes pitch is important when fitting your gun. .
My Beretta 682L Sporter from 1985 weighs nearly 9lb, it certainly aint no lightweight delicate Italian gun! Neither was the Perazzi MX4 I had before that come to think of it.
Another aspect regarding stock length relates to weather conditions and how outer layers of clothing can throw Guns off their game. Especially if they're unused to shooting in foul weather while wearing waterproofs and additional layers. Get comb height right and cast ............ the rest follows.
This is really interesting about the stock. I shoot a browning 28" 325 game g5 reasonably well, I also have 2 ugarchea's both very similar, 1 parker hale import the other a blue box lox which don't shoot well at all, I have put a leather pad on, & I'm guessing that the heel of the but is not correct... ??
David, your videos are informative and easily understood. Here in Northern Virginia USA, do you know of a school and fitting establishment to go to in person?
I bought an antique SxS and it points way too high. I can easily see the entire length of the barrels. It has a very pronounced angle on the butt as you mentioned. Perhaps too much? Also the stock is much too short. Barely two fingers from the end of the comb. More like 1 1/2. Any suggestions? I don’t have a lot of money to spend on it. I just bought it to keep a tradition alive, so no new stock, and experts on this in Montreal Canada is something pretty darn hard to find.
The brand bias on this channel is absolutely annoying now... Seems like I'm trapped in an info commercial with a guy who can't sit still for 2 seconds...
Sorry but that’s a bunch of crap. I’m 6’1” with a long neck. I shoot a Beretta 682 Gold E without an adjustable comb and the gun fits great. Browning’s feel like driving a truck, Berettas feel like driving a sports car.
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Love the statement about how it doesn’t matter if it’s Side by Side or Over and Under. I’ve shot both for the last 20 years, 12 bore Side by Side and 20 bore O/U, had them both fitted properly and shoot clay and game successfully. I’m a real fan of having a good fitted professionally.
Thank you so much for your teaching videos. Your manner of teaching reminds me of a fly fisherman casting on a stream. Elegant and classy.
Here in the states, so much teaching sides almost on vulgarity. Seems most of it emphasizes on who has the newest gun, or who can shoot the fastest, or shoots the largest caliber!
Just the way you close the action of your gun, compared to here in the states, they slam it closed, almost with the same force used when chopping wood with a hatchet!
Thank you SO MUCH for sharing your expertise!
I really appreciated your comments about english vs italian gun. You have a really huge knowledge about shotguns. Respect.
I found this very interesting . Something I had never considered . Thank-you so much !
Great information , I always tell shooters if the stock does not fit , you will never be satisfied. Well said.
My son's best shotgun is a 100 year old LC Smith . He was the best on our team. A gun smith like what you described said it fit perfectly and it did. He was the best on our team. Everyone still believed he would've been better off with anything other than a side by side.
Clear like water true English 👍 thanks again ...
Awesome video - thank you. I’m a new 54yo shooter and have taken up the sport to spend time with my 12yo son who loves clay shooting.
We can’t find anyone in our area who is skilled with gun fit so your video is great. I am about to purchase a Miroku sporter with adjustable comb - otherwise we can’t shoot. There are only gun shops locally and there are no shooting schools. Maybe the oxford gun club - will create a virtual fitting service :). Thanks again - I love this channel.
Glad you like it Ian, give David a ring and I'm sure he will book you in. All the best, Alex
Dad was a marksman and said one time that you really don't need to put a shotgun to your shoulder. Just shoot from the hip. He always brought me to gun movies.and in the movie " Thunder ball " Sean Connery shoots a shotgun from the hip.
I truly appreciate your videos. Can you please show what to do if the adjustable comb wont go low enough . I really believe you probably forgot more about fitting than most will ever learn
I shoot low gun instead of premounting it while shooting clays to more closely duplicate bird hunting and have found that I prefer a comb thats parallel to the bore axis so no mater where my cheek lands on the comb due to surprises of bird path and direction, my eye will ALWAYS be consistently at the correct hight and line up with the rib.
A sloping comb will produce different eye heights if you're not consistent with getting your cheek weld in the same exact spot each and every time while low gun shooting.
He definitely took a sniff of that gun at 4:00. Lol! Just bought my 15 year old daughter a Remington 870 20 gauge yesterday and sniffed the crap out of it. It's like smelling a new car or pair of shoes.
Thanks for simple yet informative explanation! Very helpful!
The ole browning versus beretta raises its head again. I love it.
I've shot both and found the Beretta Shoots flatter and more precisely on equal chokes... Browning is like a Shovel and generally weightier... jus' saying 😏👍
It’s fascinating - shot Berettas for 40yrs - then tried a Browning and now they’re the only make in the cabinet ( well except a Mossberg Hushpower 410). No rights, no wrongs it’s whatever works for you.
Its all a matter of opinion - I have a Browning 525 / Beretta 686 and an AYA Boxlock 4 in the cabinet and enjoy them all. Browning has the best thump whereas the Beretta is easier to handle being thinner and slightly lighter. Have to say I enjoy the AYA SBS the most, nice and light and has a bigger punch, only downside is the barrels get rather hot when they get a few hundred quick cartridges through them!
Love this channel
Great advice!
Glad you think so!
Oh yes, remember p. stanbury gun well. Was a side by side,pistol grip,single trigger.not quite the norm. happy shooting.
Mr. Florence is correct when he states that it should not matter which type of barrel configuration you shoot . Both types should produce equally. The problem as I see it is as follows: apart from having a gun that fits the shooter,the shooter must learn to concentrate solely on the target(that's why gun fit is so important). Here's the rub, if you shoot with a type of sustain lead or pull ahead of the target to establish a lead and then fire,etc.(as many do when shooting clays) you will have a tendency to notice the end of your barrel in relationship to your target. A o/u sight plan will give you a more precise sight picture than will a double barrel. In effect you are aiming rather than shooting your gun as you would with the swing through method. But, even with the swing through method your peripheral vision will still register a difference in the sight plane in relation to the target regardless if you see a lot of rib or only the front bead. Here is something to ponder. Have you ever shot skeet (for example) with 12ga. and then had a chance to shoot a .410 ? You probably had a hard time hitting the clay. Your sight picture seemed off. You seemed to have to lead the clay further than you did with your 12ga. Actually ,if the .410 fit you well enough to give you a good sight picture everything should work the same(minus a smaller payload of shot). What you really experienced was a noticeable difference in the size of the barrel in relation to your target. Get a gun that fits you. Concentrate on your target. Develop a shooting style that works for the type of discipline your interested in pursing. And, yes pitch is important when fitting your gun.
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Very informative piece David. Wishing you all the best for crossing that 10K line sooner than James expects. 🙂
My Beretta 682L Sporter from 1985 weighs nearly 9lb, it certainly aint no lightweight delicate Italian gun! Neither was the Perazzi MX4 I had before that come to think of it.
Another aspect regarding stock length relates to weather conditions and how outer layers of clothing can throw Guns off their game. Especially if they're unused to shooting in foul weather while wearing waterproofs and additional layers. Get comb height right and cast ............ the rest follows.
This is really interesting about the stock.
I shoot a browning 28" 325 game g5 reasonably well, I also have 2 ugarchea's both very similar, 1 parker hale import the other a blue box lox which don't shoot well at all, I have put a leather pad on, & I'm guessing that the heel of the but is not correct... ??
Excellent!
David, your videos are informative and easily understood. Here in Northern Virginia USA, do you know of a school and fitting establishment to go to in person?
I bought an antique SxS and it points way too high. I can easily see the entire length of the barrels. It has a very pronounced angle on the butt as you mentioned. Perhaps too much? Also the stock is much too short. Barely two fingers from the end of the comb. More like 1 1/2. Any suggestions? I don’t have a lot of money to spend on it. I just bought it to keep a tradition alive, so no new stock, and experts on this in Montreal Canada is something pretty darn hard to find.
Wood to metal on closing a side by side
Did he just say Land Rovers are made to last?
John Sanders haha i think i heard it to. Made the whole video irrelevant 😂
Land Rovers are made to last. You're clearly thinking of a Range Rover.
How many times do I have to open my gun to know I got it to fit right?
How many times he break open the barrel 😂
Kamran Janvri: He's doing that to show the viewer that the gun is empty before pointing it at the camera.
Geez, say it, don't spray it.
The brand bias on this channel is absolutely annoying now... Seems like I'm trapped in an info commercial with a guy who can't sit still for 2 seconds...
There’s not much you don’t know about shooting Dave
Sorry but that’s a bunch of crap. I’m 6’1” with a long neck. I shoot a Beretta 682 Gold E without an adjustable comb and the gun fits great. Browning’s feel like driving a truck, Berettas feel like driving a sports car.
A gun is a gun... Doesn't have to feel like a "sports car" mate. The man controls the gun, the gun doesn't control the man.
I guess we have established one thing....you don’t like sports cars :-)
Browning Won another 2x world titles this year 2019 in sporting! Must be some truck! All about gun balance and gun fit!
@@precisionairguns5553 well said 😂😂
Another anti Beretta video