Yeah, it's nice to see results from something OTHER than luxury influencer junkets where they just shoot canned scenarios designed especially to make the product look good. This follow-up still seems rose-tinted, though. One segment I'd love to see as a standard DPRTV review feature would be “The worst thing about this product is…” or “One thing I hated about this product is…”
@@jlwilliams I agree. However I think without having to mention the word hate (maybe they do not hate anything about the camera) they could have a section about things that need to be improved or upgraded. And, maybe a more detailed hands on comparison with the cameras they mention such as Lumix S5 ii Sony A7 IV ...
The reason they do it this way is because those initial reviews are using cameras with pre-production firmware. So, the final reviews are more in line with the camera as consumers will really experience it.
Got this camera back in December after 18 years as a pro photographer and it's the best camera I've ever used... by far. It's definitely class leading, beating out the A7IV (which has cropped 4K, bad LCD, and lower dynamic range and higher noise than the R6 II in all the tests I did plus the R6 II has way better rolling shutter and battery life,and costs less where I live!) and significantly better than the S5 II which still has focus issues (check out DSLR Videoshooter's review, he's the best) and has heavily crippled and cropped high speed modes, even in 1080. Ugh. Alex Barerra did a comparison with the A7IV and not only did the R6 II beat it when it comes to dynamic range and ISO noise, shockingly the R6 II was also SHARPER. I upscaled Raws to 33 MP to match the A7IV and sure enough the R6 II is sharper in real world. Perhaps due to weaker AA filter, and lenses and focus accuracy too. 12 FPS mechanical is already insane for photography. I shot sports with the best 1D at the time, and it was 10 FPS and it was always more than enough. And that 12 FPS blows away the A7IV (which gets only about 7 FPS in real world) and the S5 II.
Looks nice! 4k60 with that low of a readout time is impressive. 0:50 Dual card mirroring/backup is ignored until someone experiences a card failure, but then it's too late... 😅 Doesn't take much to slot in a second card when it's an option. Not to say that's perfectly foolproof but it adds another layer of protection. It could have been the camera itself too.
@@youknowwho9247xt5 is $800 cheaper than A7IV and R6ii and $300 cheaper than s5 ii and Z6iii (presumably if the current model is indicative of its price) a far more compelling comparison would be the xh2 or xh2s
@@questioneverything680 I guess I suggested the X-T5 so Fuji at least wins out slightly in terms of price, whereas the X-H2 just loses to the full frame options in absolutely every way. Oh well.
At 7:58 to 7:59 there is a autofocus jump for a stationary human mid shot. Thanks for not cutting it and a subtle way to showing, without telling. Like that.
So glad you guys brought up the Dynamic Range loss in electronic shutter. (Also noticeable in video) Currently, it is the only real weakness I’ve found that I actually have to shoot around. It’s unfortunate, but also not surprising the camera would have SOME weakness. Overall, it fills its role as a complimentary camera to my R3 bodies and a general everyday shooter for real estate and other subjects. Its performance is truly remarkable for the price point and can do a very good job hanging with the R3.
I have the original R6 and don't need to upgrade since I mainly shoot photos, but uncropped 4k60fps at this price point is really impressive. The readout speed is a nice bonus too.
Thank you for your review and your opinions. Both Chris and Jordan do a lot of work in testing the functionality of cameras for photography and videography. Appreciate it very much.
Excellent. Thanks in particular for the discussion of image quality in mechanical vs electronic shutter mode. Would have welcomed an in-depth discussion of IQ in the R6 vs the R6 II. But overall a very helpful, complete intro.
Gordon addressed my biggest problem with the original R6: the AF occasionally just drifts off me for no discernable reason. I chalked it up to poor low light performance because it happens most often when my face is in shadow, and I'm dark-skinned to begin with. But the R6 II looks way better in multiple areas, including the AF performance. I really must consider upgrading, unless the R5 II comes out later this year as rumored.
@@thetechiephotographer I spotted that too. Right before that cut. I wonder what the rest of that particular clip looked like. How quickly did it re-acquire him? It was apparently back on him right after that. Recently my R6 left me and just stayed lost until the end of the clip. I was pissed during editing, but I was stuck with the footage.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto As explained by Jordan in this review there is a new mode "subject only" that is derived from the cinema line and will stick to your face no matter what and won't back focus even if you leave the frame. Honestly this feature alone is worth the upgrade. Not even R5 has this feature. And none of the competition either.
Don't know what gear and settings were used for that short moderation piece of Chris telling us that the SD card died, but it's by far the nicest shot in the video.
How do you know it was recorded on the R6ii? I'd guess they recorded on the "panasonic" as the subject in the video seems to Praise Pana so much over the years and known to record clips with pana in the past.
@Shariq Ahmed🌎💙 Actually if it was all shot on the R6II it would have also been mentioned at the start, which leads me to believe they only had one R6II and all of the shots where Chris is holding the R6II are shot with another camera, most likely S5II. That said, I agree that particular shot was most likely done on the R6II. Could have been user error though, Chris isn't a pro videographer. Probably forgot to activate "subject only" or something.
I have a unique situation and I'm trying to decide on a camera body. I do photogametry on film sets. Oftentimes I need to jump in and do it while they are setting up for other shots. Currently I use a 5D Mark IV which presents a few problems that I'd like to improve on. 1. Photogrammetry requires a lot of photos. Bracketed. So I want to go mirrorless and maybe digital shutter because it feels like I'm just putting so many miles on the camera in such a short amount of time. 2. An entire film crew could be standing around waiting while I'm doing the photogrammetry and a lot of times I'm doing them in low light situations. So shooting bracketed photos on a tripod can take a really long time due to the longer exposures. 3. I need as little depth of field as possible. So to sum it all up, I need something that can shoot a large volume of photos fast in low light without opening the aperture too much. The fact that I already have a 5D, it would be nice to stay in the canon family but it's not a must. I would love to hear any thoughts you might have. Thank you and thanks for your video!
Congratulations on the video! I follow them all! Just to say that I paid attention to the whole video, at 8:25 min the description of the comparison comes out 6D Mark II, nothing that discredits the video! Just a comment! 😅 I love your work ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have sold my previous gear... and came here because I was hesitating whether to start new with Sony a7iv or R6ii and in the end, I didn't decide anything :)
Very good review summary, I already own the Sony A7 IV but still have too much of a love for Canon to retire my EOS 80D, I would like to see what the camera does for the new Airplane and Train autofocusing as I haven't seen this reviewed yet?
Hi Jordan and Chris. It happens! Forget to put second card in and first card realises and thinks "I'll have some fun here" - and gives up the ghost. Odd way of having fun but that's technology for you. The well known Murphy's Law. Thanks for the follow up, this one is on my list of replacement cameras. PS - I thought it was cold here!
camera this day, 99% is way above what average even enthusiast needed ... this really a though jobs for marketing to sell a new camera for a slight improvement ... and you guys dig deep just to search the different. Great jobs guys.
Chris and Jordan, do you guys plan to have personal channel after the DPReview is closed? love to check out your stuffs for future camera gear release.
what brand and model SD card got corrupted? How long it was in use? Im interested in this info just to have some reference. There are people who still do not believe that cards fail
Nice review, I was just surprised you guys were not using both SD cards for a back up purpose as you are really shooting for commercial use, even with my personal " stuffs" I always save my raw to both cards, and I had 3 memory card failed in my last 20+ years of digital photo life, not " a lot" but enough to cause me big enough headache if I didn't use dual card/back up.
A pretty excellent camera all around - it feels a lot like what the R6 should've been all this time rather than some kind of generational upgrade. That being said, I'll take a mulligan as great as this any day. Even though the EVF isn't HDR so the OVF sim isn't as great as it could be, and they seem afraid of full size HDMI ports...I don't have real complaints for how I'd use this camera day to day as a photographer.
Chris and Jordan good job as always! With new announcements of R8, R50 is Canon the only manufacturer with a full mirrorless line up except of course something like a R1? There are rumors of a new R5 Mark II.
Nice review, I keep running into your vids and they're always presented well. Would you recommend an amateur upgrade to the r6 mkii from an RP? I got into photography with the RP and love it but it's FPS robs me of good action shorts very frequently.
I'd want a feature built into the camera where one could sign in to the Google account and have the picture uploaded directly to Google Drive as soon as taken. That way, if the card gets corrupted halfway in, the pictures would still be on the Google Drive.
Subject detect only is a HUGE feature for video. R5 doesn't even have that. It's handed straight down from the cine line. None of the competition has it either. This alone with the lack of overheat, no crop 4K60p, low rolling shutter, photo/stills switch etc makes for not only a compelling upgrade but a class-leading hybrid camera in overall specs. Yeah S5ii got PDAF but it is still first gen PDAF.
I don't know if, as a hobbyist, I would jump from Canon to Sony at this point. I'm not too heavily invested in Canon at this point but the thought of selling all my gear to go with Sony is a real grind. That said, if Canon opens the RF mount to 3rd party makers I will order the R6 Mk-II to replace my R7. Until then, I will continue to enjoy my R7 with it's limitations. I would like to move to full frame, but it's not urgent for me.
Was Chris only using one SD card in the camera for those photos that got corrupted? I'd hope this could be prevented by using both card slots on the camera. That's the entire point of dual SD card slots, right? At least it is for the way I shoot. I know some people prefer to fill one card up and then start the next one, but I would much rather have a backup to prevent exactly the problem Chris experienced. I want to like the R6 Mark II and R7, but there are a few things holding them back for me. 1) Closed RF lens mount. We need Tamron and Sigma lenses in every mount if for no other reason than my wallet. I know you can adapt EF and EF-S lenses (and I own the Sigma 18-35mm and 50-100mm lenses in EF-S), but that's an imperfect solution with compromised autofocus. The lack of Tamron lenses even makes me think about Sony over Panasonic. Competition is a great thing. I know Canon make some fantastic native glass in this mount, but there are not enough lenses (particularly in APS-C for the R7), and goddamn their inflated prices. 2) Lack of video assist tools. This is easily fixable in firmware if Canon wants to fix it. Why don't they care? 3) Iffy stabilization. The S5 II and S5 IIX just win here. Not that the R6 Mark II is bad at stabilization, and it's probably better than the a7 IV, but the S5 II and S5 IIX are just far more stable for video.
The lack of 3rd party lenses doesn't really bother me. Canon RF adapts EF lenses almost perfectly which means we do have a ton of new and used options out there if we need a more cost friendly 3rd party option. Not to mention a growing Canon EF lens used market. Having been through the dark ages of 3rd party lenses in terms of quality control and not as fast or accurate electronic controls I'm not entirely sure we are missing out on a lot anyway. I say this as one currently using Tamron 24-70 G2 f2.8 and 70-200 G2 f2.8 EF zooms on my RF adapter. They work and work well but I can't help but feel they will always be a step behind Canon in terms of firmware support and how well they communicate with the body. Havign adapted many lenses to m43 in the past as well its sometimes hit or miss with 3rd parties. I now tend to prefer native manufacture glass to have the peace of mind I'm getting the best electronic control possible and the best firmware support possible. Not saying Tamron and Sigma have not gotten a lot better over the years. I'm generally very happy with the G2 Tamrons. At the end of the day it's just a bit of money we are talking here and I just don't worry about it as much as I once did. Getting the most bang for the buck isn't as important now as getting the best. I realize that is not the case for everyone and for those the EF market is still solid and will be solid for many years to come. Plus the number of used options will likely make it even more affordable for those starting out. A used 3rd party EF lens like the G2 Tamrons will likely cost much less than a brand new 3rd party option. Oh and get the Canon brand EF to RF adapters. If electronic communication accuracy, speed and firmware support are important don't add yet another 3rd party into the mix. The cost difference is not that much to sacrifice the performance of the system. I see a lot of reviewers use the cheap 3rd party adapters and then judge EF to RF performance. I once used those cheap adapters as well on m43 and they were horrible compared to the Metabones. Metabones is also a 3rd party but they had years of experience and dedicated effort to communicating the best they could between lenses and bodies. Even then some EF lenses just didn't work very well. Buying the Canon adapter to use Canon EF glass on a Canon RF body means nothing is lost in translation and you get the best communication possible. All 3rd parties have to reverse engineer the Canon mount to figure out what makes it tick. I just don't think it's a wise move to think that will deliver the maximum performance these bodies are capable of. Eventually I will be replacing my Tamron G2 zooms with Canon RF zooms. I have actually switched back to mostly shooting on RF primes and don't use the zooms very much anymore so its not a must for me right now.
I'm personally using the Sony A7 III for my private photography and video. It's still an amazing camera. But since we need a new alrounder atwork I will buy the R6 Mark II to have a workhorse in both photography and video. Should be good, can't wait to test it out.
You also should mention vs older cameras. You don’t necessarily need the newest camera from every manufacturer. There’s older choices which would work fine for photography. A lot of new cameras lose their soul too. Not all but some
Have my eye on it but already have the R7. The 6 mk 2 has a few slight upgrades but nothing drastic. Low light would interest me the most. I’ve read by most users it’s superior, but a night/day difference? sorry bad pun. I do a fair amount of cropping in my wild life shots on the R7. I also get in my opinion at least good low light with my fast lenses. Biggest issue which MAY bother me is the greater noise with low light pics. But that can be mitigated in post. So aside from wishing I could have the whole line up of R models, the 5 seems overkill and the 6 is of interest. How much more benefit will I get? I have a fair stable of RF lenses already (it’s been a lucky year for me)
Hmm seems like you should have been shooting to 2 memory cards at that same time. Thanks for the super in depth follow up, super helpful now that the camera is commonly found in stock!
Notice the design and way it holds this R6MKII looks like the one the I owned 5DMKII DSLR 15 years ago back then. After all these years, Canon never want to change it looks to Retro style like Fujifilm or Nikon Zf or Sony A7 series...
You discussed how it doesn’t perform great autofocus on inanimate objects. What would be a good camera for this? I shoot lots of reviews/close up woodworking content. Thanks
hmm, I would think the Canon would be better for general photography over the Sony due to the Speedlite/flash system, which I have always gotten great results with DSLRs (sorry I am on here trying to decide which mirrorless option to move up to). When shooting portraits or general photography, I almost always use my Speedlite for fill.
Can it completely solve the problem of jelly around the picture and picture swing under wide angle. Can you produce some cost-effective lenses that are easy to use and light?
Both A7 mk4 and S5 mk2 crops in to aps-c in 4k 60, which means you need a different set of lenses for photo than video. The Canon is the only true hybrid here, no crop, one set of lenses for everything you might want to do
@Shariq Ahmed🌎💙 With the S5 Mk II and A7 IV, when you shoot 4K60, it punches in on the shot and forces a 1.5x crop on your image. If you're fine with your camera zooming in when you take 4K60, then you don't need a second set of lenses. For many shooters, this is not a big deal because many people shoot in 4K60 for slow motion, and most slow motion shots tend to be close-ups. However, if you are shooting for 60 fps delivery or you just want to take slow motion wide angle shots, then you need extra wide angle lenses for 4K60. That's why you need a second set of lenses.
Hey Jordan or chris I’m thinking about getting in to photograph and videography and this will be my first camera that I will buy and one of the things I’ll also use the camera for is to do live streaming which camera do you recommend me to use
LOL. When I still shot on my 6D and 6D mk2, TH-cam reviews kept nagging about the lack of dual card slots. Not a professional camera, because professionals need redundancy when shooting. Now R6 HAS dual card slots. AND is being used by professionals. And STILL. :-) As a professional behavioural scientist I'd recommend some nudges. Package SD cards in pairs for your reviews and add switching on redundancy to the initial camera set-up checklist ;-)
Hi! Awesome review! I have a question about video: When shooting in FullHD, is there any "line skipping" from the sensor or the frame is made of full read out and then downscaling? In old DSLRs, there was some line skipping, most noticeable as "aliasing" when shooting video with straight lines, for instance. And in 4K, what does the "oversampling" exactly do? some kind of pixel binning? Thank you very much!
So, am I correct that there is a split decision here (for general photography)? @7:57, Jordan prefers Canon over Panasonic if users prefer a good photographic & video (jack of all trades) camera @8:54, Chris slightly prefers Sony over Canon Also, R6 has weather proof coating right?
Would you be able to do a mini review of the Fujifilm X-H2S firmware 3 update for further improved autofocusing? Or maybe the review could wait until that update trickles down to the X-H2/X-T5 sensor systems. I wonder if they've updated IBIS video behavior?
He kept referring to the R6 mk II as a sports camera because of the 40 fps. He completely omits comparison to the R7 which I find odd. For sports I find myself shooting mechanical, and the extra reach of the R7 really is a big deal when shooting motor sports or really most outdoor sport for that matter. Seems to be more of a cost cut compromise of a R5 than a more enhanced action camera of a R7.
Does the Electronic shutter dynamic range decrease happen to other non stacked sensors like the A7 IV? I've only heard of rolling shutter and light flicker at lower speeds as disadvantages of Electronic shutter and as mentioned in your A7 IV review video.
How do we know if it was recorded on another brand? They don't say, i just assume. I'd guess they recorded on the "panasonic" as the subject in the video seems to Praise Pana so much over the years is known to use panasonic in the past. Maybe he didn't mention it because it "was" panasonic.. who knows. or Canon really is unreliable.
EOS RP AWB has terrible performance when comparing to 5D Mark ii. Turning in yellow pictures. Is this better? This would be a deal breaker for me if they have not improved this area. None of the reviews seem to talk about AWB performance.
I like the idea of making intiial reviews and another one after having used the camera for a while.
Yeah, it's nice to see results from something OTHER than luxury influencer junkets where they just shoot canned scenarios designed especially to make the product look good. This follow-up still seems rose-tinted, though. One segment I'd love to see as a standard DPRTV review feature would be “The worst thing about this product is…” or “One thing I hated about this product is…”
@@jlwilliams I agree. However I think without having to mention the word hate (maybe they do not hate anything about the camera) they could have a section about things that need to be improved or upgraded. And, maybe a more detailed hands on comparison with the cameras they mention such as Lumix S5 ii Sony A7 IV ...
I just wish the final reviews came in a bit faster, but otherwise agree
The reason they do it this way is because those initial reviews are using cameras with pre-production firmware. So, the final reviews are more in line with the camera as consumers will really experience it.
Linguistically it makes sense for the review to be a second look after time. First look doesn't make sense as a review.
Got this camera back in December after 18 years as a pro photographer and it's the best camera I've ever used... by far. It's definitely class leading, beating out the A7IV (which has cropped 4K, bad LCD, and lower dynamic range and higher noise than the R6 II in all the tests I did plus the R6 II has way better rolling shutter and battery life,and costs less where I live!) and significantly better than the S5 II which still has focus issues (check out DSLR Videoshooter's review, he's the best) and has heavily crippled and cropped high speed modes, even in 1080. Ugh.
Alex Barerra did a comparison with the A7IV and not only did the R6 II beat it when it comes to dynamic range and ISO noise, shockingly the R6 II was also SHARPER. I upscaled Raws to 33 MP to match the A7IV and sure enough the R6 II is sharper in real world. Perhaps due to weaker AA filter, and lenses and focus accuracy too.
12 FPS mechanical is already insane for photography. I shot sports with the best 1D at the time, and it was 10 FPS and it was always more than enough. And that 12 FPS blows away the A7IV (which gets only about 7 FPS in real world) and the S5 II.
You should try a Sony, the quality will blow your mind.
@@Yupthereitism I don't understand this comment
I wouldn’t say it’s cheaper than the a7iv since the lenses you’ll be paying for are 2x more expensive than tamron or sigma lenses.
@@lIIustrationYou can seamlessly adapt on EF lens
@@lIIustrationYou spend thousands on a camera body and compromise AF with cheap lenses? Yeah no, buy used.
Just bought the r6 ii last night can't wait to use it!
And how do you like it?
@@unbroken1010 not much?
Looks nice! 4k60 with that low of a readout time is impressive.
0:50 Dual card mirroring/backup is ignored until someone experiences a card failure, but then it's too late... 😅 Doesn't take much to slot in a second card when it's an option. Not to say that's perfectly foolproof but it adds another layer of protection. It could have been the camera itself too.
Does it have dual cards?
@@mikem6796 The R6 Mark II? Yes, dual SD.
I'd love to see a 4 way comparison video between the R6II, A7IV, S5II and the Z6III when it finally comes out!
Yesss
Chuck the X-T5 in there, too. Not full frame, but same price point.
Make it the XH2S
@@youknowwho9247xt5 is $800 cheaper than A7IV and R6ii and $300 cheaper than s5 ii and Z6iii (presumably if the current model is indicative of its price) a far more compelling comparison would be the xh2 or xh2s
@@questioneverything680 I guess I suggested the X-T5 so Fuji at least wins out slightly in terms of price, whereas the X-H2 just loses to the full frame options in absolutely every way. Oh well.
At 7:58 to 7:59 there is a autofocus jump for a stationary human mid shot. Thanks for not cutting it and a subtle way to showing, without telling. Like that.
It happens. It's jumped because it saw a photo of a p Diddy /Snoop Dog after parties
So glad you guys brought up the Dynamic Range loss in electronic shutter. (Also noticeable in video) Currently, it is the only real weakness I’ve found that I actually have to shoot around. It’s unfortunate, but also not surprising the camera would have SOME weakness. Overall, it fills its role as a complimentary camera to my R3 bodies and a general everyday shooter for real estate and other subjects. Its performance is truly remarkable for the price point and can do a very good job hanging with the R3.
I hope you don't work for black rock and stealing people's homes in the "real estate" business.
I have the original R6 and don't need to upgrade since I mainly shoot photos, but uncropped 4k60fps at this price point is really impressive. The readout speed is a nice bonus too.
Did you know? The EOS R6 Mark II have two SD card slots, and you can take pictures on both at the same time in case one card gets corrupted ;)
This is way to advance for Chris
This is not news. All my Nikons have this feature.
@idahomountainlover754 yeah so do all professional canon cameras
Umm yes that pretty normal for even 15 year old dslr 's ffs relax p Diddy
@@idahomountainlover754most dslr 's in the last 15 do this 😂
yeah, getting the R6II, the Tamron 70-180 and the Sigma 24-70 would be a great mid-budget sports/travel combo... Oh wait...
Adapters are your friend
@@NoahStephens make your camera heavier, front heavy, worse autofocus, and cost money…great solution
Thank you for your review and your opinions. Both Chris and Jordan do a lot of work in testing the functionality of cameras for photography and videography. Appreciate it very much.
Excellent. Thanks in particular for the discussion of image quality in mechanical vs electronic shutter mode. Would have welcomed an in-depth discussion of IQ in the R6 vs the R6 II. But overall a very helpful, complete intro.
you deserve more subs for the hardwork you do
So S5 II for video, A7IV for stills, those two recommendations in this video really illustrate how the EOS 6 II stacks up.
As an R6 mk II owner my heartbeat jumped a bit at 8:46 with Chris casually throwing it from one hand into the other ;-)
Gordon addressed my biggest problem with the original R6: the AF occasionally just drifts off me for no discernable reason. I chalked it up to poor low light performance because it happens most often when my face is in shadow, and I'm dark-skinned to begin with. But the R6 II looks way better in multiple areas, including the AF performance. I really must consider upgrading, unless the R5 II comes out later this year as rumored.
It looks like it still back focusing - th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxMOZ4vosoo6AMKAG2TiNB5pRdOaGCW0BL
@@thetechiephotographer I spotted that too. Right before that cut. I wonder what the rest of that particular clip looked like. How quickly did it re-acquire him? It was apparently back on him right after that. Recently my R6 left me and just stayed lost until the end of the clip. I was pissed during editing, but I was stuck with the footage.
It won’t drift in face only mode.
@@JohnDrummondPhoto As explained by Jordan in this review there is a new mode "subject only" that is derived from the cinema line and will stick to your face no matter what and won't back focus even if you leave the frame. Honestly this feature alone is worth the upgrade. Not even R5 has this feature. And none of the competition either.
Funny that the AF jumps at 8:00 🤔
hahaha yes
Don't know what gear and settings were used for that short moderation piece of Chris telling us that the SD card died, but it's by far the nicest shot in the video.
Maybe it was Chris filming with his trusty Olympus E-M1 MK III (the camera he uses for the fly fishing channel).
Thanks guys, good to know they are so close these days. Which is a good sign.
I have the R6 Mk i. I love it so much.
If I ever need a second Cam, I would absolutely consider the Mark ii. Or an R5 i/ii. Yeah buddy!
Love the shot of Chris on the beach. Beautiful framing and colour.
This is a really good video. Good analysis. This is the camera I'm looking at getting.
7:58 typical Canon autofocus moment just before the cut 😁
How do you know it was recorded on the R6ii? I'd guess they recorded on the "panasonic" as the subject in the video seems to Praise Pana so much over the years and known to record clips with pana in the past.
@Shariq Ahmed🌎💙 oh i c ; thank you. Good to know.
@Shariq Ahmed🌎💙 Actually if it was all shot on the R6II it would have also been mentioned at the start, which leads me to believe they only had one R6II and all of the shots where Chris is holding the R6II are shot with another camera, most likely S5II. That said, I agree that particular shot was most likely done on the R6II. Could have been user error though, Chris isn't a pro videographer. Probably forgot to activate "subject only" or something.
Thank you!
I have a unique situation and I'm trying to decide on a camera body. I do photogametry on film sets. Oftentimes I need to jump in and do it while they are setting up for other shots. Currently I use a 5D Mark IV which presents a few problems that I'd like to improve on.
1. Photogrammetry requires a lot of photos. Bracketed. So I want to go mirrorless and maybe digital shutter because it feels like I'm just putting so many miles on the camera in such a short amount of time.
2. An entire film crew could be standing around waiting while I'm doing the photogrammetry and a lot of times I'm doing them in low light situations. So shooting bracketed photos on a tripod can take a really long time due to the longer exposures.
3. I need as little depth of field as possible.
So to sum it all up, I need something that can shoot a large volume of photos fast in low light without opening the aperture too much.
The fact that I already have a 5D, it would be nice to stay in the canon family but it's not a must. I would love to hear any thoughts you might have. Thank you and thanks for your video!
Congratulations on the video! I follow them all! Just to say that I paid attention to the whole video, at 8:25 min the description of the comparison comes out 6D Mark II, nothing that discredits the video! Just a comment! 😅 I love your work ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
7:57 Yup, that human detect AF is really doing wonders, Jordan! 😛
No confusions, excellent review. This is what most of viewers want. Thanks I am going to Mark2
Awesome video! After watching some of your content, I've finally decided to subscribe and help save your memory cards!
I have sold my previous gear... and came here because I was hesitating whether to start new with Sony a7iv or R6ii and in the end, I didn't decide anything :)
Very good review summary, I already own the Sony A7 IV but still have too much of a love for Canon to retire my EOS 80D, I would like to see what the camera does for the new Airplane and Train autofocusing as I haven't seen this reviewed yet?
Hi Jordan and Chris. It happens! Forget to put second card in and first card realises and thinks "I'll have some fun here" - and gives up the ghost. Odd way of having fun but that's technology for you. The well known Murphy's Law. Thanks for the follow up, this one is on my list of replacement cameras. PS - I thought it was cold here!
Hope canon will allow 3rd party lenses
Sigma 85 1.4 for rf mount is a dream
Will never happen
Waiting for final review for Panasonic S5 Mark II
camera this day, 99% is way above what average even enthusiast needed ... this really a though jobs for marketing to sell a new camera for a slight improvement ... and you guys dig deep just to search the different. Great jobs guys.
The market has changed. Today video capabilities are more important than photography.
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas it does change, maybe your case need more video, but for me, photo is still my main sell jobs.
Chris and Jordan, do you guys plan to have personal channel after the DPReview is closed? love to check out your stuffs for future camera gear release.
what brand and model SD card got corrupted? How long it was in use? Im interested in this info just to have some reference. There are people who still do not believe that cards fail
Agree! I'd be concerned if this camera eats SD cards for lunch - or you were using an overextended crappy card?
Nice review, I was just surprised you guys were not using both SD cards for a back up purpose as you are really shooting for commercial use, even with my personal " stuffs" I always save my raw to both cards, and I had 3 memory card failed in my last 20+ years of digital photo life, not " a lot" but enough to cause me big enough headache if I didn't use dual card/back up.
A pretty excellent camera all around - it feels a lot like what the R6 should've been all this time rather than some kind of generational upgrade. That being said, I'll take a mulligan as great as this any day. Even though the EVF isn't HDR so the OVF sim isn't as great as it could be, and they seem afraid of full size HDMI ports...I don't have real complaints for how I'd use this camera day to day as a photographer.
Chris and Jordan good job as always! With new announcements of R8, R50 is Canon the only manufacturer with a full mirrorless line up except of course something like a R1? There are rumors of a new R5 Mark II.
weird how the AF just lost it at the 7:58 mark. It sort of contradicts the reports of the new subject only "stickiness" of the AF.
A great review, and by the sound of it, a very good camera too. Thz.
Nice review, I keep running into your vids and they're always presented well. Would you recommend an amateur upgrade to the r6 mkii from an RP? I got into photography with the RP and love it but it's FPS robs me of good action shorts very frequently.
I'd want a feature built into the camera where one could sign in to the Google account and have the picture uploaded directly to Google Drive as soon as taken. That way, if the card gets corrupted halfway in, the pictures would still be on the Google Drive.
Got my R6 Mk II just a couple of weeks ago, and my main thought is, why did I wait so long???
Now I just want a video on SD card corruption 😬
I thought the camera had 2 slots or did they both corrupt
18ms and subject detect only are very impressive!
Great review guys! Also, your kids are adorable ❤
Thanks for providing another very useful video.
Can you inform which camera was used to film this episode ?
Greetings from Brazil
What's the dynamic range and low light capabilities of the R6 II when shooting 4K 60p??? Does it have dual native ISO?
Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always 👍👌
I like that red jacket Chris! Can you tell me what brand that is? Thank you!
good 9.5min review on R6 mk II
Thank you for the review ❤❤❤
Subject detect only is a HUGE feature for video. R5 doesn't even have that. It's handed straight down from the cine line. None of the competition has it either. This alone with the lack of overheat, no crop 4K60p, low rolling shutter, photo/stills switch etc makes for not only a compelling upgrade but a class-leading hybrid camera in overall specs. Yeah S5ii got PDAF but it is still first gen PDAF.
I prefer the video specs and image from Panasonic. The videos are just nicer. I also prefer a fan.
I don't know if, as a hobbyist, I would jump from Canon to Sony at this point. I'm not too heavily invested in Canon at this point but the thought of selling all my gear to go with Sony is a real grind. That said, if Canon opens the RF mount to 3rd party makers I will order the R6 Mk-II to replace my R7. Until then, I will continue to enjoy my R7 with it's limitations. I would like to move to full frame, but it's not urgent for me.
I have been waiting for this one!!!!!
Got mine yesterday! Perfect timing lol.
Great Video
Was Chris only using one SD card in the camera for those photos that got corrupted? I'd hope this could be prevented by using both card slots on the camera. That's the entire point of dual SD card slots, right? At least it is for the way I shoot. I know some people prefer to fill one card up and then start the next one, but I would much rather have a backup to prevent exactly the problem Chris experienced.
I want to like the R6 Mark II and R7, but there are a few things holding them back for me.
1) Closed RF lens mount. We need Tamron and Sigma lenses in every mount if for no other reason than my wallet. I know you can adapt EF and EF-S lenses (and I own the Sigma 18-35mm and 50-100mm lenses in EF-S), but that's an imperfect solution with compromised autofocus. The lack of Tamron lenses even makes me think about Sony over Panasonic. Competition is a great thing. I know Canon make some fantastic native glass in this mount, but there are not enough lenses (particularly in APS-C for the R7), and goddamn their inflated prices.
2) Lack of video assist tools. This is easily fixable in firmware if Canon wants to fix it. Why don't they care?
3) Iffy stabilization. The S5 II and S5 IIX just win here. Not that the R6 Mark II is bad at stabilization, and it's probably better than the a7 IV, but the S5 II and S5 IIX are just far more stable for video.
The lack of 3rd party lenses doesn't really bother me. Canon RF adapts EF lenses almost perfectly which means we do have a ton of new and used options out there if we need a more cost friendly 3rd party option. Not to mention a growing Canon EF lens used market.
Having been through the dark ages of 3rd party lenses in terms of quality control and not as fast or accurate electronic controls I'm not entirely sure we are missing out on a lot anyway. I say this as one currently using Tamron 24-70 G2 f2.8 and 70-200 G2 f2.8 EF zooms on my RF adapter. They work and work well but I can't help but feel they will always be a step behind Canon in terms of firmware support and how well they communicate with the body. Havign adapted many lenses to m43 in the past as well its sometimes hit or miss with 3rd parties. I now tend to prefer native manufacture glass to have the peace of mind I'm getting the best electronic control possible and the best firmware support possible.
Not saying Tamron and Sigma have not gotten a lot better over the years. I'm generally very happy with the G2 Tamrons. At the end of the day it's just a bit of money we are talking here and I just don't worry about it as much as I once did. Getting the most bang for the buck isn't as important now as getting the best. I realize that is not the case for everyone and for those the EF market is still solid and will be solid for many years to come. Plus the number of used options will likely make it even more affordable for those starting out. A used 3rd party EF lens like the G2 Tamrons will likely cost much less than a brand new 3rd party option.
Oh and get the Canon brand EF to RF adapters. If electronic communication accuracy, speed and firmware support are important don't add yet another 3rd party into the mix. The cost difference is not that much to sacrifice the performance of the system. I see a lot of reviewers use the cheap 3rd party adapters and then judge EF to RF performance. I once used those cheap adapters as well on m43 and they were horrible compared to the Metabones. Metabones is also a 3rd party but they had years of experience and dedicated effort to communicating the best they could between lenses and bodies. Even then some EF lenses just didn't work very well. Buying the Canon adapter to use Canon EF glass on a Canon RF body means nothing is lost in translation and you get the best communication possible.
All 3rd parties have to reverse engineer the Canon mount to figure out what makes it tick. I just don't think it's a wise move to think that will deliver the maximum performance these bodies are capable of. Eventually I will be replacing my Tamron G2 zooms with Canon RF zooms. I have actually switched back to mostly shooting on RF primes and don't use the zooms very much anymore so its not a must for me right now.
I'm personally using the Sony A7 III for my private photography and video. It's still an amazing camera. But since we need a new alrounder atwork I will buy the R6 Mark II to have a workhorse in both photography and video. Should be good, can't wait to test it out.
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Really good reviews...
Thankfully....
You also should mention vs older cameras. You don’t necessarily need the newest camera from every manufacturer. There’s older choices which would work fine for photography. A lot of new cameras lose their soul too. Not all but some
The big question; if you own the R6 is the Mark II worth the upgrade?
Have my eye on it but already have the R7. The 6 mk 2 has a few slight upgrades but nothing drastic. Low light would interest me the most. I’ve read by most users it’s superior, but a night/day difference? sorry bad pun.
I do a fair amount of cropping in my wild life shots on the R7. I also get in my opinion at least good low light with my fast lenses. Biggest issue which MAY bother me is the greater noise with low light pics. But that can be mitigated in post. So aside from wishing I could have the whole line up of R models, the 5 seems overkill and the 6 is of interest. How much more benefit will I get? I have a fair stable of RF lenses already (it’s been a lucky year for me)
7:58 dhe autofocus forgot him and goes in the background than the scene crops 🫣😈
Is this episode entirely shot on the R6ii?
Hmm seems like you should have been shooting to 2 memory cards at that same time. Thanks for the super in depth follow up, super helpful now that the camera is commonly found in stock!
We are spoilt for choice, hopefully Nikon will start competing soon with a Z8 or Z6III.
Notice the design and way it holds this R6MKII looks like the one the I owned 5DMKII DSLR 15 years ago back then. After all these years, Canon never want to change it looks to Retro style like Fujifilm or Nikon Zf or Sony A7 series...
You discussed how it doesn’t perform great autofocus on inanimate objects. What would be a good camera for this? I shoot lots of reviews/close up woodworking content. Thanks
hmm, I would think the Canon would be better for general photography over the Sony due to the Speedlite/flash system, which I have always gotten great results with DSLRs (sorry I am on here trying to decide which mirrorless option to move up to). When shooting portraits or general photography, I almost always use my Speedlite for fill.
Is it 10 bit prores ?
Was this review shot on the same R6 MII? Seems to lose focus tracking at 7:58?
I'd guess they recorded on the "panasonic" as the subject in the video seems to Praise Pana so much over the years.
No mention of the Focus problem?: " sometimes when the lens is focused way off to start with it can be difficult to acquire focus at very close range"
Can it completely solve the problem of jelly around the picture and picture swing under wide angle. Can you produce some cost-effective lenses that are easy to use and light?
Both A7 mk4 and S5 mk2 crops in to aps-c in 4k 60, which means you need a different set of lenses for photo than video. The Canon is the only true hybrid here, no crop, one set of lenses for everything you might want to do
@Shariq Ahmed🌎💙 With the S5 Mk II and A7 IV, when you shoot 4K60, it punches in on the shot and forces a 1.5x crop on your image. If you're fine with your camera zooming in when you take 4K60, then you don't need a second set of lenses. For many shooters, this is not a big deal because many people shoot in 4K60 for slow motion, and most slow motion shots tend to be close-ups. However, if you are shooting for 60 fps delivery or you just want to take slow motion wide angle shots, then you need extra wide angle lenses for 4K60. That's why you need a second set of lenses.
What was this video shot for?
Hey Jordan or chris I’m thinking about getting in to photograph and videography and this will be my first camera that I will buy and one of the things I’ll also use the camera for is to do live streaming which camera do you recommend me to use
So just exactly how old and well used was that card?? No chance it was related to the R6M2 at all?
Great Video as usual. Does the electronic shutter effect my canon R7 the same way as in the R6ii?
Why didn't you shoot redundant? I can't imagine myself shooting to a single card.
LOL. When I still shot on my 6D and 6D mk2, TH-cam reviews kept nagging about the lack of dual card slots. Not a professional camera, because professionals need redundancy when shooting. Now R6 HAS dual card slots. AND is being used by professionals. And STILL. :-)
As a professional behavioural scientist I'd recommend some nudges. Package SD cards in pairs for your reviews and add switching on redundancy to the initial camera set-up checklist ;-)
Hi! Awesome review! I have a question about video: When shooting in FullHD, is there any "line skipping" from the sensor or the frame is made of full read out and then downscaling? In old DSLRs, there was some line skipping, most noticeable as "aliasing" when shooting video with straight lines, for instance.
And in 4K, what does the "oversampling" exactly do? some kind of pixel binning?
Thank you very much!
So, am I correct that there is a split decision here (for general photography)?
@7:57, Jordan prefers Canon over Panasonic if users prefer a good photographic & video (jack of all trades) camera
@8:54, Chris slightly prefers Sony over Canon
Also, R6 has weather proof coating right?
Would you be able to do a mini review of the Fujifilm X-H2S firmware 3 update for further improved autofocusing? Or maybe the review could wait until that update trickles down to the X-H2/X-T5 sensor systems. I wonder if they've updated IBIS video behavior?
He kept referring to the R6 mk II as a sports camera because of the 40 fps. He completely omits comparison to the R7 which I find odd. For sports I find myself shooting mechanical, and the extra reach of the R7 really is a big deal when shooting motor sports or really most outdoor sport for that matter. Seems to be more of a cost cut compromise of a R5 than a more enhanced action camera of a R7.
I wished the Panasonic could do 4k 60p without crop....
How does this camera do autofocusing in a wedding reception where the dj lights change all the time?
Awesome camera
7:58 - what happened there?? did the camera get bored looking at Jordan? 🤪
Will there be a RF 20mm F1.8 ✅ coming soon, Im covered and can afford to move when this happens.
Does the Electronic shutter dynamic range decrease happen to other non stacked sensors like the A7 IV?
I've only heard of rolling shutter and light flicker at lower speeds as disadvantages of Electronic shutter and as mentioned in your A7 IV review video.
yes and always did decrese
This was surprising to me as well. Is this true for all non-stacked sensors? ie, the Sony A7iv would have the same issue?
I wonder if John Crowe visits this channel, I'm well but cannot communicate via the old channels, I no longer have access
Please make a comparison between R6II and S5II for video, espcialy the 4K 60p which is important
S5ii is way better
@07:57 the focus drifting of your face at this moment. Why did you hide it with a cut to an imagine instead of pointing that drifting?
How do we know if it was recorded on another brand? They don't say, i just assume. I'd guess they recorded on the "panasonic" as the subject in the video seems to Praise Pana so much over the years is known to use panasonic in the past. Maybe he didn't mention it because it "was" panasonic.. who knows. or Canon really is unreliable.
@@chosenbydesign9007 they wrote in the beginning its canon r6 ii
@@A.Edilbi Thank you for the clarification.
EOS RP AWB has terrible performance when comparing to 5D Mark ii. Turning in yellow pictures. Is this better? This would be a deal breaker for me if they have not improved this area. None of the reviews seem to talk about AWB performance.
Excited!