James, I appreciate that you don’t take money from companies for reviews, but I still feel like you treated this review with baby hands. Maybe you want to keep a good relationship to receive more products from them in the future, maybe you have gone soft. A sight that loses zero and shifts is absolutely unacceptable. I shouldn’t need a tool kit to run drills at the range. I cannot believe you basically gave it a recommendation for its price point. If it was a Taurus everyone would be jumping on it and saying how’s it a piece of junk. However, a KelTec with a subpar coating, outdated grip safety, mushy trigger, and unreliable sights seems to get a “preference” pass on this one. If you are hiding anything in those short shorts, stand strong to make companies do better.
That's a fair assessment. Obviously I think this was a level review when I'm forming my opinion relative to cost. For what you get at (what will probably be) less than $400 street, I think I can live with having to get the sight fixed (or setting it in place). I may have just had a bad one. At the end of the day, I presented you the factual truth and I gave you my assessment. You are free to make your own assessment and disagree with mine, but the important part is that I gave you all of the facts, good or bad, and you can form your own opinion from that and discard mine. Bottom line; I think there's a lot of value here for what it's probably going to street for. It's certainly not a Sig or a Glock, but it does offer a lot of features (TFO nightsights, 4" barrel, low weight, high capacity) for the price. Thanks for sharing your opinion of my review somewhat respectfully.
“Good evening, TFBTV fans. This pistol is junk. Until next time, goodnight.” He did a fair assessment, and in reality, he can hit a target accurately with a sub 4lb trigger. Therefore it still beats a name brand like the P365 SAS. I like it and I like the review. It’s like McDonald’s. It’s so subjective. Is a cheap McMuffin and hash browns actually very good or the worst sandwich and breakfast on the planet? It is cheap garbage, yet … is it? Edit: grammar
"I don't like your review" watches the whole thing and then writes a book about it. Seems that James knows what he's talking about, since 1.25 million people have taken the time to smash that "Subscribe Button". And he also put the P15 in the category of Hi-Point!
BS! He didn't baby this at all the gun performed well and that's simply all there is to it. I was watching for this too but I didn't feel like that was going on at all. He even s*** on their crappy blued finishes and the sight drifting out not being cool. What else is he supposed to do? Leave a flaming dog turd at the guy's door?
Pretty sweet. Its low cost and it looks ugly but man there is a lot of value there. Safeties you can deactivate. High capacity. The sights actually might be better than the sig M18 😂 you look at the cost of a Beretta and it's a nice gun but this is light and cheap so if it gets seized for investigation or whatever it's not that much money out of the pocket.
The fact that you can deactivate those as fucking awesome that stops a lot of people from buying guns that have grip safeties it stopped me a few times one of the reasons I never owned a XD
My thoughts exactly. Most of their stuff isn’t really my kind of thing (and the stuff that I WOULD go for, tend to be the ones that end up falling well short on delivering on the idea behind it) but damn it they are definitely the most creative and innovative company out there. And I respect that. I wish more companies were willing to follow their example and push the envelope on features and aesthetics like Kel-tec does.
@@hkfifty871 I dont think ive ever seen another company other than S&W try to emulate the KSG. I still want one but def more of a just because than a user gun. Still no other company that Ive seen as of late has put any sort of real competition forward
The new P15 is a much welcomed addition to the Kel-Tec catalog, but I too still think of the old P11... usually when I am cleaning the litterboxes... and immediately am reminded of the P11 trigger.
I'm glad somebody with presence is finally talking about how the micro compact double stack category of firearms was not created by Sig, and that Kel-Tec beat them to it by 20 years... It's amazing how so many so-called gun experts on the internet don't seem to have the first f****** clue.
Nice to find another Kel-Tec fan. I have been a big fan of them for many years now, always impressed by their level of innovation, their price point, and (in my experience) reliability. Over the years I've had a SUB-2000, an SU-16, a P3AT, and a PF-9. Some day I would like to add a KSG-12, a PMR-30, and now a P15! Very underrated company by a lot of people, in my opinion.
Thank you so much for your comment regarding the fact that the grip should be shorter and the barrel longer. That is what I have been thinking for years and I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one thinking that companies are doing things backwards with the shorter barrel and longer grip
Shorter barrel and longer grips make sense when you are a police officer or military open carrying: you get two extra rounds and the short barrel not only is easier to clear the holster, but it also won’t rest on the vehicle seat and dig the rear of the slide against your flank.
I think Glock would of had some awesome sales if they offered a G19 with a G26 length frame. I saw a custom made one using a G19 with a chopped frame. It looked really slick. Probably too late now, as even the small G26 isn't that compact compared to newer models from other manufacturers. I was however intrigued by the new Taurus GX4L. It's the 11rnd Taurus GX4 with a longer slide.
I agree with you 100% I’ve been saying the same thing. Some Insight I got from a source I have at Glock says the reason they came out with the 45 after the 19x was specifically ment to be a LEO sidearm but also sold on the civilian market. For cops who are open carrying on the hip from what I’m told the shorter barrel and slide helps with little things like getting in and out of the car without the gun hitting the seat. I guess it makes sense but then we see companies like Taurus following the trend knowing damn well no police department is carrying around taurus g3x or whatever they call them. Hopefully Glock comes out with a “17x” 17 slide on a 19 frame and I’d buy it asap.
It is nice to see the P11 get some of its due: the new "wonder micro nines" are late to the game. I got one of the first ones in 1995...while not great I never found the trigger horrible. When I finally got a trigger scale it came out at about 8.5#. And now I have a trigger kit to lighten it anyway! Glad to see the P15 is getting out.
I bought a P11 in 2006 and still carry it as backup in my security job. It has the worst trigger pull of any gun I ever fired but's been %100 reliable and offers a decent hold if you add the pinky extension to the magazine.
A long time ago a friend of mine had a 1911 built with an aluminum officers model frame and a commander slide and Barrel. Using a Chip McCormick magazine the gun told eight rounds of 45 ACP. His backup gun was a Kel-Tec P3AT.
Dude this is a perfect gun for anything to do with having fun outside. Buy one for the boat, buy one for the truck, buy one for riding the jet ski, buy one for the garage or to keep in the barn or the whatever things that you don’t want to use your expensive equipment for.
Love the video - thanks for your honesty! I’ve carried a P11 for about 5 years with an Armalaser and Twisted Industry sites. So tired of people not either knowing or acknowledging that Keltec had a sub-compact before the P365. For that matter, so did SCCY-CPX2 which I also carry. The triggers are decent when you get used to them. It took some getting used to with the Hellcat and the R7 Mako. I think Keltec products are great. Try the P17 (22lr) or the Sub2000 (9mm folding carbine). Your video on the P15 was real. Thanks!
George Kellgren didn't invent the Tec-9. He invented the KG-99 at Interdynamic. The KG-99 was copied by Intratec and made the Tec-9 and cheaply with stamped instead of milled sights and a crimped trunnion instead of welded. Kelgren had sold his business to Garcia his partner who named it Intratec and who cheaped out on production quality.
My primary carry is a Keltec PF-9 (7+1 - the single stack to the P-11) and has been for years (11 years). I have put more rounds through it than I can count without an issue. I bought it brand new in 2011 for $235.00. Only thing I have upgraded is the sights. I always carry an extra magazine when carrying with it due to capacity limitation however. I have Glocks and many other carry pistols but this is usually my daily. It is one of the lowest profile and comfortable guns I carry in a good kydex holster, and is dead reliable. Is the trigger shit? Yes, but if you practice and learn it you know the take up and break point and it is not much of an issue in close defensive drills. If I need concealability in nothing but a t-shirt and jeans/shorts without print and tell, this is it. Best part? Made in the USA in the free state of Florida. I will be purchasing a PF-15 if I can find it.
Man I love my PF-9, parkerized finish still looks good and its never seen storage or, if im being honest, rarely experiences cleaning or fresh oil. Bought mine few weeks after debut for 299$ and id make that transaction again today without hesitation. finger ext fits my hand well enough, although its not a weapon i go "enjoy shooting" for an afternoon, its very manageable for what it is. couple buddies tried to pick on it at a bbq one day (one carries a glock subcompact the other an XD sub (my other favorite little guy) and put some beer money on a single shot from 50-ish yards at a dr.peppr can hangin in a tree... they emptied both guns without scratching the can, pulled my little terrible trigger 2'' barrel and put a +P hollow point right through the big D. no matter what you prefer to carry, you cant rely on it unless you put in the work to shoot it reliably.
I had a P11, and it did indeed have the worst trigger by far, not merely uncomfortable but downright painful. I tried the only aftermarket trigger upgrade, and it only reduced the pain.
I love Kel Tec, there I said it. My main carry gun is a pf9 despite having owned many more expensive guns. The main reason I carry it over my Glock is the width. That being said, now I want this big bro version. Thanks for reviewing it. I've been waiting to hear if there were any teething issues before pulling the trigger, so to speak.
I bought my first gun a decade ago, it was a pf9. I only had it for about a year before I sold it. Now over the last year I've become a big fan of keltec and I wish I never got rid of it.
I'll definitely take it for a spin when my local gun shop gets one in their rental fleet. Nice that Kel-Tec keeps bringing the affordable options for those that want or need it. I'll probably stick with my P365, but this might be a decent recommendation for people asking about a CCW option
I carry a kaltec everyday because of the size it's a great concealed Carrie. I may actually even purchase this new model if it turns out to be reliable and cost is low.
Kel Tec owner for years. Sold my P11 a few yrs ago don’t miss it though for reason you stated . Also got rid of my p3at which I regret. Still have and carry my KT.32. Looking forward to the P15. Thanks for the review. You did great I’m a new subscriber.
Can we get a durability test on this thing? Maybe a 500 round burndown? Trying to figure out if this lightweight sorcery has a cost in the form of lower durability and reliability
That's exactly what I want to see. I also want to know how it is to shoot without gloves. Does the trigger slap your finger under recoil. How aggressive are the grips under recoil? How difficult is it to keep or get back on target?
Many years ago, I passed my concealed carry license course in Memphis, TN with a Keltec P-11 after having left the U.S. Border Patrol, where we received special training in double action only firing for our similarly hard trigger pull Beretta Centurion slick slide .40 S and W service weapons. I was known as "that dead center guy" by my fellow class members, because of my special U.S. Border Patrol/FLETC Academy training. Please bring back the P-11! I still love it!
I still have the P11 . For years I carried it for my backup weapon. I learned how to quickly pull the trigger to a 3/4 cocked position which was much easier to then fire .
I just started supporting financially last week. Love you guys. No homo. Also, the P11 was my second handgun I ever owned. I ended up stretching the trigger spring there in the grip to lighten the trigger pull a bit 🤣
My first carry gun is a P11. Payed $180 for it and carried it for 2 years. Pry put a little less than 1k rds through it and had one light primer strike on a tula steel case round. Probably the safest and hardest to shoot gun I've ever owned. It's basically impossible to pull that trigger accidentally.
The trigger sounds like the trigger on my LCP Max. A friend who has had firearms for 40+ years looked at me when it did not fire for her at the range. I said just keep pulling on the trigger and it will fire. I like the sights on the LCP Max. I have read that they are an improvement over prior LCP model sights. MCarbo just released a trigger spring kit for the LCP Max. While the spring kit may improve the trigger pull for firing the gun I am a little concerned that it may make it too light especially for pocket carry.
@Ray Kettel is the lcp max hammer or striker fired? I had an original lcp first Gen for awhile, also had a hammer fired s&w bodyguard. The p11 is also hammer fired, but about twice as heavy as the others. I promise the lcp max isn't as bad as the p11. I carry a p365xl now. I would say the trigger is 5lbs. It's safe but you can't just throw it in your pocket. A proper holster is very important, but it's alot more firepower and easier to shoot than the sub compacts.
@@Bojangles6 The LCP Max is like the LCP II--both are hammer fired. S&W EZ is hammer fired too but the trigger is much better than on the LCP Max. The trigger on the Canik Rival is much lighter and has a crisp break and quick reset--very different than LCP Max and Taurus G3 series. It is great for IDPA/USPSA It too is much easier to shoot than the compact and micro handguns I have used at a range. The Shield Plus that someone lent me at the range may have been the exception. Other than a little muzzle snap due to its size I was right on target with all three shots and the trigger was nice. I always need a few first practice shots at range to get proper trigger pulls on my LCP Max and G3c. My LCP Max is placed in a pocket holster when I carry it in my pocket of my shorts in the summer so it should be safe if the Mcarbo kits lightens the trigger some. The LCP Max's other trigger issue is that many find it pinches their finger. Someone suggested trimming off the sharp edges. I did that to the trigger and also found that it eliminated the pinching. One reviewer said they got a blister on their finger after firing ~300 rounds during their testing. My finger was starting to hurt after just ~20 rounds before I removed the sharp edges.
@Ray Kettel I ground about 1/4" off the tip of the trigger on my p11 cause it pinched so bad. I have a canik tp9 elite sc and I can't say enough good things about the gun, especially for the value.
The p11 is the OG. It pioneered the removable chassis, high cap micro nine. it is the only piece I have with a belt clip attached, because it is highly functional. The kahr pistol was introduced the same year, but it was heavy and expensive and less reliable. I hate the double to single stack magazines of the competitors and much prefer the true double stack model 59 magazine of the keltec. Much easier to load, more capacity, and a long proven track record. Very excited for the p15, great video
The doublestack Smith mags are a true double stack double feed magazine? I did not know that. That style of mag is truly rare in the pistol world. I bet they are very reliable and easy to load too.
@@tylerwilliams6022I did not say double feed. The shield plus, p365, etc mags narrow from double to a single stack for the top 3/4 in. The model 59 magazine tapers to a single feed at the very top.
I've been a fan of Kel-Tec since the P-30 and P-11 days. *This* is a *must-buy!* I love the sights--that front sight is a nearly $100.00 upgrade for any other pistol--the size, and the safety and reliability. Thanks for the review, James, and I'll be getting some Lock-tite!
I appreciate what you mentioned about let user decide if he wants a longer or shorter mag but make the barrel longer and that is the easy part to conceal. I cannot tell you how valuable that statement was to me. That was a factor in me buying a Taurus G3XL, 4 inch barrel, 12 round mag, conceals very well. This gun cost me right at $300 after taxes and transfer fees. Shoots great, still no failures, only fired about 300 rounds so far.
I bought a P15 last week both for the price and the surprising smooth trigger. After 400 rounds, the front sight moved out of position and then fell out! I called Kel Tec and a new front sight is on the way without cost. it ain't beautiful, but it has a great trigger, ergonomics and of course cost. Before the front sight fell off, it was also very accurate! I'm keeping it.
I own both the P365 and the P365XL. Almost immediately I replaced the XL grip module with a standard 365 (shorter) grip module. Less printing and now I enjoy using all of the magazines in both guns. (I did replace the XL magazine base plate to the 365 12 round base for consistency.)
I own both as well but I have zero problem with the XL printing [no I dont appendix carry] ! I actually got an XMACRO grip module an put myXL slide on it for the 17+1 cap. It's only slightly larger than the XL an I STILL find it easy to CC w/o showing
THANK YOU for talking about the “negative X” issue! Keep the grip short for a more concealable option when it’s desired, and offer extended mags for higher capacity when that’s desired. It gives you more options with the same gun. 👌
James, I had the P11, and aside from 2 issues would still have it today. The first was it literally took the hide of my thumb knuckle but the killer for me was it shot several inches low at 7 yds. No matter which sight I put in it. I had different rear sights I got from Kel Tec. With that I lost confidence and traded it off. But it NEVER FAILED TO FIRE! Never failed extraction or chambering a round. At those most essential tasks it was as good or better than any of the top tier guns. And Shooting Surplus offered a 15 round mag for it which was a M59 mag with a glued on sleeve. Like you, I prefer a short grip with longer slide/bbl configuration. It is so annoying that the locking blocks for the G17 and G19 are different. I’d gladly sport a “G19L”.
I own 3 P11s, Never had an issue with any of them. They are so old the guide rods couldn’t be replaced with metal, but I did replace them with new polymer ones despite not needing to. The trigger took me a few dozen rounds to get used to initially, but now I prefer it. They are very accurate up to 75 feet or so. I want a P15 now !
@@pickleeater3102 meh, some folks don’t like hair triggers. I had an issued M-9 that if you sneezed around it in single action it would drop the hammer. Pretty sure it’s ONE of the reasons we started issuing clunky safari land holsters
I think James greatly admires George Kellgren, has a soft spot for the industrial build look, and is supportive of (if not cheering..) Kel-Tec to keep on improving. My cmr-30 is still in excellent working condition after 1000 rounds (.22 Mag.) My pmr-30 had problems from day 1 and m-carbo came to the rescue.. now it's a $700.00 pmr-30.. and still has extraction problems. I've seen both sides. This how you learn about Kel-Tec.. Dive in and see if you stick..
I've had a P-11 for a decade. It ain't pretty, but I have never had a failure to feed, fire, or eject. That trigger pull is hefty, but useable. My gripe is the 5¢ mushy plastic sights on the gun. Stock sights shoot a foot low at 50 ft out of mine, and the soft plastic won't keep them from sliding sideways with a gentle nudge. Epoxy fixed the shifting, but at a ten foot defensive distance, sights won't be an issue.
Keltec, of you're watching, I know you're the only one crazy enough to take on this task. PLEASE make an mp7 type pdw (magazine in grip) in 9mm. All I want is a magazine in grip loading 9mm pdw. Threaded barrel, 1913 stock adapter, some light and optic mounting space too.
I still l have a P11, it was pretty ahead of the game when I bought it 25 or 30 years ago. And now I can buy a new design that uses my old magazines? Where do I sign up...
My P11 was my first gun, bought at a pawn shop (where else?). It and it's shitty little gawdawful trigger will always hold a special place in my heart and in my collection. Love ya, lil P11
Okay, it’s a lot where I hear keltec isn’t reliable … I can’t tell you how many firearm stores I’ve been to which don’t even carry keltec because of quality issues … I love keltec, I like their innovation but you can’t deny they have major quality issues. Don’t sweep that under the rug!
Interesting. I still have, use and sometimes carry a P11. Bought it in 1995. Not the easiest gun to shoot well, but practical, functional and easy to conceal. It shoots well at typical self-defense distances.
Short grip and long barrel with a pic rail and an anti-blow your nuts off- grip safety... And takes smith 59 mags... This sounds like a win for KelTec. Well done review James. I think you should long term test it.
Awesome review and content: Personally I like a Kel Tec, they make a really reliable durable firearm, odd as some of them look. I wonder how that one will fit in my gorilla hands, or my wife's tinny hands but most of all, I have to ask is how is the recoil handle for a woman? I have been looking for a pistol small enough but controllable for my wife to handle. she ha a Walther PK380 but I rather have a 9mm..
Had two P11s the first, a "Blued" version rusted almost instantaneously and had feeding issues, even after I polished the feed ramp. The second one had a nickel-finished slide and barrel. Zero issues. I carried twelve-round mags and fitted it with a belt clip which eliminated the need for a holster and appendix carried it. As someone who used to carry the Beretta 92D as a duty gun, the 10lb trigger wasn't a big deal, in fact, it ensured no ADs. Sold it to my boss. Wish I had it back.
I carried and shot the pose out of a p11 for years. Mine threw ejectors every 1500 rounds or so. I lost 2 then upgraded to a Glock 43x with shield mags, then the shield mags gave me problems so I’m back to the standard 10s.
short of the grip pattern looking like it got dropped in a waffle maker before being boxed up, this is a pretty good gun at face value, and I've added this to my list of pistols to consider for CC when I turn 21 in the coming year.
Some points: I've owned several Kel-Tec pistols (P-32, P-11, P-9, P-40) and NONE of them have proven completely reliable. The P-32 was reliable enough that I was comfortable carrying it, but Kel-Tec bought back the P-40 after failing to make it reliable enough to fire a whole magazine without a jam after three trips back for repair. I currently own a Springfield XDM, a Springfield Hellcat, and a CZ-P01, all of which have been 100% reliable right out of the box with any ammo I've put through them. The longer-barrel, shorter butt concept is a valid one. Greater accuracy and velocity with very little decrease in concealability. I would carry the P-15 with a 12-rd flush fitting magazine for concealability, with a 15-rd magazine as a spare. I especially like the grip safety, with the option to deactivate it. However, those who carry a P-15 for "serious social occasions" should be aware that deactivating any safety feature on a carry firearm leaves one liable to not-so-subtle innuendos from an opposing attorney in both criminal and civil court should the weapon be used for its intended purpose. FWIW.
Enter the P15 into your Compact 9mm Handgun Chart you created last year. I bet it goes straight to the top of the list. That would complete an excellent objective and subjective review.
TEC-9, the only weapon I've ever fired that stove pipes on WWB and in doing so puts an unholy permanent divot in the feed ramp. Thusly removing the possibility of ever being reliable again. What a POS. I loved reading the Keltec forums where guys have to do a "fluff and buff" job on their shitty PF-9s etc to get them to work. Doing the finishing the factory should have done. Then I got to see future models that were completely redesigned, like almost 100%, thus proving the early models were garbage that should have been left on the R&D floor.
I’d have no problem picking one up. I picked up a P11 just after they came out that served me well for quite a few years, and I still have a P32 and a P3AT that are still good to go. Not saying that I haven’t moved on to other makes, but I wouldn’t hesitate to use them if the need arose.
@@Zoco101 The P32 is a sweet super light little pocket pistol that's fun to shoot with it's almost non-existent recoil. It is most definitely a close range point shooter as the sights are almost as non-existent as the recoil, Lol. I've moved on to 380's as dedicated pocket pistols which do have a lot more "snap' to them than a 32 of course.
I've never been a Kel-Tec kinda guy...HOWEVER..when I see a 1000 round review WITH NO ISSUES I'll will have one!!! Because it damn sure looks as good as anyone would want... IMO
I have a Keltec P11 and I love it. Only downside is trigger pull being about 8 to 10 lbs like you said but other than that I got no complaints. So not everyone has forgotten about the P11 😅 I keep it oiled and she cycles just fine. Now I'm interested in that P15 ... thanks for the good breakdown.
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James, I appreciate that you don’t take money from companies for reviews, but I still feel like you treated this review with baby hands. Maybe you want to keep a good relationship to receive more products from them in the future, maybe you have gone soft. A sight that loses zero and shifts is absolutely unacceptable. I shouldn’t need a tool kit to run drills at the range. I cannot believe you basically gave it a recommendation for its price point. If it was a Taurus everyone would be jumping on it and saying how’s it a piece of junk. However, a KelTec with a subpar coating, outdated grip safety, mushy trigger, and unreliable sights seems to get a “preference” pass on this one. If you are hiding anything in those short shorts, stand strong to make companies do better.
That's a fair assessment. Obviously I think this was a level review when I'm forming my opinion relative to cost. For what you get at (what will probably be) less than $400 street, I think I can live with having to get the sight fixed (or setting it in place). I may have just had a bad one. At the end of the day, I presented you the factual truth and I gave you my assessment. You are free to make your own assessment and disagree with mine, but the important part is that I gave you all of the facts, good or bad, and you can form your own opinion from that and discard mine. Bottom line; I think there's a lot of value here for what it's probably going to street for. It's certainly not a Sig or a Glock, but it does offer a lot of features (TFO nightsights, 4" barrel, low weight, high capacity) for the price.
Thanks for sharing your opinion of my review somewhat respectfully.
“Good evening, TFBTV fans. This pistol is junk. Until next time, goodnight.”
He did a fair assessment, and in reality, he can hit a target accurately with a sub 4lb trigger. Therefore it still beats a name brand like the P365 SAS.
I like it and I like the review. It’s like McDonald’s. It’s so subjective. Is a cheap McMuffin and hash browns actually very good or the worst sandwich and breakfast on the planet? It is cheap garbage, yet … is it?
Edit: grammar
"I don't like your review" watches the whole thing and then writes a book about it. Seems that James knows what he's talking about, since 1.25 million people have taken the time to smash that "Subscribe Button". And he also put the P15 in the category of Hi-Point!
BS! He didn't baby this at all the gun performed well and that's simply all there is to it. I was watching for this too but I didn't feel like that was going on at all. He even s*** on their crappy blued finishes and the sight drifting out not being cool. What else is he supposed to do? Leave a flaming dog turd at the guy's door?
@@searchBLOC941 He brings up fair arguements. Any expert should recieve and be able to stand up to criticism
"You can deactivate the grip or magazine safeties via a switch". Kelgren's not the designer we deserve. But he's the designer we need.
And he’s doing God’s work by arming us poors.
Pretty sweet. Its low cost and it looks ugly but man there is a lot of value there. Safeties you can deactivate. High capacity. The sights actually might be better than the sig M18 😂 you look at the cost of a Beretta and it's a nice gun but this is light and cheap so if it gets seized for investigation or whatever it's not that much money out of the pocket.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss have you seen the other version with wood grips?
The fact that you can deactivate those as fucking awesome that stops a lot of people from buying guns that have grip safeties it stopped me a few times one of the reasons I never owned a XD
Grip safeties need to go the way of the dodo
James is an expert in small and light packages. This is right up his alley.
ZING!
Ooh burn! Lol
Yankee Marshall is carrying a much more compact piece I'm sure.
His problem is failure to eject lol.
That happens when you’re on TRT. Whelp, can’t win ‘em all!
He does handle a lot of them on mail day videos, so this makes sense.
Waiting on keltec to make a modern day broomhandle mauser that shoots five seven mags.
I'm waiting on them for a tactical version of a Welrod that shoots gyrojets
Don't let their R&D see this! The P50 idea was supposed to be a joke!
p50 and r50 got get it
do i have news for you
@@dr.thunder2632I came here to say this 😅😂
The most underrated and undeservedly hated on gun manufacturer by far. Super innovative, super affordable, and great customer service.
That quote from George Kellgren is why he is forever cemented as my hero. A man who truly understands what the enthusiasts wants.
He's either that or the industry's greatest shitposter. Either way, a definite hero.
What timestamp is that quote
Say what you want about Kel-tec, the ideas and innovations are top tier. Execution is a different story, but generally, the concepts are great
Things just get a little hairy when you go mega innovative.
It’s like their R&D is on blow.
My thoughts exactly. Most of their stuff isn’t really my kind of thing (and the stuff that I WOULD go for, tend to be the ones that end up falling well short on delivering on the idea behind it) but damn it they are definitely the most creative and innovative company out there. And I respect that. I wish more companies were willing to follow their example and push the envelope on features and aesthetics like Kel-tec does.
@@hkfifty871 I dont think ive ever seen another company other than S&W try to emulate the KSG. I still want one but def more of a just because than a user gun. Still no other company that Ive seen as of late has put any sort of real competition forward
@@texmex8220 imagine a semi auto KSG
The new P15 is a much welcomed addition to the Kel-Tec catalog, but I too still think of the old P11... usually when I am cleaning the litterboxes... and immediately am reminded of the P11 trigger.
I hated that little POS pistol....bloody hell but it was BAD all the way around
@@ssnerd583back in the day I had a Grendel P10. The P11 is a HUGE upgrade.
HORRIBLE TRIGGER P11
I'm glad somebody with presence is finally talking about how the micro compact double stack category of firearms was not created by Sig, and that Kel-Tec beat them to it by 20 years...
It's amazing how so many so-called gun experts on the internet don't seem to have the first f****** clue.
Nice to find another Kel-Tec fan. I have been a big fan of them for many years now, always impressed by their level of innovation, their price point, and (in my experience) reliability. Over the years I've had a SUB-2000, an SU-16, a P3AT, and a PF-9. Some day I would like to add a KSG-12, a PMR-30, and now a P15! Very underrated company by a lot of people, in my opinion.
Thank you so much for your comment regarding the fact that the grip should be shorter and the barrel longer. That is what I have been thinking for years and I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one thinking that companies are doing things backwards with the shorter barrel and longer grip
They make them for clearing duty rigs, not for increased concealability
Shorter barrel and longer grips make sense when you are a police officer or military open carrying: you get two extra rounds and the short barrel not only is easier to clear the holster, but it also won’t rest on the vehicle seat and dig the rear of the slide against your flank.
I think Glock would of had some awesome sales if they offered a G19 with a G26 length frame. I saw a custom made one using a G19 with a chopped frame. It looked really slick.
Probably too late now, as even the small G26 isn't that compact compared to newer models from other manufacturers.
I was however intrigued by the new Taurus GX4L. It's the 11rnd Taurus GX4 with a longer slide.
I agree with you 100% I’ve been saying the same thing. Some Insight I got from a source I have at Glock says the reason they came out with the 45 after the 19x was specifically ment to be a LEO sidearm but also sold on the civilian market. For cops who are open carrying on the hip from what I’m told the shorter barrel and slide helps with little things like getting in and out of the car without the gun hitting the seat. I guess it makes sense but then we see companies like Taurus following the trend knowing damn well no police department is carrying around taurus g3x or whatever they call them.
Hopefully Glock comes out with a “17x” 17 slide on a 19 frame and I’d buy it asap.
Exactly. When the 19X was announced I was thinking who tf wants that?
It is nice to see the P11 get some of its due: the new "wonder micro nines" are late to the game.
I got one of the first ones in 1995...while not great I never found the trigger horrible. When I finally got a trigger scale it came out at about 8.5#. And now I have a trigger kit to lighten it anyway!
Glad to see the P15 is getting out.
I bought a P11 in 2006 and still carry it as backup in my security job. It has the worst trigger pull of any gun I ever fired but's been %100 reliable and offers a decent hold if you add the pinky extension to the magazine.
Amazing
My P15 has replaced my PF9 as my favorite CC pistol. I think James did a great review.
I have owned Kel-Tecs for years. This will likely be my next one !
A long time ago a friend of mine had a 1911 built with an aluminum officers model frame and a commander slide and Barrel. Using a Chip McCormick magazine the gun told eight rounds of 45 ACP. His backup gun was a Kel-Tec P3AT.
Looks like a great micro 9, I recently picked up the Kel Tec P17 22lr, really love it and shoot it often
Dude this is a perfect gun for anything to do with having fun outside. Buy one for the boat, buy one for the truck, buy one for riding the jet ski, buy one for the garage or to keep in the barn or the whatever things that you don’t want to use your expensive equipment for.
Love the video - thanks for your honesty! I’ve carried a P11 for about 5 years with an Armalaser and Twisted Industry sites. So tired of people not either knowing or acknowledging that Keltec had a sub-compact before the P365. For that matter, so did SCCY-CPX2 which I also carry. The triggers are decent when you get used to them. It took some getting used to with the Hellcat and the R7 Mako. I think Keltec products are great. Try the P17 (22lr) or the Sub2000 (9mm folding carbine). Your video on the P15 was real. Thanks!
George Kellgren didn't invent the Tec-9. He invented the KG-99 at Interdynamic. The KG-99 was copied by Intratec and made the Tec-9 and cheaply with stamped instead of milled sights and a crimped trunnion instead of welded. Kelgren had sold his business to Garcia his partner who named it Intratec and who cheaped out on production quality.
My primary carry is a Keltec PF-9 (7+1 - the single stack to the P-11) and has been for years (11 years). I have put more rounds through it than I can count without an issue. I bought it brand new in 2011 for $235.00. Only thing I have upgraded is the sights. I always carry an extra magazine when carrying with it due to capacity limitation however. I have Glocks and many other carry pistols but this is usually my daily.
It is one of the lowest profile and comfortable guns I carry in a good kydex holster, and is dead reliable. Is the trigger shit? Yes, but if you practice and learn it you know the take up and break point and it is not much of an issue in close defensive drills. If I need concealability in nothing but a t-shirt and jeans/shorts without print and tell, this is it.
Best part? Made in the USA in the free state of Florida.
I will be purchasing a PF-15 if I can find it.
Love my Pf 9. It runs flawless for me.
It’s 180 bucks on psa today 😉
Man I love my PF-9, parkerized finish still looks good and its never seen storage or, if im being honest, rarely experiences cleaning or fresh oil. Bought mine few weeks after debut for 299$ and id make that transaction again today without hesitation. finger ext fits my hand well enough, although its not a weapon i go "enjoy shooting" for an afternoon, its very manageable for what it is. couple buddies tried to pick on it at a bbq one day (one carries a glock subcompact the other an XD sub (my other favorite little guy) and put some beer money on a single shot from 50-ish yards at a dr.peppr can hangin in a tree... they emptied both guns without scratching the can, pulled my little terrible trigger 2'' barrel and put a +P hollow point right through the big D. no matter what you prefer to carry, you cant rely on it unless you put in the work to shoot it reliably.
I had a P11, and it did indeed have the worst trigger by far, not merely uncomfortable but downright painful. I tried the only aftermarket trigger upgrade, and it only reduced the pain.
I love Kel Tec, there I said it. My main carry gun is a pf9 despite having owned many more expensive guns. The main reason I carry it over my Glock is the width. That being said, now I want this big bro version. Thanks for reviewing it. I've been waiting to hear if there were any teething issues before pulling the trigger, so to speak.
I bought my first gun a decade ago, it was a pf9. I only had it for about a year before I sold it. Now over the last year I've become a big fan of keltec and I wish I never got rid of it.
I'll definitely take it for a spin when my local gun shop gets one in their rental fleet. Nice that Kel-Tec keeps bringing the affordable options for those that want or need it.
I'll probably stick with my P365, but this might be a decent recommendation for people asking about a CCW option
I carry a kaltec everyday because of the size it's a great concealed Carrie. I may actually even purchase this new model if it turns out to be reliable and cost is low.
Kel Tec owner for years. Sold my P11 a few yrs ago don’t miss it though for reason you stated . Also got rid of my p3at which I regret. Still have and carry my KT.32. Looking forward to the P15. Thanks for the review. You did great I’m a new subscriber.
Can we get a durability test on this thing? Maybe a 500 round burndown? Trying to figure out if this lightweight sorcery has a cost in the form of lower durability and reliability
That's exactly what I want to see. I also want to know how it is to shoot without gloves. Does the trigger slap your finger under recoil. How aggressive are the grips under recoil? How difficult is it to keep or get back on target?
Kel-Tec is literally the only gun company that innovates. Prove me wrong
I'd wish they had Glock's quality tho.
P365
Sig p320
Sig enough said
Hell
My 1st p11 was so good I bought the p40 with a 357 sig conversion barrel. I shoot the p40 the best. Still have both and carry it all the time.
I can’t stand the overall aesthetic of Kel-Tec, but they deserve a place in the industry for their simple vision of innovation and experimentation.
Many years ago, I passed my concealed carry license course in Memphis, TN with a Keltec P-11 after having left the U.S. Border Patrol, where we received special training in double action only firing for our similarly hard trigger pull Beretta Centurion slick slide .40 S and W service weapons. I was known as "that dead center guy" by my fellow class members, because of my special U.S. Border Patrol/FLETC Academy training. Please bring back the P-11! I still love it!
I have the P17, PMR30 and CMR30 and I'm very happy with them all.
I have the PMR 30, P15, and P17. How do you like the CMR? That’s next up for me.
Add the sub 2000
I still have the P11 . For years I carried it for my backup weapon. I learned how to quickly pull the trigger to a 3/4 cocked position which was much easier to then fire .
I just started supporting financially last week. Love you guys. No homo. Also, the P11 was my second handgun I ever owned. I ended up stretching the trigger spring there in the grip to lighten the trigger pull a bit 🤣
Got me a KelTec PMR30 and love it. I'd try the P15.
My first carry gun is a P11. Payed $180 for it and carried it for 2 years. Pry put a little less than 1k rds through it and had one light primer strike on a tula steel case round. Probably the safest and hardest to shoot gun I've ever owned. It's basically impossible to pull that trigger accidentally.
The trigger sounds like the trigger on my LCP Max. A friend who has had firearms for 40+ years looked at me when it did not fire for her at the range. I said just keep pulling on the trigger and it will fire. I like the sights on the LCP Max. I have read that they are an improvement over prior LCP model sights. MCarbo just released a trigger spring kit for the LCP Max. While the spring kit may improve the trigger pull for firing the gun I am a little concerned that it may make it too light especially for pocket carry.
@Ray Kettel is the lcp max hammer or striker fired? I had an original lcp first Gen for awhile, also had a hammer fired s&w bodyguard. The p11 is also hammer fired, but about twice as heavy as the others. I promise the lcp max isn't as bad as the p11. I carry a p365xl now. I would say the trigger is 5lbs. It's safe but you can't just throw it in your pocket. A proper holster is very important, but it's alot more firepower and easier to shoot than the sub compacts.
@@Bojangles6 The LCP Max is like the LCP II--both are hammer fired. S&W EZ is hammer fired too but the trigger is much better than on the LCP Max. The trigger on the Canik Rival is much lighter and has a crisp break and quick reset--very different than LCP Max and Taurus G3 series. It is great for IDPA/USPSA It too is much easier to shoot than the compact and micro handguns I have used at a range. The Shield Plus that someone lent me at the range may have been the exception. Other than a little muzzle snap due to its size I was right on target with all three shots and the trigger was nice. I always need a few first practice shots at range to get proper trigger pulls on my LCP Max and G3c. My LCP Max is placed in a pocket holster when I carry it in my pocket of my shorts in the summer so it should be safe if the Mcarbo kits lightens the trigger some. The LCP Max's other trigger issue is that many find it pinches their finger. Someone suggested trimming off the sharp edges. I did that to the trigger and also found that it eliminated the pinching. One reviewer said they got a blister on their finger after firing ~300 rounds during their testing. My finger was starting to hurt after just ~20 rounds before I removed the sharp edges.
@Ray Kettel I ground about 1/4" off the tip of the trigger on my p11 cause it pinched so bad. I have a canik tp9 elite sc and I can't say enough good things about the gun, especially for the value.
Thanks!
The p11 is the OG. It pioneered the removable chassis, high cap micro nine. it is the only piece I have with a belt clip attached, because it is highly functional.
The kahr pistol was introduced the same year, but it was heavy and expensive and less reliable.
I hate the double to single stack magazines of the competitors and much prefer the true double stack model 59 magazine of the keltec. Much easier to load, more capacity, and a long proven track record.
Very excited for the p15, great video
The doublestack Smith mags are a true double stack double feed magazine?
I did not know that.
That style of mag is truly rare in the pistol world. I bet they are very reliable and easy to load too.
@@tylerwilliams6022I did not say double feed. The shield plus, p365, etc mags narrow from double to a single stack for the top 3/4 in.
The model 59 magazine tapers to a single feed at the very top.
I bought my P11 in the late 90s for $169 brand new. Never had a problem with it and ended up trading it to a friend for a Rossi 357 Magnum.
In what alien world is a Kahr K9 "less reliable" tham a Kel-Tec P11?
The 5906 magazine also works in the P11 for 15 rounds
I've been a fan of Kel-Tec since the P-30 and P-11 days. *This* is a *must-buy!*
I love the sights--that front sight is a nearly $100.00 upgrade for any other pistol--the size, and the safety and reliability. Thanks for the review, James, and I'll be getting some Lock-tite!
I appreciate what you mentioned about let user decide if he wants a longer or shorter mag but make the barrel longer and that is the easy part to conceal. I cannot tell you how valuable that statement was to me. That was a factor in me buying a Taurus G3XL, 4 inch barrel, 12 round mag, conceals very well. This gun cost me right at $300 after taxes and transfer fees. Shoots great, still no failures, only fired about 300 rounds so far.
I'm glad to know that the P15 isn't just vaporware. I've been hearing about this gun for over a year now
I bought a P15 last week both for the price and the surprising smooth trigger. After 400 rounds, the front sight moved out of position and then fell out! I called Kel Tec and a new front sight is on the way without cost. it ain't beautiful, but it has a great trigger, ergonomics and of course cost. Before the front sight fell off, it was also very accurate! I'm keeping it.
I've had more shit on >$800 Kimbers break in less than 500 rounds than just a front sight coming loose...
Keltec does have great customer service!!!
I own both the P365 and the P365XL. Almost immediately I replaced the XL grip module with a standard 365 (shorter) grip module. Less printing and now I enjoy using all of the magazines in both guns. (I did replace the XL magazine base plate to the 365 12 round base for consistency.)
I own both as well but I have zero problem with the XL printing [no I dont appendix carry] !
I actually got an XMACRO grip module an put myXL slide on it for the 17+1 cap.
It's only slightly larger than the XL an I STILL find it easy to CC w/o showing
THANK YOU for talking about the “negative X” issue! Keep the grip short for a more concealable option when it’s desired, and offer extended mags for higher capacity when that’s desired. It gives you more options with the same gun. 👌
So... Any word on the metal frame P15? Because I'll pick THAT one up in a heartbeat.
James, I had the P11, and aside from 2 issues would still have it today. The first was it literally took the hide of my thumb knuckle but the killer for me was it shot several inches low at 7 yds. No matter which sight I put in it. I had different rear sights I got from Kel Tec. With that I lost confidence and traded it off. But it NEVER FAILED TO FIRE! Never failed extraction or chambering a round. At those most essential tasks it was as good or better than any of the top tier guns.
And Shooting Surplus offered a 15 round mag for it which was a M59 mag with a glued on sleeve.
Like you, I prefer a short grip with longer slide/bbl configuration. It is so annoying that the locking blocks for the G17 and G19 are different. I’d gladly sport a “G19L”.
I love my Kel-Tec RDB & RFB. I'll probably buy this if I can get my hands on one
MidwayUSA appears to have a metal frame P15 for $800 listed. It's not available but listed. Mixed emotion about that since the M&P 9 metal is so nice.
I own 3 P11s, Never had an issue with any of them. They are so old the guide rods couldn’t be replaced with metal, but I did replace them with new polymer ones despite not needing to. The trigger took me a few dozen rounds to get used to initially, but now I prefer it. They are very accurate up to 75 feet or so. I want a P15 now !
Never shoot a 1911 or even a CZ-75; you'll trade or sell all three of your P-11's. Worst trigger ever.
@@pickleeater3102 meh, some folks don’t like hair triggers. I had an issued M-9 that if you sneezed around it in single action it would drop the hammer. Pretty sure it’s ONE of the reasons we started issuing clunky safari land holsters
@@jamesandrew6211 yeah, not necessarily super light trigger pulls, but smooth with no grit or stacking; my P-11 had both in spades.
The p11 was the first gun I bought, and the only gun I’ve ever sold. It served its duty until I had more money and more guns.
I still occasionally shoot my P11. It's awful, but reliable. I really like that it uses easy to find S&W39/59 clipazines.
59 only. 39 is single stack....now you got me thinking if the pf9 would accept model 39 mags...?
@@Swishersweetcigarilo my pf9 takes s&w 908 mags.
@@Swishersweetcigarilo Thanks for catching that.
I had to pay a high price at a gun show for a spare mag.
@@johnbicknell8512 Then you got robbed. That's on you.
THANK YOU!! finally someone else that thinks that a longer frame and shorter barrel is ass backwards!
I think James greatly admires George Kellgren, has a soft spot for the industrial build look, and is supportive of (if not cheering..) Kel-Tec to keep on improving. My cmr-30 is still in excellent working condition after 1000 rounds (.22 Mag.) My pmr-30 had problems from day 1 and m-carbo came to the rescue.. now it's a $700.00 pmr-30.. and still has extraction problems. I've seen both sides. This how you learn about Kel-Tec.. Dive in and see if you stick..
I was lucky enough to meet George a few years ago, super nice down to earth gentleman.
11:35 “not get stabbed by a Crack Hobo” had me rolling!!!
James has the same weird love for keltec that hop has for Taurus
I've had a P-11 for a decade. It ain't pretty, but I have never had a failure to feed, fire, or eject. That trigger pull is hefty, but useable. My gripe is the 5¢ mushy plastic sights on the gun. Stock sights shoot a foot low at 50 ft out of mine, and the soft plastic won't keep them from sliding sideways with a gentle nudge. Epoxy fixed the shifting, but at a ten foot defensive distance, sights won't be an issue.
Owning a Kel-Tec is the only way to not get called a "poor" by James.
Good review, Im going to buy one and see how I like it. Thanks
I'm absolutely on board with Kel TEC.
I've got a CMR-30 and it's, hands down, my favorite rifle. This P-15 looks sharp!! I'm for it.
How reliable is the cmr? I’ve always wanted one
I love keltec, the p17 is the funnest 22lr pistol I've ever shot.
If you have a CMR-30 you know that the PMR-30 Pistol takes the same magazine and is the a GREAT GUN
Keltec, of you're watching, I know you're the only one crazy enough to take on this task. PLEASE make an mp7 type pdw (magazine in grip) in 9mm.
All I want is a magazine in grip loading 9mm pdw. Threaded barrel, 1913 stock adapter, some light and optic mounting space too.
Bought my P11 over 20 years ago, my first CC gun. It lives in my car as a backup gun, bad trigger but reliable
Can’t be worse than the smith and Wesson body guard trigger 😂
I still l have a P11, it was pretty ahead of the game when I bought it 25 or 30 years ago. And now I can buy a new design that uses my old magazines? Where do I sign up...
My P11 was my first gun, bought at a pawn shop (where else?). It and it's shitty little gawdawful trigger will always hold a special place in my heart and in my collection. Love ya, lil P11
Okay, it’s a lot where I hear keltec isn’t reliable … I can’t tell you how many firearm stores I’ve been to which don’t even carry keltec because of quality issues … I love keltec, I like their innovation but you can’t deny they have major quality issues. Don’t sweep that under the rug!
Love the review thanks
Interesting. I still have, use and sometimes carry a P11. Bought it in 1995. Not the easiest gun to shoot well, but practical, functional and easy to conceal. It shoots well at typical self-defense distances.
Looks pretty badass for sure. Great video as always
The one OMG of this...a manufacturer who actually has instructions to de-activate mag safeties...F yeah.
Short grip and long barrel with a pic rail and an anti-blow your nuts off- grip safety... And takes smith 59 mags... This sounds like a win for KelTec. Well done review James. I think you should long term test it.
Dammit , Jamie. Every time I think I don't want a Keltec, here you come with another video reminding me how cool they are.
I'd love to see a head to head with the GX4 XL
I've never had a bad experience with any keltec.
My buddy who has a ksg tho. Spent alot of time going back and forth to keltec for work
Awesome review and content: Personally I like a Kel Tec, they make a really reliable durable firearm, odd as some of them look. I wonder how that one will fit in my gorilla hands, or my wife's tinny hands but most of all, I have to ask is how is the recoil handle for a woman? I have been looking for a pistol small enough but controllable for my wife to handle. she ha a Walther PK380 but I rather have a 9mm..
Had two P11s the first, a "Blued" version rusted almost instantaneously and had feeding issues, even after I polished the feed ramp. The second one had a nickel-finished slide and barrel. Zero issues. I carried twelve-round mags and fitted it with a belt clip which eliminated the need for a holster and appendix carried it. As someone who used to carry the Beretta 92D as a duty gun, the 10lb trigger wasn't a big deal, in fact, it ensured no ADs. Sold it to my boss. Wish I had it back.
I was thinking that this would be a chassis platform pistol. Glad this is the case. Excited for this.
One of my Polymer80's has a Glock 17 slide on a Glock 19 frame. I think the longer slide and shorter grip is perfect for a concealed carry gun.
Requesting a modernized version of the 1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless in 30 SuperCarry!!!
If someone shot me with that thing, i'd get up, say it's an honor, kneel and apologize for whatever reason I might've been shot
Dude, that would be awesome! I'd get get one to go with my old 1903 Colt.
Just go to 32ACP and skip the boutique 30 SC ("Soon Cancelled") round. But if you do that you could go with a KelTec P-32 for far less money.
I carried and shot the pose out of a p11 for years. Mine threw ejectors every 1500 rounds or so. I lost 2 then upgraded to a Glock 43x with shield mags, then the shield mags gave me problems so I’m back to the standard 10s.
short of the grip pattern looking like it got dropped in a waffle maker before being boxed up, this is a pretty good gun at face value, and I've added this to my list of pistols to consider for CC when I turn 21 in the coming year.
As a PF-9 owner I think this a great new weapon. Will ask Santa for this under the tree. 🎄🎅
Gun snob comes out of the Kel-Tec closet! 🤣
Seems like a great purchase for a girls first ccw, my gf needs a handgun
And this might be it
If you're about to get stabbed by a crack hobo you won't even be looking at your sights
Brownells Alumahyde is criminally underrated. It’s tough for a spray on finish and it keeps my Remington 870 from rusting
Some points: I've owned several Kel-Tec pistols (P-32, P-11, P-9, P-40) and NONE of them have proven completely reliable. The P-32 was reliable enough that I was comfortable carrying it, but Kel-Tec bought back the P-40 after failing to make it reliable enough to fire a whole magazine without a jam after three trips back for repair. I currently own a Springfield XDM, a Springfield Hellcat, and a CZ-P01, all of which have been 100% reliable right out of the box with any ammo I've put through them.
The longer-barrel, shorter butt concept is a valid one. Greater accuracy and velocity with very little decrease in concealability. I would carry the P-15 with a 12-rd flush fitting magazine for concealability, with a 15-rd magazine as a spare. I especially like the grip safety, with the option to deactivate it. However, those who carry a P-15 for "serious social occasions" should be aware that deactivating any safety feature on a carry firearm leaves one liable to not-so-subtle innuendos from an opposing attorney in both criminal and civil court should the weapon be used for its intended purpose. FWIW.
Enter the P15 into your Compact 9mm Handgun Chart you created last year. I bet it goes straight to the top of the list. That would complete an excellent objective and subjective review.
I still cc the p11 with the little belt clip on the side and green furniture
TEC-9, the only weapon I've ever fired that stove pipes on WWB and in doing so puts an unholy permanent divot in the feed ramp. Thusly removing the possibility of ever being reliable again. What a POS. I loved reading the Keltec forums where guys have to do a "fluff and buff" job on their shitty PF-9s etc to get them to work. Doing the finishing the factory should have done. Then I got to see future models that were completely redesigned, like almost 100%, thus proving the early models were garbage that should have been left on the R&D floor.
It's complex. The very early models were reliable and are the most desirable. Explanation in this vid: th-cam.com/video/VQ7jXIs-ZMU/w-d-xo.html
@@tfbtv Cool. Thanks.
I’d have no problem picking one up. I picked up a P11 just after they came out that served me well for quite a few years, and I still have a P32 and a P3AT that are still good to go.
Not saying that I haven’t moved on to other makes, but I wouldn’t hesitate to use them if the need arose.
Do you enjoy shooting your P-32?
@@Zoco101 The P32 is a sweet super light little pocket pistol that's fun to shoot with it's almost non-existent recoil. It is most definitely a close range point shooter as the sights are almost as non-existent as the recoil, Lol.
I've moved on to 380's as dedicated pocket pistols which do have a lot more "snap' to them than a 32 of course.
A p11 saved my life. Luckily I didn't need to actually fire it.
My P-11 went back right away because of bad rifling. They did a trigger job and smoothed it out considerably. I had it back in less than two weeks.
when you make a pistol outta pot metal and recycled nerf guns its pretty easy to keep it light weight
Enjoyed the review, thanks.
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I've never been a Kel-Tec kinda guy...HOWEVER..when I see a 1000 round review WITH NO ISSUES I'll will have one!!! Because it damn sure looks as good as anyone would want... IMO
I'm all for the two options the p15 is launching with. Got the one shown, or the walnut and metal frame option which is like 550ish and up.
James a good simple review 👍 introducing us to a new product. Will be waiting for a longer tested review and maybe alongside Nutn 😅
I have a Keltec P11 and I love it. Only downside is trigger pull being about 8 to 10 lbs like you said but other than that I got no complaints. So not everyone has forgotten about the P11 😅 I keep it oiled and she cycles just fine. Now I'm interested in that P15 ... thanks for the good breakdown.
8-10 lb trigger pull?? (Laughs in 12 lb New York trigger on my G22, a former duty weapon I still shoot very well).