Setting Your Crossover to 80Hz or Can You Go LOWER? Speaker Crossover Setting
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- Gene from Audioholics discusses if it's safe to use a crossover setting lower than 80hz.
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I think there are a lot of miss conceptions and information about running speakers full range. When I first started in the Home Theater industry, I used to always set my towers to full range until I truly understood what is happening and bass management. There are a lot of benefits of NOT setting your speakers to full range and many times people can be missing information. For some, your main speakers may actually extend down to 30Hz or lower. The temptation will be to set these speakers to LARGE. The setting is there so there must be a place for its use, right? Actually, it's usually recommend setting almost all speakers to SMALL, even if they are physically large tower speakers. Here’s why: Even though those towers have a low extension, they won’t necessarily go down to the lowest range of your subwoofer as linearly and free of compression. The problem with the LARGE setting is: the ultra low frequency information will not be heard if the speaker cannot reproduce it. Well if by some chance you were able to get your main speakers bass extension flat down to 20Hz, then adding the subwoofer on top of that would yield too much (up to 6dB) of bass output at the frequencies both are producing. Hence integration between the loudspeakers and subwoofer will be poor and the bass may be overpowering, sloppy and/or boomy. Also, if you set the crossover frequency to, say, 80Hz, now we are using all of its supplied amplifier power to deliver a relatively easy workload of frequency information. Reduced signal 80Hz is being sent to the speaker making it less stressed and resulting in less overall distortion. There are many of other benefits here and many times when having your speakers full range you will actually lose bass. How? Because bass isn't directional and less signal is usually sent to the subwoofer. Better bass management allows you to avoid phasing issues associated with having multiple sources producing bass frequencies located at different distances between the listener and center channel speaker. In essence you are almost guaranteed better system bass integration with one subwoofer and all speakers set “Small” than using a subwoofer and all full range speakers set “Large”. To his point about hearing bass from the back speaker, low frequency information below 120Hz is, for the most part, non-directional, meaning that even if the info is crossing over from a surround channel, you won’t know it. The effect will still sound like its coming from the surround, thanks to the principles of psycho-acoustics. Another misconception is if a speaker is rated to go down to 60Hz than we set it to 60Hz on the crossover. You would really want to set the crossover about 1/2 octave higher than the lowest frequency the smallest loudspeaker in the system can effectively reproduce. For example, if your main speakers are rated flat down to 60Hz, then set the crossover to around 80Hz for those channels. Whenever you set a speaker to, let's say 60Hz, that isn't a brick wall. In other words, there is a roll off to the subwoofer. I apologize for all the information but there is a lot to cover. At the end of the day, it's your system and you should do what you want with it but dont be stubborn or afraid to try things and not set your towers to small just because. You might(and probably are) be missing on better sound.
This is correct! And I’d also like to add that running a speaker at full range, even large towers can cause intermodulation distortion. So as the speakers tries to play the high frequencies and the low frequencies at the same time, typically the lower frequencies will be moving the speaker at much larger distances causing distortion in the higher frequencies by modulating them with incorrect speaker movement. Also you will get MUCH more output from your towers or bookshelfs by setting the crossover to 80hz simply because you are giving those speaker so much more headroom by allowing them to only run frequencies they were meant to produce. Also 80hz is still pretty low. There is no real reason to have anything under 80hz in your surrounds as it will just muddy up the clarity and everything under 80hz is pretty non-directional anyway.
Have my speakers all set to small and fronts crossed over at 60hz ? The rest 80hz. My fronts are Focal Aria 936
Other thing is when we set the speakers to small it's just a roll off on the basses area. Am I right?
Question, does a crossover still works when you set your speakers to full range?
Thanks man!
Shane the reason for the 80hz crossover is because you can't localize sounds below 80hz in a room your size. If you are hearing shotgun blast sounds coming from speakers behind you the sounds you are able to localize are above 80hz.
best advice guys is try all scenarios and use your hearing to determinate what u like the most.. its matter of few clicks - i have mine on 60 hz crossover works best for MY speakers in MY room in MY ears..
Very good topic!
I have five Kef ls50' s for my home theater and I am using Arcam 550 receiver. It took me two years to figure out that I was missing out on bass.
Once I adjusted my dirac settings equalizer to raising up 11 dB to the 40 Hz, 50 Hz, 60 Hz, 80 Hz, and 100 Hz,, while lowering my receiver crossover to 50 Hz, I noticed a tremendous amount of improvement with sound. And I played loud in enough to the point that it was uncomfortable to my ears. So far, no problem with the speakers or receiver, and it's been over three months now.
When my brother came into my room to watch a movie, he said, "wait, I hear so much bass coming from the front."
And a good bass at that, not a struggling bass. I have two subwoofers to contribute to the lower end below 50 Hz..
Not only that, but the music sounds way better as well. I prefer to listen in surround mode rather than the two fronts. With that said, the whole room brings in a lot more bass along with the well-known incredible mids and highs that the ls50s are known for.
I used to get frustrated thinking that I needed a subwoofer to compensate for areas of the room that needed it. But making this change has pretty much eliminated the frustration. It is not yet perfect, but I couldn't be happier!
I agree with you, Shane. Give your speakers a chance to play for you. Listen with your ears and screw the measurements!
Interesting! Can you please list your speaker configuration. While you are there and if you don't mind... how about listing your entire setup too. Cheers
My own personal experience, having my Rtia9's running at full range along with my PC-4000 really helps fill out my living room since I have over 5000+ cubic feet worth of space. I'd rather buy multiple subs, but the WAF is low when the one was a hard enough sell.
I would tell most "regular folks" enjoying their surround sound speakers, might want to set the crossover.
But one thing we should all do is TRY DIFFERENT SETTINGS. It's nuts how so many of us find one setting and stick with it
Well said.
Multiple subs definitely change your settings. I agree with trying different settings (not drastically). Having 2+ subs as bass management (depending on room size) is better than full range surrounds imo. When you drop to 60hz or more it's less directional. However, it might be noticeably directional if close to the speaker.
This is a really interesting discussion. I’m definitely going to play around with this . My speaker set up is Golden ear Triton 5’s for my fronts, Golden Ear Super Center Xl, my surrounds are Golden Ear Aon 2, and my 4 heights are Golden ear Super Sat 3. My two subs are Golden Ear Forcefield 3. I have my heights all at 100hz but everything else is 80. Going to try the towers at 40 and maybe 60 for the Center. I guess best way to listen is with a movie track I’m really familiar with. Thanks to SpareChange channel I have picked up some good 4K selections to test out.
“Feel the travel instead of just hearing the travel”. Good stuff Shane.
I think Shane is actually advocating hearing the travel instead of just feeling the travel. If his surrounds are playing bass below 80hz, you'll hear the bass in the designated speaker. If the surrounds have a crossover at 80hz, the subs will cover the frequency response. When that happens, it's more felt due to the subs being non directional.
@@doublet147 No he was talking about feeling the travel of the of low frequencies within the surroundsound speakers.
@@ToxMod I just rewatched the vid. You're correct. That is the theory he's pushing.
set the surround back to full range if the speakers are 8" woofer. so we can feel it instead of hearing?
Denon needs to add in 50hz and 70hz options crossover frequency, 80 to 60 and 60 to 40 are huge jumps
I run an emotiva processor (had denon previously) and it goes in 5hz increments.
Thanks for the video
What I noticed with my cheap system (SVS ultra bookshelf for front and SVS prime bookshelf for surrounds and SVS pb-2000 subwoofer) that the bass effects like King Kong in Ready Player 1 still sound like they're coming from the correct direction even though an 80Hz crossover is used, because the lower frequencies are coming out of your subwoofer but you don't really notice their direction too easily, but the effects usually also include higher frequencies which are played by your speaker, and when they play together you get the illusion that the entire effect is coming from the correct speaker.
I don't have an easy way to compare as my speakers can't play that low, so my setup might not give optimal directions (which is fine for its price), but what I'm certain is that you can't say King Kong sounds like he's coming from the subwoofers. A friend with 0 experience with home theater systems described that scene as "it sounds like you have 4 subwoofers in the room", so the illusion I described above, even if not perfect, seems to work pretty damn well.
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Full range. I used to run my whole set up without a sub with LFE redirected to mains. I now have a Rel sub that's connected to high-level and LFE. These fill in my mains from 38hz and down. Still set to large for natural roll off. Centre and Rears still full range.
If I was going to improve it I could add more rels with high level on rears and centre. Maybe in the future....
They are both right. It just depends on the acoustics of the room. If you are lucky with your room you can go with 40-50Hz crossover (assuming capable speakers and amps). But rooms are different and can generate different acoustic modes. Even if you have big speakers, sometimes you just have to redirect everything below e.g. 100Hz! to your subs, unless you are OK with wicker or non linear bass across your sittings. I personally prefer 60Hz speaker-sub integration, but changed rooms a couple of times and now I know it's not always possible.
I run a 2.2 for music and HT. Towers full range and blend in my subs for the lower frequencies for actual full range at any volume
In the recording studio we go by the room measurements. Some rooms may dip the 2ways in 100hz range. So the subs will be set there.
Using rew (and my speakers are rated down to 30 - 40 hz via review on audiohilics) I found that actually 120hz is the best crossover ( using 4 subs) sounds amazing I think more people need to let go of the 80hz starting line now that we have the easy ability to use measurements. Also let the subs have some bandwidth not only is my systems frequency response more flat now, but letting the subs handle bass more it feels more cinematic and more dynamic just my 2c I do wanna try eq with double bass full range but that's gonna take hours of work but the easy route is 100 - 120hz
With four subs myself. I feel the same way. 80 hz to 120 hz make the movies feel and sound more cinematic. I'm running six towers around a 3 way center channel. When I crossed them over at 50 or 60 hz. It took alot of bass out the room the highs were bright and clear but that mid base wasn't as impactful.
I have in family room Monitor Audio Silver 100 (7g) FL/FR, SL/SR, C350 and dual SB3000. 8in woofers rates down to 35db with -6db with puts is at 29db. Going to try this 👍
Great video! 1) why only surrounds, but even crossover for centre channel can be lowered if speakers can support? 2) between surrounds and back surrounds, where would you use the more powerful speakers? 3) where can we see the results of the experiment?
Talking about bass, with a two or more subs system, do y'all keep all the subs phase at 0 or do you have one at 0 and the other at 180 out of phase? Audio current has an upper and lower phase so would it possible to hear and feel both phase (with a small delay between) for a bigger punch?
i agree the bass from one surround moving to another is mind blowing thats why i want all dolby atmos towers goning around me and one behind a transparent projector screen in a dedicated movie room
Dirac full bass optimisation selected 70Hz as XO point for my 5 channels and 108 for heights
So question? If you had the processing/hardware would a system where each speaker has a dedicated woofer work? Obviously to much bass will cancel out but I’m talking basically being able to run the full audio to the speaker, crossover to the woofer at 80, 60 or where ever and then cross that sub at something else for the ultra low stuff to go to your normal sub/lfe. Super overkill but if done right I don’t see why it couldn’t work and possibly create an experience above what any theater could do.
I heard you can take your Lowest frequency then add a half octave 54hz x 1.5 = 81hz. It his a good starting point? I guess it depends on the slope the crossover works on. Mine is a REL so I was wondering.
Really does depend. For example if you're running off just AVR power no way is going full range going to be better than good subs with 300+W RMS stuff like SVS PB1000 Pro or better.
What if you have true full range speakers, with useable output below 20hrz (jtr 215 or similar) and you run them full range, and have the subwoofers do strictly the lfe channel. Would that make sense? Without the LFE, movies still have full range of sound and bass. Does it effect the subwoofer at all if it must produce the LFE plus all other low frequency sounds?
My focal sopra 2 what crossover setting would you recommend with dual rel s812 subs
Was there ever a follow up to this? 2 guys I trust with very crucial conflicting opinions.
I just hooked up my Rel sub for the first time via high level connection to my front left & right. Klipsch RP setup. And I cannot figure out what to set my crossover at
So my question to you is, even if you run your towers at full range. The 80 hz crossover is still active? I thought when you run your speakers full range crossovers are not implemented.
I absolutely agree with you Shane concerning the 80hz crossover. I have owned many home theaters and I love have full range sound in every channel. On the right system it is amazing.
So my bookshelf speakers go down to 60hz, my center 65hz and my surrounds to 80hz should i set them all to 80hz. And what about bass crossover, i have that set to 120hz.
Awesome topic. I am running 7.2.2 Atmos with Anthem Avm70, running Arc, sets all the speakers to 80hz so should I just leave it at that??
No you should always try different ranges and see which sounds the best for you.
My fronts have dual 13" and play down to 24hz , rear have dual 10's and play down to 28hz. Both have a lot more impact when set to full range then crossed over at 80 or 60hz. Sometimes i test with crossover set to 40, but then still sounds like something is missing. Would love to see some prosseional testing and measurements.
Holy crap! What speakers do you have in your system
@@ryanschipp8513 old Infinity Kappa 100 front and 90 back. 2x750watt@4ohm front and 2x600watt@4ohm rear power amps. 1x300 center. These infinity's we're designed in the US and built in Denmark for European market. They have a bad rep because they require immense power to get any decent sound from them.
@@vishS14 nice! Thanks for sharing. What power amps are you using?
@@ryanschipp8513 Samson SX2400 front, SX1800 rear, SX1200 center. All in a rack in the staircase next to livingroom. No problems with fan noise.
Shane, may I ask what crossover slope you utilize for your Surrounds? 12, 18, 24, 36?
I don't know about Shane, but I wouldn't go above 12, unless the surround speakers have very limited range below 80Hz. Steep slope crossovers (18 and up) can negatively alter the phase because they roll off so dramatically.
Telling Gene - "I don't think you understand audio"
Ballsiest statement ever!!
In a nutshell, then
it's all about the bass about the bass
No treble.
Isn't running full range on towers kill the mids for movies?
Two channel I can agree
I've yet to find a surround speaker that can handle clean 20hz at 105db at listening position. And the nightmares to align speaker bass with LFE (2 to 4 subs) and the other speakers that are full range or have a low crossover. Also bass is omnidirectional, if you can hear it "from behind" because the surround/back speakers are producing it, that's probably distortion.
But hey people can do whatever they want right ?
..... vs knowledge and years of experience (i go with what Genes is saying)
Hi Gene!
I'd be curious to know the results of this discussion about the lower crossover point and hearing the bass in the side and rear surround speakers. From my understanding anything south of around 80Hz is not localizable.
If you've got good enough speakers give it a try. Only takes a minute.
Yep, listening to Gene is good advice. Listening to this clown tell you to do it so that he can post it in another video and make money off of it is bad advice. I wanted to learn something new about crossovers and I just left feeling embarrassed for this dude Shane. Very sad indeed.
Excellent question, u had to be kind of obnoxious get him to him to bite but i get what you are saying about 80hz. Looking forward to his response.
Great Dialogue! I'm going to try some of these ideas! I currently have my Front LR Klipsch RF7-IIIs set at Full Range, Center RC 64 III set to 60hz, Rears and heights all at 80hz. But 2 of the rears are Klipsch RP8000Fs, that I think may do well at full range. Also have 2 PB-16s up front and 1 PB-3000 in the rear to handle the low end.
This is a great topic.
Hi guys 😊
Love the friendly "fighting" 🤪
I always find bass to be best with frontrow in large (I have external amps on them, and enough power 🤪).
Right now, I have 3 towers in the front, all turned upside down, center on the bench that hold my equipment, left and right on top of subs.
By doing this, I get the bass spread out in height too, not all along the floor, and I take the floor out as a reflection boundary (or whatever it is called🤪), from the fronts. This makes the towers a lot less boomy, and I get punchier bass. It was hell getting subs and towers to integrate properly, but when I got it aligned, there is no way I can achieve the same result with towers in small. (I have tried to get the sound to be good with towers in small for a loong time, but always end up with them in large🤷🏼♂️). There is just some body/ fullness that simply is not as present when towers are set to small. (Surrounds only have 6.5" and do not extend(at proper level) beond 45hz in my room, so they are actually cut at 100 hz).
I also like to set Front towers to Large. Small just doesn't work for me. Infact, I'm looking at using towers for me surrounds and centre and running them Full Band, contrary to conventional wisdom.
Im a great admire of your channel. Im here with a query. Hope you can help me out. My amplifier is denon 4700h. I am using 3 subs. 2 in the back and 1 in the front. Im getting good bass from the rear sub. But im not getting enough hit or bass from the front sub.Can you suggest me a settings in which all the 3 subs sound great. In front im using kef kub12 and rear klipch 120sw.Thank you
You need to re arrange ur subs. Your front imaging is super important. So place the 2 subs in at the front stage and one in the back(preferably in the back middle) if your space allows. Then recalibrate. Having two subs in front ,each next to each front speakers will mimic bass is coming from the front speakers.
Reason you are getting good bass from the back is why you just answered ur own question(u have 2subs in the back)
this was painful to watch... i felt like i was in a corvette and some kid in a mustang was telling me when to shift.
I love my Lyngdorf MP60 2.1 but sadly it doesn't get mentioned much in these parts.
I have set my speakers to small and crossed them over at 80hz. The bass sounds very localised I can tell it’s coming from the sub it’s really annoying
will you be able to gain headroom thx so much need a sub my stepdad is so oldschool he thinks the klipch hit low but even on rock they get bassy at full range i stil do 80hz when i have a sub and i have a tiny apt and the bass sounds muddy 80hz is great espically for klipsch for music becuase i have an onkyo and there crap now and the only receivers that can handle it is denon marrantz and yahmaha are the only good avr manufacures at big box stores that are affordable sony pioneer and onkyo is crap now
Running full range is fun, but your seat to seat consistency graph won't look very nice. The LFE will be unaffected so it might be worth it
The real question is (using Shane's Ready Player One example): If King Kong was running behind you, would you actually sense bass lower than 80hz behind you (directional), or would you sense it in an omnidirectional manner (feel it overall)? At higher bass frequencies you would definitely sense direction, but at what frequency does that cease? When does it cross the threshold into nondirectional?
Dont know how much work can do Trinnov or Storm, but with "down to earth" solutions it is not sensical due room modes. And the final effect would be rather inconsisten seat to seat. Thats why more subs are generally better.
Elephant talk range.
I always thought it omnidirectional so you shouldn't locate bass on lower than 150Hz for sure. But he was referring about feeling it. so I guess with mighty capable surrounds they would be pushing air hard enough for you to feel the direction its coming from but obviously not hear where from. That could be quite awesome but I wonder what kind of surrounds you would need to use to get this effect, towers? have 4 Klipsch 8000fs?
Shane said he feels King Kong behind, but he also has two massive subs behind him. Perhaps the sound with the tactile feel of the subs pressurizing the room causes his brain to “feel” King Kong behind him. No way to know unless you are there to experience it yourself.
I take it as Shane bragging he has his Trinnov so dialed in that the entire system is energizing the room.
I've read somewhere that the highest omnidirectional frequency is related to the longest wavelength of the room.
I'm with Gene after doing measurements my speakers are crossed over at 90hz. In certain situations you can do what Shane is saying but most rooms and setups benefit from higher crossover.
I totally agree with shane on this one. The only way you need to crossover your speakers at 80Hz is if they aren't capable of playing low frequencies at high volume. I have towers with dual 8" woofers that play very well down to 30Hz and keep them crossed over at 40 so I get a much fuller sound from the front speakers. It has been too long that everyone has just been saying as a blanket statment the you should always crossover at 80.
For home theater, i like to set my fronts to 60 or 40
Best video explanation ever
What’s with the thumbnail bro 🤣
Probably because you should imagine someone (like that) whining and asking that question. It’s all down to preference and what you like to hear.
dude u have a trinnov with great amps u probabboaly got those suckers liek super dialed in brah im jealous do u have atmos
Yes, it's recommended by the professionals
Great topic. Good editing of the footage Shane.
I agree with Sparechange on this one. Running a sub on each channel is the way to do it best. Then you can truly run each channel full range.
With towers that are full range it makes sense to let them handle more of the low frequency effects.
If you have the ability to measure your speakers and suns and the bass management ability to tune in your subs, then try multiple crossover points to see what measures best and sounds best to YOU in your room. Some very large rooms will sound better with towers at full range.
Some speakers that can effortlessly dig deep and are driven with adaequate power to still give you lots of headroom, could benefit from a lower crossover. Good speakers are designed to have a much more natural sound as they go deeper and if they can easily go to 45-50hz flat, with lots of headroom, that could very well sound more natural ams seamless than an 80hz crossover when the bass just gets dumped to the sub.
Every speaker measures different so sub crossover points should naturally adjust based on that speaker. The problem is that 90% of people don't understand or have the ability to do the proper measurements and should stick with 80 Hz because it is more likely they will make it sound worse by setting it lower
I feel that second best processor :-D
My Cerwin Vegas reach to 29 hz, but with a movie set up 5.1 a sub would be beneficial.
I've tried different configs for My set up and the 80 Cross is Horrid. Horrid may be a little strong but 80 should only be used by people that have no ears.
Den of thieves ….Shane is correct, it’s nice to get bass from back speakers!
Shane comes across as combative and ignorant in this video. I think he's suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Kudos to Gene to still being open-minded despite Shane being 100% wrong. Big woofers doesn't mean big bass, just look at PSA speakers. Why would you want to dynamically limit a speaker by not crossing it over? Why not let the subwoofer do what it's designed to do? Directional deep bass isn't a thing, low frequencies can't be localized, especially so with multi-sub.
You sound as ignorant and moronic as you think I sound. That's 100% correct. Think before commenting next time. Thanks for watching 😘
@@therealshanelee Watching this a second time and it's even more cringe-worthy. You're married to an opinion that isn't based in any kind of truth, objective or subjective. Your attitude in your reply kinda proved my point lol.
@@KB-gt2xl you truly are moronic.
@@therealshanelee It's shocking that someone who is apparently seriously involved in this hobby can be so ill-informed. I can recommend some educational resources and literature if need be.
@@KB-gt2xl you still trying to convince yourself your intelligent?
All this knowledge and he doesn’t know his towers are large lol
Only use a crossover on your mains (including the surrounds) if you're bi or tri-amped.
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Gene is - as often - thinking that his POV is the only situation on this planet ... He forgets there always exist other options... Like fronts with subs connected...
My front channels are Full Range from 20 Hz and higher...
That is a funny observation Eric since Shane is the one forcing his opinion on Gene and also talking over him (which Gene is respectfully not). Shane needs to learn how to be a good listener if he is to truly ask a question and want a true response and not validate his opinion. Gene does have his opinion but at least he is not cringe worthy in his responses toward Shane. I came here to learn more about sub integration and left learning nothing due to Shane being so aggressive and unwilling to listen.
Ive been feeling like there needs to be a distinction made between how someone with home theatre (7+ channels) and someone with 2 channel passion, define their preferences for set up.
I enjoy spatial awareness and the Atmos object based sound. I’m not going to cross over my speakers at 80hz if it means negating content from 60-80hz in my surrounds. Assuming I have the power (watts) to do so. I can see crossing over at 80hz if you have a crap AVR and poor power supply. The content at the lower hz range will rob you of clarity, SPL, etc.
The whole point of having a 7-15 channel system is that the objects track around the room. Not being lost into non-localizing subs.
And 2 channel people (gene) can’t say I’m way off base because Atmos music is one of his new favourite things. Similar but not exactly the same.
This guy is old school so you think he would know some stuff!!... clearly he doesn't know shit. If you're speakers can handle lower than 80hrds then for sure set them lower.....that's a no brainer!.
Shane is teasing Gene LMAO
I think you been using 80hz too long lmfao haha that made my day
Just run them all at full range ... Sounds better unless you have average speakers and ya making up for there deficiency