when the Martis user uses their ult at the right moment, he has the same amount of energy as if you were being pursued by a Khufra, Karina, and late-game Aldous combined. He's essentially a speed demon.
I loved that one time where a teamfight happened on mid while I was on top lane, and has just activated ult 2nd phase because I killed their mage. I rushed to mid and saw the enemies low on hp pushing the tower with very low hp. Easiest and most satisfying maniac EVER
To describe Martin, he’s a jack of all trades master of none. He has high attack speed and dps but not comparable to ad fighters like Freya, Aulus and masha. He has two crowd control skills but not as useful as cc fighters like minsitthar or paquito. He has sustain from his second skill but fighters like exborg, thamuz and terizila are far better choice for frontline sustain fighter pick. And after his second skill, Martis cannot survive the team fight anymore. He can’t initiate team fights and when is second is on CD, he can only do basic attacks. Buff does make him better but is not viable. He doesn’t belong in any specific fighter class. Like I said, jack of all trades master of none
Wanna know what would fix that 1 simple thing, including his chains from his hero design into is attacks by making his basic attacks aoe when he reaches full stacks of his passive and at full stacks he gets 20 percent life steal this one simple change would increase both his damage and sustain
@@olamidedairo5350 he can reap with passive and ult, his s1 is the only skill he has to initate, s2 is for dmg and avoid cc skills, every time u use s2 for initiating, u ussually gonna die in that TF without having the oportunity to reap enemies. tag me how many times Elgin used S2 to initate a TF?
Elgin Made a Small Mistake. As you can see the enemy composition has alot of Magic users "Kadita,Baxia,Js, and Esme" And as you see his build he didn't have Athena shield or Radiant armor so that's why he gets beaten up easily.
He should sell Dominance Ice since there's no Attack Speed reliant heroes. Then, change into Radiant Armor. Antique Cuirass is great against burst type heroes so he should keep it
Martis has been getting a load of buffs recently so I have been using him myself a bit but never know why he isn't that popular. I can't see any problem with the hero. I guess he's really excellent the way he is. I usually build full damage on him now and I rarely build any tank items on him because I usually find myself unable to make good use of it or play good but I'm not entirely sure about it. So maybe he can be played well with some tank items as well.
To make him meta, they should bring back his old second skill where it has a fast and longer dash, his skill 2 right now is too slow that’s why he is not that viable
@@xenon3741 Hmmm...I kept thinking if it was because of the second skill just like you mentioned like I have been feeling like it takes pretty longer for him to execute it and by that time, his enemies can pretty much outburst or do a lot more in the duration while he wouldn't be able to dish out much damage from it. Also how he may not benefit from passive much because Martis is a skill based hero could be another thing. But it's a really good passive though.
for hero that has 2 dashes in his second skill, he is too slow. He easily outclassed by masha, grock, chou, yuzhong, edith, etc. xp lane hero meta is filled by good burst damage and good sustain hero, which i think martis is incredibly bad in. The only thing that saving him from being unplayable is his cc immunity and his ult burst.
You know why he is not popular? He doesnt have a damage at late game, he is slow at late game. Most of her dis advantage is late game and most of hero are late dependent so martis has disadvantage on late game. Think he is not popular for most solo players because of his weakness when going solo he needs more speed on his second skill and a faster movement of his second skill he lacks that. He can be played well but he can't carry a whole team.
sometimes, having a slow animation for the second skill help, slower animation meaning longer cc immune and thats one of his key aspects, he can immune so mush cc 2 times. from the first phase of the 2nd skill and its second phase
Me as a Martis main, I'm happy that Elgin made a video about him. He got a lot of buffs in the previous updates but he still in a 50-50 situation when it comes to teamfights (late game). Yes, he's a full package fighter because he has cc/damage/immunity but compare to those popular heroes, the damage output he can deal at most can only be seen when you used your ult properly. No need to rework, his skills are very usefull in most of teamfights, yes he got a lot of buffs and adjustments but the data and the players who're using him shows that he still having a hard time placing himself in the meta. Well for my case, he's strong when my team got a very strong front and backline, I can be aggressive whenever I want cuz that's how I want to play my Martis.
Yuzhong has everything martis has except attack speed and he’s still a much better hero. Same with the current grock a whole tank moonton doesn’t focus on buffing heroes that are out of meta they just buff populate heroes for to sell the skins
@@olamidedairo5350 moonton is just a money grabbing game. Releasing new buffed heroes so people buy them. Then nerf them. Or like u said buff a hero which has an upcoming skin. Their action dictate our choices. Thats pretty fking pathetic. All those game designers, never worked practical jobs. Only sittin on a desk creating games. 1 skin 1000gems is 500 dollars. Any idea WTF 500dollars are? For a fking skin on a smartphone game. Fck moonton
@@olamidedairo5350 well. Depend on situation. Martis is pretty much hero killer when it come to close range. But with a little ranged. Damn he dead(i mean like x borg or simply phoveus). The only buff that i see he need is damage buff on his first and second. That is enough to make up for meta hero.
I think they should make his passive like this: After reaching max stacks increase damage dealt by 25% and damaging heroes slow them by 5% stacks up to 3 stacks
Martis can be fixed with just one change after attaining his passive his basic attack should heal him like Julian this will make him way more sustainable martis sucks because his skill are made for team fights but he cannot sustain in team fights
Indeed my sir even thought his main damage are basic attack but he relied too much on skill which it make him having a hard time dealing with a other enemy heroes that used basic attack
I love this kind of match. I was actually at the edge of my seat. Not a one-sided match but a close one. The determining factor is the Demon Hunter Sword. It takes high IQ in games like this when your enemies are hard to kill. Good thing Elgin changed his item. Yup Martis maybe climbing up to the meta with this buff... :)
I'm a Martis main, not only I use him as exp laner but also roamer. When I play him as roam, I use Dire Hit and semi-tank build with only two defensive items depends on the enemy conposition. As roam, I build Twilight Armor as 2nd def item for true damage.
@@vasu1197 you can also do a succes ult on guin's clone and make her confused on how martis is running Found 2 bugs when your teamates somehow ks you while you where ukting on the enemy you can still go that 2nd phase the 2nd bug is when you do a succesive ult on an enemy and someone is near him you can double ult on the 2nd enemy needs to be fast tho
Tips for matis users:when fighting. after using second skill. Don't use it's second phrase if the enemy is not running or if you're not dying. It will basically reset the whole skill after the cooldown.
I think the Tank Meta and buffed defence items have something to do with the decline of Fighter specific heroes. Also from my experience, the least used fighters are either terrible in late game or easily ganked.
Martis gets a load of buffs recently, but that still proves his performance is still not rising. I think it's time for him to get a rework. BUT DO NOT CHANGE THE APPEARANCE, I HAD ENOUGH OF SEEING EBOYS IN THIS GAME
As a Martis main they need to bring back the fast casting of 1st skill and 2nd skill. Overall he is a good hero. Regarding the eboys, i couldnt agree more.
The only thing that makes Martis a viable pick is his teamfight capabilities. His AOE CC and high burst dmg from his ult cal allow him to clean low hp and tank dmg from enemies. Though, he is pretty weak in a practical sense. He has no sustain and his basic attacks aren't able to deal enough dmg to enemies in the late game. Not to mention, his skills dmg are too slow. Meaning, an enemy can easily replenish their HP pool inbetween his skills due to how slow they are. I would suggest a revamp. One that I personally would like. Remember those chains that you see on his intro? Yes, those. His new form will make use of those. I used to pester moontoon on making Martis' passive increase his basic attack range and at max stacks, have a slight pulling effect. But, I guess they decided to use that on the new hero. So, I'll go with this then. His passive will still retain the attack speed buff but now, it will have a new effect called "Life Drain." Similar to Alice's ULT, within a range, he will suck up the life essence of any enemies and creeps nearby. This will fill up an energy bar. If this energy bar is filled, his HP regenerates based on his lost HP and enhances his dmg until the energy bar depletes. Life Drain activates upon max stacks of his passive. His first skill will get a small dash. Whenever he casts his 1st skill, he will dash right into the middle of his first skill to close the gap between him and the enemies. His 2nd skill to be faster. It's already a pretty decent skill. His ult will still be the same but, will now be a two stage process depending on the distance between him and the enemy and have more range and a CC effect. This is where I will apply the chains on his sword that you see on his intro. Within a range, if his enemies are too far, he will yeet his sword towards the target, stunning him/her for 0.8s and damaging him/her. He will then drag himself towards the target to land the finishing blow.
Gotta love the yeet part lol, although he can *literally* yeet himself to the enemy regardless of distance once he's casting his ult 0.5 sec before his marled enemy changes location (except yin cause reasons)
two attack items on martis is actually enough, i recommend using emblem assassin with agility 3, invasion 3, and killing spree. shoes though boots, bloodlst axe for the first atk item and the second could bod, war axe, or dhs. antique cuirass and athena shield is a must have item. remember that his second skill is cc, immune, and dmg reduction up to 60%. the point is antique cuirass and athena are demage reduction item plus the second skill it help alot.
Bloodlust trash for martis, his 2nd skill doesn't benefit much Use this build: 1. Defence shoes 2.DHS 3.Malefic roar 4. Dom ice 5. Athena 6.bladr Armor or antique cuirass
@@killuatard3533 Bro, you're basically listing heroes that have great sustain and very versatile compared to Martis, and you're making a really BOLD claim that every fighter in exp only needs 2 attack items lmao
I like how Martis skills work. He even counter cc heroes. When it comes to ranked game, i always pick Martis for chance to use his cc skills, burst and even his anti-cc.
i feel this, so when i use martis i focus on breaking tower than clash hahaha late game clash he is kinda weak.... i feel like he cannot initiate unless he use tank build hehehe
The problem for martis actually is: his 2nd skill speed. I think with so many hero getting a revamp or adjustment, which is hugely benefits most of 'em, it's quite safe to bring martis original 2nd skill casting speed.
@@a_very_burnt_steak wel it's still much better if u remember how martis can easily snatched the back line. So much crazier that's why they decide to nerf it, and slow it down in the first place. The duration of immunity is not that different though, only 0.5 sec different which is not a problem at all
@@aradityayp62 That's something I can't disagree with. He was very OP, hides in bushes and you couldn't do anything as he CC you to death. Then again, I don't think anyone wants any of that.
As an ex martis main, I would say that Elgin played Martis pretty well considering how underused he is. Though can't help but point out some mistakes he made, for starters when there's a Johnson on the enemy team I usually have my s2 ready to slam into the car so I can not only deal with the mage hiding in the car, I also protect my teammates from them. Next you can see him pressing his s2 again even though he doesn't need to, and his s2 continues to recharge if you didn't use his s2 again. Over all he plays pretty well, and the build is pretty good, would recommend martis as a hero, but he's very situational as he's not good at every situation.
Not taking anything away from eljin but eljin played with his squad it's easy to use martis if your teammates knows when and how to back up and follow up,this is thesame scenario when I had a 7 winning streak on mythic rank games using badang I was playing with my squad one of them is using tigreal and and the other one is using ruby and they are really good in setting up a teamfights which makes it easier for me to land my s2+ss combo this will give the opposing team a hard aoe cc and burst damage so the karina and moskov on my team can finish them off easily
Martis is really good specifically at start of the match to the mid game but late game he cant do any thing so martis needs a big buff on his late game ability
Martis really needs to have another skill dash(Initiate)/passive effect something like battle freak where he gain's movement speed and his next attack will deal an extra true damage based on 100% extra physical atk(Similar to his ult if he get's a kill and blade of hepetasis) if he's not dealing damage for 5 sec(Taking damage will not remove the effect)
Martis adjustment idea: Passive: also increase his basic atk dmg by smol extra phy%, at max stack has a war axe level mov speed buff 1st skill: higher slow and slightly less CD considering it barely stuns enemies 2nd: make animation slightly faster for someone who is Ashura KING 3rd: nothing idk it's already op I do know a mayhem idea of ult: marks enemies not killed by ult, killing marked enemies reduces his other skills CD by some amount
The ult needs perfect time, so the KS kings will make your life painful And the passive is pretty much perfect imo His second skill feels good in a time fight because you keep playing with the enemy and they can't do anything, it's like akai
It's because of new heroes overloaded with shits like Paquito,Yin and Yu Zhong who has all sustain,damage,dashes with movement buffs,heal/shield,stuns/knock-ups you want on a fighter. If you had all this whats the use of using heroes such as Martis.
give him dmg reduction when he uses his 2nd skill till the 2nd phase of 2nd skill is used or it goes on cooldown. You just rush in with 2nd skill and if anyone is able to dodge that, you are pretty much dead. And make hive him true damage on basic at 4th stack of his atk speed passive. Then there will be some use to his basic attacks in late game.
@@Kelv_ Of course it will scale with his attack. Less true damage in early and more true damage in late. Just think. Do you ever use your basic atks in late games except for clearing lanes? So if we change his dmg to true dmg, then there will be some use to it. Or maybe his basic attack at 4 stacks will reduce phy defence of enemy. So you can now use your 1-2 skill combo then basic attack to reduce defence then use ult.
the only way i can think of martis getting to the meta is either him getting buffed to absolute absurdity or at least one of his skills getting a complete overhaul kind of like how Hilda's passive and skills got a drastic change recently
Try adding a cresent moon on your buIld with martis, ive used martis quite a lot in the past but didn't keep up with the meta, you could go sith the standard fighter build for him and add a cresent moon on it or go full crit with him which bursts the enemies but is very squishy, also a tip when using 2nd you don't have to use the second cast every time because when it goes in to cooldown it only takes around 1 or 2sec and best to use as a way to cut off enemies when trying to escape
When I use martis, I prefer Bod and the rest is tank Items with the concussive blast emblem, I’ve used it against many meta heroes like paquito, esme and gloo and it’s effective especially lasting long in a clash is really helpful, I just use ult on a sure kill enemy
Try using demon hunter bro I think it's quite worth it since his passive is like a free inspire, when I play him I always use 1 dhs and rest are tank items
DHS+War Axe is pretty much enough for his damage, BFBP is a really good def item for him. You can also take either Malefic, Hunter Strike or BOD as his last item since two def items is already more than enough
When using martis I have this habit of not using the second phase of his second skill unless needed to avoid a cc or disengaging. Its a very helpful thing if you master it.
As a Martis main his buff are enough to be in the meta and to be place in S tier fighter class . Just use him in the right way and with the right items he can be a monster . Even Kratos would tremble in fear for Martis😁
I mean Martis is straight up a copy from asura wrath and kratos. Appearance like asura and even the name, the blades of Martis seems, if not very similar to the blades of chaos. Ml back then is famous of taking inspirations tho so I think tats the case here
no he won't. small buffs and adjustments aren't enough to put him on s-tier or in the meta. he can't keep up with SUSTAIN exp laners all throughout the game. it's also not an issue of "it depends on the player." you'll only win against a sustain fighter if he/she sucks at playing.
As a guy who can fucking read. No, he did not get enough buffs considering he needs to build more damage items - sacrificing the total damage multiplier for an extra damage multiplier meaning you need mlre damage items to match the damage he had before when using damage AND tank items instead. He sucks at mobility, his combos are too slow and he's only scary in team fights and early game duels. He loses too much in late game whilst having too little to contribute from then forth. And considering the tank meta right now, games do last way longer enough to let MMs and other late game heroes outclass martis. He can't be tanky and do good damage anymore, he has been nerfed. The only thing buffed is his KILL STEAL abilities.
6:09 this part is where the true damage of martis that elgin was explaning us on martis ult see that brody was wearing a wind chant but still got killed
I think the main problem with martis is his CCs are slow so it is kinda easy to escape from him. He can not use his 2nd skill effectively unless the enemy hero is very close to him .
Some players just aren't interested using other heroes because they tend to use the hero that streamers recommended and using. In fact, Martis can really stand out, his immunity to cc is much useful because most of the players in ranked game preferred to use cc heroes for easy ambush and let the damage dealers move freely, meanwhile Martis is not just immune to cc, he can also cancel some of the enemy skills so he can really do much during team fight.
Tip: If you are fighting Esmeralda build Sea Healberd first. Then maximize his skill but make sure you hit Esmeralda with all of your skills for maximum Stack, Attck Speed, and Damage.
Im a martis user too. I think its better if they change its damage type from extra physical to total physical. His damage from his skill doesnt deal much. Mostly he rely from his basic attack because of its passive having attack speed.
@@nt0027 Chou is really good when it comes to vs 1. U have to play defensive and wait for allies to help if u can't really do much against pro chou. This game is about team play after all. Good thing is that chou is only good at locking one enemy. He can't really carry the team just he can changed the tide of the battle if ur team make mistakes. But in late game he is acting more to support or sometimes even split pusher depending on the situation.
Imo It's hard to get value from his ult by getting multiple executes because he's too squishy. The one champ I could compare him with is Darius and he is very tanky unlike martis he can survive the whole teamfight so he has alot of chances to get an execute from his ult.
@@eudorophobia.5923 we don't need that sh**ty long a** 2nd skill so what if he has longer immunity when your enemies can simply walk away to you and burst you right after you use your 2nd skill what we need is faster and low cooldown even after using the *2nd phase* of his skill
elgin you need to try giving him tank items with bloodlust to be the only attack item so that he can survive late game clashes, his second skill will be his main damage and do not use the second phase of his second skill too often (youll notice what i mean), also his last skill ignores shield just like execute so i use execute+3rd skill on him to counter high shield/tanky heroes and they melt easily ez kill
The Problem With Martis Is That He Can't Sustain Anything. Even With A Lot Of Sustain Items Like Bloodlust Or Oracle, His Kit Is Perfect For Teamfights Yet He Almost Always Dies.
This hero is quite unique in my opinion... He goes berserk whenever he kills someone with his Ultimate Skill and I am quite fond about this hero... He is interesting...
Ever since the decline of his gameplay, these buffs definitely made him more viable as a fighter compared to the others. Its his disgusting kill -stealing- securing ult that makes him a nightmare to deal and along with is cc immunity dash skills
Basically martis has this passive effect on his skill where he can get attack speed by casting it. Sustain damage hero, very good in mid game if you asked me, 2nd skill is pretty overpowered as well as ult. 2nd skill is immune to cc's which makes it op and 3rd skillis not affected by any def items since its true damage, its like the towers, the damage is true damage so it is not affected by any def item. Overall pretty good
Martis need late game scaling If Martis upgrade his ulti he will gain new abilities and effects First upgrade on his ulti he gain Ashura boost, each time he cast his skills his dmg will be increase by 8% and can stack up to 4 times just like his passive Second upgrade his second skill range and animation increase like the old Martis Final upgrade he gain basic attack immunity when using his second skill, this might help him a lot to counter marksman in the late game
cool Elgin you manage to epic comeback and cool videos and thanks for your other videos that show us a tips and I think Leomord didn't get any buff or nerf and no revamp
And martis basic atk doesnt sustain crazy like aulus. If you focus on spell vamp and u dont have basic atk dmg, focus on basic atk or phys atk and u dont have spell vamp to sustain, really needs new passive or smth
Yeah. Pretty much. They need to buff his skill a little. After 800 match. That what i can say. He maybe deadly killer for marksman and mage. But if the enemy is fricking tank Or let just say brody. Yeah he dead.
They made him a mix of skill-reliant and a basic attack reliant hero at the same time, which is ridiculous. Old Martis is just better. Heavily combo reliant and with high sustain.
Martis is strong at early to mid game, but he lacks damage and sustainability especially in the late game. He is a initiator meaning he needs to get close to the enemy, but how can he get close if he's dead already. I think he needs a small stun on his first skill rather than just a slow, faster 2nd skill with lower cd. They can also add more physical attack or penetration on his passive and not just attack speed.
Just a little story: I bought Martis last week and I played him for 15 times as of now and out of that 15 games, I got 3 maniacs and a savage... So according to my experience he is really good so it kinda make me wonder why he is underrated
@@leechan5736 agreed. If people argue his mm build late game he just doesn't have the mobility to cope up with late game marksmen (cough cough, wanwan, irithel) for me personally matching against a wanwan using martis will give you eternal depression for sure. Edit: Also forgot to mention wind of nature, that adds to the depression I get when facing wanwans or any marksmen in general.
With the recent buffs he get, I find him a bit better than he used to from the previous seasons that I've been using him. Loving the s2 and s3 adjustments. Hopefully MoonTROLL wouldn't pull the same sh1t as they did with nana
Me : "How do we CC Martis?" Elgin : "You can't. Martis is blessed with invulnerability to all CC,physical or magical" Me : "But there's gotta be a way" Elgin : "You can't. Martis Is Blessed with invulnerability to all CC,Physical Or Magical" Me : "You Just Said That"
As a martis main you shouldn't use your 2nd twice just one 2nd skill then 1st in order to maximize his stack coz. if you use the 2nd skill twice the cd will be 5 to 6 seconds unless using it just once the cd will be 0 to 2 seconds only... Prioritize the items that has attack speed and true damage, always gain 4 stacks and, reserve you 2nd skill to cancel any cc...
I guess Martis is OP now after using him several times but the problem why he's still unpopular for me, is becuz of its godly KS thats pretty annoying to your teamates. Specially when your playing 5 man your teammates will have a hard time to get some kills specially to your team jungler which is an important component of the team..
As a martis main I suggest playing very aggressive in early to mid game because his ulti during these phases is almost unstoppable if executed properly and martis doesn't need sustain necessarily, he just needs an agressive playstyle u get into team fights quickly mess up their formation target enemies with low hp or squishy heroes, help your team in the early-mid phases so your team has enough gold to let the late game heroes carry u through late phases of the game all u need to do his provide them support with ur cc thats how martis is meant to be played each hero has their unique role I always feel happy when martis is talked about and others share their opinion on this underrated king.
I think Zask also needs a buff,too many heroes can kill his ult spawn,and the long cool down just makes him useless in most team fights. He's a good late game mage,but getting into the late game is hard for him .
I think Martis is a really versatile fighter hero... *The only way you can easily kill him is if u burst/ambush him like harley, nana, or any heroes that has stun, immobilzed, or airborne.*
i think making his basic attack and crit increase it will put him in current meta like they did to ling also increase his speed after killing using ult for more chasing
In case you don't know. if you didn't use the second phase of his second skill the cd is just 2 seconds so whenever I play Martis I don't usually use the second phase
Good video, use second skill twice only when needed if you only use it once cd will be faster. Its good to have sea halberd too esp. in tanky heroesp and overall it was a good game.♥️♥️♥️
Honestly as a Martis main here his problem mostly lies on his First skill actually not his second skill. There's two ways to make him literally viable is to either A - Bring back his Old first skill with the after stun but don't make it 1 second or 0.8 atleast 0.5 or 0.1 should suffice. Or if they don't want that route make the skill casting animation faster. And B - If they still insist on having his second skill adjusted again and again welp why not make it so it'll have faster cast animation, buff on the damage reduction or maybe atleast slight increase his range. On paper he's a good or heck really great hero, But because of his first skill it's close to easy to dodge for those who know how to counter him. Not to mention once his second skill is on cd his almost vulnerable, and yeah he has his increase basic atk speed passive but because of the popularity of Dominance ice its an Hard counter item for him. And seriously tho the change I don't really like the most is the part from his 2nd from Total Phys to Extra Phys. Which honestly sad on his tank Martis counterpart I mean hey if other fighters can be tankify why not him as well. But seriously tho good for them noticing but it's still close to not enough somewhat unless they either fix his first skill or adjust the second skill I mean faster animation but less dmg reduction is already a good compensation (regarding his second skill if they still don't touch his first). Plus atleast after clumping enemies into the mid with his first he can follow up immediately unlike currently Where it's close to dodgeable especially if they have fast reaction time or is a Martis user themselves even when their clumped up. Other than that tho maybe I'm just a joke of a Martis user and this change just feels weird because on how they done it or I haven't gotten used to it yet but atm I just hope they'll bring back the First skill after stun or make the casting animation faster.
when the Martis user uses their ult at the right moment, he has the same amount of energy as if you were being pursued by a Khufra, Karina, and late-game Aldous combined. He's essentially a speed demon.
True 😈
When manage to every last hit using ult. It is very satisfying. And the speed movement is really ridiculous with assassin talent.
I loved that one time where a teamfight happened on mid while I was on top lane, and has just activated ult 2nd phase because I killed their mage. I rushed to mid and saw the enemies low on hp pushing the tower with very low hp. Easiest and most satisfying maniac EVER
Rare to happen but super duper satisfying
only when... it's right moment
_Poor The Slippery Lady, getting chased by a Crocodile’s teeth and got stunned by an Eel._
Good one
Nice!
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As a Martis main im glad that Elgin finally post a video about Martis,he's way too underrated
He would jump up to the top if they add the passing through the wall of second skill on the final phase
@@justsomerandomweeb11 But he can pass through walls on the final phase.
@@jaeger7272 what but it didn't passed for me i m new i just bought him i will try out
@@justsomerandomweeb11 yes. You need to aim the second phase properly, make sure you're close to the wall and you aim towards the wall
@epiz give some tips for martis i am grinding india supreme with him
To describe Martin, he’s a jack of all trades master of none. He has high attack speed and dps but not comparable to ad fighters like Freya, Aulus and masha. He has two crowd control skills but not as useful as cc fighters like minsitthar or paquito. He has sustain from his second skill but fighters like exborg, thamuz and terizila are far better choice for frontline sustain fighter pick. And after his second skill, Martis cannot survive the team fight anymore. He can’t initiate team fights and when is second is on CD, he can only do basic attacks. Buff does make him better but is not viable. He doesn’t belong in any specific fighter class.
Like I said, jack of all trades master of none
for the thousandth time, he's not an initator, he's a reaper
Martin haha
Wanna know what would fix that 1 simple thing, including his chains from his hero design into is attacks by making his basic attacks aoe when he reaches full stacks of his passive and at full stacks he gets 20 percent life steal this one simple change would increase both his damage and sustain
@@retzen2989 ok ok if he’s not an initiator then why are almost all his skill initiation based his only reaper based skill is his ul
@@olamidedairo5350 he can reap with passive and ult, his s1 is the only skill he has to initate, s2 is for dmg and avoid cc skills, every time u use s2 for initiating, u ussually gonna die in that TF without having the oportunity to reap enemies.
tag me how many times Elgin used S2 to initate a TF?
Elgin Made a Small Mistake. As you can see the enemy composition has alot of Magic users "Kadita,Baxia,Js, and Esme"
And as you see his build he didn't have Athena shield or Radiant armor so that's why he gets beaten up easily.
Actually he has a bit of magic defense from his tough boots
Actually, if elgin build athena shield, esme can still counter that
He should sell Dominance Ice since there's no Attack Speed reliant heroes. Then, change into Radiant Armor. Antique Cuirass is great against burst type heroes so he should keep it
@@dweebs1579 He should keep dominance ice, because theres an esme, and thats the one of the item that can counter esme
Athena + esme already fixed... esme didnt get the shield from item
Martis has been getting a load of buffs recently so I have been using him myself a bit but never know why he isn't that popular. I can't see any problem with the hero. I guess he's really excellent the way he is. I usually build full damage on him now and I rarely build any tank items on him because I usually find myself unable to make good use of it or play good but I'm not entirely sure about it. So maybe he can be played well with some tank items as well.
To make him meta, they should bring back his old second skill where it has a fast and longer dash, his skill 2 right now is too slow that’s why he is not that viable
@@xenon3741 Hmmm...I kept thinking if it was because of the second skill just like you mentioned like I have been feeling like it takes pretty longer for him to execute it and by that time, his enemies can pretty much outburst or do a lot more in the duration while he wouldn't be able to dish out much damage from it. Also how he may not benefit from passive much because Martis is a skill based hero could be another thing. But it's a really good passive though.
He needs to have range basic attack like kratos
for hero that has 2 dashes in his second skill, he is too slow. He easily outclassed by masha, grock, chou, yuzhong, edith, etc. xp lane hero meta is filled by good burst damage and good sustain hero, which i think martis is incredibly bad in. The only thing that saving him from being unplayable is his cc immunity and his ult burst.
You know why he is not popular? He doesnt have a damage at late game, he is slow at late game. Most of her dis advantage is late game and most of hero are late dependent so martis has disadvantage on late game. Think he is not popular for most solo players because of his weakness when going solo he needs more speed on his second skill and a faster movement of his second skill he lacks that. He can be played well but he can't carry a whole team.
from Total Physical Attack to Extra Physical Attack, the 5% increase is a nerf. You are forced to build more physical attack.
That's the way to play him, 2 or 1 defense item, not only for skills but also for passive
Elgin:"I can't defend the bottom lane and now my lane is pushed."
Betosky:"*Face palm minimum efficiency"
Betosky: *”now, THATS INTERESTING”*
sometimes, having a slow animation for the second skill help, slower animation meaning longer cc immune and thats one of his key aspects, he can immune so mush cc 2 times. from the first phase of the 2nd skill and its second phase
Me as a Martis main, I'm happy that Elgin made a video about him. He got a lot of buffs in the previous updates but he still in a 50-50 situation when it comes to teamfights (late game). Yes, he's a full package fighter because he has cc/damage/immunity but compare to those popular heroes, the damage output he can deal at most can only be seen when you used your ult properly. No need to rework, his skills are very usefull in most of teamfights, yes he got a lot of buffs and adjustments but the data and the players who're using him shows that he still having a hard time placing himself in the meta.
Well for my case, he's strong when my team got a very strong front and backline, I can be aggressive whenever I want cuz that's how I want to play my Martis.
Yuzhong has everything martis has except attack speed and he’s still a much better hero. Same with the current grock a whole tank moonton doesn’t focus on buffing heroes that are out of meta they just buff populate heroes for to sell the skins
@@olamidedairo5350 moonton is just a money grabbing game. Releasing new buffed heroes so people buy them. Then nerf them. Or like u said buff a hero which has an upcoming skin. Their action dictate our choices. Thats pretty fking pathetic. All those game designers, never worked practical jobs. Only sittin on a desk creating games. 1 skin 1000gems is 500 dollars. Any idea WTF 500dollars are? For a fking skin on a smartphone game. Fck moonton
@@olamidedairo5350 well. Depend on situation. Martis is pretty much hero killer when it come to close range. But with a little ranged. Damn he dead(i mean like x borg or simply phoveus). The only buff that i see he need is damage buff on his first and second. That is enough to make up for meta hero.
I think they should make his passive like this:
After reaching max stacks increase damage dealt by 25% and damaging heroes slow them by 5% stacks up to 3 stacks
So you want his already deadly ult to have 75% more dmg? Lmao yeah totally balanced.
No! It's too much.
Always find people with their buff to make heros really "BALANCED"
Beatrix: * *Casually one-shot*
@@KYSNYAN Never gonma fuckin get that ult properly with how slow you deal damage.
If he's going to deal slow damage it better be big damage.
Martis can be fixed with just one change after attaining his passive his basic attack should heal him like Julian this will make him way more sustainable martis sucks because his skill are made for team fights but he cannot sustain in team fights
He needs to have range basic attack(like kratos)
Indeed my sir even thought his main damage are basic attack but he relied too much on skill which it make him having a hard time dealing with a other enemy heroes that used basic attack
@@randomlygenerated6172 well his second skill is very similar to Kratos using Blades of chaos
Maybe every passive stack he will get additional 2% lifesteal. Full stack 10% lifesteal or it can be changed into spellvamp
@@dweebs1579 may be each stack also increase his dmg by 8% and max 4 stack he gain 32% dmg boost which is similar to Lancelot passive
I love this kind of match. I was actually at the edge of my seat. Not a one-sided match but a close one. The determining factor is the Demon Hunter Sword. It takes high IQ in games like this when your enemies are hard to kill. Good thing Elgin changed his item. Yup Martis maybe climbing up to the meta with this buff... :)
I'm a Martis main, not only I use him as exp laner but also roamer. When I play him as roam, I use Dire Hit and semi-tank build with only two defensive items depends on the enemy conposition. As roam, I build Twilight Armor as 2nd def item for true damage.
I like martis's second skill it has damage reduction and CC immunity but its too slow
It was fast as f*ck so got slowed because of too OP
it was fast before thats also the reason why they nerf him because its too op
I miss the old martis
@@lonewolfnature he was considered as the most broken hero in his release time
@@dimitri8827 yep :/
His sustain is low even with bloodlust Axe, and his skill range is short, I remember the old Martis where his 2nd skill AOE is large and also fast
Tip when playing Martis: You can ult enemies with immortality without your ult being reset and with Sun's Clones
wow thanks, so if i Ult n kill someone with immortality, my Ult will enter that 2nd phase right?
@@vasu1197 yes
@@vasu1197 you can also do a succes ult on guin's clone and make her confused on how martis is running
Found 2 bugs when your teamates somehow ks you while you where ukting on the enemy you can still go that 2nd phase the 2nd bug is when you do a succesive ult on an enemy and someone is near him you can double ult on the 2nd enemy needs to be fast tho
You can also kill kupa ang zhask's first skill
Tips for matis users:when fighting. after using second skill. Don't use it's second phrase if the enemy is not running or if you're not dying. It will basically reset the whole skill after the cooldown.
I think the Tank Meta and buffed defence items have something to do with the decline of Fighter specific heroes. Also from my experience, the least used fighters are either terrible in late game or easily ganked.
What I want for martis is to be able too use ult even during second skill anmation for more flexibility to use ult.
Martis gets a load of buffs recently, but that still proves his performance is still not rising. I think it's time for him to get a rework.
BUT DO NOT CHANGE THE APPEARANCE, I HAD ENOUGH OF SEEING EBOYS IN THIS GAME
As a Martis main they need to bring back the fast casting of 1st skill and 2nd skill. Overall he is a good hero.
Regarding the eboys, i couldnt agree more.
Facts, his looks are cool
lol, I hope martis will be handsome like anime boys too so that martis mains can feel how hard it is to be a vexana main😀
no more eboys plz
They should bring back his old skill
That item adjustment moment was historic.
Her : "No One's at Hone"
Elgin 8:40
The only thing that makes Martis a viable pick is his teamfight capabilities.
His AOE CC and high burst dmg from his ult cal allow him to clean low hp and tank dmg from enemies.
Though, he is pretty weak in a practical sense. He has no sustain and his basic attacks aren't able to deal enough dmg to enemies in the late game. Not to mention, his skills dmg are too slow. Meaning, an enemy can easily replenish their HP pool inbetween his skills due to how slow they are.
I would suggest a revamp. One that I personally would like.
Remember those chains that you see on his intro? Yes, those. His new form will make use of those. I used to pester moontoon on making Martis' passive increase his basic attack range and at max stacks, have a slight pulling effect. But, I guess they decided to use that on the new hero.
So, I'll go with this then.
His passive will still retain the attack speed buff but now, it will have a new effect called "Life Drain." Similar to Alice's ULT, within a range, he will suck up the life essence of any enemies and creeps nearby. This will fill up an energy bar. If this energy bar is filled, his HP regenerates based on his lost HP and enhances his dmg until the energy bar depletes. Life Drain activates upon max stacks of his passive.
His first skill will get a small dash. Whenever he casts his 1st skill, he will dash right into the middle of his first skill to close the gap between him and the enemies.
His 2nd skill to be faster. It's already a pretty decent skill.
His ult will still be the same but, will now be a two stage process depending on the distance between him and the enemy and have more range and a CC effect. This is where I will apply the chains on his sword that you see on his intro. Within a range, if his enemies are too far, he will yeet his sword towards the target, stunning him/her for 0.8s and damaging him/her. He will then drag himself towards the target to land the finishing blow.
Like Kratos's Chains of Olympus
So basically the black dragon bois passive
@@goldendj9700 yeah, but the heal is delayed until the Energy Bar gets filled.
It's kratos❤️
Gotta love the yeet part lol, although he can *literally* yeet himself to the enemy regardless of distance once he's casting his ult 0.5 sec before his marled enemy changes location (except yin cause reasons)
two attack items on martis is actually enough, i recommend using emblem assassin with agility 3, invasion 3, and killing spree. shoes though boots, bloodlst axe for the first atk item and the second could bod, war axe, or dhs. antique cuirass and athena shield is a must have item. remember that his second skill is cc, immune, and dmg reduction up to 60%. the point is antique cuirass and athena are demage reduction item plus the second skill it help alot.
lmao if a martis builds only 2 attack items, antique curass will be an easy counter to him
@@neow6289 Becuz his job is to ks
Bloodlust trash for martis, his 2nd skill doesn't benefit much
Use this build:
1. Defence shoes
2.DHS
3.Malefic roar
4. Dom ice
5. Athena
6.bladr Armor or antique cuirass
@@neow6289 every exp lane hero builds only 2 or 1 DMG item, including yz, paquito, etc
@@killuatard3533 Bro, you're basically listing heroes that have great sustain and very versatile compared to Martis, and you're making a really BOLD claim that every fighter in exp only needs 2 attack items lmao
I like how Martis skills work. He even counter cc heroes. When it comes to ranked game, i always pick Martis for chance to use his cc skills, burst and even his anti-cc.
0:22 From total physical attack to extra physical attack, that’s a big nerf
this is exactly what happens when I play martis. we are always in lead with kills yet somehow our team still falls behind
i feel this, so when i use martis i focus on breaking tower than clash hahaha late game clash he is kinda weak.... i feel like he cannot initiate unless he use tank build hehehe
The problem for martis actually is: his 2nd skill speed.
I think with so many hero getting a revamp or adjustment, which is hugely benefits most of 'em, it's quite safe to bring martis original 2nd skill casting speed.
If it's faster, then the immune duration and Damage Reduction will be reduced too.
There's a reason why it's slow.
@@a_very_burnt_steak wel it's still much better if u remember how martis can easily snatched the back line. So much crazier that's why they decide to nerf it, and slow it down in the first place.
The duration of immunity is not that different though, only 0.5 sec different which is not a problem at all
@@aradityayp62 That's something I can't disagree with.
He was very OP, hides in bushes and you couldn't do anything as he CC you to death.
Then again, I don't think anyone wants any of that.
As an ex martis main, I would say that Elgin played Martis pretty well considering how underused he is. Though can't help but point out some mistakes he made, for starters when there's a Johnson on the enemy team I usually have my s2 ready to slam into the car so I can not only deal with the mage hiding in the car, I also protect my teammates from them. Next you can see him pressing his s2 again even though he doesn't need to, and his s2 continues to recharge if you didn't use his s2 again.
Over all he plays pretty well, and the build is pretty good, would recommend martis as a hero, but he's very situational as he's not good at every situation.
Not taking anything away from eljin but eljin played with his squad it's easy to use martis if your teammates knows when and how to back up and follow up,this is thesame scenario when I had a 7 winning streak on mythic rank games using badang I was playing with my squad one of them is using tigreal and and the other one is using ruby and they are really good in setting up a teamfights which makes it easier for me to land my s2+ss combo this will give the opposing team a hard aoe cc and burst damage so the karina and moskov on my team can finish them off easily
@@vandave1517 true, better with squads and friends
Martis is really good specifically at start of the match to the mid game but late game he cant do any thing so martis needs a big buff on his late game ability
Try Wind Talker and Berserker fury and BoD with 2 def items
Martis really needs to have another skill dash(Initiate)/passive effect something like battle freak where he gain's movement speed and his next attack will deal an extra true damage based on 100% extra physical atk(Similar to his ult if he get's a kill and blade of hepetasis) if he's not dealing damage for 5 sec(Taking damage will not remove the effect)
Martis adjustment idea:
Passive: also increase his basic atk dmg by smol extra phy%, at max stack has a war axe level mov speed buff
1st skill: higher slow and slightly less CD considering it barely stuns enemies
2nd: make animation slightly faster for someone who is Ashura KING
3rd: nothing idk it's already op
I do know a mayhem idea of ult: marks enemies not killed by ult, killing marked enemies reduces his other skills CD by some amount
The ult needs perfect time, so the KS kings will make your life painful
And the passive is pretty much perfect imo
His second skill feels good in a time fight because you keep playing with the enemy and they can't do anything, it's like akai
@@lebanana151 His ult is really powerful especially wit Blade of Despair
All of the fighters that are unpopular need to get buff
To be honest most of the fighters we have now seem weak in general. They either are weaker tanks with a little more damage or half assed assassins.
True
It's because of new heroes overloaded with shits like Paquito,Yin and Yu Zhong who has all sustain,damage,dashes with movement buffs,heal/shield,stuns/knock-ups you want on a fighter. If you had all this whats the use of using heroes such as Martis.
My friend is obsessed with playing Martis, especially if there are lot of crowd control heroes on enemies team, especially Tigreal .
give him dmg reduction when he uses his 2nd skill till the 2nd phase of 2nd skill is used or it goes on cooldown. You just rush in with 2nd skill and if anyone is able to dodge that, you are pretty much dead. And make hive him true damage on basic at 4th stack of his atk speed passive. Then there will be some use to his basic attacks in late game.
Attack speed and True Damage is broken, look at karrie...with his ult that would be too unfair.
@@Kelv_ Of course it will scale with his attack. Less true damage in early and more true damage in late. Just think. Do you ever use your basic atks in late games except for clearing lanes? So if we change his dmg to true dmg, then there will be some use to it. Or maybe his basic attack at 4 stacks will reduce phy defence of enemy. So you can now use your 1-2 skill combo then basic attack to reduce defence then use ult.
the only way i can think of martis getting to the meta is either him getting buffed to absolute absurdity or at least one of his skills getting a complete overhaul kind of like how Hilda's passive and skills got a drastic change recently
I always wanted martis to have built-in heal like alpha's 2° skill and make the ult deal T.D regardless of enemy hp
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If moonton will bring back the fast cast on his 1st and 2nd skill, i think he will be back to meta...
Is better he's not in meta, more easy for mains to use ahahah
Try adding a cresent moon on your buIld with martis, ive used martis quite a lot in the past but didn't keep up with the meta, you could go sith the standard fighter build for him and add a cresent moon on it or go full crit with him which bursts the enemies but is very squishy, also a tip when using 2nd you don't have to use the second cast every time because when it goes in to cooldown it only takes around 1 or 2sec and best to use as a way to cut off enemies when trying to escape
When I use martis, I prefer Bod and the rest is tank Items with the concussive blast emblem, I’ve used it against many meta heroes like paquito, esme and gloo and it’s effective especially lasting long in a clash is really helpful, I just use ult on a sure kill enemy
Try using demon hunter bro I think it's quite worth it since his passive is like a free inspire, when I play him I always use 1 dhs and rest are tank items
Demon hunter and Malefic bro. It’s tank meta this season you need some serious armor breaker.
2:30 IDK why but i can't stop laughing with Elgin's lines
DHS+War Axe is pretty much enough for his damage, BFBP is a really good def item for him.
You can also take either Malefic, Hunter Strike or BOD as his last item since two def items is already more than enough
When using martis I have this habit of not using the second phase of his second skill unless needed to avoid a cc or disengaging. Its a very helpful thing if you master it.
As a Martis main his buff are enough to be in the meta and to be place in S tier fighter class . Just use him in the right way and with the right items he can be a monster . Even Kratos would tremble in fear for Martis😁
Whos kratos?
I mean Martis is straight up a copy from asura wrath and kratos. Appearance like asura and even the name, the blades of Martis seems, if not very similar to the blades of chaos. Ml back then is famous of taking inspirations tho so I think tats the case here
Martis can't be place s cause he suck at late especially when mm can outrange him then he just wait to die
no he won't. small buffs and adjustments aren't enough to put him on s-tier or in the meta.
he can't keep up with SUSTAIN exp laners all throughout the game. it's also not an issue of "it depends on the player." you'll only win against a sustain fighter if he/she sucks at playing.
As a guy who can fucking read.
No, he did not get enough buffs considering he needs to build more damage items - sacrificing the total damage multiplier for an extra damage multiplier meaning you need mlre damage items to match the damage he had before when using damage AND tank items instead.
He sucks at mobility, his combos are too slow and he's only scary in team fights and early game duels.
He loses too much in late game whilst having too little to contribute from then forth.
And considering the tank meta right now, games do last way longer enough to let MMs and other late game heroes outclass martis.
He can't be tanky and do good damage anymore, he has been nerfed.
The only thing buffed is his KILL STEAL abilities.
6:09 this part is where the true damage of martis that elgin was explaning us on martis ult see that brody was wearing a wind chant but still got killed
I think the main problem with martis is his CCs are slow so it is kinda easy to escape from him. He can not use his 2nd skill effectively unless the enemy hero is very close to him .
Exactly, his skill 2 animation takes way too long and is almost as slow as running normally.
@@abreezeofwind8037 his second skill is faster before they nerf him thats also the reason why they nerf him
@@asxan-d4b Yep, I saw it on a random video in my recommendations, they shouldn't have changed that.
Thats when flicker comes in
Some players just aren't interested using other heroes because they tend to use the hero that streamers recommended and using. In fact, Martis can really stand out, his immunity to cc is much useful because most of the players in ranked game preferred to use cc heroes for easy ambush and let the damage dealers move freely, meanwhile Martis is not just immune to cc, he can also cancel some of the enemy skills so he can really do much during team fight.
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Im a martis user too. I think its better if they change its damage type from extra physical to total physical. His damage from his skill doesnt deal much. Mostly he rely from his basic attack because of its passive having attack speed.
If Moontoon just returns his old 2nd speed he'll become more reliable. They nerf him, but won't nerf Gus or Chou, what a sellout
Gus is easily countered by athenas theres no reason to nerf him
@@SayShelo ahat about chou? Literally no counterplay in 1v1 situations against pro chou's. Only way to beat a pro chou is to 1v3 at least
@@nt0027 I don't know bout that.
@@nt0027 Chou is really good when it comes to vs 1. U have to play defensive and wait for allies to help if u can't really do much against pro chou. This game is about team play after all. Good thing is that chou is only good at locking one enemy. He can't really carry the team just he can changed the tide of the battle if ur team make mistakes. But in late game he is acting more to support or sometimes even split pusher depending on the situation.
martis is really fun to play as a martis user i really love his playstyle
Imo It's hard to get value from his ult by getting multiple executes because he's too squishy. The one champ I could compare him with is Darius and he is very tanky unlike martis he can survive the whole teamfight so he has alot of chances to get an execute from his ult.
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I just had a mirror martis match and i must say he needs a buff on his second skill because its too slow
The slower it is the longer the immunity he'll have. Martis are immune to cc skill during the dash.
@@eudorophobia.5923 we don't need that sh**ty long a** 2nd skill so what if he has longer immunity when your enemies can simply walk away to you and burst you right after you use your 2nd skill what we need is faster and low cooldown even after using the *2nd phase* of his skill
elgin you need to try giving him tank items with bloodlust to be the only attack item so that he can survive late game clashes, his second skill will be his main damage and do not use the second phase of his second skill too often (youll notice what i mean), also his last skill ignores shield just like execute so i use execute+3rd skill on him to counter high shield/tanky heroes and they melt easily ez kill
The Problem With Martis Is That He Can't Sustain Anything. Even With A Lot Of Sustain Items Like Bloodlust Or Oracle, His Kit Is Perfect For Teamfights Yet He Almost Always Dies.
This hero is quite unique in my opinion... He goes berserk whenever he kills someone with his Ultimate Skill and I am quite fond about this hero... He is interesting...
Ever since the decline of his gameplay, these buffs definitely made him more viable as a fighter compared to the others. Its his disgusting kill -stealing- securing ult that makes him a nightmare to deal and along with is cc immunity dash skills
2023 Martis now is meta
Hes Bit lacking on late game wish they Buff more
Basically martis has this passive effect on his skill where he can get attack speed by casting it. Sustain damage hero, very good in mid game if you asked me, 2nd skill is pretty overpowered as well as ult. 2nd skill is immune to cc's which makes it op and 3rd skillis not affected by any def items since its true damage, its like the towers, the damage is true damage so it is not affected by any def item. Overall pretty good
Martis need late game scaling
If Martis upgrade his ulti he will gain new abilities and effects
First upgrade on his ulti he gain Ashura boost, each time he cast his skills his dmg will be increase by 8% and can stack up to 4 times just like his passive
Second upgrade his second skill range and animation increase like the old Martis
Final upgrade he gain basic attack immunity when using his second skill, this might help him a lot to counter marksman in the late game
His ult damage increases each time its used with the movement speed.
cool Elgin you manage to epic comeback and cool videos and thanks for your other videos that show us a tips and I think Leomord didn't get any buff or nerf and no revamp
I personally see him very fit as a tank. Pretty annoying I'll say, and very effective when I use it
Martis really is one of my fav fighters back then, it's just there are a lot of glass canons around. My einrate with him is so low. : (
The problem with martis is simple: You can't rely on skill damage. It's waaaay too low for the current metagame.
And martis basic atk doesnt sustain crazy like aulus. If you focus on spell vamp and u dont have basic atk dmg, focus on basic atk or phys atk and u dont have spell vamp to sustain, really needs new passive or smth
Yeah. Pretty much. They need to buff his skill a little. After 800 match. That what i can say. He maybe deadly killer for marksman and mage. But if the enemy is fricking tank Or let just say brody. Yeah he dead.
They made him a mix of skill-reliant and a basic attack reliant hero at the same time, which is ridiculous. Old Martis is just better. Heavily combo reliant and with high sustain.
@@iamengineered his attack speed is pretty much used for push while his skill used to kill.
@@fatehruzman9280 yeah. The problem with that is the skill 2 which is waaaay too slow to get atkspd stacks. Old Martis isn't like that.
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Martis is strong at early to mid game, but he lacks damage and sustainability especially in the late game. He is a initiator meaning he needs to get close to the enemy, but how can he get close if he's dead already.
I think he needs a small stun on his first skill rather than just a slow, faster 2nd skill with lower cd. They can also add more physical attack or penetration on his passive and not just attack speed.
I think he had a stun on hid 1st skill when he got released. They said it was op so moonton removed it
I agree. A stun would take him from C tier to A tier easily
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Just a little story:
I bought Martis last week and I played him for 15 times as of now and out of that 15 games, I got 3 maniacs and a savage... So according to my experience he is really good so it kinda make me wonder why he is underrated
He's not that good in late game, at least for my experience.
@@leechan5736 agreed. If people argue his mm build late game he just doesn't have the mobility to cope up with late game marksmen (cough cough, wanwan, irithel) for me personally matching against a wanwan using martis will give you eternal depression for sure.
Edit: Also forgot to mention wind of nature, that adds to the depression I get when facing wanwans or any marksmen in general.
@@UserMatt21 lol
My first hero was Martis...idk anything about these heroes that time, as the game was new to me...i only bought him because of his killer looks 😎😈
He's the first hero which I got savage with but his late game is weak ngl
With the recent buffs he get, I find him a bit better than he used to from the previous seasons that I've been using him.
Loving the s2 and s3 adjustments. Hopefully MoonTROLL wouldn't pull the same sh1t as they did with nana
Me : "How do we CC Martis?"
Elgin : "You can't. Martis is blessed with invulnerability to all CC,physical or magical"
Me : "But there's gotta be a way"
Elgin : "You can't. Martis Is Blessed with invulnerability to all CC,Physical Or Magical"
Me : "You Just Said That"
Suppression is exception he's not immune to franco and kaja ult.
I understood that reference
As a martis main you shouldn't use your 2nd twice just one 2nd skill then 1st in order to maximize his stack coz. if you use the 2nd skill twice the cd will be 5 to 6 seconds unless using it just once the cd will be 0 to 2 seconds only... Prioritize the items that has attack speed and true damage, always gain 4 stacks and, reserve you 2nd skill to cancel any cc...
He used to be a OP back then, his first and second skills has slow, stun and knock up skill
i like how he doesn't get mad whenever someone steals his kill
And now martis is banned how about that love 🤣
Martis needs* more love
Gord: i'm fine
I guess Martis is OP now after using him several times but the problem why he's still unpopular for me, is becuz of its godly KS thats pretty annoying to your teamates. Specially when your playing 5 man your teammates will have a hard time to get some kills specially to your team jungler which is an important component of the team..
Nope he deal slow dmg... he cant come fast to you thats why... He is strong yes but in tf he is slow..
yes he needs more buff
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Martis isn't popular ..
Martis: *With invincibility, comes solitude* .
ELGIN: I'm using the god of war
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Mage selection of the enemy plays a big role oh how martis performs on clashes too
This is my first time seeing a tank use wind of nature lol
As a martis main I suggest playing very aggressive in early to mid game because his ulti during these phases is almost unstoppable if executed properly and martis doesn't need sustain necessarily, he just needs an agressive playstyle u get into team fights quickly mess up their formation target enemies with low hp or squishy heroes, help your team in the early-mid phases so your team has enough gold to let the late game heroes carry u through late phases of the game all u need to do his provide them support with ur cc thats how martis is meant to be played each hero has their unique role
I always feel happy when martis is talked about and others share their opinion on this underrated king.
I think Zask also needs a buff,too many heroes can kill his ult spawn,and the long cool down just makes him useless in most team fights. He's a good late game mage,but getting into the late game is hard for him .
Elgin:I think my teammates are planning to take it.
My teammates:nah i think ill farm first then attack after my enemy kill lord
I think Martis is a really versatile fighter hero... *The only way you can easily kill him is if u burst/ambush him like harley, nana, or any heroes that has stun, immobilzed, or airborne.*
Genius he can escape stun skills,immobolized, airborne except supress
i think making his basic attack and crit increase it will put him in current meta like they did to ling also increase his speed after killing using ult for more chasing
Damnnn mah martis boi is getting more buff in the past few patch:))))) Still getting amazze by the "ashura" line when using ultimateee
I'm actually using Martis more often because I used to main him a lot
In case you don't know.
if you didn't use the second phase of his second skill the cd is just 2 seconds so whenever I play Martis I don't usually use the second phase
Good video, use second skill twice only when needed if you only use it once cd will be faster. Its good to have sea halberd too esp. in tanky heroesp and overall it was a good game.♥️♥️♥️
All we need is getting his 20% dmg scaling on skill 2 and skill casting speed back. But no, they buff everythinh but that
Faramis and vexana: what about me~ what about me and you together something that could really last forever...
Honestly as a Martis main here his problem mostly lies on his First skill actually not his second skill.
There's two ways to make him literally viable is to either A - Bring back his Old first skill with the after stun but don't make it 1 second or 0.8 atleast 0.5 or 0.1 should suffice. Or if they don't want that route make the skill casting animation faster.
And B - If they still insist on having his second skill adjusted again and again welp why not make it so it'll have faster cast animation, buff on the damage reduction or maybe atleast slight increase his range.
On paper he's a good or heck really great hero, But because of his first skill it's close to easy to dodge for those who know how to counter him. Not to mention once his second skill is on cd his almost vulnerable, and yeah he has his increase basic atk speed passive but because of the popularity of Dominance ice its an Hard counter item for him.
And seriously tho the change I don't really like the most is the part from his 2nd from Total Phys to Extra Phys.
Which honestly sad on his tank Martis counterpart I mean hey if other fighters can be tankify why not him as well.
But seriously tho good for them noticing but it's still close to not enough somewhat unless they either fix his first skill or adjust the second skill I mean faster animation but less dmg reduction is already a good compensation (regarding his second skill if they still don't touch his first).
Plus atleast after clumping enemies into the mid with his first he can follow up immediately unlike currently Where it's close to dodgeable especially if they have fast reaction time or is a Martis user themselves even when their clumped up.
Other than that tho maybe I'm just a joke of a Martis user and this change just feels weird because on how they done it or I haven't gotten used to it yet but atm I just hope they'll bring back the First skill after stun or make the casting animation faster.
13:05 Baxia used Wind of Nature??