Good tierlist. Angel is definitely my favourite tier 7 unit for speed-clearing a map. Any upgraded lvl 7 unit is quite expensive to obtain - with this in mind, Arch Angels are quite cost efficient to get.
I feel like u really underrate frenzy+ crimson coatles and clone+ crimson coatles combos, it really can turn the tides of visually lost battles, since not many units can overcome 15 speed, and clone can hit twice. So if archdevils got their S tier (for a good reason, ngl), so crimson coatles also deserve some love (maybe high B or low A, i don`t know) On everything else, tierlist is pretty good. I would swap over some positions, but nothing really important. And I also really like this kind of talkative tierlist videos!
Yes he didn't get that unit right. You can essentially get 4 attacks off from your full stack without magic or retaliation from opponent, as long as you have speed priority
Phoenix is S grade. It is the fastest unit (first mover advantage) that can be bought in town; has rebirth (mini resurrection) and deals decent damage for 2 square spaces. This also enables the player to be the first to cast spell and it is a huge advantage. Conflux also has double growth, when the difference in unit strength is not too big, numbers always win. I value Phoenix to be on par with Archangel. I disagree with Titan's ranking, although it is the strongest shooter, it costs a lot to build (tech wise and unit) and has slow speed. I would put it as between A to S.
Thanks for the comment. I would agree if it had double growth in HotA. However, it has only +50% (with additional building). But with that +50% only it actually loses 1vs1 against almost every other Upped 7 unit with same weeks of growth :)
Haha im first I like golden dragon, it suffers 5th magic and HP but better in every other way against Black Dragons. But Hydras with tankiness and attacking swarms of weak units shines at most unlike primal haspids with more one target specialist, it's two units with specific occasions.
The Azure Dragon's Fear ability is just insane. But that said, in a game with insta-kill unit abilities, and that includes on ranged units, well... eh. I'd say in most case they're S just because they're fantastic fun, and they are almost certainly going to ruin an enemy's plans just by existing. Arch Angels are fantastic too, definitely agree. Titans make up for the existence of Giants, which is rather interesting game design.
I would maybe say black dragons are a bit better, if compared to other upg tier 7 units, they are around avrage price in my oppinion, also i think it is better to consider breath attack a dubble edged sword aswell, because it can be used against you. I really like your tier lists, keep up the good work!
Much of the cases i am level with you. The things i am not, is like an minor disputes. I would put Behemoth on B tier, cause when you think about stats C fine but there only 1500gold the cheapest one on the list, rest of unupgradeds floating around 2.5k. Also, maybe i would downgrade Black Dragon one tier, in terms of stats Gold is matching with Black, only susceptible Level 5 spells differs than Black so it feels like there should not be tier difference.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, Behes are cheap but imo Stronghold is quite often floating resources as they don't have enough weekly growth to use it all. About Dragons, imo the 50 HP difference is beneficial for Blacks (not necessarily vs Golds but in other battles) :)
Always loved the chaos hydra as a kid. Reminded Mr of the hydra from Disney's Hercules... except in game it was atrocious and got shafted. Was in desperately need of buffing 😞
@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu given the faction is all about defense, I don't mind it being slow. But it then needs to be tanky. Defense needs buffing and either regeneration or more hit points.
I agree with that tierlist , to rust dragons i only want to add that they split acid and sometimes acid also deals DMG , and about gigant and titans that's why i dont buy gigants only wait for titans bc the difference is like earth and heaven
Are Arch Devil's really strong in HotA ? I always found them a little Squishy in SoD. They aren't amazing in WoG either, even at advanced tier. Good list btw.
-luck for enemy from their passive is arguably better than arch angel moral boost, along with the fact that luck can also drop bellow 0 so enemy can get "unlucky hit" for 50% less dmg. I would say that's the most significant change after SoD that makes the unit as strong as it is.
Тир лист хороший, но три вопроса, почему древние чудовища, багровые Коатли и фениксы Так Низко Чудовища по сути своей однозначно сильнее BD коатли хоть т ситуативные, но они тоже очень даже достойные войска, фениксы вообще первый ход и инициатива в битве
Thanks for the comment. Agreed about the 1st mover. At the same time, with HotA growth the Phoenixes tend to lose almost vs any other T7+ in 1v1 :) What I don't like about Behes, is their slow speed which means they can be outmaneuvered relatively easily.
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu феникс это универсальный инструмент, он даёт преимущество в том же ауткасте на твой первый каст, а мишек можно и разогнать, существует же молитва и ускорение если это какой то поздний период игры, коатли под бешенством и клоном вообще безумные существа неуязвимость + урон Х4
if it was guaranteed on hit affect it would rocket them up to A but as its a chance it means you rely a lot of luck which isn't great. Also their speed is average and health is average it leaves them as a C
@@oscarredman36 yep, just ignore the fact that you can make a ghost from any (ANY) tier-7 creature you grab in other towns or join with diplomacy, making hundreds of them while the opponent struggles with +2 growth a week. Ignore the way they affect enemy morale, ignore their immunity to most dangerous spells like berserk / blindness, ignore that they're the cheapest dragons - and they're clearly C grade.
I don't value devils that high at all. Unupgraded they're slow, deals low amount of damage, has low hp and the building and unit cost a lot. Upgraded devils are much better but 200 hp is terrible for a lvl 7 unit. Ancient Bs are easily S tier. Dirt cheap high hp and deals a TON of damage. Arch angels are way overhyped. Great unit, yes, but super expensive and the building costs an insane amount. Low end s tier for me. And titans do NOT belong in S tier. Terrible building requirements+ extremely expensive means that you will get these units much later. The list i fine otherwise.
The introduction of bad luck made Devils much better. Especially since bad luck has twice the chance of triggering as good luck. So -3 luck gives a 25% chance of triggering and doing half damage.
I disagree. Maybe with very high heroes stats yes, but in early/mid game they deal similiar damage to Haspids, which are faster and poisonous. They win 1 on 1 too.
Good tierlist. Angel is definitely my favourite tier 7 unit for speed-clearing a map. Any upgraded lvl 7 unit is quite expensive to obtain - with this in mind, Arch Angels are quite cost efficient to get.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed, if the units were just to duke it out, imo unupped T7s would be more cost efficient :)
I feel like u really underrate frenzy+ crimson coatles and clone+ crimson coatles combos, it really can turn the tides of visually lost battles, since not many units can overcome 15 speed, and clone can hit twice. So if archdevils got their S tier (for a good reason, ngl), so crimson coatles also deserve some love (maybe high B or low A, i don`t know)
On everything else, tierlist is pretty good. I would swap over some positions, but nothing really important. And I also really like this kind of talkative tierlist videos!
Yes he didn't get that unit right. You can essentially get 4 attacks off from your full stack without magic or retaliation from opponent, as long as you have speed priority
Thanks for the comment. Perhaps they could be a bit higher. :)
Great to hear your voice! had a break from HoMM content and was pleasantly surprised that you are making voiced ones now!
Thank You! And welcome back :)
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu Are you from Finland by any chance?
@@sagiezov3969 Indeed I am. Did the accent reveal it ;D Thanks for the comment.
Phoenix is S grade. It is the fastest unit (first mover advantage) that can be bought in town; has rebirth (mini resurrection) and deals decent damage for 2 square spaces. This also enables the player to be the first to cast spell and it is a huge advantage. Conflux also has double growth, when the difference in unit strength is not too big, numbers always win. I value Phoenix to be on par with Archangel.
I disagree with Titan's ranking, although it is the strongest shooter, it costs a lot to build (tech wise and unit) and has slow speed. I would put it as between A to S.
Thanks for the comment. I would agree if it had double growth in HotA. However, it has only +50% (with additional building). But with that +50% only it actually loses 1vs1 against almost every other Upped 7 unit with same weeks of growth :)
Haha im first
I like golden dragon, it suffers 5th magic and HP but better in every other way against Black Dragons.
But Hydras with tankiness and attacking swarms of weak units shines at most unlike primal haspids with more one target specialist, it's two units with specific occasions.
Congrats! It clearly has its uses but imo the main drawback is the really high price of the required building :) Thanks for the comment.
The Azure Dragon's Fear ability is just insane. But that said, in a game with insta-kill unit abilities, and that includes on ranged units, well... eh. I'd say in most case they're S just because they're fantastic fun, and they are almost certainly going to ruin an enemy's plans just by existing. Arch Angels are fantastic too, definitely agree. Titans make up for the existence of Giants, which is rather interesting game design.
Thanks for the comment. Valid points, agreed :)
I would maybe say black dragons are a bit better, if compared to other upg tier 7 units, they are around avrage price in my oppinion, also i think it is better to consider breath attack a dubble edged sword aswell, because it can be used against you. I really like your tier lists, keep up the good work!
Thank You! My main qualm with Black Dragons is that the Upped Dragon Cave is dirty expensive to get :)
Much of the cases i am level with you. The things i am not, is like an minor disputes. I would put Behemoth on B tier, cause when you think about stats C fine but there only 1500gold the cheapest one on the list, rest of unupgradeds floating around 2.5k. Also, maybe i would downgrade Black Dragon one tier, in terms of stats Gold is matching with Black, only susceptible Level 5 spells differs than Black so it feels like there should not be tier difference.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, Behes are cheap but imo Stronghold is quite often floating resources as they don't have enough weekly growth to use it all. About Dragons, imo the 50 HP difference is beneficial for Blacks (not necessarily vs Golds but in other battles) :)
Less go! 🔥
:) Thanks for the comment.
Ghost Dragons deserve B tier. You can always farm them with Animate dead and in offense, they are good.
Ah, it seems I overlooked that Animate dead :) Thanks for the comment.
They will ruin any T7 stack with their aging ability.
A perfect unit for the first strike.
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yuNo problem: Its more significant in late game, especially with Thant as the main hero.
@@dmitryvoronov7431 True but the chance is only 20% :) Thanks for the comment.
best channel ever
Thank You! :)
Always loved the chaos hydra as a kid. Reminded Mr of the hydra from Disney's Hercules... except in game it was atrocious and got shafted. Was in desperately need of buffing 😞
Thanks for the comment. Imo especially the slow speed is their weakness :)
@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu given the faction is all about defense, I don't mind it being slow. But it then needs to be tanky. Defense needs buffing and either regeneration or more hit points.
@@aaronmadders Thanks for the comment. Agreed, it is not that tanky :)
I agree with that tierlist , to rust dragons i only want to add that they split acid and sometimes acid also deals DMG , and about gigant and titans that's why i dont buy gigants only wait for titans bc the difference is like earth and heaven
Thanks for the comment. Agreed on the Rust Dragon. It can be quite nice if applied multiple times :)
for single player crimson couatl is def S tier, I love Eovacius + couatl combo
Well, with that hero, sure :) Thanks for the comment.
Are Arch Devil's really strong in HotA ? I always found them a little Squishy in SoD. They aren't amazing in WoG either, even at advanced tier.
Good list btw.
Thank You! Imo the non-retaliation attack makes them rather viable tactically. It enables quite nice hit-and runs :)
Good point. I rarely play as inferno to be fair@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu
-luck for enemy from their passive is arguably better than arch angel moral boost, along with the fact that luck can also drop bellow 0 so enemy can get "unlucky hit" for 50% less dmg. I would say that's the most significant change after SoD that makes the unit as strong as it is.
The negative luck in HOTA makes Arch Devils suddenly very nasty
Тир лист хороший, но три вопроса, почему древние чудовища, багровые Коатли и фениксы Так Низко
Чудовища по сути своей однозначно сильнее BD коатли хоть т ситуативные, но они тоже очень даже достойные войска, фениксы вообще первый ход и инициатива в битве
Thanks for the comment. Agreed about the 1st mover. At the same time, with HotA growth the Phoenixes tend to lose almost vs any other T7+ in 1v1 :) What I don't like about Behes, is their slow speed which means they can be outmaneuvered relatively easily.
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu феникс это универсальный инструмент, он даёт преимущество в том же ауткасте на твой первый каст, а мишек можно и разогнать, существует же молитва и ускорение если это какой то поздний период игры, коатли под бешенством и клоном вообще безумные существа неуязвимость + урон Х4
Ghosts with aging spell only C?
Man... You should really try playing Heroes 3 some day!
:) Thanks for the comment.
if it was guaranteed on hit affect it would rocket them up to A but as its a chance it means you rely a lot of luck which isn't great. Also their speed is average and health is average it leaves them as a C
@@oscarredman36 yep, just ignore the fact that you can make a ghost from any (ANY) tier-7 creature you grab in other towns or join with diplomacy, making hundreds of them while the opponent struggles with +2 growth a week. Ignore the way they affect enemy morale, ignore their immunity to most dangerous spells like berserk / blindness, ignore that they're the cheapest dragons - and they're clearly C grade.
I don't value devils that high at all. Unupgraded they're slow, deals low amount of damage, has low hp and the building and unit cost a lot. Upgraded devils are much better but 200 hp is terrible for a lvl 7 unit.
Ancient Bs are easily S tier. Dirt cheap high hp and deals a TON of damage.
Arch angels are way overhyped. Great unit, yes, but super expensive and the building costs an insane amount. Low end s tier for me.
And titans do NOT belong in S tier. Terrible building requirements+ extremely expensive means that you will get these units much later.
The list i fine otherwise.
Thanks for the comment. Valid points :)
The introduction of bad luck made Devils much better. Especially since bad luck has twice the chance of triggering as good luck. So -3 luck gives a 25% chance of triggering and doing half damage.
@@KingOfMadCows Thanks for the comment. Agreed on that. Especially in bigger battles it triggers quite a bit :)
Behemoth>Haspid
Thanks for the comment. Agreed in some circumstances :)
I disagree. Maybe with very high heroes stats yes, but in early/mid game they deal similiar damage to Haspids, which are faster and poisonous. They win 1 on 1 too.
@@Allkon In my opinion the Behemoth is way easier to build and to mass with external dwellings
@@Burrowsmp3 to obtain yes, but AB are not stronger. They are more cost effective though