How good are these new units?

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  • @carlmariavonweber9875
    @carlmariavonweber9875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    Dont forget that Olgois can eat corpse, so your Opp cannot revive his powerstack with sacrifice or something else. Really powerful in pvp

    • @averagelizard2489
      @averagelizard2489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Definitely nit powerful, it's underwhelming. Sacrifice only occurs in like 1 in 7 games, and it pretty much only appears in late game or mid-late game, in which Olgois aren't a very preferred powerstack. And even then, you are still sacrifcing the turn of the Olgois, and also the opponent is above 100 elo, he can play around the fact that Olgois can do that, and even if it works, even then it's not that powerful.

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@averagelizard2489 They can also eat and attack in the same turn if they attack from the square the corpse is on iirc

    • @averagelizard2489
      @averagelizard2489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LoLaSn Didn't know that p. Doesn't make a big difference anyway.

    • @bard99332
      @bard99332 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They are a good unit. But they don’t roll when hasted so meh

    • @bard99332
      @bard99332 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are a good unit. But they don’t roll when hasted so meh

  • @chichoskruch21
    @chichoskruch21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    I love the fact that they resisted making an OP new faction (like most fan made projects do) and instead made an interesting faction!

    • @ArgumentumAdHominem
      @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It's really interesting. Even after 2 weeks of trying we still don't quite know how strong the faction is, because we don't know how to optimally play it. I am tempted to say that they are somewhat weak compared to other factions in JO/Duel. But likely I'm still a noob

  • @michalkuban9888
    @michalkuban9888 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    7:37 He meant no retaliation ofc., not no melee penalty. They also get really nice speed boost. Engineer + Sentinel combo saved my ass in early Utopia I did not think I could beat. But beware... the AI knows :D

  • @jakubmalinowski1474
    @jakubmalinowski1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Notes about bounty hunters/gunslingers: They are using their own shots to preemptively retaliate, which means if you don't have ammo cart, they are technically preemptively shooting limited amount of times. Also shooters that are attacking twice such as crossbows and grand elves only take one shot, not two. Gunslingers also are unaffected by spell Counterstrike. Lastly - if you block them, they act like a real shooter; if you don't have sharpshooters' bow they cannot preemptively shoot the attacker if there is an enemy blocking that option.

    • @niewpisze7493
      @niewpisze7493 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah, but they have 24 bullets. I don't think ammo will end before enemy or you are dead.

    • @jakubmalinowski1474
      @jakubmalinowski1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@niewpisze7493 depends. If you put your bounty hunter as the only stack in the battle against shooters you can technically resurrect them keeping them equally as long as they are shooting up until they lose all of the ammo. fighting against shooters splitted to 6 stacks makes your hunters retaliate for only 3 turns, if 7 stacks its even less since you can also shoot.
      in reality in a fight against titans with high defense shield (e.g. +12d/-3a) + EoL + mass slow + air shield, reaching 0 ammo with them is really easy.

    • @Just_a-guy
      @Just_a-guy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jakubmalinowski1474 If you put unit in worst scenario for them, they looks bad? Im shocked :O

  • @Boleslav4
    @Boleslav4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Olgoi Khorkhoi is like a mythical huge worm in Mongolia. Sorry if somebody mentioned that already. I just love the name refference.

  • @MrStump
    @MrStump 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    I see factory as town of duality, there is a beast/nature path and tech and robots one, when you look at their units like that it makes a lot of sense, ther is no tier 4 and 6 only two types of 3 and 5 and double 7

    • @RabianskiT
      @RabianskiT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great comment! 🏆

    • @Beordstin
      @Beordstin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Hell no.
      Automatons are pretty good t4 when armadillos are just nerfed griffons.
      But yep, gunslingers look more like t5.5 than t6.

  • @roboslone
    @roboslone 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Happy birthday, Lexiu!

    • @Admin_Prooo
      @Admin_Prooo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How old? :D

  • @SummerTalion
    @SummerTalion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Armadillos are a higher tier units than mighty gorgon. Let that sink in

    • @f1shze4lot
      @f1shze4lot 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well they should've rolled better

  • @the_beer_hunter6606
    @the_beer_hunter6606 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Another point when it comes to Automatons/ Sentinel Automatons is that they're also one of the best Clone targets in the game, as you can blow the clones up as well, which can deal insane amount of damage.

    • @NiN0sss
      @NiN0sss 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      9 damage..only useful when they die

    • @carlmariavonweber9875
      @carlmariavonweber9875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do they full stack dmg? Like if i clone 100, this clone stack dies, deal they 870 dmg?

    • @_Seph_
      @_Seph_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@carlmariavonweber9875Yes

    • @carlmariavonweber9875
      @carlmariavonweber9875 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wait they do 8700 dmg then? Quick maths

    • @_Seph_
      @_Seph_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@carlmariavonweber9875 I don't know the exact dmg so I'll trust you. But if it's cloned stack of 100 Auromatons, it's counting as 100 units. So it will blow up 100 of them, not 1. Idk if it's 870 or 8700 tho 😂

  • @sidewinder2057
    @sidewinder2057 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    So Master Gremlins got S rank and Halfling Grenadiers B? Interesting

    • @vismundcygnus01
      @vismundcygnus01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Main difference is growth. Gremlins have the lowest AI value in the game so you get so many more per box than Halflings. It's very easy to have 200-300 Master Gremlins 117, with Halflings you'll usually only have half that amount

    • @entarork1
      @entarork1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Yes thats weird. Halflings should be S tier. Better dmg, stats, speed, luck bonus than gremlins

    • @pokermonik
      @pokermonik 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@vismundcygnus01i think amount of units you get in box shouldn't be accounted for unit strength... Take for account duel template they set boxes manually

    • @vismundcygnus01
      @vismundcygnus01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@pokermonik Lexi mostly plays Duel, so his tier lists are always based on that. Also Duel doesn't set the number of creatures in a box, it is based on their AI value, and they don't limit the number of T1 boxes either

    • @vismundcygnus01
      @vismundcygnus01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not saying I agree with his ranking btw, I just understand his reasoning. I think if he was rating them against other T1 units he would put them in the same tier as Master Gremlins

  • @guest273
    @guest273 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Eovacius unironically makes Factory S tier. They have so many units that benefit insanely from Cloning. I think the only 'bad' clone option are the Armadillos, no?

  • @jakubmalinowski1474
    @jakubmalinowski1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Unupgraded couatl can be used as an arma trap, thats his main pro. Hes not super strong, but strong enough to kill the rest of units on the battlefield that survived ggdon. Also Factory can get this spell from mage guild meaning that Couatl is decent even though his stats and ability makes them seemingly pretty useless.

  • @n00bultima
    @n00bultima 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Finally, a tier list where we can see everyone's heads!

  • @ilikeanimeverymuch
    @ilikeanimeverymuch 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I would put juggernauts and dreadnoughts a bit higher as their ability have another small niche - not triggering fire shield. I saw many games where it was only factor of lose game due to Ogre fist (or whatever set is being called) casting fire shield. And yeah I think up version should have 8 speed.

  • @ArgumentumAdHominem
    @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video as always. One cool thing to add would be to take screenshots of tierlists of other factions you already did, and comment on where Factory stands in terms of unit power level distribution compared to other factions.

  • @adamhero459
    @adamhero459 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    With the couatl ability also gives them all magic immunity, or at least from mass spells. This is great when the enemy wants to cast mass slow and the couatl goes first.

  • @NaughtyNina1240
    @NaughtyNina1240 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Lexiav, please release a t-shirt saying "Graduate of the Conflux university of magic"

  • @samilauri6993
    @samilauri6993 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Thank you for the tier list Lexiav! Armadillos could find their place in D tier, but they do a decent job of blocking for halflings early game I suppose.

    • @RabianskiT
      @RabianskiT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And the upgraded ones are FASTER than Dwarves for example…

    • @ArgumentumAdHominem
      @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RabianskiT But also fatter. I have found that sometimes combat map obstacles get in the way of moving their one-stacks to protect shooters. Tactics becomes almost necessary

    • @FourthFloorParkour
      @FourthFloorParkour 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ArgumentumAdHominem i actually like that they take 2 spaces, it means you only need 2 to protect your halfings

    • @MrNotBot
      @MrNotBot 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FourthFloorParkour I can't stand them at 4 speed, coupled with wasteland start it makes you so damn slow.

    • @axeleliasson2360
      @axeleliasson2360 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Also dragons seem to love killing them which makes them useful in topes.

  • @tarmo9010
    @tarmo9010 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It is necessary to strengthen the Clints of the Eastwood, remove the melee penalty, or +20hp.
    They are the weakest, but they look cool.

  • @jajafeedyns8082
    @jajafeedyns8082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A Crimson Couatl backed by Eovacius would be devastating. Water Magic, and Fire Magic are also higher in the tier list of secondary skills under Factory.

    • @agbrenv
      @agbrenv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that guy is already pretty insane, let alone if you can get that hero in a Factory tavern

  • @gurjani9544
    @gurjani9544 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Why halfling at B and master gremlin at S?

  • @matone1z
    @matone1z 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Happy birthday! Keep up the good work, your videos make my train rides to university much better

  • @Tygaran
    @Tygaran 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't care if bounty hunters are bad, I love them. Making a one map campaign around them.

  • @gergelyjakovac3063
    @gergelyjakovac3063 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Crimson couatl with clone will be amazing. It is a clone that is guaranteed to survive a turn.

    • @Yuri_Yslin
      @Yuri_Yslin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You need exp water magic to be able to clone tier 7s, mercenaries cannot learn water magic so no Henrietta/Dury for you, Artificers can but they are pretty bad heroes. I guess a cool idea would be to use the frenzy specialist with Crimson Couatls but then again, if you want to cast frenzy on it, you won't need/use clone.

  • @aakazya
    @aakazya 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Olhoi-Horhoi is a Mongolian mythical worm, lives in sands. Kinda like "Duna" creature.

  • @SvenS2
    @SvenS2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree completely with Halfling Grenadiers. I see a lot of people calling them S or even S+ tier, but the reality is, they're not that amazing. Yes, with Henrietta they can pack a punch, but that's hero specific and 20% armor reduction in the early game, while their stack isn't all that big yet, isn't as significant as people think. My pov at least

    • @Yuri_Yslin
      @Yuri_Yslin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Their weekly population is literally twice as powerful (damage wise) as a full pop of Master Gremlins, which Lexiav put in S tier

    • @SvenS2
      @SvenS2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Yuri_Yslin I dug up and it looks like he made that tier list 3 years ago. I don't agree with that pick either, and he should probably remake all of those tier lists. My personal pick for S tier would be Centaurs(high HP and Speed) and Sprites (Great Speed, very good growth)

  • @piotr7805
    @piotr7805 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    09:40 it goes even further than that, you can possibly eat TWO corpses on the same turn, if they lie side by side and attack THREE times in one move. Absolute insanity :D

  • @7218234
    @7218234 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    armadillos have speed 4/6, compared to dwarfs or ents or golems the upgraded stack is much better in my opinion, speed affects movement as you all know so they're a stronger c tier in my opinion.

  • @danielholzner3694
    @danielholzner3694 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the best t1 unit in the game and that dude puts them in B tier,
    they almost outstat centaur chieftains, unubgraded, and are range with permanent positive luck, and they get even better after the upgrade. factory has the best very early game because of them
    and dont even start with boxes, the only way 300 master gremlins beat 140 halfling grenadiers is if you put both stacks in an skeleton converter.

  • @MP-tw4fc
    @MP-tw4fc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nice list, can’t say I really disagree with anything strongly. I really like the factory town. I do wish they would have made the dreadnaught’s dwelling cost mercury or something besides Crystal to make it more of an alternative choice which would force me to use them on maps without crystal.

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is what I thought. There was very even distribution of resources between factions for tier 7 units but there were 2 resources that were under represented slightly. I don't remember which ones.

  • @WedzoneTofu
    @WedzoneTofu 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you put armadillos in D tier i thought i would put them in C just because they roll. I'm glad that you did that eventually, they're so cute and cool, they can afford being useless :D

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Is this ------ a TIER LIST?? OH BOI WE BACK

  • @DoCKathos
    @DoCKathos 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Halfling grenadiers are crazy good for the early game because their average damage goes way up, but just like master gremlins you'll eventually bleed them until they're no longer useful.
    The best feature of the armadillo is that the AI basically ignores them which means they're not going to bleed like the rest of your units will (especially halflings and mechanics) so you end up getting a side stack of them as a result of their mediocrity.
    Bounty hunters are such a weird upgrade. They get almost no stats, unlimited ranged retal which is honestly kind of useless, and a cost increase of 300g per unit? They're not worth upgrading unless you're rich or if you absolutely need them to be at 8 speed. Honestly I would swap their rating around just because its 800g for a T6 that doesn't need to be upgraded.
    One thing about the automatons is their attack skill and damage is actually quite high just because they don't have a minimum damage, but when compared to other t4 units they don't really do anything special to raise them up besides the no enemy retal. No double attack, range, or flying. When I first used them I felt like they were kind of weak and underwhelming, but looking over their stats it almost shouldn't be the case?

    • @ossiejones9174
      @ossiejones9174 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably true about Bounty Hunters, but to be honest you could say the same thing about Cyclop Kings, where effectively all you get for 300g increase is 2 speed.

  • @madssandholdt439
    @madssandholdt439 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy birthday, Lexiu

  • @Darentei
    @Darentei 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Having only just recently experienced HotA, it is somewhat remarkable how much less powerful this faction feels compared to Cove. Granted, I'm a super casual player but other than their shooter units, I've yet to be able to really appreciate Factory. However, it's brand new and will likely see some balance.

    • @ArgumentumAdHominem
      @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Did we think that Cove was strong when it was released? E.g. I did not realize nixes were any good I watched Lexiav.

  • @archangeluriel4922
    @archangeluriel4922 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy Birthday Lexi!!! ❤️

  • @dread-shinobi
    @dread-shinobi 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good tier list. i think factory will be best in Duel when playing a different faction and they end up as the middle town so you can focus on getting boxes of worms and birds.

  • @markoadam6619
    @markoadam6619 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Upg automatons ha no retaliation, not no melee penalty(that's something for archer units). Honestly I feel like you underestimate the halfling grenadiers. Unlike master gremlins they have 24 shots and even higher speed/damage. Halfling grenadiers on Henrietta are amazing taking xp shops graveyards(most of the time they 1 shot 15 zombies) of even consas due to their special ability. They can really make your game going on week 1.(they have the same weakness as marksmen or master gremlins though they are not very good against archer units and moral also can hurt them). They are really at least A tier unit(also this is not only my opinion I also heard the same for other pvp players)

  • @maxmach4361
    @maxmach4361 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mechanics exist only to repair, unless you Bless them, in which case they suddenly do a lot of dmg, assuming they live long enough.

  • @michal4284
    @michal4284 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Du hast - Rammschtein is the song of Krag Hag

  • @jarvee9407
    @jarvee9407 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Halflings in factory is crime against hobbits.

    • @shadowpriest2574
      @shadowpriest2574 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, its rather Odd to have the nature loving beings be a part of the industrial faction. It would have fitted more for them to be part of Conflux or Rampart.

    • @KonfluxGames
      @KonfluxGames 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      It's a Heroes 2 reference, they were in the wasteland there

    • @jarvee9407
      @jarvee9407 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@KonfluxGames yeah, but they are hobbits, and the point of hobbits is being anti industry

    • @zealgaming8161
      @zealgaming8161 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Those are sand halflings. They build their huts out of sand and shit, rather then dirt and shit.

    • @boeingnz
      @boeingnz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Play the campaingn. They were invaded by the inferno.
      In LOTR they were like in pre industrial England. So industrial age would come eventually being after a war in the age of man.

  • @-ShiraZen-
    @-ShiraZen- 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Are Unupgraded T1 Halfings the same stat line as Neutral T1 Halfings?

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think so. They looked the same when I last checked. Even in price and growth.

  • @Ruto251
    @Ruto251 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Happy Birthday!

  • @symmetricasymmetric9154
    @symmetricasymmetric9154 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    HOTA team tried to balance this town too much and because of this some units end up quite disappointing. I followed the development news/ saw creature stats screenshot and a lot has changed from development to release.
    For example: Halflings grenadiers where suppose to have a bomb attack similar to Magogs and Liches. Gunslingers (from a screenshot) where suppose to have 60 HP witch is still the lowest of a tier 6 town unit but still higher than the end product, also their damage range was 20-24, now its 14-24 (same maximum, larger range). Juggernaut had higher stats. 25 att, 30 def, 8 speed, still slow for a tier 7 but with higher stats. Also, I think Armadillos where supposed to be faster but even then they were a filler unit.
    But beside that I like some of their unit, its just that the hype was too high, and for the balance sake they needed to made changes. Hell, Olgoi an CC were rumored to have higher HP. Olgoi could have had the highest tier 5 HP (75 but now is 60), and CC could had 250HP (and 22 att&def).

    • @jakubmalinowski1474
      @jakubmalinowski1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its good hota team decided that olgois have current amount of hitpoints. They are second fastest t5 unit in a game currently and have third highest hitpoint pool from t5s in the game and have really solid damage pool. They have too great stats to be even stronger making them feeling less meta(?) for midgame. T4s are actually kinda viable too, but you have to spend more time on battles which is huge disadvantage.
      Its good armadillos have current amount of speed. Factory heroes are relatively strong and have great talent chances now. I'd be bad if they decide to buff it since starting hero speed is slow just because of them.
      Halfling gren isn't fine just because regular halfling is so strong. The ability is fine though and it was great that they reworked this ability to partially ignoring defense of targets.
      if thats the case about gunslinger it really sucks they nerfed them to the ground.
      About juggernaut im actually fine with current state of them. Since hota released many artefacts that affects morale/luck of opponents' side, they are really good since they are unaffected by such thing. I get it juggernaut is really slow and difficult to be placed higher in current meta. but laser mechanic is pretty nice thing and their speed kinda balances their main strength of being this tanky.
      Although CC being considered as really weak im concerned that they would be too strong if their old stats would stay. 50 HP change is huge in synergy with EoL, -1 a/d is kinda whatever though.

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Halfling grenadiers were supposed to counter gunslingers? They are already very strong, giving them fireball would be too much.

  • @KillmanPit
    @KillmanPit 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd say halfling grenadiers are S tier in pve adventure maps. Have 1k powerstack of them and that final fight against the big bad boss is a breeze.

  • @dabek2303
    @dabek2303 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    factory heroes can't roll into water magic, that's horrible to me because you can't tp dreadnoughts to aoe half of opponent's army with laser

  • @joshuagagnon8387
    @joshuagagnon8387 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YEAHHHHH TIER LIST!!!!!!!

  • @endzor
    @endzor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Хорош! Такого контента (тир листы по хоте) нету!

  • @luces50
    @luces50 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What do you think of the Luna nerf?

  • @thiisnotanex
    @thiisnotanex 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great review as always

  • @d.f.7397
    @d.f.7397 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this video!

  • @martingabriel8945
    @martingabriel8945 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for tier list. Will you make town tier list in duel S?

  • @pauliuskatinas2810
    @pauliuskatinas2810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So unlucky to say " no melee penalty" instead of no retal on sentinel automatons!
    lexiu pls fix

  • @csaros
    @csaros 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You underestimate the power of Automatons.

  • @dourmaster
    @dourmaster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YEEEAAA TIER LIST !!!! POG

  • @simisimoclosed
    @simisimoclosed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Automatons and Juggernaut power stack + mechanics + bounty hunters: everything in the corner and let them come, infinite machine wall while shooting them down.
    Occasionally resurrection on mechanics or hunters that get caught by spells or ranged units and repeat the process.

    • @Kylada-o5t
      @Kylada-o5t 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Arent engineers and mechanics only heal machines once per battle?

    • @simisimoclosed
      @simisimoclosed 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kylada-o5t Doesn't the upgraded one heal each round? God the real questions here lol

  • @adrianmalinowski1073
    @adrianmalinowski1073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just for the rolling armadillos are Stier for me :D

  • @hliang4
    @hliang4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    any synergy for koatls and armmageddon?

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes.

  • @milat9287
    @milat9287 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wouldn't even compare them to Golems or Dwarves. At least they have magic resistance

  • @sclarke6969
    @sclarke6969 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I actually think the bounty hunter upgrade is almost WORSE. Just because they are so much more expensive for so little benefit

    • @shadowpriest2574
      @shadowpriest2574 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They probably should be buffed to 60 hp or so.

    • @darksunDS
      @darksunDS 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think they can be interesting as a solo stack going against any solo-ranged mobs. Imagine breaking stacks of liches with a solo stack of these guys without losing any units.
      They are pretty niche though otherwise, ngl.

    • @MrinfinityLT
      @MrinfinityLT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@darksunDS doesnt work on liches :( but otherwise I do love giving them to side hero to break some ranged guards.

    • @Cecekcz
      @Cecekcz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@darksunDS Against Liches specifically it doesn't actually work. The AI Liches just use the AoE attack and the Bounty Hunters don't pre-emptive shot against that. Same with Magogs. Against any other shooter it works.

    • @darksunDS
      @darksunDS 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Cecekcz well that kinda sucks. I guess the theory still applies to everything else, but magogs and liches tend to be some of the more annoying ranged to deal with. It would've been nice if the AI would have defaulted to direct attack in that specific instance of a single stack.

  • @plamenkisov4609
    @plamenkisov4609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can you make an Jebus Cross guide for the new faction I struglle to figure it out

  • @patrickstar110
    @patrickstar110 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    armadillos' ability to roll when hasted makes them S tier... surely

  • @fergus247
    @fergus247 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With facotry units its hard to tell which unit is the upgraded version

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think I can get used to automatons and Big Robots but Sand worms and Olgois look a lot alike.

    • @Alex_GLIGL
      @Alex_GLIGL 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@karpai5427 don't talk about dendroids... don't talk about dendroids... don't talk about dendroids...

  • @juliuskull
    @juliuskull 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Happy birthday!!

  • @FilmGamerHUN
    @FilmGamerHUN 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great list! Can you do the same with H7 7.5 mod 12 factions? 1.35 update now. 11 creatures per faction.There is a possibility.

  • @bekativus
    @bekativus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    crazy video!

  • @tanmad21
    @tanmad21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lexiavOiled

  • @stassenchr
    @stassenchr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You mentioned Heroes 5. Are any of the later games worth playing? I never moved beyond 3. 2 was way worse than 3, later versions looked rough in comparison to 3 as the battle etc just looked more...fake idk

  • @norbwar6913
    @norbwar6913 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Putting robots on C and B tier have consequences. Now you will be cursed by ABUBU ROBOTS mark my words

  • @FourthFloorParkour
    @FourthFloorParkour 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i feel like the spiders having a set damage is worth a mention

    • @Artel07
      @Artel07 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He did

  • @kubakowalik6598
    @kubakowalik6598 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Automatons detonate deals 70 damage, not 30.
    Crimson Couatl are great for meditation+Frenzy combo, but they are the weakest t7 unit, weaker than Phoenix and much slower too. And without Frenzy they deal incredibly low dmg.
    I hate that Juggernaut can't use Lazer if they move before that. And its extremely easy for player opponent to spread units so only 1 unit gets hit by lazer anyway.
    Halfing bombardiers are surprisingly strong with Elixir of life, i've seen someone almost win finalka with huge Halfing bombadier power stack vs Gluhammer.
    Gunslinger deal most dmg of all ranged units in the game (except Titan), but 2 dmg over cyclops is not worth -25 life/unit... They need HP buff.
    Factory needs a little buff. HP for gunslinger, dmg+speed for Couatl, HP+speed for Juggernaut (and let him use Lazer when moving), and anything for Armadillo.

    • @RabianskiT
      @RabianskiT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With all the buffs you mentioned Factory would be the new (vanilla) Necropolis 😡

    • @jakubmalinowski1474
      @jakubmalinowski1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I do think crimson couatls are winning 1v1 against phoenix on niche cases when slow/haste matters (one side is able to slow phoenix down being slower than them) and on really small pops that phoenix can't raise again.
      AI Value-wise Crimson Couatls are way more mesmerising. They are harder to deal with than Phoenix and even Titans. This unit needs a little tweak in that term definitely. RMGs spawns really lots of them.
      About gunslinger there is also a catch - hes got fairly big damage gap between minimum and maximum damage. Might heroes cannot get water magic, Magic have fairly low chance for that - meaning that their chance for blessing them is relatively low. If opponent got aotd or even expert fire curse, their biggest strength becomes noticably weak. Also on average gunslinger only has 1 dmg more than cyclops (cyclops has 16-20 ~18, gunslinger 14-24 ~19). Not to mention cyclopses are way easier to powerstack only because of pickets being everywhere on most of rmg template maps.
      About Juggernaut here is similar case to Ancient Behemoths and sorta Archdevil - you don't want to fight them on meele distance since this laser ability basically gives no retaliation. Opponents' suffer if has low morale against them. Jugs are unaffected by morale, hits like a truck thanks to their strong minimum and maximum damage and are healthy due to 300 hp. Small buff to speed might be placable, but i wouldn't personally implement that.
      I do claim that factory needs a nerf on tier 1 units, they are guaranteeing way too much tempo day1. Factory can get bless day1 - 3 dmg peak on high pop and high attack SHOOTING tier1 is unbalanced. Furthermore they CANNOT get unlucky! Finding arties that affects luck week1 is pretty common and many people doesn't realise that!
      However numerous speed buffs to uptier2, tier4, tier5 and tier7a and uptier7b are also seemingly required. Factory is the SECOND SLOWEST faction in the early game having access to fastest units for secondary heroes week 1 to light up being speed 7 (up2). You can technically use up5 having speed 10 units, but this is most likely a powerstack and its really unefficient to use them that way besides your main hero. Tier4s are accessible day2 as well as up2, up4 is accessible day3, but you are forced to find mercury for upgrade and for up5 youre not forced to find anything other than wood, stone and some gold. Also for up5 you need to build dwelling for tier3... So many buildings to create early, so little time to enhance secondary heroes' speed.
      Definitely and infinitely I am AGAINST damage buff on couatls! Meditation is such a strong ability. Speed 15 is seemingly low, but Crimson Couatl is seemingly accessible early! Mostly on Jebus/Firewalk Opponent can get Archangel and thats pretty much what is building that is faster than that. Red tower also guarantees speed 15 firebird. Only what I think should be buffed or be changed in this unit is AI Value and/or receive +1 speed to be faster than firebird (making Meditation ability way more significant on the battlefield being defenders' side). I would also remove requirement of Mage guild lvl2 from up. Serpentarium, because this is messing access to this building week1 (up. catacombs is kinda gamechanger and is rather needed to be built).
      About Armadillos... I don't even know what to think. I know this unit sucks a... at basically everything - have no special ability, they have similar stats to royal griffin with lower speed, no fly and no unlimited retaliation. It is just this bad it looses to almost everyone pop-wise besides golems and wraiths. However this is the unit that every town needs - a meatshield for creature banks such as dragonfly hive or dragon utiopia. And they are perfect in that term. They soak up damage greatly due to their high defense. What i wouldn't mind is +1 pop from horde building or +5-10hp for upgraded stack... This unit is horrific, don't get me wrong, but its their fate at the battlefield. Speed buff could be usable for unupgraded unit, but it would affect way too much since its the slowest unit for most heroes in tavern. And its kinda important to keep them that way since many heroes from this faction are really strong. They are similar to dwarves and walking deads, there are some units that its just their fate to be rather worse than better.
      So i think defensive buffs could be more efficient and affect a bit less on balance.

    • @kubakowalik6598
      @kubakowalik6598 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@RabianskiT right now Factory is weak in Duel, most streamers dont want to play it, even though its brand new, so creative, and gives lots of views.
      I think a few buffs are needed for it to be competetive. Like, how can tier6 shooter be almost D tier?

    • @ArgumentumAdHominem
      @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Mostly agree, but not everything
      Juggernaut laser still works with teleport, so that's high investment-high reward. I like it. If they could laser on the same turn, they would be essentially the same as chaos hydra. They may need need extra movement speed or other stats, but design is good IMHO.
      CC is weird. It is somewhat hard to keep alive because of low HP, so the Olgoi-CC build path is doomed to bleed more units than other factions. I agree that they need something extra, not sure what exactly.

    • @kubakowalik6598
      @kubakowalik6598 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ArgumentumAdHominem it almost never will be high reward. If player opponent sees big Juggernaut power stack, he will split his units. They need to improve something. Either lower cost, or higher speed, or more life, something to make Juggernaut worth it in PVP.

  • @patrickschmidt1571
    @patrickschmidt1571 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @НемањаРашевић
    @НемањаРашевић 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    halflings and grenadiers easy S tier!

  • @creatorofowls7508
    @creatorofowls7508 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TIER LIST

  • @pellejger1412
    @pellejger1412 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Armadildos > Gorgon's confirmed!!! ;)

  • @sity119
    @sity119 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can worms eat your own stacks?

    • @ArgumentumAdHominem
      @ArgumentumAdHominem 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes. Watch Lexi's showcase, where he sacks one-stacks to deal double-damage early game

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Can they eat any corpse? Even if it's a robot?

  • @adrianeklowcabramek
    @adrianeklowcabramek 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    halflings, olgois, upg automatons, upg coalts are the only good units. The rest is pretty bad unfortunately

  • @karpai5427
    @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You talk about cool teleport and clone strategies but Mercenaries can't get water magics! Axaxaxaxa😂!!

    • @coldspine2490
      @coldspine2490 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      artificers can!

    • @Yuri_Yslin
      @Yuri_Yslin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@coldspine2490 But artificers are pretty bad heroes sadly

  • @czaro8006
    @czaro8006 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sprawiedliwość dla ROBOTA! 😡

  • @pokermonik
    @pokermonik 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have the 1 2 tier units higher because early in factory is very good thanks to these units, and I would place the gunslinger in the D tier that unit is unplayable, no hp, so expensive, you dont need to build them if you want the coutl, and they are only helpful in imaginary scenarios when all your enemies are shooters... And then you need to only play gunslinger because if not they will shoot your other units. Pure trash

  • @Delfontes
    @Delfontes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You say the upgraded snakes can attack the same turn they devour, that doesn't seem to work for me, you devour and it uses your turn, the next turn you get 2 attacks. So it takes 2 turns to get 2 attacks... The only time I've been able to attack same turn is if I get moral.

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Try attacking on the hex with the corpse instead of just walking to it. It should consume it automaticly and then attack.

    • @Delfontes
      @Delfontes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@karpai5427 I've been clicking the corpse to devour...

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Delfontes Yeah, you should click on enemies instead.

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DelfontesIt turns out you gotta land with their head facing the corpse. It is not very intuitive.
      Sometimes they
      just won't eat.

  • @williamblake7386
    @williamblake7386 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cmon dude, why you're not wearing that gorgeous troglodyte costume anymore?

  • @bartsoneq
    @bartsoneq 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ROBOTY NOT S TIER WTF?

  • @3012mathias
    @3012mathias 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The upgraded sandworms having a strange name is definitely a reference to the Shai-Hulud, the OG sandworms from Dune.

    • @janci1054
      @janci1054 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Nope, it's from a mythical worm in the Gobi desert with the same name

    • @3012mathias
      @3012mathias 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@janci1054 Oh shit, so it is. It seemed like such an obvious Dune reference I didn't even think to look into whether it could even be something else instead xD

  • @west1989abakan
    @west1989abakan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    сможешь хоть один стрим на русском провести?) обожаю твои видосы

  • @Petar120
    @Petar120 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bounty hunters are not balanced at all, you can literally kill 100 titans without taking any damage before your turn even begins...

    • @averagelizard2489
      @averagelizard2489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have no HP.

    • @Petar120
      @Petar120 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averagelizard2489 you can't attack them with range, their health is irrelevant because they shoot first, you either need eferti or pegasus to go there and attack instantly

    • @averagelizard2489
      @averagelizard2489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Petar120 Very easy to spell them down, and even if the opponent doesn't have fast units he can still Haste. They are definitely worse than Cyclops in my opinion because they have much less HP. It depends on the opponent, if the opp has something like Archangels, Black Dragons, or has a high spell power with good spells, they are quite awful in those situations and are very fragile. In other situation, like if you see 90 nagas guarding a good Artifact they are really good in those types of situations, but in terms of fighting against an actual opp, they aren't good in most of those situations. Either they have good spells or fast army. What you didn't mention in the Titan comparison is that Titans will start because have a higher Speed, and they can straight up walk up to them and hit them, basically defeating them in one hit. them before they even get a turn.

    • @Petar120
      @Petar120 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@averagelizard2489 true about titans but that's was an example for just attacking them without hero, bigger problem is if you have black dragons already or archangels you will definitely go for Crimsons because of their skip attack effect, especially if they are cloned

    • @averagelizard2489
      @averagelizard2489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Petar120 You are assuming everything is perfect, but that really is almost never the case. In conclusions in my opinion they are a little below average tier 6 unit.

  • @Tibor0803
    @Tibor0803 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I deeply disappointed in this tierlist, you dude have zero sense of realizing the real potential these unts are capable of.

    • @Yuri_Yslin
      @Yuri_Yslin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      how would you rate those units?

  • @oToXiiCz
    @oToXiiCz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They should add every 2/3 Months a new faction. This would be so nice!

    • @piotrtoborek2442
      @piotrtoborek2442 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe they will... if You work for them for free 18 hours a day 😂

    • @karpai5427
      @karpai5427 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah. Make Forge and some Good faction please.
      There are too many neutrals.

  • @Robina012
    @Robina012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Happy birthday!!!