Things To Do BEFORE Buying A New Machine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2024
- We paid off our DMG Mori! John gives a detailed breakdown and shares some tips on what to do before you buy your next machine.
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Anyone else just impressed to see how far Grismo has come? From garage to sizable building is really cool to see that progress.
Totally
Guess you're not too worried about wearing out the click wheel on the newer machine. It gives me the creeps when I see someone jog the table like that.
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For people who want to get a bigger machine but can't or don't want to move out of their garage, a good way of getting around that is to pour a really thick slab that's like 10 foot by 5 foot up against the garage and after the machine gets delivered spend the next 24 hours building a little extension to your garage.
It solves the weight problem, the vibration/anchoring problem, the height problem. But most importantly it saves you like 500 bucks a month you can spend on tooling, which you are gonna need on a new machine.
Jesus, 5 years, feels like it was only yesterday. :)) Congrats man, paying it off feels really nice.
That's amazing! congrats on been so committed and focused to build your business!
Crazy thats its been over 5 years! Time flies! Thanks for sharing
Great video John... you covered so much that was useful to me.
Endless progress...
Keep up the great work!
Much love from Switzerland
Thanks for sharing numbers. It’s really helpful!
Please look at how much the renishaw parts are BEFORE agreeing to a quote to add them to the machine. They are very easy to install and the machine makers add HUGE markup on them. I added a tool probe like yours, TS27R, for 800$, just needs wiring into a connector in the elec cabinet. Even the OMP sets you can get for around 4K from Renishaw when they want 10K to add it to the machine in the quote.
Those fud ruckers.
Fantastic, super helpful to see someone else's thought process for machine purchases. Thanks for the sprinkling of tips over the video 👍.
Excellent, honest and extremely useful, great vlog, big congratulations to you both, and your families.
Thanks for sharing.
Very impressive! I started watching occasionally years ago when you were in the tiny shop and now you have an amazing DMG and a Kern?! Go forth and do well!!
Do videos on heidenhain control? Good opportunity as no one else makes videos on it
Sounds like a Good idea.
Hopefully John reads your comment ?
Great video, very interesting knowledge you are giving out. Way to teach everyone, especially your own staff, very cool 👊
I have been listening too John Saunders and your podcast for the past year. It has helped me alot as being a beginner in CNC Machining. I appericate all the guidance and information shared! Great video John, thanks for all the helpful information on buying a machine. Its really cool to see how far you came in the past five years. Keep up the good work, and look forward too seeing more cool videos in the near future! Thanks again sir!
The shop I work for has been mixing big plus and normal tool holders for 10 years with no issues. We just make sure that the spindle face and stays clean. Through spindle air blast during tool changes definitely helps.
I just came across you and your videos a week ago i cant stop watching. Really enjoy machining myself its good to see people have the same pashion as me. Hope i can start something like you have with our passion.
Welcome aboard!
That was one of the best machining vids I have watched! There wasn't any machining done but so informative.
I, myself was was looking into buying a new 4 axis lathe (finance was declined.. sad) and there is SO much to it! It is very intimidating. The fear of having to make enough income to make the repayments and to support a family was scary!
Salute to you John. Well done.
Brother Speedio s700x2 and a trotec speedy 360 coming into my garage in a month lol its terrifying for sure, but im confident. I pushed the shit out of my Tormach 770m the last 2 years and I am making the last payment next week and its mine! Great feeling! I doubled my sales 2 years in a row with it, built up my credit score, hired my buddy, and made tons of parts, but after the first 6 months I haven't been able to get ahead, and need to step up big to meet demand. Congrats paying off the Mori! You Are about 5 years ahead of me so its been awesome to watch and visibly see where I want to be in 5 years. Keep crushing it man! Im picking up a Norseman to reward myself if I hit all my goals this year and so far its looking like I will, super stoked!
Congratulations John! Been watching since b4 you bought it, has it been 5 years. 6 figure purchase paid for, now get moving on your 7 figure purchase & get that big red machine going...😁
Cool John, I have signed up at Academy of CNC to learn fixturing, and all though it's a simple mom and pop shop, and at age 68+, I stumble at setting up parts that clamps always seem to end up in the cutting path. Hoping Titan will give us a tour of they new facility here in Tx
Great video! Time to binge your whole channel lol
Very cool story of passion, drive, vision, mechanical aptitude, and a dose of risk taking. Dig it. Success ==> earned. Great video.
This was incredibly insightful and helpful. Thanks for sharing your thoughts John... We are getting to a point where I think we are going to outgrow the tormachs soon... The scary part for me is not the machine investment but the investment in real estate to house the machine... I guess we need to trust the projections I've put together and just jump. Been looking at the VF2 SS thinking that I could potentially scale to multiple machines and have a consistent and fairly inexpensive path. I really like the thought of the machines running at night and parts, tools, shipping, prototyping and cleanup happening during the day... Let the robots work when you're not there.
Absolutely, automation is the way to go. Matsuura has the same thought process as well.
Loved this video! Thoroughly enjoyed the info shared. Well worth the time watching it!! Thank you. :) Is there another vid explaining the detent balls? I was getting very curious as to why you put those in 5 min into the run.....and then the vid was over. lol -Mike
They get pressed into the lockbar of the frame because they act as a detent to keep the blade inside the frame when closed. He does it by putting the balls in and then the mill pushes them in with a flat drill to the perfect heigth. He has a video on it.
@@hampfi747 Ahhh......awesome explanation. I understand. I wish I had time to catch all of John's vids. lol Thank you!!! :)
Great video John! Can you make one that explains your decision on the Kern?
You are one big inspiration Mr grimsmo 💪 greets from little Germany
You should lock at a Brankamp Collision Monitoring System especially for the Kern.
Loved it! More pleaseee... Ciao, Marco.
That’s actually less than what I would have guessed a kitted out Mori would cost, sounds like you did get a good deal!
Nice... august 27th is my birthday. Love your tips!
John, you can just tee into your existing coolant pump for the thru spindle. We have 8 mazak verticals set up this way. Even with the standard pressure pump it works well
Yep, no need for an additional pump.
You two Johns have got some great timing!
wow, you are like the grimsmo of PCs, didn't expect you here
@@sammiller5509 right!? Lol
@@sammiller5509 Haha I've been following both of them since the Tormach days, from before I joined Bit.
Wow, blast from the past!
And these guys have a hot, $1000USD product that sells out as soon as it's released.
i remember your video on the tormach where you got the 4th axis and never put it on the machine
Nice stuff, should get a Freddy vacuum for getting those chips out of the sump.
cat40 is very rare in england as we use BT40, the only diffrent is the pullstud is metric and a diffrent flange for the tool change
Wow I can't believe I been watching since the tormach days
Should have a differencial pressure gauge on the filter. Read the pressure drop directly
You can also hold down the chip conveyor stop button until it blinks to disable while you empty the chip hopper, works just like the coolant. Have you asked your salesman about Mori-Messenger? You can use it to check the status of your machine remotely, from your phone. Know right away if a tool broke.
Awesome video! really enjoyed this one! Just one question: why exactly do you run the pallet probing macro at the beginning, why not switch to a zero point clamping system? With all you said about zero point clamping during the video, why still use the vises here?
A door interlock only breaking once in 5 years is amazing to me. We break them so often in my shop we keep extras in stock.
Thanks for Sharing @JohnGrimsmo
18:38 I would highly recommend hydraulic or shrink fit holders for your tiny endmills. The runout on an ER collet can be fairly significant, especially with prolonged or rough use. I've seen some beat up ERs have .005" runout. That might not matter on a 3/4" roughing endmill, but can be huge on a .093" finisher.
Shrink fit or Rego-Fix powRgrip type holders require an investment in support hardware, so I'd personally go with hydraulic for your application. As a bonus, changing out broken tools is faster with hydraulic than any of the others including ER.
YES, Shrink fit is AMAZING!
Lighting inside the machine is important. Reading an indicator inside your Mori must be annoying at times with all of those shadows. We changed the halogen lights out on our VM3 at work for sealed Banner LED fixtures. Night and day difference.
vielen dank für deine informationen, auch wenn ich nie solch eine maschine besitzen werde war es super interessant! ich habe viel respekt vor leuten wie euch! und viel erfolg weiterhin :-)!!!
Can we get a video on all those cordless drill you have laying around the shop ;)
21:46 A 500$ chunky coollant filter, that looks pretty decent and does a great job.
On the other hand, a 400$ door switch, and a 1000$ 3 color light. Come on... those part sellers should have some decency sometime.
And I thought the ink cartridge business was a scam....
Great video as always, thanks!
I just got a new Haas Mini Mill and the rigger hit me with an $1800 bill for about an hour of getting it into my home garage. The Haas tech nailed the install but I haven’t gotten that bill yet! But at least they broke my garage door.
Wooo finally
Omg I miss knife making tuesdays :(
Good on the Kern. Green means Off/"safe" and red is On/"dangerous". Amber is alert/caution/warning whatever. Doesn't follow the rules-of-the-road, Green Go/Red Stop/Yellow Go Faster. Equip mfg'ers are coming around, slowly.
very nice ...
Hey John, did you notice the loose screw in the conveyor @15:02-15:04... something about to fall off??
Have you tried Pierson workholding?
Rubbermaid Brute garbage cans with the dolly underneath for your chip conveyor dump ;)
Nothing beats cutting the plastic on a new machine delivery.
Haas is probably cheaper on renishaw because of bulk quantity like you said. It's amazing how many machines they pump out every year. The vf series is the honda civic of the machine world. And that is definitely not a bad thing.
Just wonderiing, what are the production numbers of haas for e.g. the minimill or the vf2? is it like 5k machines a year, maybe 10?
@@TeslaAtoms I'm not sure on numbers. I just know that they crank machines out. Check out there youtube page. Specifically the factory tour videos. They give some numbers there and to see the amount of material that comes in and out every week is absolutely amazing. I think they put out a couple hundred machines every week or something ridiculous like that. So 200x52 would probably get you close to there yearly production of all machines
@@TeslaAtoms did a quick look. In 2018 they planned on selling 15,500 machines for the year across all there mill and lathe lines. Over a billion in sales.
@@mwww2589 thanks for looking that up! amazing numbers indeed. all machines coming out of oxnard, right?
@@TeslaAtoms i do believe Oxnard is the only factory producing machines. Even though its like the size of a whole business development. Lol.
Have you thought of adding extra copies of tools that break more often and have the machine fetch a backup if a tool breaks?
They're probably doing that but the machine needs to wait anyway as someone needs to make sure that parts of the old cutter aren't stuck somewhere and going to destroy the following tools.
You should be able to turn your door interlock off in your settings.
can you recommend a mobile stainless tig welder in the GTA area?
might ask DMG but im pretty sure the spindle has a duty cycle and your only supposed to run 12k 40% of the time
I'm realy confused why u added these filters to the kern, shouldn't the paperband filter do the same thing already?
The financing, was it secured to your person or your business? Was the machine the only collateral?
I have found failure of door interlock switch is caused by slamming the door, it will damage the cam on the switch caused by rebound of the door.
Is that a Mitsubishi Control on the DMG Mori?
How much would I have to pay one of you guys to get one of those hoodies John is wearing?
Couldn’t you write a sub program or call out the same sub routine that the APF button does?
do you still use your Kaeser compressor
hello
you only do knives or do you other parts?
Can we hear about the kern and how that machine would effect a machine shop financially?
I can't get over how much the renishaw cost you. It would be worth buying a haas just for the probe, and then sell the machine but put the probe on the Mori.
I'm curious to hear what the legal loophole is surrounding the lease and the $1 buyout could you explain?
At least in my country it would be because of tax write-off. If I buy a machine I can write off a percentage of it every year for a specific period of time. But if I lease it instead I write off the leasing costs directly. In this case here the write off period for buying would probably be ten years, with the lease it could be shortened to five. In the end it would not save me taxes overall but earlier on.
the rebate on it was of the value of all the option you didn't needed ? xD
I MADE A DUPLCATE KET FOR MINE
All that and then no plug in that unused coolant line?
10:46 we have 60 and its not enough lmao
I do wonder if you miss the old garage days as you've gotten larger and more removed from the machines.
I bet he does, but I also think he's loving it now because he has many more machines and tools some of which are ultra precise like the Kern and Tornos, that make production more easy for him. Him removing himself from other machines is just learning how to trust his employees and know how and when to compartmentalize processes.
I'm surprised there aren't smartphone alarms for tools breaking like that. Then again, i'm not sure syncing such an expensive machine into the Internet is a wise move. I wouldn't even trust a smart toaster!
We need to build you a solution that takes the input from the breakage detector and sends a notification to your phone when it detects a failure..
As a Haas TM3P owner the spindle sounds like it'll shake apart at 10k. It's very noisy.
I was debating of buying one of those.
@@Sicktrickintuner don't get me wrong I love the machine and it's about the biggest thing you can run on single phase power. And a low financial barrier to entry, $65k almost fully loaded. It fills the gap if you're just getting into manufacturing and know the Tormach is too small to start with and the Mori are just way too much for your needs. It'll be reliable and make you plenty of money.
The TM 3P has lots of travel and it's definitely not a toy -- it's a huge upgrade over Tormach. But as John has shown, you can start a viable business with Tormach equipment. Get what you can and learn how to make it work. You'll know when you need to upgrade.
@@rgetso
True, I have also looked at used machines that have about 23K spindle hrs
All that to make six pocket knives in a ten hour shift. OH well, I guess that beats doing it by hand.
That "BIG PLUS" is actually a BT40 holder. The smaller one is a CAT40 holder. They both use the same taper, but that collar is different. BT40 is the standard everywhere in the world except north america, where CAT is the standard. It's funny that they claim that as a special feature when it's standard everywhere else in the world.
Also, those are some _really_ expensive (but super fancy) knives you sell! I paid less for my VMC than 2 of your knives (ok, it is old, was broken, I spent a couple hundred to fix it, and it's dirty - you can buy a lot of cleaner and shop towels for $100)
M88 on facemill mate ( at least that's what haas use)
Do it
I did it and love it
Hate when I can't
If the mori is 130ish, how much is the kern?
In the begining of his kern series during quarantine, he hinted it was around a million , if I didn't missunderstood.
36:00 Aren't there 3-Phase Plugs for this?
Like those: www.reichelt.de/5-poliger-cee-stecker-400v-32a-rot-cee-stecker-2-32-p29106.html
They don't use commando plugs in North America
They do make them, they are something like a 14L-30
10:40 the only gross part you are aware of ;D
If you get a high pressure pump, make sure it has chiller. Thank me later.
Replacement signal lights from china are ~40$... US/European prices of these are bs
I've seen videos where people buy them in china.
But can you actually just plug them into a machine?
Like is there soldering or do you have to be proficient in reading electrical schematics?
@@kkknotcoolpinout can be different.
I guess crimping new connectors/soldering is better than paying 700$ more for the proper one
I guess you mean the video from strange part's
@@alexanderr6106 I'm not worried about the cost of labor in figuring out how to get it working. (even if you are worth $75/hr there is no way it's taking 10 hours)
I would be worried I'd do something wrong and fry the board, God only knows how much that would cost.
@@kkknotcool it's a common ground and a + for each led. It runs on 24v so not too much potential to fuck it up.
I feel your point tho.
Any chance you could upload your videos to Rumble or Bitchute? I've been a big fan for a long time, but I'm trying to avoid using TH-cam as much as I can these days. I'm not a fan of the whole cancel culture thing.... You can still earn revenue from Ads on those sites as well from what I understand, although probably not as much as TH-cam...
The cancel culture thing has soured me on TH-cam, too. The transition to other platforms will unfortunately be slow.
I definitely agree. But TH-cam is still a much smoother app to use sadly.
Thumbs up for coolant off button
First thing is to convince someone to buy $1000 pocket knife!
i guess it's more of a status symbol. a knife is a tool, same as a car, yet some people still spend 200k+ on one car, so here it shouldn't be too different. besides, unless he inherrited a lot or has some other buisnesses and investments we don't know about, they are selling, and not just one here and there, but large enough quantities.
So in the end you are left with you standing there with your balls in your hand. 😆🤦
2ND!
All that equipment and ya still can’t buy a grimsmo product.
The camera is making me motion sick. Literally. Stop with the jerky moves and snap zooms.