Is a Dot on a Carry Gun A Good Idea?

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  • @gbgunsmedia
    @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Please read this before carrying a dot: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/pistol-red-dot-considerations

  • @RenzinatorStrength1961
    @RenzinatorStrength1961 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I don't think so, and I'm tired of everyone thinking they need a dot on their pistols.

    • @deathvoxkc
      @deathvoxkc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Facts

  • @oldcop18
    @oldcop18 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve been in a gunfight, albeit in ‘74 w/my issued revolver, and things went down so fast there was no time for sights. Also, it was dark and back then no night sights. In retirement the EDC is either an older LCP or J Frame revolver but w/o a red dot.

  • @mauricehardy5012
    @mauricehardy5012 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Your gun your choice period

  • @jimchambers7548
    @jimchambers7548 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    With iron sights I can hit about as far as I can see. And if I can't see it I don't need to shoot it. I have 1 on a 22 for plinking only. But my life doesn't depend on it. Glad your bringing this up, most guys just say its a must have now.

  • @OL-Tom
    @OL-Tom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have a dot on my EDC. Sig P365xl. Unfortunately adding the dot required the removal of the rear sight. I did mount it with better screws than came with the Holosun EPS Carry.
    I've never experienced a problem with any of the 5 guns I have with RDS, 4 are a direct mount which I feel is better than needing a adapter plate for mounting.

  • @charlesbeall2589
    @charlesbeall2589 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I tried a dot on my F-Series but it just made it tougher to conceal.

  • @sumdude294
    @sumdude294 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it's in the mind of the practitioner. You're obviously well versed in iron sights but familiar with electronics enough to default to iron in the moment of failure. Which is why everyone needs to CONTINUOUSLY PRACTICE!!

  • @richdubbya
    @richdubbya 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm a firm believer of "Keep it Simple, Stupid." Nuff said. ;-)

  • @Maelstrom8
    @Maelstrom8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I prefer irons on pistols. I've seen so many guys insist that they don't need backup irons because "it isn't 2010 anymore". I hope this video gives them something to think on. In a defensive scenario, you don't get time for a mulligan. Learn your irons. If you want a dot, fine. But keep backup irons on all serious use firearms. Your family will thank you in the event that you need to use them.

  • @sleigh4019
    @sleigh4019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well I have never had a issue so maybe its the guy installing them? Maybe

  • @AMXSShirt
    @AMXSShirt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I tried one on my Buckmark. Glad I did. Not for me. Cataracts developing, just not comfortable with it. I’ll keep it on the browning for range fun.

  • @siestatime4638
    @siestatime4638 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As my eyes get older, a dot becomes more advantageous. However, Murphy's Law is a thing. My corollary: The more parts there are, the more parts there are to break. A red dot is another failure point.
    I use (AND TRAIN!) with both irons and dots. That probably means I'm not quite as competent as I could be with either, but at least I'm comfortable with both.

  • @keithkent8126
    @keithkent8126 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I believe it depends on the person, if they have vision issues and the front sight is blurry! Simple logic in my opinion. K

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There are also larger and brighter front sight options

    • @keithkent8126
      @keithkent8126 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gbgunsmedia Yes Graham 👍positive energy and though, focus placed on bigger front sight, it works for me ! You on it today ! K

  • @MarvinTurner-oc4ml
    @MarvinTurner-oc4ml 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm an Old Pharte and have been shooting for 54 years using iron sights only on handguns and irons or scopes on long guns. I have a dot on one of my pistols, a Tisas PX-9 Nightstalker. I really do like that particular dot ( Cyelee Wolf 2-G ) on that particular gun, and it has taught me that maybe there is a good reason for the "dot craze" currently in fashion. I still prefer iron sights, especially on my CCW handguns. I don't ( and won't ) shoot in competitions. My health precludes that activity because I just cannot move fast enough to be acceptable, much less competitive 😳. Adding a dot to a defensive gun is just adding another potential failure point to a device that cannot fail if you want to emerge intact from a defensive encounter. Good video!

    • @roel.vinckens
      @roel.vinckens 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good comment.

  • @GB-zi6qr
    @GB-zi6qr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Practice, practice, practice...be very critical of yourself during practice. What's to practice? Trigger drill, sight alignment/ sight picture, trigger discipline.
    When you're done with your primary hand, switch to your secondary hand.
    Can you line up your sights with your eyes closed? This is learning "Natural Point of Aim".
    Are you cross dominant, right handed and left eye dominant or vice versa.
    How smooth is your draw? How smoothly can you holster?
    When you draw, do you automatically put your finger on the trigger?
    All of these things do not require ammo.
    However, when you practice these things, your range trip could go a lot better.

  • @guardianminifarm8005
    @guardianminifarm8005 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great lesson. Many thanks.

  • @siperstein
    @siperstein 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that either a red dot or iron sights are appropriate for carry because they participate in the method to connect point of aim and point of impact. I think that for home defense or for a encounter within 7 yards a laser attached to the gun is probably more effective and faster in acquiring a target than either iron sight or red dot

  • @roberth7580
    @roberth7580 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Excellent thoughts, thank you. Good luck with the impending tsunami of vitriolic “expert“ responses.

  • @propdoctor21564
    @propdoctor21564 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent video full of good information lots of people may not realize... I have no interest in having optics on pistols, only rifles... I have always thought it was not the best idea to subject a optic to the forces of a slide slamming back and forth.... To me an optic is for longer distance precision shooting not up close and personal self-defense distances...

  • @drewcifer2a
    @drewcifer2a 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i carry the 365xl with a dot with back up irons beside the possibility of what you had happen ive noticed a couple other problems reasons why i might go back to irons only mostly lint , dirt, liquid getting on the dot lenses.

  • @deathvoxkc
    @deathvoxkc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Red dots on pistols offer a potential marginal accuracy benefit at the cost of increased cost, maintenance, failure points, and things like offset holdovers. Unless you have mastered the draw, presentation, grip, trigger manipulation, and sight tracking through recoil, you wont get the benefit a red dot offers anyway. Its like arguing if a hitter should use batting gloves or not.

  • @keithkent8126
    @keithkent8126 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ever dot is prone to failures, point and shoot at short distances. Dot are here to stay for sure . And yes Graham you spot on irons effectively used if you can see them .

  • @mikeburklin2675
    @mikeburklin2675 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like red dots, but always insist on a set of irons as well for that purpose. Your video showed that well. It is really up to each individual and training time with both. Thanks for another great video and getting the Ole brain thinking. 👍❤️🤍💙

  • @BLACKWOLF-1911
    @BLACKWOLF-1911 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At typical self defense distances no. It's probably going to be a sight less point and shoot. Most people when asked don't remember seeing the sights or hearing the shots or how many they even fired.

  • @LVbibby
    @LVbibby 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good info and perspective thanks.

  • @invictawarrior
    @invictawarrior 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree that when you have a situation defensively and you absoutely have to and must deliver shots on target you can't depend on the batteries, mount or that the dot holds it's zero. Some of this can be said of iron sights but the idea is to minimumize potential points of possible failure.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @invictawarrior absolutely. I wasn't advocating for replacement of irons, the topic was "what's the next trend"?

    • @invictawarrior
      @invictawarrior 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gbgunsmedia Yeah, but I thought you strayed just a little bit. So I went with it. Always enjoy your channel.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @invictawarrior videos like this are meant to spark discussion, so I let things flow

  • @lizzapaolia959
    @lizzapaolia959 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video of yours. Red dot sights need the owner to train with the red dot as well as the back up sights. The red dots need to have the lens cleaned frequently. Sight wash out due to natural sunlight or other bright light washing out the red dot making it useless. There's a reason many in law enforcement don't use red dots on their pistol.
    It's a fad, a new toy for some. Others who will never train with and have a red dot failure when the pistol is needed.
    Unfortunately red dots have become a huge money maker for companies. They never mention the training required to proficient.
    Lint on a red dot lens is going to be a huge problem as well as the average CCW owner shooting 50 or less rounds under ideal circumstances thinking it's a game changer.
    Great video of yours as always. These are some of the issues LE are having with red dots.
    Failure to work, lens washout, dirty lens, failure to train with red dot and back up sights. It's really a safety issue but politics and fads trump discipline and dedication to perfection.
    Thanks again for your outstanding videos 😎 🙏

  • @hondasaurusrex6998
    @hondasaurusrex6998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mega thumbs up on your video! One thing... you didn't say if the red dot survived the ejection from the slide. Anyway.... I have a red dot on a P365 380 - range toy, well... my wife's range toy. Not a problem with it, stays on, stays true. Had a Hex Dragonfly on my XDM, screws were always coming loose, were threadlock applied and torqued to spec. Just tired of them coming lose after every range trip. Red dot ended up on my Roger 10/22 were it's happy and snugged as a bug with no lose screws😊.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hondasaurusrex6998 the dot survived!

    • @hondasaurusrex6998
      @hondasaurusrex6998 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gbgunsmedia stick it on something in 22lr caliber. Thanks for the reply!!!

  • @brianc0019
    @brianc0019 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yep, in a defensive situation - you'll react and really focus on a dot. Proven and Facts.

  • @yut2bibble
    @yut2bibble 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It seems to be generally acknowledged that an optic increases accuracy and adds additional points of failure. I agree entirely with that premise. The decision on whether to use an optic comes down to balancing the pros and cons.
    I also agree that an optic with backup irons is often the optimal setup. I would add that my understanding is that most defensive encounters are at point and shoot distances where all sighting systems have minimal impact.
    I come down on the affirmative on using optics on my carry guns, for the following reasons.
    I do a bowling pin match at my club every week. I find this to be excellent defensive shooting practice because it requires rapid first target acquisition and fast transitions at short distance. The irons shooters are uniformly slower than the optics shooters. There is even a similar decrease in speed when the same shooter moves from an optic to irons.
    With an optic putting the sight on the same focal plane as the target, I see the target and immediate surroundings much more clearly and precisely. A mistake in a defensive crisis is unacceptable.
    Not universally applicable, but very important to me and many others, the optic makes it much easier to manipulate the slide. I happen to have arthritis that impairs my pinch grip, so the optic completely transforms my ability to clear malfunctions. I teach newer shooters and many have great difficulty racking the slide, particularly on a small carry gun.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yut2bibble and let's not also forget:Pin shoots are fun!

  • @joshuacassada8264
    @joshuacassada8264 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just changed my edc to a shield plus with no dot. I like dots on my range toys but I'm not using one on a carry gun.

  • @drcksl8583
    @drcksl8583 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn’t see info on the dot or mounts/plates. I’ve had tens of thousands of rounds with RDS pistols. Half direct mount and half with MOS. I would say I’ve tested for myself.

  • @jhauser203
    @jhauser203 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As with all things, if it can go wrong, it probably will. Or as a computer pro once told me, everything has a mean time to failure.

  • @lizzapaolia959
    @lizzapaolia959 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I, apologize too you we forgot to wish you and Toya a great weekend 😎. Thanks again for sharing your outstanding videos 🙏
    Great information and your honesty is commendable.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lizzapaolia959 thank you

  • @fattigla
    @fattigla 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been using an optic on two carry pistols for about a year and a half now. I don't do long, high round count range sessions, but I do shoot at least twice/per month with both pistols, and have a daily dry fire practice regimen. I witness marked my screws when I installed the optics, and have no issues with optics coming off. Is that because I'm not shooting enough? Maybe. I know I shoot far more than most of the local people in my area. I will not carry an optic equipped pistol without backup sights that are directly mounted to the slide, not the optic plate. I wouldn't try to convince someone to carry with an optic or irons. There are advantages to both, and disadvantages to both. For me the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Whe. Someone asks me, I try to give my experience, good and bad.

  • @justanothergunnerd8128
    @justanothergunnerd8128 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel the exact same way - and Larry Vickers and Ken Hackathorn also have a very similar opinion... Dots are awesome for longer range, competition or one-way range use. They have many possible failure points due it being clamped onto a violently moving metal chunk - iron sights have far less failure possibilities. Also it takes a decent amount of training to get good at finding the dot quickly, whereas your front sight is (in theory) never not visible due to how you are holding the pistol. People who don't seriously train every week or two, probably shouldn't be carrying a dot on a pistol. Yes iron sights take training too and slightly more complicated to acquire accurately, but they basically never fail. Maybe when pistol dots improve their circuitry, durability and mounting solutions - they will rule, but that's gonna be a while. And they will never fully dominate the concealed carry market. Why make your ultra sleek, concealable carry piece bigger than it needs to be - not a great option all the time for all folks. (edited for spelling and grammar)

    • @justanothergunnerd8128
      @justanothergunnerd8128 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh and also, under severe stress all things change - that easy to acquire dot at the range might get real weird real quick if you can't find it. Also - most home defense and bodily defense scenarios are basically at bad breath distance or max maybe 10 yards. If that distance was 25 yards - ok the dot wins, but not in real life usually.

  • @ratagris21
    @ratagris21 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good way for you to watch you money fly away when you need it most. Good presentation. ♠️🎩🇺🇸🏹

    • @ratagris21
      @ratagris21 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'd rather go with a high visibility front sight with night sight capability for good measure.

  • @gloriamaletta8667
    @gloriamaletta8667 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a Swampfox Kingslayer green dot 1×22 on my Tisas PX9 gen3 Duty and l have to say l really like it but not a real big fan of optics on a carry gun and anything with less than a 4 inch barrel l carry mostly micro 9s they all have a 3.1 - 3.4 barrel much prefer a night sight with a bright orange or green outline around the trituim insert for a carry gun but enjoy the Swampfox Kingslayer green Dot at the range the stock Tisas PX9 gen3 front night sight 1/3 co witness with the optics and are pretty nice for a gun that costs a tick over 300 dollars you won't find many guns costing 100s more with sights as nice as the Tisas PX9 Nightstalker model has

  • @dwightsayer4976
    @dwightsayer4976 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Self Defense Carry Guns don't need a dot!

  • @kennethpruitt8534
    @kennethpruitt8534 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've watched your videos and seen the problems you have had with DOTs. Frankly, all of the issues appeared to be caused by outside issues and not by anything caused by you. I too have a Bull TAC 4.25 that came with a Holosun dot. that sits in my dresser except for a couple times a month when I take it for practice. I'm beginning to think dot failures may not be as rare as we've been to believe as just the other day mine quit for apparently no reason. With my experiences and the ones you've had I would no longer consider a gun with a dot mounted on it unless I can co-witness. BTW, I'm not quite as good without the dot but more than good enough for home defense because I do practice regularly.

  • @Logan2070
    @Logan2070 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have one dot and I'm more accurate with it but slower out of the holster and finding the dot. But I'm faster and still on target with irons. So for me I'm not going to spend the money on outfitting the rest of my pistols.

  • @johnlabree6286
    @johnlabree6286 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    100% agree

  • @ScottSmith-xy3jk
    @ScottSmith-xy3jk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't trust the battery in my watch. For self defense, I definitely don't trust a watch battery.

  • @ghost2690
    @ghost2690 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Red dots are a fade!

  • @dylanunderpar
    @dylanunderpar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not necessary! Eventually they will go down stream with the laser & comp trend…I hope they keep adapting frames to be modular and/or able to switch calibers. We need a resurgence of lesser used calibers, we’ve had enough 9’s to last a lifetime

  • @user-tm8tm6qf2c
    @user-tm8tm6qf2c 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How many rounds had you shot with that red dot at the point of failure. I would be my money on poor quality screws.

  • @GreyShooter
    @GreyShooter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's why I wouldn't have a dot on a carry gun. Seen more than one fail and fly away. Sometimes it beans you in the noggin.

  • @gulkash1188
    @gulkash1188 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nicely done. You're officially cursed XD.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And each failure was unique, with a different dot and different gun. I'm starting to understand what MAC must feel like.

  • @johndecker9983
    @johndecker9983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm of the age where I've seen trends come and go. Some stay. Some go. I'm only 47. But relative to the age of concealed carry, I've been doing it since before anyone even talked about the nuances. That being said, I've been carrying the same 2 types of firearms this entire time. Never needed either in civilian life, but feel completely confident in my ability with them should the need arise. Training allows you to rely less on the gadgets. Like the way you continued the string of fire, after your gadget decided to eject itself, you stated in the fight because of your Training. NO gadget or doodad can replace that. It's laughable to think otherwise. Just my 2 cents. Great video as always 👌

    • @johndecker9983
      @johndecker9983 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Stayed in the fight, I meant to say

  • @hopewilliams6705
    @hopewilliams6705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dang

  • @ggrandcz
    @ggrandcz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny to wave around with "carry" gun without firing pin block and be soo serious about red dot. If you are worried about red dot and not about carrying not drop safe gun, your priorities are wrong.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you seen a BUL Armory go off when dropped? You must have been offended by my factual experience since you went off topic.

    • @ggrandcz
      @ggrandcz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gbgunsmedia Yes, I have SASII. And I am not offended, my Holosun 407k lost zero when the lens started to move out of red dot body.

  • @randomposter8964
    @randomposter8964 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No 7 we’ll aren’t you lucky!

  • @rbm6184
    @rbm6184 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is a Dot on a Carry Gun A Good Idea?
    No.

  • @dannydowell9979
    @dannydowell9979 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It is if you need reader cheater glasses!

  • @henryschmidt636
    @henryschmidt636 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't want to see dot content. I want to see content on the firearm itself. It's quality, workmanship, ability and value without a tiny t.v. sitting on top.

    • @gbgunsmedia
      @gbgunsmedia  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As I'm sure you've seen, I don't modify firearms for review. The only times I've reviewed a pistol with a dot on it have either been because the pistol came with a dot or because I've already reviewed the gun in full and am doing a follow up.