I am totally amazed at how calm and analytical you are in this video. Definitely a tragedy. I know stuff breaks, but seeing this scares the hell out me!
My question is can the weld repair be done with the engine in the car or is it better to remove the engine so the parts can be cleaned properly and welded in???? MIG or TIG will be a factor also.
Thanks for the update. Glad you did not get hurt. Getting the parts welded, whether MIG or TIG will be tricky with the motor in. The parts must be extremely clean to get good penetration and strength. Looking forward for more of the repair on Donny
Things happen and it goes to show even the smallest part failure can cause damage to other components. You were pretty lucky and count your blessings. Those of us that work on our own stuff have to have the skills and know how to make good solid repairs when needed. I love that you do your own wrenching and show it on your channel.
Just your luck!! Took it with stride and got a pretty informative video from the carnage 💪🏼 Nothing but good things to say about the QA1 CF driveshaft with 900whp and aggressive road course/track driving. Definitely gives some peace of mind having it as a fuse vs having it tear anything else apart.
Hey Alex take a look at the aluminum motor mounts that are bolted to the block make sure those are ok. They probably are but might be a good idea to make sure
Mmr makes some braces that go from oil pan to the lower shield bolts on trans. Adds two more bellhousing bolts. I’ve welded ears back on with the braces and it work good
I believe all of the mounting points for the starter are on the bell housing. I mocked up my starter on my 6R80 a while ago to see how it mounted up. All of the mounting holes can be seen in the shim plate. I'd still weld all of those pieces back on anyway.
I'm sorry you had this bad luck Alex. This really sucks. Maybe take off the flex plate just to make sure there's no other damage - the welder will probably want it off too. Keeping my fingers crossed that the repair cost is as low as possible.
The driveshaft looks like there’s no room to compress in that expansion part. So if the driveshaft couldn’t compress, if you hit a bump, suspension compress, weight from the force of the car going down could have damaged the u joint. Could have crushed the bearings and the centrifugal force fling the cap off, vibration, and then just how you described that violent vibration causing the carnage.
Those bottom bolt holes that broke off are just for the transmission. The three starter bolts all go in to the trans bell housing. That broken ear below the starter won’t cause any issues with the starter. Starter centers on that steel spacer plate and bolts to the trans. Still sketchy, but you should be good to stick a new trans in it and roll on.
Subscribed, highly enjoy your videos and your projects. I own a 2010 ZR1 myself and also a 2024 RCSB 4x4 with a coyote and I can’t wait to see you do the swap on yours lol. Also, if I push my own cars around will I get calves like yours? Asking for a friend.
The bottom ear on the right cylinder 1-4 side is also for the transmission. I’m about to put a Carbo driveshaft in my swapped 69 for the same reason you just said. I’d much rather the driveshaft explode rather than come through the floor.
Odd failure, idk your setup but it would be a good idea while you’re under there to check your driveline angles with the suspension loaded to make sure you’re not maxing out the u-joints
Tbh it looks like the engine and transmission werent lined up right which caused the drive shaft to fail. I usually grease the dowels and get the rust off so it slides in easily and support the front of the engine so it tilts up so the transmission can slide easily.
Thank you very much for all the content and information that you give in your videos. I always thought too myself that you never see anything adverse happen to these guys. Well, now I know that it's not just me that shit happens to. 😂
When this happened to my gen 3 motor, welders told me that there was a risk of the engine cracking more as it cools. Cast aluminum is difficult to weld apparently.
Said fuck it and ran it with the same cracked trans after I got the new clutch on and aside from it vibrating hard between 2750 rpm’s to 3250 rpm’s it drove fine.
@@87mustang87The new ones are way better than the old ones. Those jack stands are bad ass now... Harbor freight stepped up and completely redesigned those.
@@jbuch66koop glad to hear! Thank u 🙂 only have ur best interest at heart bro! Love ur content it's gotten me through the hardest part of my life this spring is was borderline suicidal/ having a breakdown but u helped me get thru
I've seen (and been in the car for) some nasty driveshaft failures. But it was always the shaft breaking or shearing. Even had a cheap shortened shaft soda straw up. But I've never seen block damage like that. Almost seems like not failing completely made it worse. Still better than coming through the floor or pole vaulting the car though.
Hey Alex, would those MmR block braces fix this issue potentially? I remember seeing those and thinking they were a high Hp application only type situation. Now you have me wondering.
I'm still confident that a competent welder can repair those snapped engine block ears like they did on my friends (nearly 1,000 rwhp) Aluminator swapped Gen2 6R80 lund-tuned Mustang. 💪🚗🇺🇸
That’s nuts. I almost want to blame the clip or an assembly error. If that clip wasn’t seated properly and few out the centrifugal force through that cap out.
Just slap some gorilla glue on it! It done.. Fun fact i used to have a green Jeep Wrangler just like the one sitting next to section H8.. Now i have a velocity blue Bronco just like the one next to it 😂😂
Imagine all the sh*t talk we missed out on because a shop didn't install that drive shaft... shame... lmao On a real note, that's probably the most painful cause of destruction I've seen, a damn end cap clip basically wiped out a drivetrain. Sorry to see it happen, wish you luck!
That's some carnage man sucks it happened. look into tripple A. i have it 100$ a year for 5 tows within 100 miles each, no charge. I use it a bunch when buying project cars i dont feel like towing home. It's one of those things you dont need it till ya need it.
My ford tech friend told me about a F150 owner that tossed a shotgun into his truck. It went off, it went through the bellhousing, torque converter and broke the block right above the starter. The truck had 15,000 miles on it
Base s197 5.0 w a manual isn't even quite 3600 stock. Im talking curb weight. They can be over 3600 if loaded but they aren't over 3700 unless it's a vert.
You're so lucky it stayed attached though or you could be having to throw the whole car away... Although carbon fiber is bad ass, it wouldn't have saved this from happening.
When aldo was building my car, The car was on the dyno. The drive shaft went out. It took out the transmission. It took out the engine so had to start the build all over again.
Had a similar thing happened with a 4v swap Fairmont with a t45. Ripped both lower mounting ears off the block and split the bellhousing all the way around. Set fuck it and LS swapped it. 6.0/T56 > 4V/T45
Why do people put gm motors in fords what is the obsession w gm stuff? Build an ls for a gm vehicle. I just hate this trend of swapping the wrong brand into the big 3.
Truvi might be able to weld those tabs up for you!
Alex putting in work for the channel this man cares and ain’t lazy!!
I am totally amazed at how calm and analytical you are in this video. Definitely a tragedy. I know stuff breaks, but seeing this scares the hell out me!
Learn something new every day from this channel. Who knew the driveshaft can be used like a reverse impact gun.
Man i wish i had your motivation, really props to you alex.
Welding cast aluminum going to require a lot of faith in the person doing the welding.
My question is can the weld repair be done with the engine in the car or is it better to remove the engine so the parts can be cleaned properly and welded in???? MIG or TIG will be a factor also.
@@robhunter2435Helium Arc welding. But you are right. Needs to remove the engine most likely because most Welders won’t do it in the cramped space.
@@robhunter2435 You'd have to Tig it and its always better work on the piece without obstructions but thats up to alex
Thanks for the update. Glad you did not get hurt. Getting the parts welded, whether MIG or TIG will be tricky with the motor in. The parts must be extremely clean to get good penetration and strength. Looking forward for more of the repair on Donny
Things happen and it goes to show even the smallest part failure can cause damage to other components. You were pretty lucky and count your blessings. Those of us that work on our own stuff have to have the skills and know how to make good solid repairs when needed. I love that you do your own wrenching and show it on your channel.
That extension reminds me of the gun the judge used in who framed roger rabbit, or whatever movie it was i can't remember
Those clips that retain the u joint never go bad unless installed improperly. The clips that is😮
I love these TH-cam car guys. They do crazy shit for clicks. They beat on their cars and blow things up. Occasionally we learn things!
*celebrates 47th birthday * * pusshes 3600lb car into garage to take out a 150lb trans that was just put in* You live the life, Alex!
Setbacks are a bummer. We enjoy the journey & expect the "bumps in the road!"
Another great video
Keep grinding Alex. Love these videos. Wonder if Jake or any of the Lunds have any theories as to why that driveshaft failed like that.
Just your luck!! Took it with stride and got a pretty informative video from the carnage 💪🏼 Nothing but good things to say about the QA1 CF driveshaft with 900whp and aggressive road course/track driving. Definitely gives some peace of mind having it as a fuse vs having it tear anything else apart.
Hey Alex take a look at the aluminum motor mounts that are bolted to the block make sure those are ok. They probably are but might be a good idea to make sure
You're a beast dude 💪...guy pushed a 3500+ lbs vehicle (with questionable elevation between A to B) getting it in his garage.
Mmr makes some braces that go from oil pan to the lower shield bolts on trans. Adds two more bellhousing bolts. I’ve welded ears back on with the braces and it work good
I believe all of the mounting points for the starter are on the bell housing. I mocked up my starter on my 6R80 a while ago to see how it mounted up. All of the mounting holes can be seen in the shim plate. I'd still weld all of those pieces back on anyway.
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I'm sorry you had this bad luck Alex. This really sucks. Maybe take off the flex plate just to make sure there's no other damage - the welder will probably want it off too. Keeping my fingers crossed that the repair cost is as low as possible.
The driveshaft looks like there’s no room to compress in that expansion part. So if the driveshaft couldn’t compress, if you hit a bump, suspension compress, weight from the force of the car going down could have damaged the u joint. Could have crushed the bearings and the centrifugal force fling the cap off, vibration, and then just how you described that violent vibration causing the carnage.
Those bottom bolt holes that broke off are just for the transmission. The three starter bolts all go in to the trans bell housing. That broken ear below the starter won’t cause any issues with the starter. Starter centers on that steel spacer plate and bolts to the trans. Still sketchy, but you should be good to stick a new trans in it and roll on.
That's wild. Hate that happened. What driveshaft was that?
@@sidejobspeedshop8761 I think it's more of a u-joint failure than the drive shaft. The drive shaft is fine
Subscribed, highly enjoy your videos and your projects. I own a 2010 ZR1 myself and also a 2024 RCSB 4x4 with a coyote and I can’t wait to see you do the swap on yours lol.
Also, if I push my own cars around will I get calves like yours? Asking for a friend.
@@helliondevil132 maybe hahaha
The bottom ear on the right cylinder 1-4 side is also for the transmission.
I’m about to put a Carbo driveshaft in my swapped 69 for the same reason you just said. I’d much rather the driveshaft explode rather than come through the floor.
Definitely gotta have that block checked by an NDI/NDT shop….hairline fractures are no joke
Odd failure, idk your setup but it would be a good idea while you’re under there to check your driveline angles with the suspension loaded to make sure you’re not maxing out the u-joints
Wondering if the u joint clip didn't get put in all the way. How many miles where on ds untill it let go?
I enjoy all the content. One of the most informative/authentic on this platform🫡💪🏾
Tbh it looks like the engine and transmission werent lined up right which caused the drive shaft to fail. I usually grease the dowels and get the rust off so it slides in easily and support the front of the engine so it tilts up so the transmission can slide easily.
Every day he gets closer to realizing he needs a BMW and an ethanol mixing jacket.
I needed the laugh because I was in the same spot a few years ago. Lookin at picking up a Bmw or maybe a supra next year 😂
😂
@@Penn-I picked up a 440i lol but kept my whipple s197 lol
Except for with something goes wrong in your BMW is going to cost you a 2 to 3 times as much
Trust me. We don’t want down pipe tune & lab coat E40 Tio😂
Jb weld Alex, Lol
Any idea why it broke? Quality?
Thank you very much for all the content and information that you give in your videos. I always thought too myself that you never see anything adverse happen to these guys. Well, now I know that it's not just me that shit happens to. 😂
Do you think there could be any crank bearing issues from the harmonics? If the harmonics translated it into the crankshaft
Can’t believe the foxbodies driveshaft held up 😅 sorry tio
When this happened to my gen 3 motor, welders told me that there was a risk of the engine cracking more as it cools. Cast aluminum is difficult to weld apparently.
Said fuck it and ran it with the same cracked trans after I got the new clutch on and aside from it vibrating hard between 2750 rpm’s to 3250 rpm’s it drove fine.
Eventually got a new motor because OPG failure and a new trans of course.
I swear Alex has the worst luck
Please keep a floor jack under it Alex we need a few thousand more videos from u! That should be fixable!
@@87mustang87 there were literally 4 jackstands.
@YDBT4LIFE I've seen those fail lol
@@87mustang87The new ones are way better than the old ones. Those jack stands are bad ass now... Harbor freight stepped up and completely redesigned those.
@@jbuch66koop glad to hear! Thank u 🙂 only have ur best interest at heart bro! Love ur content it's gotten me through the hardest part of my life this spring is was borderline suicidal/ having a breakdown but u helped me get thru
@@87mustang87what kinda cheap ass autozone 1 ton bullshit are yall buying ☠️🤣
I've seen (and been in the car for) some nasty driveshaft failures. But it was always the shaft breaking or shearing. Even had a cheap shortened shaft soda straw up. But I've never seen block damage like that. Almost seems like not failing completely made it worse. Still better than coming through the floor or pole vaulting the car though.
Hey Alex, would those MmR block braces fix this issue potentially? I remember seeing those and thinking they were a high Hp application only type situation. Now you have me wondering.
Better safe than sorry
@@marcopolo6514 but would it maybe help fix the damage already done?
I would definitely be checking crank bearings after seeing that carnage, at least the thrust bearing.
@@RedFox5.O yea no.
If it's not rattling
Ride out
very good
I'm still confident that a competent welder can repair those snapped engine block ears like they did on my friends (nearly 1,000 rwhp) Aluminator swapped Gen2 6R80 lund-tuned Mustang. 💪🚗🇺🇸
Holy crap!!! 😮 lol, that's crazy!!
Looks like a job for JB weld.
Hate it when things break but it's part of it
That’s nuts. I almost want to blame the clip or an assembly error. If that clip wasn’t seated properly and few out the centrifugal force through that cap out.
Time for that 5.2/10R80 swap(Raptor R pcm?) with an ESS G4-100 into the S197 (or swap it into the ZR1).
Just slap some gorilla glue on it! It done..
Fun fact i used to have a green Jeep Wrangler just like the one sitting next to section H8.. Now i have a velocity blue Bronco just like the one next to it 😂😂
This kinda worries me. I have a vibration at high speeds in mine that I can't pinpoint.
Me too 19Gt mt82 . DSS aluminum ds right at 75-90mph
Imagine all the sh*t talk we missed out on because a shop didn't install that drive shaft... shame... lmao
On a real note, that's probably the most painful cause of destruction I've seen, a damn end cap clip basically wiped out a drivetrain. Sorry to see it happen, wish you luck!
@2:38 Un Caballo de Fuerza
Luckily that U joint held together as much as it did, and the drive shaft didn't whip around under there and come up through the floor.
That's some carnage man sucks it happened. look into tripple A. i have it 100$ a year for 5 tows within 100 miles each, no charge. I use it a bunch when buying project cars i dont feel like towing home. It's one of those things you dont need it till ya need it.
Just slap some JB Weld on it and get back after it!
Crazy because I put mine on cruse control at 130mph with zero issues
My ford tech friend told me about a F150 owner that tossed a shotgun into his truck. It went off, it went through the bellhousing, torque converter and broke the block right above the starter. The truck had 15,000 miles on it
Tossing a shot gun anywhere doesn't seem like a well thought out idea.
That sucks!!
11:11 metal shavings in my eye just watching this video.
Jeezz didn’t realize a cup failure could cause so much damage
Wow that’s some carnage! Fuck the house, you need a shop so you can get a lift! Not getting any younger.
Glad it didn’t do even more damage 😅😅
Stop blowing holes in your ship! Also look into harbor freights low profile trans jack. I really like mine especially for automatics going back in.
Tio, you need no gym when you push all of those cars 💪
Ooohhh nooooo I guess you gotta go 3-2-1 and new 6r80.
time to get a harbor frieght tig and slang some rod. Damn no dewalt tools?!?!?!? hahahahaha
scrap that flex plate tio. that was the only thing holding her together and it too way more front to back stress than normal.
I like calm you are even tho your car is fucked 😂. I've been running the Ford racing drive shaft on my 650hp 14 no issues
Crazy shit is everything you've said that breaks and has a cause and effect that people deny has come true with you.
Hmm, I seem to no longer want to "upgrade" my driveshaft.
got a lot of scrap there.
Your catching up to Ole Cleeter destroying engines 🤭🤷♂️
Dealership says DON'T GO 120 MPH!
Imo you should be fine with some welds and re-tap, just take your time
Seems like it’s all toast!
Wearing shorts in January, must be nice...
Yeah buddy some JB WELD be good to go!!
3 starter bolts go the trans
@@alex12a302 no shit. LMAO
So carbon fiber is probably the best way to go?
That shit wont buff out...
Oh shit
F150 or mustang??
Both if you can but if not go for the F150 first.
Oh man, that’s shitty. Tough break man…
Yeah, S197 is 3650# empty.
Base s197 5.0 w a manual isn't even quite 3600 stock. Im talking curb weight. They can be over 3600 if loaded but they aren't over 3700 unless it's a vert.
@@midnight347 Weighed mine on a scale with me in it. It was 3800# I weigh 150# do the math.
You're so lucky it stayed attached though or you could be having to throw the whole car away... Although carbon fiber is bad ass, it wouldn't have saved this from happening.
Ls swap it. 😃
Throw that free converter in the trash & start over…. No luck since converter install. Bad juju bro 😂
For street use maybe the exhaust heat is too close for carbon driveshaft, definitely consult with driveshaft manufacturer first.
All cars broken? Man… if you would just stop touching stuff. 😂
U could sue for the damages hate to be that guy but that’s still a lot of money
I don’t remember if that was the grey goose drive shaft
He's not suing anyone.
Who is he gonna sue lol. The chances of the snap ring popping off like that on the u joint is crazy.
What a piece of garbage.
I swear you have the worst luck.
You have bad luck with your cars.i hope that changes for you.
When aldo was building my car, The car was on the dyno. The drive shaft went out. It took out the transmission. It took out the engine so had to start the build all over again.
@@ssswdon I remember that gforce driveshaft
Had a similar thing happened with a 4v swap Fairmont with a t45. Ripped both lower mounting ears off the block and split the bellhousing all the way around. Set fuck it and LS swapped it. 6.0/T56 > 4V/T45
Why do people put gm motors in fords what is the obsession w gm stuff? Build an ls for a gm vehicle. I just hate this trend of swapping the wrong brand into the big 3.
@midnight347 I did it because it was mine. And I sold it for more than any 81 Ford Fairmont should ever have been sold for.