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Tim Burton's Buried Disney Movie is Pure Nightmare Fuel
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2024
- Tim Burton's lost fantasy horror movie had everything you could ask for from a Disney project - a fresh take on a classic fairytale, an evil stepmother, and even a wicked witch. But what we got was so strange and unusual that the Mouse House ended up burying it in the vault for over 25 years.
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Anyone else thinks young Tim Burton looks like a Tim Burton character.
Totally
Hell yeah, that is what I was thinking too.
The self awareness he seemed to possess at that age is admirable
No
Yea the bride one
Tim was making late 2020s Adult Swim content in the 80s. He was truly ahead of his time.
We're still in early/mid 2020s, lol.
the weidest stuff ever featured on Adults Swim was before the 2020s, it was in the 2000s and 2010s. Xavier, 12 oz mouse, Squidbillies etc.
@@nwerd7584Yup. And Home Movies, Aquateen Hungerforce, and more. (Though I love Home Movies, Aquateen Hungerforce and more)
you from the future or sum? we just now in the mid 2020s
late 2020s? we've got a time traveller here lads
Tim burton is basically if Edgar Allen Poe was a visual artist. there's something so unique about his designs that i've not really seen replicated elsewhere. i love his dark surrealist vibe
Hes just copying german expressionism from the 1920s
Do not compare the late great Edgar Allen Poe to Tim Burton. They’re on two different levels and playing fields.
His tales are like the modern day Grim Brothers fairytales
It's a shame that Disney Channel buried it. Sure, lots of kids were traumatized by Watcher in the Woods and Something Wicked This Way Comes, but they got a chance to flourish on TV every Halloween and become beloved cult classics. This could've done the same. And just as I looked forward to those reruns, I'm always excited to see a new upload from The Other Vault.
Much appreciated! Yeah - this totally could reached cult classic status if they had stuck with it.
Yeah well if Betty Davis wasn't so damn good, I wouldn't have been terrified by Watcher. I have watched it since but still to much. Book's real good though.
For years there were copies floating around on VHS recorded from the original 1983 airing, I first saw one in '85 or '86. There's bound to be a tape still out there in the wild in someone's parents attic, commercials and all. In the 80's especially the early 80's "whatever aired on cable, it most definitely got recorded to VCR and someone has probably got an unknown quantity. Nobody had cable but 1 maybe 2 kids in your neighborhood back then so everything got recorded to VCR and passed around. I mean EVERYTHING. It was kind of a big deal. To be perfectly fair tho, sadly, it was also completely common to record over stuff because new tapes were expensive. Especially for middle schoolers
"Sure, lots of kids were traumatized...but" nah mate, just stop right there 🤨
I just watched it and couldn't disagree more. Crazy to think it aired on Disney. Best way to describe it would be cringe fest. If it had been done in the style of Vincent with competent actors it could have been amazing. Buuuut it wasn't.
That gingerbread now has an apartment rent free in my mind, thank you.
Me two I feel a need to cartoon these characters now
He gives chucky mixed with pennywise vibes
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure remains absolutely hysterical to this day. I remember laughing out loud in the theater, and even more so now when I l'm old enough to understand more of the jokes and appreciate the editing.
Totally! Big Adventure definitely still holds-up.
After the movie came out I found myself in San Antonio in basic training. When I finally got my day pass to leave the base I went to San Antonio to find the Alamo. I found it on a street in the heart of the city. Because of Pee Wees big adventure I expected it to be surrounded by desert 😂😂😂😂
Peewee an theater are not a good mix
@@Ave_Satana666 Herman was arrested for something people have done in the USA trillions of times in front of a computer screen, starting from the mid-90s.
And to a lesser extent, in front of a TV and VCR.
@@TokyoXtreme he was in public which is why it was wrong the fact theirs a screen present isn't the issue.
That's unfortunate that Disney didn't give Burton the artistic freedom to recreate Dumbo. Everybody's favorite part is PINK ELEPHANTS ON PARADE.
Look out! Look out!
Pink elephants on parade
Here they come!
Hippety hoppety
They're here and there
Pink elephants ev'rywhere
Look out! Look out!
They're walking around the bed
On their head
Clippety cloppety
Arrayed in braid
Pink elephants on parade
What'll I do? What'll I do?
What an unusual view!
I could stand the sight of worms
And look at microscopic germs
But technicolor pachyderms
Is really to much for me
I am not the type to faint
When things are odd or things
are quaint
But seeing things you know that ain't
Can certainly give you an awful fright!
What a sight!
Chase 'em away!
Chase 'em away!
I'm afraid need your aid
Pink elephants on parade!
Pink elephants!
Pink elephants!
There to afraid of the drugs
No, I was terrified of that scene as a kid. I never liked Dumbo much, but I vividly remember b int scared of that scene. I never knew that was Tim Burton
@@TotallyxKatieefunny i had a totally different experience, dumbo was boring but id watch the pink elephant scene over and over! Same with huffalumps and woozles!✨
@@TotallyxKatieeIt wasn't. OP was talking about the live animation remake he directed. Dumbo the animated film was made WAAAAAAY before his time.
This is one of my favorite Tim Burton films. I love his early work, this whole short film is like his sketch books come to life, it's his style and imagination 100 %
And Rich Heinrich's contribution, I think them working together did something magical.
@@JadyLester YES! It is mainly because of Rich's ability to bring Tim's ideas to life. As much as I love Tim's style, throughout his career his success and recognition has always been due to the teams of people who can represent his style in sets, costumes, makeup, etc. His earliest projects just had the best teams of creative people.
To me, it's almost like watching a pop-up book.
What’s it called?
@@joshmacleod6447 what is what called? 😮
"Disney and I were a bad mix." - Tim Burton the man who has worked on multiple Disney films
Undertones of: The money was good though.
He was on a contract tho
Everybody needs to survive! You can’t live on air and Imagination.
He slept 16 hours a day there 😂
Goes to show you can succeed in life by sleeping all day and churning out absolute garbage, as long as you know someone in the biz. Then go down in history as a legend for being an edgy weirdo
I can't say I immediately loved Nightmare Before Christmas when it came out in 1993 and I was eight. The imagery was strange, none of the characters were particularly cute, and the themes hinted at an existential angst that didn't really jive with the Disney stuff I was used to. But I did immediately respect it. You just knew there was something special about it. And unique. And artistic. And the music was good on a level I wasn't prepared for. The theater wasn't very full that day at all. And the fact that we still chose to see it felt like a turning point in maturity for some reason. Tim speaks directly to that inner loneliness you weren't really supposed to admit or acknowledge back then. And that was kind of exciting.
@@kitsmashing3267 Yeah I didn't realize how much Burton stole from German Expressionism until fairly recently. Seeing Metropolis was definitely eye opening. Sellick maybe didn't get enough credit initially, but I think people are well aware what a great film maker he is now. Nightmare is definitely a co-production. Tim Burton provides a lot of the imagery and concepts, Henry Sellick gives everything a cadence and movement that Burton may have lacked at the time. And Danny Elfman provides a lot of the magic. All movies are definitely a team effort.
"The Nightmare Before Christmas" was a lot like "Alice in Wonderland" originally in that they both BOMBED horribly in the box-office; however, it was BECAUSE of the cult-following that slowly but surely accumulated over the years that made BOTH of the franchises into colossal-sized classics now! When I was a little boy, "The Nightmare Before Christmas" to me was incredible! I immediately fell in love with it! Halloween AND Christmas equally having their showing was just what I was honestly waiting for since who knows how long; and also, I always WANTED to have a "holiday leader" for Halloween, and compared to the other holidays, Halloween NEVER had an official leader.......until that very point in history! Ever since I was able to look back and say, "Yes, there IS a holiday leader for Halloween; and that person is Jack Skellington - "The Pumpkin King"!" NOBODY could tell me otherwise; and believe me, way back when they tried over and over again.......and they FAILED to disprove my theory!
I love Jack too, but maybe you forget, or aren't old enough to remember, "It's The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown." That was the 70's childrens' movie to look forward to every year 😊❤@@KingMickeyMouseOoO
so you just go around spewing this bullshit@@kitsmashing3267
I didn't like it either not until I got older. I feel like the got the age of the audience wrong
I would be willing to bet that Dan-Dan the Gingerbread Man is meant to be a reference to Danny Elfman since Tim was an Oingo Boingo fan before working with Danny for Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure.
Knowing how weird that guy looks in real life I absolutely agree
Hence Danny doing all of the music for Tims movies❤
danny elfman composed a lot of his work in the future too!
I think Dan Dan was at least partly inspired by Disney's "The Story of the Gingerbread Man". This was a 1969 children's book accompanied by a recording of the story. On the other side of the record from the story was a song called "The Gingerbread Man" (credited to Camarata), and this song was positively nightmarish, with its speeded-up vocal, weird harmonic shifts, and endless looping structure.
Here's the song: th-cam.com/video/IgqIwiN3xvQ/w-d-xo.html
The fact that Disney thought Frankenweenie scared kids more than Pinocchio
The shape of the witches house resembles the hill that jack skellington... there's glimpses of the sand monster from Beetlejuice too.. it's so cool to watch this and this whole episode is very well done and informative!! Great narration
So glad you enjoyed it.
Take a shot every time he says "they had no idea what to do with him!"
Bro just mentions Danny Elfman as a musician. Completely neglecting the fact he was in Oingo Boingo 😂
They are his private facts
What? He had nothing to do with JoJo
@@The.One.True.B what does that even mean lol
@@joesdocs listen to Oingo Boingo lol the video for Private Life is great
@@The.One.True.B OH SHIT JUST GOT THAT REFERENCE. THESE ARE HIS PRIVATE THINGS
Would be great if Tim Burton were allowed to remake this with his polished skills.
I will forever love Vincent. I love anything with Vincent Price or inspired by him
His voice and presence could never be duplicated.
Vincent Price is a one of a kind legend he enjoyed art and books interesting person gifted talent
"The Abominable Dr. Phibes" and "Dr. Phibes Rises Again" are supposed to be great films.... Only ever saw them when I was about 12 or 14 on televison, but I missed the beginning AND might have seen both....
Have to check them out..... This time, PROPERLY.
Tim Burton is absolutely brilliant and I love his films, especially fond of Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare before Christmas. Nothing but respect for the guy.
I’ve always loved Tim burtons creativity and how he expresses himself through his work. It resonates with me because I myself am strange and unusual. I love it.
Everybody loves to brag bout how they're strange and unusual, LOL!
I see your quote there 😉 "I myself am strange and unusual." Well played.
Took me a hot minute. Lol. 'Where the f have I heard that...??'
I think Tim may have been concieved in the Cabinet of Dr. Calagari.
I just recently saw that movie and I have to agree. I didn't realize how much that movie had influenced him.
Accurate
Young Tim Burton looks like Tiny "Tiptoe Through the Tulips" Tim's brother or cousin. A tale of Two Tims.
Tim Burton looks like Nicholas Cage playing as Tim Burton
lol. :)
Boys and girls of every age, wouldn’t you like to see something strange?
Come with us and you will see, a movie made by Tim B’s creativity .
Tim’s creativity. Tim’s creativity.
The other vault is here explain it all.
Tim’s creativity, a movie that unexpectedly shows insane content. And it was money well spent!
Come sit down! The video, you’ll see!
Showing a movie made by Tim’s creativityyy.
Another classic!
Dan-Dan has a tendency to keep me up at night, fearing for my soul as his shouts of "FINISH ME" echo in my mind.
The Disney Corporation spent much time trying to figure out a new identity after Walt died, so they hired young new visionaries. Fast forward to 2020 when they were told to create a specific new identity, and . . . . . (no young new visionaries - just DEI reboots).
Wild, right? Definitely a simpler time...
@@theothervault a better time for creativity. I hope we someday return to this style of working with 'no-named' individuals
And pe do philia.
80s Disney Channel as a whole is a fever dream. I've made a couple episodes of commercials from it for my Retrosyde Archive channel. I've never heard of most of the shows and movies they aired in that time, and I've never heard anyone talk about them either. The channel really started taking off from their early 90s rebranding, so 80s Disney Channel weirdness typically gets buried.
Those little promo cards for itself with the logo were always kind of cool and surreal. All the cable channels had good ones there for a while. Big part of the fun...for some reason.
Tim Burton rebelled against his old man. Burton senior was a very athletic man and Tim Burton did that in high school, he was a member of swin team, his dad approved of that. Young Tim Burton did wrestling in college. But he found his father's ambition stifling. Then Tim Burton rebelled. But his father approved of him going to college. But Burton Sr may not have understood animation. I saw an excellent documentary where his mother filled in a lot of those background details. Burton and his dad reconciled towards the end of Burtons dad's life. Big fish is dedicated to Burtons old man. Lot of his later work is family friendly. Big eyes. Wednesday is a return to the much darker Burton of old. The scene where Wednesday get revenge on pugsleys tormentors by flooding the swimming pool with piranhas is nasty and Catherine zeta Jones plays the enemy in morticia
That is also the reason for Willy Wonka's backstory with his father as a dentist in his movie adaptation.
Tim Burton's father was a serial cat abuser, murdered several of the neighbourhood cats during rape. He was a sick fuck
Tim Burton even moves like one of his characters
His resilience and unwavering dedication to his own unique style is so inspiring. Great video!!
Thanks so much!
Uh (and sorry if I get off topic here) I weirdly remember there were some Tomy Toys here in this special (and Tomy Toys were featured in the 1-hour disney channel documentary, "Where the Toys Come From" from 1983) Coincidentally, Tomy Toys were an opening day sponsor of Tokyo Disneyland for their Western Railroad Expedition attraction, and a mini train toy set was featured in the documentary. (WRE is an interesting case as that was a ride as opposed to a form of in-park transportation because of Japanese laws requiring that trains to ticket people. Hence why the Tokyo Disney Resort monorail (which opened with Tokyo Disney Sea) requires a ticket to board.)
Anywho, Where the Toys Come From is something you ought to cover next as it's weirdly not on Disney Plus and honestly serves as a precursor to Toy Story and features an English cover of a 1980s Citypop tune.
Great suggestion - it's on my list! Where the Toys Come From was part of the same Walt Disney Studio Showcase experimental series as Hansel & Gretel.
Tim Burton is completely crazy and I love him so much for that
So fun fact, it was either the Vincent short or the claymation Frankenweenie that was bundled on a special edition VHS of Nightmare before Christmas. It was a pivotal part of my youth as I loved Burton films, classic Vincent Price films, and practical effects in movies. It was I think one of those post credits things that I found on total accident because the VHS was from the local library and somebody hadn't rewound properly.
This was a great video I knew about all of this besides the hansel and Gretel flick. You did a great job time lining the whole thing. Top work mate
This is the first I have seen your channel and you did a wonderful job with researching and putting this together.
Peewees big adventure ,scared the hell out of me in parts when i was lil
I actually went to that art exhibit and got to witness a screening of this film like 15 years ago 🙂 The exhibit was amazing and featured a lot of his lesser known works including hand made "stain boy" dioramas, his sketchbooks and disney pieces. It also showcased the pumpkin king and edward scissorhands costumes and cases full of claymation heads with different expressions from corpse bride
Thank you pee wee, not just for the childhood memories you gave, but for giving the light to Tim so I can enjoy his work today
This was a very well produced video, I was surprised when I saw the sub count for your channel! You definitely will be growing at an EXPONENTIAL rate if you keep it up.
Tim Burton's always been an odd egg, but it's thanks to that that he was able to carve himself into a niche that drew the attention of millions of people around the world that also felt miscast in society and finally found some common ground with a lot of other like-minded people.
Love all the research and your animation splashed with Burton's in telling this story. Fantastic!
People often ignore the strange and unusual...
My new favorite channel. Why it doesn’t have a million or more subs is a shame. Keep it goin’ bud.
Thanks so much! Lots more to come!
@@theothervault can’t wait
I watched it years ago here with commercials from the time. It's one of my favorites since I prefer his old art. Cute, nostalgic, fun designs; the steady pace with commercials felt very cozy. I recommend falling asleep with it.
The reason why Tim Burton couldn't draw foxes,is due to the fact that ppl who are into Goth/horror don't draw cute things.
How that I know that?
I was one of those artists,of course no big time company even offered to hire me.
Probably cause I never went to collage.
I introduced my two younger kids to Tim's NBC movie in 2015 and that sparked a strong interest in his productions.
They have watched all of his movies so many times they know the scripts and songs, especially their initial favorite, NBC by heart.
I'm just gonna comment for the algorithm bc your channel deserves it
Thanks! I'm just glad you're enjoying my stuff!
And I shall reply for the same.
Edward Scissorhands was one of the first movies I remember seeing in theaters as a kid. I was 4. I loved it then and love it now. I was a weird kid, though. My dad told me that we went to an amusement park and the crypt keeper was there, and I was like, “Daddy! Daddy! Can I keep him?” I don’t remember this, but I do believe it because I remember loving Tales from the Crypt (but mainly just because of the crypt keeper; the rest was boring to me).
Wow This was such a cool video. I had no idea of all the struggles Tim went through. You can tell he went through a lot of anger and pain with that first major project. He’s very abstract but Jeez that project was all over the place. He really has come a long way.
I LOVED Nightmare as a kid. Tim is the man. One of the GOATS.
Tim is a legend!
ohh my, everyones got a tummy ache, the cast from eating evil candy and the audience from laughing. this made my day! serious
That which was fucking nightmarish, the whole thing looked like the kind of feverish nightmares I’d have as a kid.
The Frankenweekie short is a very likeable movie, similar feel to Ed Wood, one of his best films.
His more recent CGI filled movies really are a low point, especially the Alice movies
Tim's version of Hansel and Gretel WAS nightmare fuel! I came across it about a year ago and was totally creeped out by it.
He's truly disturbed but in a good way, is he not a pure genius love his stuff
One of my best friends worked on "Frankenweenie" and did the animations in his younger days. :D
Awesome!
@@theothervault Arshad is still active today too! 🥰
Nice, his first published work was inspired by Don Martin, those were super popular to draw when i grew up too.
this is why I love tim burton's work.It's always creative and boundary pushing.
I didn’t understand his method & style ate first, but when I watched a bunch of his movies & animations, it reminded me of what I did for a time when my kids were young. For fun, we would occasionally make an animated clay video, or a “Chin” video.
He appears to have difficulty with eye contact.
Eye contact is weird
Wow, I didn't know about this. That's one of the scariest witches I have ever seen. And I see a resemblance to Willy Wonka: The welcoming of the children, the high pitch voice, the goggles, the pale face. Even the dialogue.
Just recently came across your channel and i really enjoy your videos! You talk about a lot of stuff i've never seen anyone else cover before, like The Devil and Max Devlin and that Indiana Jones Super Bowl show. Long story short you have a new subscriber! BTW i would love to see you talk about Warren Beatty's Dick Tracy movie, it's got quite a wild history and it's definitely a product of 80s/90s Disney's more mature films.
Thanks so much for the support and I'm so happy to hear you're enjoying everything! Dick Tracy was a whole lot of fun! I'll probably get around to it at some point.
How did I Not Know about this?!? This is awesome!
Glad to have helped!
I'm so glad other people know this movie exists! It's genuinely one of my favorite films of all time!
Frankenweenie is SUCH a great flick. I was crying and so happy. The whole round of emotions.
Woah I’ve never heard of this film until now! I love most of Tim Burton’s films and it’s a shock that I’ve never come across this one.
You've earned a subscription by just simply informing me that there's a Tim Burton movie I've yet to see. As a major fan this pleases me, I'll be searching for the torrent of this while you continue in the background
Damn, even though I know a lot about Hollywood history, your channel continues to astonish. You did it again, Dude!
Lots of great information in this video. I really enjoyed it.
I've been watching this video thinking the soundtrack sounds like Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood which makes sense as it's Johnny Costa 😉👍
This is delightful! I went down the David Lynch rabbit hole of early works long ago. It's great to see how a rare talent hones their craft and style.
Having a “film graphics” program along with the “Disney” animation program really paid off in the long run. Took a long time but they ended up dominating decades later.
Tim burton was the best. He just was chiseling out his identity. Best hire from disney.
The sound effect for the writing like a chalk board, gives me the chills, couldn't even watch this
Excellent job. You got my sub!❤❤😂🦇
Tim Burton is the best film director ever, I love all his movies!! 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
he is a bit racist tho
@@user-qv2mc3dw5o So r u.
A Tim Burton Godzilla movie would have been insane.
Awesome content , great editing and the voice ! Bad ass channel !
Nice work on the video, I was surprised to see you have less than 10k subscribers because I was entertained throughout. Keep it up ✌🏼
Thanks! Lots more to come!
Great video man!
The gingerbread man scene wild and kooky. It reminded me of the loony fairy tale characters in Sherk movies.
Props my brother. This is a really good take on Tim Burton I really didn't know. Awesome dive. Looking forward to watching some more.
Much appreciated! Lots more to come!
I deal with haters at my job and i live with a crazy apartment complex. So i understand about pain..i also deal with a learning disorder. I have a degree in fashion design..n i am a artist..not perfect but i am creative..n i draw alot and do fashion..
I loved this short as a kid, still do now!
Some would say it feels like a fever dream... but it looks more lie a hyperthermia nightmare.
Hansel and Grethel sprinkled with Cronenberg's "The Fly", a bit of "The Stuff" and "The wizard of Oz"... garnished with Wagner's "Lohengrin", "Alice in wonderland" and a variant of "The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs", set a Germanic folktale with asian actors accompaigned with a budget Anton Webernesque score... really, what more can a child ask for!?
Wicked! Liked and subscribed.
Michael eisner was the best ceo disney had other than disney himself, that guy understood the mission
I loved Tim Burton as a kid and I still love him today.
Was born in 82 and my parents actually had this recorded. I remember watching it. My parents were demented they always rented faces of death for us to watch too. They were creepy!😂
OH, you've got a HIT with this channel.
Thanks! So glad you're enjoying everything!
I had the 1984 Frankenweenie on vhs in the 90s and I loved it
New subscriber right here 😅 love this assessment of one of all time favorite creators. Bravo
Thanks so much and welcome aboard!
Wow the book from Hocus Pocus, that's pretty cool.
12:52 that snake-like creature reminds me of that the dad from Beetle Juice
Loved the film a lot. A lot lot lot. Saw it back at 2017 and i still remember it very fondly
I learned a lot here thank you!
So happy to hear that you enjoyed it!
Good video. Never knew about this movie.
That snake think hanging from the chandelier (red and white hands drop from the mouth) looks very like the Betelgeuse snake think in the desert land.
I had no idea this film existed. So bizarre but what i like about early Tim Burton.
When I was a Kid like 8-10 i loved "The Cat from Outer Space" it was a pretty good movie, If you have Kids they will love that old movie
Danny Elfman and Tim Burton working together is like butter and toast.
Anyone else see lots of stuff that ended up in nightmare before Christmas