Triumph needs to address their horrible gauges. Such beautiful bikes topped off by an ugly dash is an injustice to the rest of the design. In particular I would point to the gauges on the new 800 Sport and the Speed Twin RS.
I prefer the functionality over the cosmetics. I have the 660 with the digital and I'm pretty satisfied with it. Of course there is plenty of room for improvement. In a perfect world the dash would be big enough for the owner to have a variety of options from the digital but analog classic gauges on the screen to all digital, etc. One brand of bike I think offers that.
@kevinmurtagh3434 Yup. Economies of scale. I don't mind a well thought out TFT but that clock spells budget all over it. It looks decidedly out of place on a premium retro bike.
Triumph is on top of their game and have been for the last few years. I do wish they showed some love to the Speedmaster, too. It is a gorgeous bike that needs floorboards and higher handlebars.
Ninja 1100SX H2SX GSX-S1000GT FJR1300 R1250RS 1390 Super Duke GT Arguably the GSX-8R and Ducati Supersport added to the list. And if you want the Blackbird, go with the cruise control Hayabusa.
@@exothermal.sprocket The Suzuki Super Duke GT don't really ride like sports tourers. The FJR is long in the tooth now. The only decent modern ones are the RS1250 and Ninja SX.
@@Irfan87 FJR has every amenity you could want, shared in every other "new" model hitting the floors (IMU, QS, TC, cruise, modes, heated grips, cornering lights, electric adj windscreen, electronic suspension, 6.6gal fuel), plus shaft drive. Other than the year it got options, don't see why people aren't interested. The four cylinder in that FJR would run 100,000 miles no problem. Second look, it appears Yamaha may have dropped it for 2025.
Got my learners and taking an msf course in march. My 2025 goal is to finally own and ride a motorcycle. And the speed 400 is on my mind. 2025's look amazing. Would love that Thruxton.
@@tmoosy I partially agree. Would def recommend getting a used 660, not new. As for starting on a smaller bike, I started on a MT-07 with no issues and had no need to "upgrade" for quite a while. Comes down latent ability and self control, assuming you don't have to deal with the European A license system.
@@aaroncathey6706 It could potentially be too much if you aren't being "responsible", but I personally loved starting on something with more power. The torque and acceleration is immediately addicting. You being worried is a good sign that you would probably handle and respect the power on tap. I took the MSF and got my license 2 years before I bought my first bike, MT-07 (technically FZ but w/e). Had to completely re-learn everything on that bike via youtube tutorials and came out unscathed. Your results may vary.
But they actually could do it. Bob mentioned in the Tiger 800 video, that the new engine has the same external dimensions as the 660, so making it fit into the Trident should not be too difficult. Then make the same upgrates as on the Tiger 800 (like the bigger brakes) and you have a good middle-weight naked bike. Of course, if it makes sense is a different question haha
They finally get the upgraded suspension on the 1200 then they stick on the cheap looking tft. They could have designed a twin clock design that allows for Bluetooth etc.
I was hoping for that Tiger Sport 800 for ages, would have been the perfect upgrade to my Tiger 800. Some great value for money on the 660 and 400 cc bikes
I was seriously considering the new Trident 660 but I heard you don't get a service manual for Triumph Motorcycles when you buy them but instead have to pay by the hour to access it online. Is this true?
Do you know if the luggage and top box from the Tiger Sport 660 would fit the new 800? Would be great to upgrade and not have to spend £1K+ on new luggage
I was hoping you'd report on the changes to the speed 400 for the 2025 model year. they rolled it out early in India and while that version has blacked out exhausts, they since reverted that decision for the global release. This new version also seems to have larger tires and a thicker seat as well as adjustable handlebars.
If they wanted to go digital for the speer twin RS they should have done a dash like the Royal Enfield Bear 650, brillant looking dash keeping both modern tech and old looks. I won't buy one, I'll keep my 2021 bike for now and maybe look at the BMW R12 Nine T instead come upgrade time, they still have twin clocks
for the moment i am very happy with the z650rs i own. however in the near future i am looking for a change. seems like bmw RnineT is on the winning side. very disappointed with the 1200 speed twin
@MotoBob - do you know why Triumph haven’t got the 2025 version of the Speed 400 released worldwide yet when it’s been over 2-3 months available in India? Love the new yellow colour of the Speed 400, the adjustable levers and the better rubber. Would be great to have these options worldwide.
Have to say as A massive Triumph fan I was disappointed with the Triumph Stand. They didn't have the new Bobber Icon there and a couple of the bikes I sat on had marks and scuffs on them and just looked a bit tatty compared to other stands where the bikes were pristine.
If Triumph really wanted to replace analog with digital they could have could have replaced the twin analog clocks with a twin digital clock, but i am pretty sure they just wanted to save a buck instead of modernizing the bike. What a shame
Bored with Triumph now lack of decent colour schemes + all the special editions boring!! 😴 And at least paint the whole bike whatever bike it is as even some tank colours are not even the whole tank & then its the mudguards which are just black unpainted seriously!!🤨 And now the one i was seriously looking forward to the 1200 Speed Twin twin clocks are gone what is going on!!!🤔🤷🏼♂️🙄
Speed Twin looks GREAT. Totally my thing. Trident 660 with all the updates it's a great mid-bike choice. The really need to put that Rocket on a SERIOUS diet while trying to make it look more like naked muscle bike (VMAX 1700, DIAVEL V4) than a BIG FAT CRUISER. Damned thing looks like a 2 wheeled Caterpillar 994K, nothing sporty about that. Tiger Sport 1200 to compete with the S1000XR. And for the love of God, don't give IT the same horrid face of the 660 & new 800. EDIT: TWIN CLOCKS FTW. 😎👍
Not going to be a classic model year for Triumph in 25 I think. As I mentioned before, why have they mucked about with (ruined) the Speed Twin 1200 and what's going on with the Evel Rocket. Surely it makes more sense to offer a tribute bike to his memory, using a scrambler as a base. I don`t think even he would have tried that jump at Wembley with a Rocket 3. Marketing department I think have dropped the ball with this one...
With every update their retro bikes get less and less appealing. They had it down a decade ago with the air cooled models, it's a bloody shame. What's the point of spending extra on a retro bike when it's barely even trying to be retro? Atleast the Trident update is looking good, apart from the ugly dash those look like a great buy. I hope they update the Daytona 660 with that cruise control soon, would make it a great sport tourer.
Huge mistake from Triumph with the single budget dash on the 1200 Speed Twin. Especially the RS model at 14.5 grand. Come on Triumph you can do better than this.
That brushed headlight rim and horrible round clock has ruined the Speed Twin 1200. Throwing a few leftover Thruxton bits at it is treating customers like fools. Ill stay with my vastly superior Thruxton RS
I do not understand Triumph, who push themselves as a premium brand, continuing with the one button cruise control 🤔? It can’t be that much more expensive to do a full featured cruise control. Let’s face it even the Chinese bikes have it.🤨
When are they going to get some bal** and put the CBR1100XX or CBR1300XX on the road???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? There is a market for it
Far from a "joke". Consider the bikes that it is built to compete with... it's supposed to be that "muscle cruiser" type bike. Look at what a Harley weighs.
Bro you gotta stay off the free merch these companies are gifting you. Your reviews are all the same, Glorifying stupid companies that do not need to be glorified.
Their bikes have become too gizmo and tech-heavy for me. Also way too blacked out. We're a long ways from the Hinckley made, air cooled, hand-painted, 180 crank, chromed 2005 Triumph Bonneville T100. In 2024 you get stickers instead of paint, black cases, black rims, instruments that you can't see when the sun shines on it, cell phone connection crapola, 270 crank twins, and brakes that do their own thing. Oh well. In the marketplace, I guess Triumph is selling the squids what they want. But I wouldn't buy one. They are "classic" style bikes in name only.
Some nice updates.
Really don't like the clocks on the retros. The twin dials were gorgeous.
Triumph needs to address their horrible gauges. Such beautiful bikes topped off by an ugly dash is an injustice to the rest of the design. In particular I would point to the gauges on the new 800 Sport and the Speed Twin RS.
I have the tiger sport 660 with the same dash as the tiger sport 800 and trident. I rather like the dash for both ease of use and visibility.
@ I guess looks are a subjective thing. I’m glad you find the usability good. They are fantastic machines.
You obviously haven't seen the screen on my '19 Speed Triple. It's beautifully done!
They should ask there customers want they want
They should ask there customers what they want
Be honest BOB twin clocks look so much better. Omfg they ruined the speed twin.
Speed twin is now a royal enfield from wish
Right? That "clock" looks like a bad knock off from a Chinese bike circa 2006. Travesty.
@@AlexRye-sv6no speed twin at home lol
I prefer the functionality over the cosmetics. I have the 660 with the digital and I'm pretty satisfied with it. Of course there is plenty of room for improvement. In a perfect world the dash would be big enough for the owner to have a variety of options from the digital but analog classic gauges on the screen to all digital, etc. One brand of bike I think offers that.
@@spartanx169x you can have two of them to keep the design
The switch from analog to digital is a shame.
Oh, they will find out when the TFT dies.
Ok, boomer.
Cost cutting
@@kevinmurtagh3434 Yes - a good analogue speedometer costs much more than LCD of the same size.
@kevinmurtagh3434 Yup. Economies of scale. I don't mind a well thought out TFT but that clock spells budget all over it. It looks decidedly out of place on a premium retro bike.
Triumph is on top of their game and have been for the last few years.
I do wish they showed some love to the Speedmaster, too. It is a gorgeous bike that needs floorboards and higher handlebars.
?🤔?
Triumph should ask what there customers want
I just want Sports Tourers to make a comeback, sick and fucking tired of these damned ADVs. I want the Sprint, VFR, ST, Blackbird etc back.
Ninja 1100SX
H2SX
GSX-S1000GT
FJR1300
R1250RS
1390 Super Duke GT
Arguably the GSX-8R and Ducati Supersport added to the list. And if you want the Blackbird, go with the cruise control Hayabusa.
@@exothermal.sprocket The Suzuki Super Duke GT don't really ride like sports tourers. The FJR is long in the tooth now. The only decent modern ones are the RS1250 and Ninja SX.
@@Irfan87 FJR has every amenity you could want, shared in every other "new" model hitting the floors (IMU, QS, TC, cruise, modes, heated grips, cornering lights, electric adj windscreen, electronic suspension, 6.6gal fuel), plus shaft drive. Other than the year it got options, don't see why people aren't interested. The four cylinder in that FJR would run 100,000 miles no problem.
Second look, it appears Yamaha may have dropped it for 2025.
Don’t sugar coat it, tell us….😂
I had a Sprint 1050 - it was a hell of a bike.
I'd love a trident with the 1200 in it. The T plane crank specifically for the lovely noise and low end.
Got my learners and taking an msf course in march. My 2025 goal is to finally own and ride a motorcycle. And the speed 400 is on my mind. 2025's look amazing. Would love that Thruxton.
Respect. Would recommend starting on the trident 660 though, if you aren't financially or legally limited
@@Cthooligannah, start small and cheap, don't want to make your beginner mistakes on a fast expensive bike!
@@tmoosy I partially agree. Would def recommend getting a used 660, not new.
As for starting on a smaller bike, I started on a MT-07 with no issues and had no need to "upgrade" for quite a while. Comes down latent ability and self control, assuming you don't have to deal with the European A license system.
@@Cthooligan Would 660 be too much for a new rider? That's a thing I'd be worried about. I have no clue.
@@aaroncathey6706 It could potentially be too much if you aren't being "responsible", but I personally loved starting on something with more power. The torque and acceleration is immediately addicting. You being worried is a good sign that you would probably handle and respect the power on tap.
I took the MSF and got my license 2 years before I bought my first bike, MT-07 (technically FZ but w/e). Had to completely re-learn everything on that bike via youtube tutorials and came out unscathed. Your results may vary.
now we just need a faired version of the striple 765 RS that ISNT a special edition.
since moto2 change their power plant i’ve been waiting for a road version of the bike
Gotta love Triumph comprehensive range. They are doing it right.
for me Triumph is doing such a great job lately ❤❤❤, really love their bikes especially retro models
Great review and lovely to see you and say hello at the show. Keep up the good work!
The Tiger Sport 660 received also the slightly bigger seat from the new 800 version. Gives some more comfort to the passenger.
I like the look of the Tiger Sport 800
One button cc on the trident is genius, imu, quick shifter fantastic 🎉
Saw you at the show on Monday whilst you were on the Kawasaki Z900 stand, took some pics of you doing your shizzle. Great Video as always :)
Triumph's lineup is the most appealing of all manufacturers IMO, although the new dashes on the Twins are a deal breaker for me.
That new dash on the Speed 1200 is a crime - someone at Triumph should be jailed!
No matter what, I ❤ Triumph
Superb as usual!
Good job Look forward to the ride on the 1200RS. Top notch bike. Maybe my next.
Always look forward to your reviews. Thanks
They ought to make a Trident 800 or 900.
They can't coz there's already the Street Triple 765 and Speed Triple 1200. A Trident middleweight would literally overlap with the 765 too much
But they actually could do it. Bob mentioned in the Tiger 800 video, that the new engine has the same external dimensions as the 660, so making it fit into the Trident should not be too difficult. Then make the same upgrates as on the Tiger 800 (like the bigger brakes) and you have a good middle-weight naked bike.
Of course, if it makes sense is a different question haha
But better looks @@lohchenghuat6388
@@lohchenghuat6388 I just don't like the looks of the Street or Speed.
@@lukashirschmann7960 the Trident 660 looks great but it needs more engine than 660 for me. If it had a 800-900cc I'd buy.
They finally get the upgraded suspension on the 1200 then they stick on the cheap looking tft. They could have designed a twin clock design that allows for Bluetooth etc.
I was hoping for that Tiger Sport 800 for ages, would have been the perfect upgrade to my Tiger 800. Some great value for money on the 660 and 400 cc bikes
I was seriously considering the new Trident 660 but I heard you don't get a service manual for Triumph Motorcycles when you buy them but instead have to pay by the hour to access it online. Is this true?
Do you know if the luggage and top box from the Tiger Sport 660 would fit the new 800? Would be great to upgrade and not have to spend £1K+ on new luggage
Love them all 👍
7:24 good ol' premiere pro doing its thing
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Great updates 👍
Does the scrambler 900 or 1200x come with cruise control now?
I was hoping you'd report on the changes to the speed 400 for the 2025 model year. they rolled it out early in India and while that version has blacked out exhausts, they since reverted that decision for the global release. This new version also seems to have larger tires and a thicker seat as well as adjustable handlebars.
If they wanted to go digital for the speer twin RS they should have done a dash like the Royal Enfield Bear 650, brillant looking dash keeping both modern tech and old looks.
I won't buy one, I'll keep my 2021 bike for now and maybe look at the BMW R12 Nine T instead come upgrade time, they still have twin clocks
CB 1000 HORNET SP I've got my fingers crossed 😊
for the moment i am very happy with the z650rs i own. however in the near future i am looking for a change. seems like bmw RnineT is on the winning side. very disappointed with the 1200 speed twin
so did I miss it? is there no updates to the adventure touring line up?
@MotoBob - do you know why Triumph haven’t got the 2025 version of the Speed 400 released worldwide yet when it’s been over 2-3 months available in India? Love the new yellow colour of the Speed 400, the adjustable levers and the better rubber. Would be great to have these options worldwide.
Have to say as A massive Triumph fan I was disappointed with the Triumph Stand. They didn't have the new Bobber Icon there and a couple of the bikes I sat on had marks and scuffs on them and just looked a bit tatty compared to other stands where the bikes were pristine.
Sounds like Triumph needed someone with a bottle of cleaner and a microfiber towel.
Agree with you - and it was like that at opening time on Tuesday...
When Triumph makes a 400 Speedmaster or 400 Bobber then I might take an interest in their small bikes.
Surely a Trident 900 will be on the cards?
If Triumph really wanted to replace analog with digital they could have could have replaced the twin analog clocks with a twin digital clock, but i am pretty sure they just wanted to save a buck instead of modernizing the bike. What a shame
I'm confused by the speed twin 1200 specs. It makes less HP than the Tiger 900 despite having 300 more CC. Can someone explain?
Bored with Triumph now lack of decent colour schemes + all the special editions boring!! 😴 And at least paint the whole bike whatever bike it is as even some tank colours are not even the whole tank & then its the mudguards which are just black unpainted seriously!!🤨 And now the one i was seriously looking forward to the 1200 Speed Twin twin clocks are gone what is going on!!!🤔🤷🏼♂️🙄
The instrument cluster is shit on sport 800
Speed Twin looks GREAT. Totally my thing.
Trident 660 with all the updates it's a great mid-bike choice.
The really need to put that Rocket on a SERIOUS diet while trying to make it look more like naked muscle bike (VMAX 1700, DIAVEL V4) than a BIG FAT CRUISER. Damned thing looks like a 2 wheeled Caterpillar 994K, nothing sporty about that.
Tiger Sport 1200 to compete with the S1000XR. And for the love of God, don't give IT the same horrid face of the 660 & new 800.
EDIT: TWIN CLOCKS FTW. 😎👍
That side profile of tiger is how the new v2 panigale looks almost 😅
I wish they'd do some update tweaks to the Speed Master.
baby tiger pls, or baby scrambler for off road
Some great bikes but our local dealer in Plymouth has just gone in to receivership 😮😮
Triumph Plymouth gone bust today
Now we need a touring capable Tiger Sport 1200 with 17 inch wheels and adaptive cruise control.
Soooo, all new or upgraded are the best?
Why is it that Triumph will not pay proper attention to what the consumer tells them about the rider information display.
i like speed twin 900
Waited for the Tigers. Oh well.
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hoping they will make a tiger 400 rally😊
Have they got a road worn one with loads of dings and scratches and rust?
Triumph gonna go down that Jaguar road . . .
I wish Triumph would keep supporting the connectivity module rather than just producing it and walking away.
Goody goody all the less crazy teched older model are going to be hot commodities now
Not going to be a classic model year for Triumph in 25 I think. As I mentioned before, why have they mucked about with (ruined) the Speed Twin 1200 and what's going on with the Evel Rocket. Surely it makes more sense to offer a tribute bike to his memory, using a scrambler as a base. I don`t think even he would have tried that jump at Wembley with a Rocket 3. Marketing department I think have dropped the ball with this one...
I take none. Still waiting for an upgraded Daytona not in cc but the same techs included in the new TridentThen im home
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Re the MX bike. Your only reading sales blurb so a little information wouldn’t hurt
With every update their retro bikes get less and less appealing. They had it down a decade ago with the air cooled models, it's a bloody shame. What's the point of spending extra on a retro bike when it's barely even trying to be retro? Atleast the Trident update is looking good, apart from the ugly dash those look like a great buy. I hope they update the Daytona 660 with that cruise control soon, would make it a great sport tourer.
No tiger 1200 🤯!
Huge mistake from Triumph with the single budget dash on the 1200 Speed Twin. Especially the RS model at 14.5 grand. Come on Triumph you can do better than this.
If Triumph offers analog clocks on the Speed Twin 1200 I will buy one. Until then…No.
A 660 scrambler?
Thruxton 400 when
why would you put the bike specs to cover half of the screen so that you cant see the images of the bikes themselves
Shame my local Triumph dealer has just gone bust..... Triumph not doing as well as they would have us believe, Real shame.
That dash triumph using on cheaper bikes is so awful
That brushed headlight rim and horrible round clock has ruined the Speed Twin 1200. Throwing a few leftover Thruxton bits at it is treating customers like fools. Ill stay with my vastly superior Thruxton RS
The best was saved for last. Save the date November 30th
What happens then?
@@davidemartorana4708 some british bike exhibition
This or 2025 GSX900?
They need to change the guage or get a better tft screen in lower models, this design looks dated and boring
Whoever just bought a tiger 660 will be kicking themselves
I do not understand Triumph, who push themselves as a premium brand, continuing with the one button cruise control 🤔? It can’t be that much more expensive to do a full featured cruise control. Let’s face it even the Chinese bikes have it.🤨
The only bikes that really need Brembo brakes are the supersport class of bikes. They are just totally unnecessary for most bikes.
God that dash on the Street Twin is bloody hideous. It's so bad it could have been designed by Jaguars marketing department.
When are they going to get some bal** and put the CBR1100XX or CBR1300XX on the road???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? There is a market for it
The rocket 3 is a joke. Sure the engine is cool, lots of torque. But over 700lbs? No thank you🤭
Far from a "joke". Consider the bikes that it is built to compete with... it's supposed to be that "muscle cruiser" type bike. Look at what a Harley weighs.
That 1200 digital dash is trash. Triumph clearly dont know their target audience
What’s wrong with it? I genuinely don’t know.
Ask TDubs kid how he likes his triumph. You don't own a new triumph it's their tech and only triumph can access it. Hi tech is ruining motorcycles.
I don’t like the special Evel ones, he was riding more o a Harley and the Triumph he rode was a Bonnie…make a special Bonnie then..
Bro you gotta stay off the free merch these companies are gifting you. Your reviews are all the same, Glorifying stupid companies that do not need to be glorified.
Adv bikes are just so damn ugly, i dont understand the hype
Because they are practical for touring…
@@timinnonot really.
Do you buy bikes for the looks?
Multistrada v2s is not an ugly bike
That's your opinion. Many of us like the look. They're also really comfortable and brilliant for touring.
Their bikes have become too gizmo and tech-heavy for me. Also way too blacked out. We're a long ways from the Hinckley made, air cooled, hand-painted, 180 crank, chromed 2005 Triumph Bonneville T100.
In 2024 you get stickers instead of paint, black cases, black rims, instruments that you can't see when the sun shines on it, cell phone connection crapola, 270 crank twins, and brakes that do their own thing. Oh well. In the marketplace, I guess Triumph is selling the squids what they want. But I wouldn't buy one. They are "classic" style bikes in name only.
Speed twin no thanks with the single clock, and they couldn't even put it in the centre 🤦🏻
Loads of old men at the show