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Just a reminder that the 3070 Mobile had 84% of the performance of its desktop counterpart, while the 4070 Mobile has only 55% of the power of its desktop version.
That's because the 4070 mobild really just is a 4060 desktop in disguise. I believe that the 4060M also uses the same GPU, which is also why the jump from 4060 to 4070 is negligible on laptops - the opposite of what you see on desktops. That's why it's almost never a good deal to upgrade from a 4060 to a 4070 on laptops.
reason i dint jump the gun with 4070 mobile. thing is just underwhelming it will bug me as long as i use it on the other hand im not comfortable dropping another thousand bucks for 4080
@@GM-wx8ni That's not even the piss-off here. What actually is a piss-off is, MSI adding the "AI" name for absolutely no reason. Despite them having ) AI "functionality".
Alex is a true asset to LMG, probably the best and most knowledgeable reviewer they have these days. No OTT fake behaviour for the camera, just decent presenting! Nice!
The Stealth GS77 i got a few years ago (i9, 64GB Ram, RTX 3080Ti) is still running strong, no issues whatsoever. I have heard the hinges on MSI are really bad but this one seems to be the exception.
The Msi hinge problem is mostly referring to recent but not most recent designs (GF63 thin, katana etc) that sadly weren't built well Older models like the gs63 and high end models (both new and old so vector/raider/stealth/titan etc) tend to be built quite well, my GS66 from 2020 with a 2070super is still going strong
I was planning between getting the gs77 or this and I know the a16 is of course newer im just curious to ask if the build quality and extra 600 is worth it. Plus I can get 2 year warranty for free on top for the gs77. Any thoughts?
I agree. My last few laptops have been MSIs and they are absolute workhorses. I bought a GS65 Stealth a few years ago and mine too is still running strong
Nothing is more gamer-like than that keyboard. If it really wants to be a stealthy laptop, they gotta change the font, and I don't mind it not having RGB backlight since I usually don't use it and makes it look more "normal", plus maybe it'll reduce the cost
I don't think a dragon logo, even if hard to notice, suggests that it's an atypical "business" laptop. Also, that's quite possibly the most unusable numb pad I've ever seen on a laptop. I'm very surprised Alex didn't even mention that. Dumb question but can you just switch out the wifi on most laptops? I always figured that whatever a laptop's wifi was just part of the mobo and not upgradeable....or that the chipset determined it
depends on the laptop, but yes there's a standard slot for wifi cards, and like ram some manufacturers will solder it to the main board rather than make it swappable.
It's usually an M.2 slot, though it doesn't support SSDs, just the WiFi. Don't expect to see one on any recent MacBook, but most Windows laptops (unless it's an ultrabook) have it.
I picked up an MSI Vector 16 HX with RTX 4080, no complaints, love it. Second MSI I have purchased, last one still ran when I retired it at 6 years of age.
@xnutzii your telling me that because of screen recording that his RTX 4070 is at 90% utilization. I would understand if it was intel laptop budget gpus, but its not
@@hey_how_are_ya Well, my RX 7900 XTX gets quite the high usage at 1440p (360hz), so I can't really say for sure. I was sure it's just the video codec having the high utilisation, but it didn't. Can't really know for sure - maybe they had the game running in the background and it doesn't support loss of focus.
This intro made me spend 3 minutes trying to find out why the audio wasn't working, cause Factorio's volume was fine on my other monitor... I was playing the first few seconds over and over again to troubleshoot.
This is like as souped up version of the thinkpad P1G7 but with AMD. On that topic, slotted wifi card is great to see, even though Qualcomm has improved their WiFi card drivers, Intel still does it better, and having a WiFi card slot means you can always swap it out
Yet another LTT laptop review video that failed to mention Linux compatibility. A live Linux USB stick and 30 mins from the Labs team would be long enough to run through a hardware checklist, but nope we don't even get that. Webcam and wi-fi are the two things most likely to have Linux issues - there's no way I'm buying a $2000 laptop without knowing if the hardware all works in Linux.
My setup typically cuts off the first 1-2 seconds of audio so I restart videos most of the time. I kept restarting the video, my audio was still not working for the first few seconds. My brain was about to have an aneurism. Thanks comments.
i can confirm that the battery life sucks speakers meh keyboard rgb sucks honestly if could i would go back in time save myself the trouble and buy an old g16 with rtx 3070ti.
Well I bought an msi stealth a few years ago. The thermals were absolutely horrible out of the box. The motherboard melted itself after a few months. A friend also bought one with a different gpu and had his motherboard melt. 3k in the trash. STAY AWAY FROM MSI PRODUCTS, they really don’t give a s*it. Seeing this video just gives me ptsd.
I just bought a Lenovo LOQ laptop and the mode it is in definitely makes a difference! The GPU and CPU are limited in Silent and I think even in Auto P.S. The speakers are gaaaaarbage on my laptop, fyi if someone is looking into it. Other than that its awesome.
As much as i don't have a problem with a manufacturer sponsoring a video about their product, its very evident that Alex went really easy on the laptop compared to what he would usually say. A but disappointing
That charger is the reason u use msi/Lenovo! Their 5V and3V don't break as often as Asus/dell's (especially the low end laptops with barrel jack 🤮). Would have that rectangular charger any day!
You can tell that this was paid af - No speaker comparison with MacBook/XPS that is usually here - No Valheim/only 1 specific game without even telling the settings, so the fans won't blow as hard as they should, I guess - No Display color coverage/response times provided - Overall really those attempts to stick out things that are quite average look really weird - Also as someone else pointed out in the comments - charging cable on the Mose side of the laptop P.S.: Not really hating, was the user of GS66 and GE62 for a long time, but those laptops definitely have their downsides.
Wait wait what? You just glossed over the fact that they glued the laptop shut and that the screws are only for aesthetics? I feel like that's a pretty huge deal!
Looks really neat. About the battery, is that under heavy load or idle?? What would count as being under heavy load? I would appreciate that being clarified. It would also be great if there were two times given. one for left at idle and one for when being used.
Qualcomm Wi-Fi because Mediatek MT7927 is still scarce and Intel BE200 still can't be used on AMD I hope it can be used on Linux tho, never tried Qualcomm on Linux
@@fooboomoo so you're now using Intel BE200 on an AMD CPU? Well i dunno but many people have complained they can't get Intel BE200 to work on AMD, you can try searching and see how many got affected
A video of Alex featuring a laptop, and he didn't play Vlaheim?? What alternate universe is this! Great video though. Debating between this and the ROG Zephyrus g16
I don't understand the numpad on the laptop, the keys just become too squeezed together. I swear every laptop I see that I like the specs always has some weird keyboard layout. I don't understand why laptop manufacturers aren't just copying the MacBook keyboard, since to me that's the top tier in terms of laptop keyboards. The surface tried but didn't match the same build quality in my opinion. I'm probably like the 1% though that cares about this
I DID IT!!! I SOLVED THE PROBLEM WITH MY FC8 Alpha build! I swapped the A12 9800 APU for a Ryzen 2600E I bought from China. Yes, E variants are so rare I had to buy from another country. I hooked up an RX 6400 and BAM! It finally posts. Now I can hopefully setup both Windows 7/10 on 2 drives: 7 for 860 Evo M.2 SATA, and 10 for the 960 Pro 2TB, MLC NAND BABY. I'm also attempting to use an M.2 to PCIe cable that I pretty much bent to get it running the other way to the 5mm disc drive opening for a capture card. Here's hoping all goes according to plan.
It's insane how literally every LTT channel is just sponsored videos these days. No spine. 600 nits is good? really? Even more is insane how these laptops cost the same as a macbook pro and they still perform and look like they're from 2013. Wouldn't want one for free
Thanks to MSI for sponsoring this video!
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"AI" Spyware is a no start for me.
@aj.j5833 There’s not even a single AI crap in here. It’s just all for the naming “hype”
New audio jumpscare: silence.
They went Interstellar
lol I thought my headphones were broken at first.
That might be the most well executed joke that they’ve ever pulled on this channel, every single person thought their audio was broken
bro i thought my audio broke not cool
They got us good 😂😂
First time it isn't a stupid bug of youtube
My BT speaker really disconnects randomly sometimes like that, but this time I was fooled by Alex 😂😂
same!!
same wtf I was trying to fix it
I turn up the volume because of that. 😂
bro had me thinking my speakers died
Just a reminder that the 3070 Mobile had 84% of the performance of its desktop counterpart, while the 4070 Mobile has only 55% of the power of its desktop version.
That's because the 4070 mobild really just is a 4060 desktop in disguise. I believe that the 4060M also uses the same GPU, which is also why the jump from 4060 to 4070 is negligible on laptops - the opposite of what you see on desktops. That's why it's almost never a good deal to upgrade from a 4060 to a 4070 on laptops.
especially with Nvidia being so stingy with vram.
@@fooboomoo now now, they wouldn't want shunt modding to become viable
Where can I find a handy chart or table for this info?
reason i dint jump the gun with 4070 mobile. thing is just underwhelming it will bug me as long as i use it
on the other hand im not comfortable dropping another thousand bucks for 4080
I really really hate how so many companies add ai to the name it is like big data back in the day it has nothing to do with ai.
Machine learning wasn’t buzzy enough so here we are
@@GM-wx8ni Lot harder to sell people on Spyware as well, that is what it actually is.
@@GM-wx8ni You mean Spyware.
@@GM-wx8ni That's not even the piss-off here. What actually is a piss-off is, MSI adding the "AI" name for absolutely no reason. Despite them having ) AI "functionality".
Big data, then VR, then Internet of things, now AI. What comes next?
Got me good on the audio silence in the beginning 😂
Alex is a true asset to LMG, probably the best and most knowledgeable reviewer they have these days. No OTT fake behaviour for the camera, just decent presenting! Nice!
The Stealth GS77 i got a few years ago (i9, 64GB Ram, RTX 3080Ti) is still running strong, no issues whatsoever. I have heard the hinges on MSI are really bad but this one seems to be the exception.
Interestimg… The previous gen was absolutely horrible. The thing had such horrible thermals it melted its motherboard.
The Msi hinge problem is mostly referring to recent but not most recent designs (GF63 thin, katana etc) that sadly weren't built well
Older models like the gs63 and high end models (both new and old so vector/raider/stealth/titan etc) tend to be built quite well, my GS66 from 2020 with a 2070super is still going strong
I was planning between getting the gs77 or this and I know the a16 is of course newer im just curious to ask if the build quality and extra 600 is worth it. Plus I can get 2 year warranty for free on top for the gs77. Any thoughts?
I agree. My last few laptops have been MSIs and they are absolute workhorses. I bought a GS65 Stealth a few years ago and mine too is still running strong
Nothing is more gamer-like than that keyboard. If it really wants to be a stealthy laptop, they gotta change the font, and I don't mind it not having RGB backlight since I usually don't use it and makes it look more "normal", plus maybe it'll reduce the cost
I restarted the app at least 5 times and then restarted my phone.... Well done.
You didnt
no comments about the stupid charge cable sticking out of the right side of the laptop where you usually have a mouse, specially for gaming?
they put the power jack in the middle of the right side!?!?!??!
Yeah lol, wth. I feel like.... Aneurysm will explode in my brain, after seeing it. Maybe type c has power throughput
The mic actually sounds exceptional. Maybe the cancelling isn't as good, but it's very clear and picks up even the volume and tone drops.
Finally a "review". Somehow this laptop is rare to find a review on.
Didn't you see the "Sponsored by MSI" text in the intro?That means this video is an advertisement.Shortcircuit likes to do a lot of these😭
Cool laptop, combines "stealth" and gaming, that's something
I don't know if it is just because it's different but I really like the muted rgb being more of a color shifting backlight.
not the sam raimi spiderman font 💀
That power button tho..🤣very good spot to confuse with Backspace
I thought my audio was messed up in the beginning lmao I have been bamboozled
"Wow, a laptop with AI!" - said nobody ever
What’s with the audio ??? 0:18
AI voice correction since he probably said the wrong model. They have done it for a while now
It’s a stealthy laptop even being slammed into a table
I don't think a dragon logo, even if hard to notice, suggests that it's an atypical "business" laptop.
Also, that's quite possibly the most unusable numb pad I've ever seen on a laptop. I'm very surprised Alex didn't even mention that.
Dumb question but can you just switch out the wifi on most laptops? I always figured that whatever a laptop's wifi was just part of the mobo and not upgradeable....or that the chipset determined it
depends on the laptop, but yes there's a standard slot for wifi cards, and like ram some manufacturers will solder it to the main board rather than make it swappable.
It's usually an M.2 slot, though it doesn't support SSDs, just the WiFi. Don't expect to see one on any recent MacBook, but most Windows laptops (unless it's an ultrabook) have it.
"Being gentle" = being rough
I picked up an MSI Vector 16 HX with RTX 4080, no complaints, love it. Second MSI I have purchased, last one still ran when I retired it at 6 years of age.
4:14 dude whats eating your GPU?
screen recording
@xnutzii your telling me that because of screen recording that his RTX 4070 is at 90% utilization. I would understand if it was intel laptop budget gpus, but its not
@@hey_how_are_ya Well, my RX 7900 XTX gets quite the high usage at 1440p (360hz), so I can't really say for sure. I was sure it's just the video codec having the high utilisation, but it didn't. Can't really know for sure - maybe they had the game running in the background and it doesn't support loss of focus.
It feels like we've never waited for LTT to cover a new MacBook Pro for longer than this after release... VALIDATE MY PURCHASE DECISION GOD DAMMIT
This intro made me spend 3 minutes trying to find out why the audio wasn't working, cause Factorio's volume was fine on my other monitor... I was playing the first few seconds over and over again to troubleshoot.
I'm so sick of AI being forced into everything that it's an immediate red flag and turns me off from the product.
Seems like it would be nice with a non-jank speaker setup too...
Unreal timing, I was JUST rewatching the laptop playlist when this dropped 😁
never trusting msi after having their flimsy hinges shatter on me just after warranty ended
I was actually thinking of buying this model. I'll stay away from MSI.
@@thundergato84if you want a similar type of laptop get the Asus Zephyrus g16
@@thundergato84 To be fair had one of their older stealths for 5 years and no problems. Lost some black paint on the alloy but generally good.
This is like as souped up version of the thinkpad P1G7 but with AMD. On that topic, slotted wifi card is great to see, even though Qualcomm has improved their WiFi card drivers, Intel still does it better, and having a WiFi card slot means you can always swap it out
1:38 except if the 4070 is kneecapped by wattage then it'll be worse than 4060 of a gaming laptop
4070s really don't see much extra performance at all past 100 watts
Hey LTT tram could you do a video on assisted listening device servers? Like the ListenEverywhere and AudioFetch Express?
Who won the laptop? Also how do I check if I did? Never got any confirmation on all my entries
4:40 on 8GB? Not much GPU memory for any AI training or processing
blame nvidia....
Yeah, they don't offer more, since 2020. 8 gigs that's it.
Great review, thanks for doing this. Quick question: Does the STEALTH located at the back lights up? If yes, how? Thanks
Audio not playing at start of videos is an actual problem I have sometimes with my bluetooth earphones. I had to check so many things.
Yet another LTT laptop review video that failed to mention Linux compatibility. A live Linux USB stick and 30 mins from the Labs team would be long enough to run through a hardware checklist, but nope we don't even get that. Webcam and wi-fi are the two things most likely to have Linux issues - there's no way I'm buying a $2000 laptop without knowing if the hardware all works in Linux.
That's what I've been looking for but sadly I can't finding anything for this model
My setup typically cuts off the first 1-2 seconds of audio so I restart videos most of the time. I kept restarting the video, my audio was still not working for the first few seconds. My brain was about to have an aneurism. Thanks comments.
That build in microphone is great
i can confirm that the battery life sucks
speakers meh
keyboard rgb sucks
honestly if could i would go back in time save myself the trouble and buy an old g16 with rtx 3070ti.
Just one suggestion,pls turn on dark mode before opening anything.
I own an MSI stealth laptop and it's been fine but the audio is horrible. Had to add a usb speaker.
So camm2 wouldn't reach those speeds? or would it add to much to the volume they were trying to achieve?
1:40 yeah cool, what about the hinge?
Well I bought an msi stealth a few years ago. The thermals were absolutely horrible out of the box. The motherboard melted itself after a few months. A friend also bought one with a different gpu and had his motherboard melt. 3k in the trash. STAY AWAY FROM MSI PRODUCTS, they really don’t give a s*it. Seeing this video just gives me ptsd.
40+ NTOPS - VERY Intelligent Switching!!
love when laptopguy does review laptop 👍🏻 sry for bad english
Have they reworked the hinges yet
I just bought a Lenovo LOQ laptop and the mode it is in definitely makes a difference! The GPU and CPU are limited in Silent and I think even in Auto
P.S. The speakers are gaaaaarbage on my laptop, fyi if someone is looking into it. Other than that its awesome.
loq is awesome u get custom mode to set temp power limit , fan speed really awesome for price
Is there a keybind to disable your trackpad so that when you use a mouse your keyboard hand wont mess with your trackpad
Does anyone know the wattage of this laptop's graphics card? Total Graphics Power?
What was originally in the script as over dubbed for 1tb drive?
I refreshed the video thinking the audio wasn't working.
Very nice stealth intro
I restarted my phone 3 times and even my computer wondering why it wasn't working. Goddamnit
Yoh the panic i had for those few seconds
Where is the ai+ section of the video?
That power port location looks terrible. On the middle on the right side, it looks like it would get in the way of a mouse
As much as i don't have a problem with a manufacturer sponsoring a video about their product, its very evident that Alex went really easy on the laptop compared to what he would usually say. A but disappointing
I was installing some packages on my Linux distro, the intro made me thought I broke something.
I would be interested in a 14" AMD equipped like that, and not with intel core ultra
Bro I spend a good 10 mins checking and replugging my speakers thinking my audio was broken
i had to adjust my volume knob because of you
That charger is the reason u use msi/Lenovo! Their 5V and3V don't break as often as Asus/dell's (especially the low end laptops with barrel jack 🤮). Would have that rectangular charger any day!
The 4060 model costs 2000usd in my country , but it's one of the cheapest full metal build laptop
I work on my ROG Ally. It's amusing when people notice it and then become perplexed by what I'm doing.
Got me with that intro 🤣
Wow fuck the bots.
That’s what they want you to believe you can do
Lulz @@Techmej
The angles your shooting at are not clear.
You can tell that this was paid af
- No speaker comparison with MacBook/XPS that is usually here
- No Valheim/only 1 specific game without even telling the settings, so the fans won't blow as hard as they should, I guess
- No Display color coverage/response times provided
- Overall really those attempts to stick out things that are quite average look really weird
- Also as someone else pointed out in the comments - charging cable on the Mose side of the laptop
P.S.: Not really hating, was the user of GS66 and GE62 for a long time, but those laptops definitely have their downsides.
you don't really need an "AI Engine" to switch between office mode and gaming mode
Wait wait what? You just glossed over the fact that they glued the laptop shut and that the screws are only for aesthetics? I feel like that's a pretty huge deal!
I refreshed 5 times thinking the yt player sound was bugged 😂
I WAS EXPECTING AN EARTH SHATTERING KABOOM? WHERE IS MY EARTH SHATTERING KABOOM?
Just got new headphones and thought they cut out again.....
Looks really neat. About the battery, is that under heavy load or idle?? What would count as being under heavy load? I would appreciate that being clarified. It would also be great if there were two times given. one for left at idle and one for when being used.
Not me turning my volume all the way up for the first 5 seconds 🤣
Qualcomm Wi-Fi because Mediatek MT7927 is still scarce and Intel BE200 still can't be used on AMD
I hope it can be used on Linux tho, never tried Qualcomm on Linux
i may be misunderstanding something, but i just swapped out the m.2 wifi card in my AMD laptop and everything works fine
@@fooboomoo so you're now using Intel BE200 on an AMD CPU? Well i dunno but many people have complained they can't get Intel BE200 to work on AMD, you can try searching and see how many got affected
What is to the left just off camera?? Was this a forced review at weopon point?!
Why are they using a WIRED gamepad
A video of Alex featuring a laptop, and he didn't play Vlaheim?? What alternate universe is this! Great video though. Debating between this and the ROG Zephyrus g16
How about some Tablet Reviews, plex just messaged me and told me that my Kindle will stop receiving support soon.
I don't understand the numpad on the laptop, the keys just become too squeezed together. I swear every laptop I see that I like the specs always has some weird keyboard layout. I don't understand why laptop manufacturers aren't just copying the MacBook keyboard, since to me that's the top tier in terms of laptop keyboards. The surface tried but didn't match the same build quality in my opinion. I'm probably like the 1% though that cares about this
Bruh, i thought my new headphones started having the same issues my older one had by randomly connecting and disconnecting.
0:01 "**** who's bluetooth did i connect to"
I DID IT!!! I SOLVED THE PROBLEM WITH MY FC8 Alpha build! I swapped the A12 9800 APU for a Ryzen 2600E I bought from China. Yes, E variants are so rare I had to buy from another country. I hooked up an RX 6400 and BAM! It finally posts. Now I can hopefully setup both Windows 7/10 on 2 drives: 7 for 860 Evo M.2 SATA, and 10 for the 960 Pro 2TB, MLC NAND BABY. I'm also attempting to use an M.2 to PCIe cable that I pretty much bent to get it running the other way to the 5mm disc drive opening for a capture card. Here's hoping all goes according to plan.
Down the hall...
@@emptywig Thanks to you I learned a new idiom.
4:35 8gb!? 😢
The GPU has 8 GB. The system RAM is 32 GB.
Guess I'll go and appreciate my TUF A16 for being only 0.2lb heavier and keep waiting for Strix Halo APU laptops that use half the power! 😎👌
I can’t even
World class prank.
business in the back, party in the front
Thanks to the intro I now spent 5 minutes trying to fix the audio on my PC.😅
Time to wait 5 years so the price finally drops down to something realistic, like one grand.
New fead unlocked 😢 in the starting
Ok, I fell for that broken audio joke so hard
Oh, I get it. M = MSI = mute shortcut
It's insane how literally every LTT channel is just sponsored videos these days. No spine. 600 nits is good? really? Even more is insane how these laptops cost the same as a macbook pro and they still perform and look like they're from 2013. Wouldn't want one for free