The thing I don’t like about bumper cam is that I can’t see any of the car that I’m driving....which makes me sad given how beautiful some of the cars/liveries are lol
@@jodysisk3871 Being comfortable and happy with how your equipment looks makes you perform a lot better, I can guarantee and I'm adamant about it. It's more satisfying to drive which let's me push myself further
I started on Cockpit, then went to Bumper and I'm currently using Bonnet. Bonnet gives me a better feel of the car dimensions and helps me judging my turning points and car placement. I'm missing that rear view mirror though.
I have vision issues and couldn't change now if I wanted to, but almost 20 years ago when I started on GT3 I chose bumper cam. Hypertensive Retinopathy in my right eye causes focus issues and things don't always line up right. From the start though I realized that if I can see the car, I can' be the car. With bumper cam, I am the car.
i've always felt that GT has been engineered to work best with bumper cam; it's definitely giving you the most easily legible version of the HUD. but in any driving game, bumper = best camera for sensation of speed, Cockpit = best camera for immersion, chase cam = best for spatial awareness and peripheral vision, bonnet cam = good combination of all. and as for which is "best", it's subjective based on what you're looking for in the game, really. and you're right, having your view of the apexes occluded by a dashboard is probably suboptimal in terms of raw speed
With limitations and all, have only used cockpit view and never even tried any other. Love it for its immersion and coolness of different dash layouts offering different levels of visibility.
Bumper cam and bonnet cam are both great. I’ve alway found bumper cam better. But bumper cam can have one very bad down fall. When you’re behind someone, it can be hard to spot your brake marker as the cam is close to the ground. Bonnet cam doesn’t have that problem, what can help a lot in races
Always used bumper cam, seems most natural to me, plus the rear view mirror helps. Bonnet cam is actually roof cam... at least that's how it feels to me.
Bumper cam is not on the bonnet nor the bumper, it's in the helmet, but the view is altered to that of the cockpit view even though its location is identical
During the GT5/GT6 era i was used to the Bonnet view, to learn the track better (corners, lines, braking points). I did the switch from that to Chase cam once GT sport released, to understand better where the car physically is on track, adding a little extra help for myself when battling as i can see better circumstances (also because past GTs chase cam werent that good like in GT Sport imo) Totally personal this: there are players who prefer to see the road and just the road, or people that would like to have a higher view of everything while racing...Very cool video Tidge ^^
I’ve started using the cockpit camera because in other games like ACC and iRacing, the cockpit cam is the only one you can use (to my knowledge) so if I practice being in the cockpit here then I can translate to other games and will feel ok with the camera setup
I've used bumper cam since I started playing with a wheel. I'd like to experiment with bonnet cam a bit, but I can't give up the rear view mirror and bumper cam's superior HUD.
I find the hud in bumper cam very distracting now. It can catch my eye at moments and cause some mistakes. But I still alway use bumper cam I just wish I could turn of the hud all together.
I used chase cam for years from GT1 through the GT Sport. The Green Hell circuit experience pushed me to bumper cam and I kept with that for almost 3 years. Last year I switched to bonnet cam because it gave me a better (higher) view of cars in front and to the sides. Helped me react quicker to other drivers. I'm still on that cam view. I just wish we could adjust the viewing options. Like adding rear and/or side view mirrors.
I use bumper cam always, but it really needs option to be raised. As it is when you get really close to car in front then your entire screen gets filled with only that😛😂
I raced on GT with the bonnet cam for some 6 months before I tried out the bumper cam and switched to it. Having the virtual mirror helps a lot, and the position is always the same, as I couldn't feel comfortable on some cars where the bonnet camera would actually be positioned on the roof.
I used to use bumper cam a lot, switched to bonnet or chase cam for a few games now I just use Cockpit cam since getting a sim being fully immersed into the car feels amazing
All views should get the digital rear view mirror. I like cockpit view as it’s more immersive and I think it prepares you better for real life racing and other Sims like iracing.
iRacing is the most "stuck up" sim out there, all the other sims are less restrictive with what camera you can use also I don't think your simracing camera matters for real life driving - unless you play on a big 180 degree triple monitor setup, real life view is very different from what you see in games. especially if you don't set your FOV to realistic values
@@vsm1456 stuck up? These Sims are supposed to simulate real racing and cockpit view is the closest to reality. Can real race drivers use bonnet cam or hood cam?
@@craigyirush3492 Do real race drivers drive on a monitor? Do they drive from home and can't feel the car movement with their own body? Well, maybe "stuck up" is a wrong word here, but this is where I come from: 1) All racing sims are supposed to simulate real racing, but none of them can do it identical to real life. 2) They all have their pros and cons in how they simulate car physics. 3) They all are limited in how to deliver the racing experience to players: triple monitors or VR, plus motion rig is the best you can get. 4) Every sim is a piece of software, a compromise with a lot of disadvantages compared to real life but also with a lot of advantages like how much money you spend on it, crashing without injuries, changing setups, tyres, fuel with a click of a button, cars can be 100% reliable, you can use various input methods (including keyboard-like devices without "analog" output), various ways to change gears, etc. Where do you draw the line between what can be considered an acceptable advantage for a user and what can not? Every sim does it a bit differently and out of all the sims iRacing has the most restrictive and the most purist, elitist stance on that, while being just yet another racing sim with its own strong sides and weak sides, in physics including.
I used to race in cockpit religiously, but started running into issues swapping from LHD to RHD cars. So, a year ago I switched to bumper and never looked back. Again, it has a mirror and allows me to see apexes a lot easier at most tracks.
I always used chase cam on the previous GT games racing vs. AI, because the point of the games was the cars and how good they looked. But with GT Sport, racing against real people I've always used bumper cam. Hood cam a little, but I always liked the bumper or "Invisible Car cam" I called it. It feels best for the car reactions and is the best for view. I'm still pretty slow, but at least I know the view isn't holding me back, my lack of talent does that! Great vid Tidge.
@@tidgney Feel free to tout the idea next time your at Poly HQ! It should be pretty easy to implement really, especially if it were the bottom right corner. Anyway interesting video, keep up the good work and guides, cheers pal
I've had the best luck with the hood (bonnet) cam... The bumper and cockpit you can't see around the other cars and the chase cam you can't tell how far away the guy ahead is when you're racing hard.
I'm Cockpit view since day 1. I tried bumper view but i wasn't enjoying the game as much. i'm still A-S.. but i don't play everyday... when gt7 is out i will still be using cockpit view.
imo at the esports level the camera should be locked to cockpit, sure the view you get isn't amazing and could do with some tweaking but irl you're not sat in the middle of the car (except open wheelers, mclaren f1 etc.) with a perfect view of the road right in front of you
Strangely enough I am quicker in cockpit view. But racing I have to use bonnet cam or bumper. I think in cockpit view I am more patient with the throttle and tend not to over speed the corners therefore getting a better line. I think GT7 with VR will be a life changing experience for myself.
Hood cam for me. Biggest benefit: you can see your braking markers even if a you have a car in front of you. Biggest downfall: you have to switch between radar and fuel saving gauge which wouldn't be necessary if I was on bumper cam. Rear view mirror of course.
Always used bumper cam. I like my rear view mirror, unobscured view, and feels most reactive to wheel inputs to me. It's only disadvantage in my opinion is driving close behind other cars, very hard to see ahead from low bumper perspective.
Bonnet/roof cam simply because i can see my car and accurately place my wheels where i need them. Also can see ahead when side by side and behind cars and traffic.
I watched this video thinking "interesting, but I am not going to try it as I tried bumper cam when I first started gts a year ago, and I didn't care for it". I tried it anyway - beat my Tokyo quali time by .3 within a half hour! You're right mind blown!
Always used bumper cam, even when I used a controller. The camera being lower to the ground also gives an increased feeling of speed. It can be difficult to see braking points etc though when you’re right behind someone in close battles, so it does have its disadvantages too.
I 100% find I am quicker in the bumper cam, and love having the the rear view mirror. The times I switch to bonnet cam is for things like the Chicken at Dragon trail sea side, I often find I underestimate the width of the car and clip the barriers in bumper cam. It can also be harder to see your break markers in bumper cam compared to bonnet cam when racing close.
The bumper camera is perfect if you have a clean space in front of you. If things get too messy or too many cars get involved in the scene, you can't see the track. The hood camera I prefer to use when the race is very close quarter combat style ... That's it for me. As always, top content @Tidgney
Interesting. I race cockpit nearly exclusively. Though not in the modern GR1 cars, or where it isn't available. I find it easiest to judge the width of the car, though lack of visibility is hard in some cars. So is lack of rear view in others. Chase can is out of the question. Hood cam is okay to pick out the edges of the car, but lack of rear view is a big problem. Bumper view is the least obstructed, but you have no idea where the edge of the car is and turn in is compromised because you are positioned ahead of the front wheels. It would be nice if we could race in VR or at least have triple screen compatibility. GT Sport lags behind some of the other driving simulators out there.
Some of my fastest laps come from the cockpit cam, but I use bonnet cam a lot as well, chase is for replays, it’s easy to run into ppl with bumper cam the POV is off by about 7-10ft
I always used to use cockpit cam, when I switched to using manual transmission I changed to bumper cam. I don't really remember why but when I did it made me feel more attuned to the car and where it was on the track. I use bonnet cam in ACC and Dirt Rally but GT Sport's is too high, the camera's mounted on the roof half the time and cornering just doesn't feel natural.
I like bumper but find it's hard to race close behind other cars so end up going with bonnet most of the time, especially on tracks with lots of bump drafting
I’ve always used bumper cam in the past, but I never played online too much. I now use bonnet cam due to how difficult it is to gauge the braking zones when your view is obscured by opponents in online races in bumper cam…
I played GT1 and GT2 in bumper cam as a kid. I didn't play and racing games again until I got GT Sport. When I started in GTS I was using Bonnet cam, but then I switched to bumper cam and I am a little faster too. I think I agree with the kid instincts comment you made.
I also prefer bumper cam except when I need to see past the car in front, like in a slipstream train on the straight at Tokyo. There I‘m using bonnet cam, but change back to bumper before the corner.
I used bumps for years and only recently transitioned over to bonnet cam in the last year due to picking up penalties in the red bull ring . That final corner kept getting me over and over agin so I switched over and was able to have a “visual “ representation of where my tires would be and I stoped constantly getting penalties in that corner
Good video Tidge. Funny that I always used to use bumper cam on Gran Turismo 1 and 2, but when I started GT5, I switched to bonnet cam. Totally agree about cockpit being too restrictive. Never used chase cam, always seemed to Ridge Racer or Outrun like for me - too arcade like and not at all realistic, but hey, thats just me. Might try bumper cam again for a laugh, see how I get on.
I love the bumper cam alot. Especially when i drove my favorite Epson Nsx 2008. It makes me more quicker and it helps you feel the car whenever you have problems with it. 😉 x
Hey Tidgney, bonnet cam is def the best for looking where you are going, especially for racing the children from Japan who like to ram and block like the immature kids they are. It does give no rear view though. It lets you see up ahead and the apexes best. With your track guides it has given me an extra couple of seconds a lap. Bumper cam is useless once you get behind a bunch of cars. I used to drive in cockpit cam for the immersion effect, but as you proved, lack of vision. Great vid!!!
Bumper cam for me. I find that it replicates what I "see" at track days that I have done. The. brain, or at least mine, ignores everything inside the car other than the dash instruments, and in my seating positions I can't see my hood (bonnet). The rear view mirror is essential and part of "the scan."
I find bonnet cam is a nice balance between seeing where I’m going apex wise but being able to see opponents by my side and keeping clear. Bumper has a hidden box which I sometimes find hard to avoid accidentally tapping someone who to me seems far enough away.
The only issue I have with the bumper cam during races is that I feel like it puts you too low on the view. Depending on the track can make it harder to look ahead
But it makes you go faster if you really know circuit first. You just have to practice racing the line of the race track and then once youre good enough. Then you able pull it through without crashing😉. Learning the circuit first will make you more proffesional you know
Bumper cam - again as mentioned that big rearview mirror helps so much and using the dials to judge car width and the line between speed and revs as a mid car pointer means placing car on or near apex is easy.
Like you, I prefer the bonnet camera. I don't know if it was faster for me but it was more 'comforable'. When I started rally racing, the chase camera was the fastest for me. I could actually see the track ahead for braking and corners.
Cockpit cam allows in all possible games, probably since PS2 games🤣😅 I recommend increase hight to +3 or +2 warning cockpit cam is the most difficult one and in some cars you see half or non of rear view mirror
I use bumper cam, have the mirror available to use and a great view of the track. Works for me. Does create a problem when close to others rear bumper though. Still my favorite.
its mad, i always used to use bumper cam on all gt games, for some reason went to bonnet, after this vid, went back to bumper, instantly found time, much more precise on the brakes and turn in, thank you
Chase cam pleb here, the switch to hood cam when I got a wheel didn’t quite work out. I may try bumper now that my sitting position is more fitting for it 🤔
FANTASTIC video !... I was on my little own doing same experiment and then moved from bonnet to bumper vision.. now if you join the "bumper club" 😉 it will be easier for me to follow your braking point video guidelines , since perspective is different and especially those on the tarmac get much more difficult to spot on time before you actually pass them....👍
I always use bumper cam! Because then there's no car, it's me and my eyes racing on the track. Cockpit view for me is just for exhibition, to show more immersive details when I'm using the racing rig if I'm showing the setup to anyone.
Bumper cam is the closest to correct fov in GTS, your brain doesn't have to work as hard when objects on the screen are closer to the size they are in real life, this makes driving in bumper cam feel the most natural.
If bonnet cam was consistent in its height and position then I would use that but it varies so much car to car. Therefore i use bumper cam unless I am stuck right behind someone and I need to see over them where I will switch to bonnet momentarily
Was doing cockpit for a while but now I'm finding I'm doing better with chase cam but I'm gonna try the bumper cam since a lot of people say it's really good
Bumper cam guy here. Reasons 1/ the "In Your Face Hud" lets you see you speed better as it is higher up so you judge corner speed without taking eyes off the track as much and 2/ that big ass mirror means you can keep an eye on what's about to happen behind you without changing cameras. Do we have a faster Tidgeny in out future?
Controller user here so I was on Chase but recently changed to hood/bonnet cam and now I'm even quicker! haven't tried bumper cam properly as my brief stint in it I couldn't understand the width of the car
Depends on what I'm doing and which car. Drifting is: click both sensitivity and angle up from 0 up to 1 then back down to 0 again to unlock the TRUE 0 0.0 chase cam. For racing: driver seat
This video interests me. I went for bumper cam first, in the way back when times. Then started watching Super GT on YT and saw him using bonnet cam so I tried it and started using it all the time. Then I noticed that on some cars, like this RCZ for example, the bonnet cam wasn't actually a bonnet cam, rather a roof cam. And that really messed up my performance on those cars. So now, I use bumper cam all the time. The only disadvantage of it IMO is when you're fighting or driving very close to someone it's very hard to judge exactly where you are on the track. When you have to brake and such, so in these situations I quickly change to bonnet cam until the overtake is complete and then change back to bumper and start using the mirror for defending.
Bumper cam is my favoured view but the main drawback is that when you're in traffic or right up behind another car you just can't see anything... So I switched to bonnet cam. Wish it had the mirror though!
Did you adjust cockpit and chase cam in the advanced settings? Cockpit can be moved way up, down, forward, and backward and the stiffness of chase can be freed up by making the two settings 0.0. Sorry if I missed you mentioning it.
I didn't change anything, as always with these tests I just use default because that's how the game was originally designed. Maybe I could go a bit quicker changing them but then it adds a lot of time in adjusting and testing I suspect :O!
i always used bonnet view, but you might of found something, maybe its from been a kid and always using bumper view with a controller.... the good very old days.
Changed to bumber cam bout 3 weeks ago from bonnet cam... instantly faster and find the car so much easier to handle/feels like im controlling the steering alot more from the front of car... bonnet cam feels lile your steering from the middle of the car for me😃👍
I noticed bumper cam is a bit faster for me, it’s great for time trial, not so much for racing when you’re behind someone’s bumper. So I keep using bonnet cam.
I'm fine with bumper and bonnet, cockpit depends not the car. In chase I struggle with the viewing, i look at the car and not on the exit of the next turn... The problem with the bonnet is the missing mirror. The problem with the bumper is the viewing in traffic, I've a lot of problems to see my break points and turning points. My wish would to be able adapt the height of the camera in the bumper view...
I used the Bonnet Cam from Gran Turismo 4's days up to early GT Sport, then I tried the Bumper Cam out of curiosity, and I also instantly went faster by a few tenths on Bathurst and used it since. I also find it convinient as the angle and height between cars doesn't change much compared to the Bonnet Cam :D
Bumper cam is the choice for me when using a wheel but if I’m using a pad I do better using the chase cam! I think this is down to progression through the early gt games chase cam was the norm but with time the natural upgrade to the force feedback Logitech official wheels g25-29 then thrustmaster T500 the view gradually changed to the bonnet view utilising the rear view and giving me a sense of being the car rather than following it giving an all round better gaming experience in my opinion, but that’s me and I know plenty of people who still prefer the chase cam overall but the bumper cam does seem to have the edge over the rest in regards to the overall lap times even if it is only a few hundredths per lap it all adds up in a race scenario
I use the bonnet cam. It allows me to keep an eye on my dimensions and not hit people and it allows me to see a higher eye line than bumper cam. However it needs the review mirror that the bumper has, wish it was an option, maybe gt7 may improve on this, I would've liked to see the McLaren F1 in cockpit view and other as your in the middle you may have a better sense of car position
I started on chase cam but changed to bumper cam when I got serious about going faster. The only car I use a different cam with the Kart, bumper cam is too low and cockpit view is much better. 👍🏁🤘
I’m not surprised by these results at all. Bumper cam is the fastest view for me. It has the best view of the track, all the data is up high sorta like a heads-up display, and the mirror is super useful in races. The bonnet cam is useful when you are trying to get mms from the track edge without spinning on the grass or sand. But I’m most situations, give yourself a small margin of error and use the bumper cam for fastest laps
Does how much of the bonnet you see on camera add another factor in to this from car to car, for example gr3 supra is quite high, gr4 pug quite high gr4 audi tt you see less bonnet. Just curious.
Chase cam was always my choice when I was younger. I’ve switched to Bumper cam (T-cam in F1) and found that I was much faster in GT6 and F1. I still use chase cam in forza, though
I use bumper, but try following another car closely at Tokyo. I think bonnet is better for that situation as you can see more with the higher camera position
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bumper cam for me. The rear view mirror is really important. If the bonnet cam had a rear view mirror I would use that instead.
Polyphony! This right here!
And the radar on the right side...that camera is tricky (bonnet).
This this this!
The thing I don’t like about bumper cam is that I can’t see any of the car that I’m driving....which makes me sad given how beautiful some of the cars/liveries are lol
The intimate relationship I have with my liveries adds speed I swear...
@@jodysisk3871 Being comfortable and happy with how your equipment looks makes you perform a lot better, I can guarantee and I'm adamant about it. It's more satisfying to drive which let's me push myself further
I started on Cockpit, then went to Bumper and I'm currently using Bonnet. Bonnet gives me a better feel of the car dimensions and helps me judging my turning points and car placement. I'm missing that rear view mirror though.
On bumper cam the outside edge of the speedo and the revs is the outside edge of your tires.
I use bumper cam for one reason....rear view mirror of dive bombs incoming!
I look back than mirror I wish they use bonnet with rear mirror or side
@@JeffWeselyan they need more mirror!
@@terminal_goat2604 ikr I used use a mirror at will simply pushing l3
I'm a cockpit driver. Full immersion is the best therapy...
Absolutely I 100% agree with that.
I like cockpit a lot... But il faster in bonnet... So online i go for that😅
And also... The gt Citroen concepts... In cockpit you cant see sht
@@brm3175 try the Gr1 cars... I had a two hour endurance, by the time it finished my eyes were so tired... But cockpit all the way.
@@MrBeseiden yeah ik about them ahahah expecially lmp1
For me it’s cockpit and no HUD. If the information isn’t on the dash, I do without that information.
I have vision issues and couldn't change now if I wanted to, but almost 20 years ago when I started on GT3 I chose bumper cam. Hypertensive Retinopathy in my right eye causes focus issues and things don't always line up right. From the start though I realized that if I can see the car, I can' be the car. With bumper cam, I am the car.
100% cockpit, for the immersion.
i've always felt that GT has been engineered to work best with bumper cam; it's definitely giving you the most easily legible version of the HUD. but in any driving game, bumper = best camera for sensation of speed, Cockpit = best camera for immersion, chase cam = best for spatial awareness and peripheral vision, bonnet cam = good combination of all. and as for which is "best", it's subjective based on what you're looking for in the game, really. and you're right, having your view of the apexes occluded by a dashboard is probably suboptimal in terms of raw speed
With limitations and all, have only used cockpit view and never even tried any other. Love it for its immersion and coolness of different dash layouts offering different levels of visibility.
Bumper cam and bonnet cam are both great. I’ve alway found bumper cam better. But bumper cam can have one very bad down fall. When you’re behind someone, it can be hard to spot your brake marker as the cam is close to the ground. Bonnet cam doesn’t have that problem, what can help a lot in races
Always used bumper cam, seems most natural to me, plus the rear view mirror helps.
Bonnet cam is actually roof cam... at least that's how it feels to me.
I feel the same: bonnet cam is at the car roof height. also I feel like bumper cam is at the car's hood height
I feel the same too bro. Youre quicker for it too.
Bumper cam is not on the bonnet nor the bumper, it's in the helmet, but the view is altered to that of the cockpit view even though its location is identical
During the GT5/GT6 era i was used to the Bonnet view, to learn the track better (corners, lines, braking points).
I did the switch from that to Chase cam once GT sport released, to understand better where the car physically is on track, adding a little extra help for myself when battling as i can see better circumstances (also because past GTs chase cam werent that good like in GT Sport imo)
Totally personal this: there are players who prefer to see the road and just the road, or people that would like to have a higher view of everything while racing...Very cool video Tidge ^^
Thankyou for this mate! Awesome to hear of the change of camera to!
I’ve started using the cockpit camera because in other games like ACC and iRacing, the cockpit cam is the only one you can use (to my knowledge) so if I practice being in the cockpit here then I can translate to other games and will feel ok with the camera setup
I've used bumper cam since I started playing with a wheel. I'd like to experiment with bonnet cam a bit, but I can't give up the rear view mirror and bumper cam's superior HUD.
Agree the "In Your Face" hud lets you see your speed is low enough for the corner and when to start accelerate without looking away form the track.
I find the hud in bumper cam very distracting now. It can catch my eye at moments and cause some mistakes. But I still alway use bumper cam I just wish I could turn of the hud all together.
I used chase cam for years from GT1 through the GT Sport. The Green Hell circuit experience pushed me to bumper cam and I kept with that for almost 3 years. Last year I switched to bonnet cam because it gave me a better (higher) view of cars in front and to the sides. Helped me react quicker to other drivers. I'm still on that cam view. I just wish we could adjust the viewing options. Like adding rear and/or side view mirrors.
I use bumper cam always, but it really needs option to be raised. As it is when you get really close to car in front then your entire screen gets filled with only that😛😂
I raced on GT with the bonnet cam for some 6 months before I tried out the bumper cam and switched to it. Having the virtual mirror helps a lot, and the position is always the same, as I couldn't feel comfortable on some cars where the bonnet camera would actually be positioned on the roof.
Totally agree, for that reason I don't use Toyota for example as it is a roof camera and not a hood one.
I use cockpit, even though I'm quite a bit faster in bumper view. Just like the immersive feel to it
is only real driver here! only 1 like from me.dont expect more...girls here.
I used to use bumper cam a lot, switched to bonnet or chase cam for a few games now I just use Cockpit cam since getting a sim being fully immersed into the car feels amazing
All views should get the digital rear view mirror. I like cockpit view as it’s more immersive and I think it prepares you better for real life racing and other Sims like iracing.
iRacing is the most "stuck up" sim out there, all the other sims are less restrictive with what camera you can use
also I don't think your simracing camera matters for real life driving - unless you play on a big 180 degree triple monitor setup, real life view is very different from what you see in games. especially if you don't set your FOV to realistic values
@@vsm1456 stuck up? These Sims are supposed to simulate real racing and cockpit view is the closest to reality. Can real race drivers use bonnet cam or hood cam?
@@craigyirush3492 Do real race drivers drive on a monitor? Do they drive from home and can't feel the car movement with their own body?
Well, maybe "stuck up" is a wrong word here, but this is where I come from:
1) All racing sims are supposed to simulate real racing, but none of them can do it identical to real life.
2) They all have their pros and cons in how they simulate car physics.
3) They all are limited in how to deliver the racing experience to players: triple monitors or VR, plus motion rig is the best you can get.
4) Every sim is a piece of software, a compromise with a lot of disadvantages compared to real life but also with a lot of advantages like how much money you spend on it, crashing without injuries, changing setups, tyres, fuel with a click of a button, cars can be 100% reliable, you can use various input methods (including keyboard-like devices without "analog" output), various ways to change gears, etc.
Where do you draw the line between what can be considered an acceptable advantage for a user and what can not? Every sim does it a bit differently and out of all the sims iRacing has the most restrictive and the most purist, elitist stance on that, while being just yet another racing sim with its own strong sides and weak sides, in physics including.
I used to race in cockpit religiously, but started running into issues swapping from LHD to RHD cars. So, a year ago I switched to bumper and never looked back. Again, it has a mirror and allows me to see apexes a lot easier at most tracks.
Oh. Sound on cockpit cam is the best.
I always used chase cam on the previous GT games racing vs. AI, because the point of the games was the cars and how good they looked. But with GT Sport, racing against real people I've always used bumper cam. Hood cam a little, but I always liked the bumper or "Invisible Car cam" I called it. It feels best for the car reactions and is the best for view. I'm still pretty slow, but at least I know the view isn't holding me back, my lack of talent does that! Great vid Tidge.
It is NOT just a game. It is a Olympic Sport now!!! Lol great vid
I'd like them to introduce a two camera mode. I'd go bumper cam main, and then a small box in a corner showing chase cam for when your in traffic.
That's a very interesting idea!
@@tidgney Feel free to tout the idea next time your at Poly HQ! It should be pretty easy to implement really, especially if it were the bottom right corner. Anyway interesting video, keep up the good work and guides, cheers pal
I've had the best luck with the hood (bonnet) cam... The bumper and cockpit you can't see around the other cars and the chase cam you can't tell how far away the guy ahead is when you're racing hard.
I'm Cockpit view since day 1. I tried bumper view but i wasn't enjoying the game as much. i'm still A-S.. but i don't play everyday... when gt7 is out i will still be using cockpit view.
I've used to drive with chase cam, then bonnet cam but now I'm using bumper cam. It's super comfortable for racing and plus it's got rear view mirror.
imo at the esports level the camera should be locked to cockpit, sure the view you get isn't amazing and could do with some tweaking but irl you're not sat in the middle of the car (except open wheelers, mclaren f1 etc.) with a perfect view of the road right in front of you
But IRL I can move my head, that's the issue with cockpit :P
Bumper cam was the best really. It really makes you agressive and knows the road more easier in that view. Its good for qualifying too😍🕶
Strangely enough I am quicker in cockpit view. But racing I have to use bonnet cam or bumper. I think in cockpit view I am more patient with the throttle and tend not to over speed the corners therefore getting a better line. I think GT7 with VR will be a life changing experience for myself.
Hood cam for me.
Biggest benefit: you can see your braking markers even if a you have a car in front of you.
Biggest downfall: you have to switch between radar and fuel saving gauge which wouldn't be necessary if I was on bumper cam. Rear view mirror of course.
I'm an A+ bumper can user. Been using bumper can since GT4. Also known as Apex cam.
Always used bumper cam. I like my rear view mirror, unobscured view, and feels most reactive to wheel inputs to me. It's only disadvantage in my opinion is driving close behind other cars, very hard to see ahead from low bumper perspective.
Bonnet/roof cam simply because i can see my car and accurately place my wheels where i need them. Also can see ahead when side by side and behind cars and traffic.
I watched this video thinking "interesting, but I am not going to try it as I tried bumper cam when I first started gts a year ago, and I didn't care for it". I tried it anyway - beat my Tokyo quali time by .3 within a half hour! You're right mind blown!
Always used bumper cam, even when I used a controller. The camera being lower to the ground also gives an increased feeling of speed. It can be difficult to see braking points etc though when you’re right behind someone in close battles, so it does have its disadvantages too.
Yep i can feel that mate youre 100% true!😍. I feel faster on my Epson Nsx.
I 100% find I am quicker in the bumper cam, and love having the the rear view mirror. The times I switch to bonnet cam is for things like the Chicken at Dragon trail sea side, I often find I underestimate the width of the car and clip the barriers in bumper cam. It can also be harder to see your break markers in bumper cam compared to bonnet cam when racing close.
I always liked more bumper cams. I love the feeling it gives.
The bumper camera is perfect if you have a clean space in front of you. If things get too messy or too many cars get involved in the scene, you can't see the track. The hood camera I prefer to use when the race is very close quarter combat style ... That's it for me.
As always, top content @Tidgney
Me too bro. I can feel the car quicker than the usual cameras. Especially when you mastered the circuit😉 x
Interesting. I race cockpit nearly exclusively. Though not in the modern GR1 cars, or where it isn't available. I find it easiest to judge the width of the car, though lack of visibility is hard in some cars. So is lack of rear view in others. Chase can is out of the question. Hood cam is okay to pick out the edges of the car, but lack of rear view is a big problem. Bumper view is the least obstructed, but you have no idea where the edge of the car is and turn in is compromised because you are positioned ahead of the front wheels.
It would be nice if we could race in VR or at least have triple screen compatibility. GT Sport lags behind some of the other driving simulators out there.
Some of my fastest laps come from the cockpit cam, but I use bonnet cam a lot as well, chase is for replays, it’s easy to run into ppl with bumper cam the POV is off by about 7-10ft
I always used to use cockpit cam, when I switched to using manual transmission I changed to bumper cam. I don't really remember why but when I did it made me feel more attuned to the car and where it was on the track. I use bonnet cam in ACC and Dirt Rally but GT Sport's is too high, the camera's mounted on the roof half the time and cornering just doesn't feel natural.
I know it is the slowest and I hope they improve it but I love to race in cockpit view
I like bumper but find it's hard to race close behind other cars so end up going with bonnet most of the time, especially on tracks with lots of bump drafting
I’ve always used bumper cam in the past, but I never played online too much. I now use bonnet cam due to how difficult it is to gauge the braking zones when your view is obscured by opponents in online races in bumper cam…
The only thing I miss is the rear view mirror
I played GT1 and GT2 in bumper cam as a kid. I didn't play and racing games again until I got GT Sport. When I started in GTS I was using Bonnet cam, but then I switched to bumper cam and I am a little faster too. I think I agree with the kid instincts comment you made.
I use bonnetcam as it feels the most real compared to a real car. Bumpercam has 2 advantages and that is the rear view mirror and the tacho.
I also prefer bumper cam except when I need to see past the car in front, like in a slipstream train on the straight at Tokyo. There I‘m using bonnet cam, but change back to bumper before the corner.
I used bumps for years and only recently transitioned over to bonnet cam in the last year due to picking up penalties in the red bull ring . That final corner kept getting me over and over agin so I switched over and was able to have a “visual “ representation of where my tires would be and I stoped constantly getting penalties in that corner
Good video Tidge. Funny that I always used to use bumper cam on Gran Turismo 1 and 2, but when I started GT5, I switched to bonnet cam. Totally agree about cockpit being too restrictive. Never used chase cam, always seemed to Ridge Racer or Outrun like for me - too arcade like and not at all realistic, but hey, thats just me. Might try bumper cam again for a laugh, see how I get on.
I love the bumper cam alot. Especially when i drove my favorite Epson Nsx 2008. It makes me more quicker and it helps you feel the car whenever you have problems with it. 😉 x
Hey Tidgney, bonnet cam is def the best for looking where you are going, especially for racing the children from Japan who like to ram and block like the immature kids they are. It does give no rear view though. It lets you see up ahead and the apexes best. With your track guides it has given me an extra couple of seconds a lap. Bumper cam is useless once you get behind a bunch of cars. I used to drive in cockpit cam for the immersion effect, but as you proved, lack of vision. Great vid!!!
Use to with the bonnet cam,but recently started with bumper cam and I’m way more consistent and a bit quicker
Bumper cam for me. I find that it replicates what I "see" at track days that I have done. The. brain, or at least mine, ignores everything inside the car other than the dash instruments, and in my seating positions I can't see my hood (bonnet). The rear view mirror is essential and part of "the scan."
Adventure racing has infinite excuses now 😂
I find bonnet cam is a nice balance between seeing where I’m going apex wise but being able to see opponents by my side and keeping clear. Bumper has a hidden box which I sometimes find hard to avoid accidentally tapping someone who to me seems far enough away.
The only issue I have with the bumper cam during races is that I feel like it puts you too low on the view. Depending on the track can make it harder to look ahead
But it makes you go faster if you really know circuit first. You just have to practice racing the line of the race track and then once youre good enough. Then you able pull it through without crashing😉. Learning the circuit first will make you more proffesional you know
An interesting twist... which camera would your viewers be most engaged with when you are driving?
I think bumper gives the best view due to the rear view mirror. Can see what’s coming up. I think that’s the reason Kie uses it.
Bumper cam - again as mentioned that big rearview mirror helps so much and using the dials to judge car width and the line between speed and revs as a mid car pointer means placing car on or near apex is easy.
Gooooood question!
Like you, I prefer the bonnet camera. I don't know if it was faster for me but it was more 'comforable'. When I started rally racing, the chase camera was the fastest for me. I could actually see the track ahead for braking and corners.
Cockpit cam allows in all possible games, probably since PS2 games🤣😅
I recommend increase hight to +3 or +2
warning cockpit cam is the most difficult one and in some cars you see half or non of rear view mirror
I use bumper cam, have the mirror available to use and a great view of the track. Works for me. Does create a problem when close to others rear bumper though. Still my favorite.
its mad, i always used to use bumper cam on all gt games, for some reason went to bonnet, after this vid, went back to bumper, instantly found time, much more precise on the brakes and turn in, thank you
Chase cam pleb here, the switch to hood cam when I got a wheel didn’t quite work out. I may try bumper now that my sitting position is more fitting for it 🤔
Chase cam gang 💪🏻
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FANTASTIC video !... I was on my little own doing same experiment and then moved from bonnet to bumper vision.. now if you join the "bumper club" 😉 it will be easier for me to follow your braking point video guidelines , since perspective is different and especially those on the tarmac get much more difficult to spot on time before you actually pass them....👍
Im a bumper cam too. It makes you faster as hell, especially when you know the circuit of the race track theres no problem with it💕 x
cockpit cam driver, here.. raise cam. seat height to max and move cam. forward, helps to see corner apex. will help increase area screen view.
I always use bumper cam! Because then there's no car, it's me and my eyes racing on the track.
Cockpit view for me is just for exhibition, to show more immersive details when I'm using the racing rig if I'm showing the setup to anyone.
I use cockpit for open wheelers, and group cars close to the ground. I use bonnet for Gr1 and taller cars
Bumper cam is the closest to correct fov in GTS, your brain doesn't have to work as hard when objects on the screen are closer to the size they are in real life, this makes driving in bumper cam feel the most natural.
If bonnet cam was consistent in its height and position then I would use that but it varies so much car to car.
Therefore i use bumper cam unless I am stuck right behind someone and I need to see over them where I will switch to bonnet momentarily
Was doing cockpit for a while but now I'm finding I'm doing better with chase cam but I'm gonna try the bumper cam since a lot of people say it's really good
Great vid! Make the switch. Go fast. Win lots. Good luck! I like bumper due to the big mirror, immersion, feels fast, and great vision.
Bumper cam guy here. Reasons 1/ the "In Your Face Hud" lets you see you speed better as it is higher up so you judge corner speed without taking eyes off the track as much and 2/ that big ass mirror means you can keep an eye on what's about to happen behind you without changing cameras. Do we have a faster Tidgeny in out future?
Maybe :P!
I always use bonnet. But i'll definitely test bumper.
I know for certain that im not going to use cockpit or chase. So no point in even trying them.
Controller user here so I was on Chase but recently changed to hood/bonnet cam and now I'm even quicker! haven't tried bumper cam properly as my brief stint in it I couldn't understand the width of the car
Depends on what I'm doing and which car. Drifting is: click both sensitivity and angle up from 0 up to 1 then back down to 0 again to unlock the TRUE 0 0.0 chase cam. For racing: driver seat
This video interests me.
I went for bumper cam first, in the way back when times. Then started watching Super GT on YT and saw him using bonnet cam so I tried it and started using it all the time.
Then I noticed that on some cars, like this RCZ for example, the bonnet cam wasn't actually a bonnet cam, rather a roof cam. And that really messed up my performance on those cars.
So now, I use bumper cam all the time. The only disadvantage of it IMO is when you're fighting or driving very close to someone it's very hard to judge exactly where you are on the track. When you have to brake and such, so in these situations I quickly change to bonnet cam until the overtake is complete and then change back to bumper and start using the mirror for defending.
Yup, roof cam is sometimes even off to, the Lamborghini is angled wrong xD! It has never been fixed either it's crazy :O!
Bumper cam is my favoured view but the main drawback is that when you're in traffic or right up behind another car you just can't see anything... So I switched to bonnet cam. Wish it had the mirror though!
Did you adjust cockpit and chase cam in the advanced settings? Cockpit can be moved way up, down, forward, and backward and the stiffness of chase can be freed up by making the two settings 0.0. Sorry if I missed you mentioning it.
I didn't change anything, as always with these tests I just use default because that's how the game was originally designed. Maybe I could go a bit quicker changing them but then it adds a lot of time in adjusting and testing I suspect :O!
i always used bonnet view, but you might of found something, maybe its from been a kid and always using bumper view with a controller.... the good very old days.
Is it just me or is the bumper cam lower in gt sport compared to gt6 and Gt5?
Bonnet view feels more like roof view like it was in Gt4.
Good question, I know bumper in GT Sport is higher than PCars, that really is bumper haha!
Changed to bumber cam bout 3 weeks ago from bonnet cam... instantly faster and find the car so much easier to handle/feels like im controlling the steering alot more from the front of car... bonnet cam feels lile your steering from the middle of the car for me😃👍
I used bonnet view as per you but find bumper much faster and more direct precise action plus you get a sense of speed
I noticed bumper cam is a bit faster for me, it’s great for time trial, not so much for racing when you’re behind someone’s bumper. So I keep using bonnet cam.
I drive on bumper cam or cockpit cam (not engine hood cam)
I'm fine with bumper and bonnet, cockpit depends not the car.
In chase I struggle with the viewing, i look at the car and not on the exit of the next turn...
The problem with the bonnet is the missing mirror.
The problem with the bumper is the viewing in traffic, I've a lot of problems to see my break points and turning points.
My wish would to be able adapt the height of the camera in the bumper view...
I used the Bonnet Cam from Gran Turismo 4's days up to early GT Sport, then I tried the Bumper Cam out of curiosity, and I also instantly went faster by a few tenths on Bathurst and used it since. I also find it convinient as the angle and height between cars doesn't change much compared to the Bonnet Cam :D
Bumper cam is the choice for me when using a wheel but if I’m using a pad I do better using the chase cam! I think this is down to progression through the early gt games chase cam was the norm but with time the natural upgrade to the force feedback Logitech official wheels g25-29 then thrustmaster T500 the view gradually changed to the bonnet view utilising the rear view and giving me a sense of being the car rather than following it giving an all round better gaming experience in my opinion, but that’s me and I know plenty of people who still prefer the chase cam overall but the bumper cam does seem to have the edge over the rest in regards to the overall lap times even if it is only a few hundredths per lap it all adds up in a race scenario
Bumper cam from the start, always going back to that. 💪🏻
Can you not move the seat position in GT?
I always felt the rear view mirror was a bit over zoomed and made them look closer behind you than they are
There is a ton of cars where there is a sticker on the mirror saying exactly that. So 10/10 realism there I suppose
I use the bonnet cam. It allows me to keep an eye on my dimensions and not hit people and it allows me to see a higher eye line than bumper cam. However it needs the review mirror that the bumper has, wish it was an option, maybe gt7 may improve on this, I would've liked to see the McLaren F1 in cockpit view and other as your in the middle you may have a better sense of car position
I started on chase cam but changed to bumper cam when I got serious about going faster. The only car I use a different cam with the Kart, bumper cam is too low and cockpit view is much better. 👍🏁🤘
I should have mentioned that, Kart is the only one I want to see the wheel on.
Having the rear mirror is good but also can be very distracting since you always see it. Bonnet or bumper are the best in races online
I’m not surprised by these results at all. Bumper cam is the fastest view for me. It has the best view of the track, all the data is up high sorta like a heads-up display, and the mirror is super useful in races.
The bonnet cam is useful when you are trying to get mms from the track edge without spinning on the grass or sand. But I’m most situations, give yourself a small margin of error and use the bumper cam for fastest laps
Does how much of the bonnet you see on camera add another factor in to this from car to car, for example gr3 supra is quite high, gr4 pug quite high gr4 audi tt you see less bonnet. Just curious.
Interesting thought, it will have some impact I guess :O!
@@tidgney I know for me I have to use bumper cam for cars like the gr3 supra, but I am more comfortable in bonnet cam for the majority of cars.
Bumper cam for time trial is good but when racing others you can't see anything if you are behind someone else
Chase cam was always my choice when I was younger. I’ve switched to Bumper cam (T-cam in F1) and found that I was much faster in GT6 and F1. I still use chase cam in forza, though
I use bumper, but try following another car closely at Tokyo. I think bonnet is better for that situation as you can see more with the higher camera position
Bonnet/Roof cam almost always.
In other games it would be dash cam or cockpit (no wheel) if available, but unfortunately GT doesn't have that :/