Ah, the Old Republic era. You'll never find such a beautiful hive of freedom and creativity. A.K.A, That one time Star Wars wasn't completely about those goddamn Skywalkers.
The Old Republic Era has so muc rich lore and history along with great characters like Revan, Bastila, Kreia, Malgus, Exile, Nihilus, Sion, and so many more. Plus it’s just more interesting seeing the Jedi and Sith as War Lords instead of either a dying order or an order in shadows
Just be glad Disney hasn't touched anything related to the Old Republic. Not at least until *Kathleen Kennedy* is replaced by *Jon Favreau* as head of *Lucas Film.* Only then we'll get Star Wars films that respect the lore.
Even other characters with much smaller roles were way more interesting than most characters in the Skywalker saga with 2 of my personal favorite sith lords, Darth Jadus and Darth Marr, who both had small roles to play yet were vastly fascinating characters to me, as well as many others of course.
Exactly. Such a disrespect when the heads of Disney said star wars didn't have rich lore or Canon to base off of. The old republic is easily most of star wars fans favorite Era and contains many of the best stories and characters and of the franchise.
It's the closest thing the setting has to a proper Galaxy spanning conflict. The Great Galactic War lasted for 30 years as the Sith Empire took over half the galaxy, and even that was considered a very fast offensive. It actually feels like a galaxy spanning conflict.
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime-El lets be honest with the current political atmosphere, liberals only wanted to see cartoon fascists as the villains and bland rebels saving the day.
FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime-El F***ing Thrawn waged a war that lasted that long in the Thrawn trilogy, with a small fraction of the resources and against a more prepared enemy.
People always seem to think that the clone wars is the largest war in star wars when that is a complete lie, the mandalorian wars was larger and more destructive that the clone wars and it took the full industrial and military capacity of the republic, abunch of jedi defectors, the greatest military mind at the time (revan) and a planet killing super weapon to beat them. Meanwhile the entire clone wars is just palpatine playing 4d chess with himself which is why I don't really like it that much
And unlike in the recent movies, not every conflict is caused by the same one old evil space wizard. Three wars Papa Palpatine caused, give him a rest, jeez.
While the Clone Wars may be my favorite SW era due to nostalgia+aesthetics, the Old Republic stuff is nearly as fascinating to me due to its expansiveness and...well, there's some sort of quality there I'm not sure how to describe it. A sort of...vagueness, perhaps? Maybe not to the extent of Warhammer 40k, but the sense of vast mysteries out there is similar. Your point on how the Old Republic era is a much more free setting (not stepping on the toes of various characters' histories) is something you mentioned to me some time ago, and is something I've thought a decent bit about. While I personally enjoy the fleshing out of previously established characters, there really is something to be said for the freedom afforded by having a setting that doesn't have to worry about that. It really does feel more "mythological", as you put it.
Disney should have gone balls to the wall in scale for the sequel trilogy. Get rid of the rule of two as Snoke wasnt a sith and had Kylo just lead squads of dark jedi while Luke does the same.
Trying to sorta remake a TOR setting in the sequels would've actually worked in their favor if they wanted to release 1 movie per year, which was their initial plan.
Daniel Boyas yeah and the plot could be about Luke trying to bring back Kylo (Ben) to the light. Maybe Rey could have been Luke’s apprentice who has to take over in the 8th film but has a lot of eternal struggles And then the 9th could be Rey overcoming the struggles and bringing back Kylo. The last battle could be them and the republic fighting off dark Jedi and their troops of the remanence of the empire! Why Disney! How could you have missed this!?
Thinking Machine True, and since Luke wasn’t a traditional Jedi, and the entire would only be dark Jedi, they wouldn’t all have to die, and could joint together again and defeat the empire, so that Anakin’s sacrifice and legacy as the Chosen One isn’t made redundant by Rey all over again.
Completely agree. The Old Republic Era is amazing due to the multitude of different narratives with no primary protagonist that must survive for later. In a sense it is the Game of Thrones (early seasons) of Star Wars where the overall narrative (aka societies/cultures/etc) takes priority over individual storylines. Every character can be killed off and the story will continue just fine while the main films have characters that get to wear plot armor and thus everything that happens ends up being centered around those characters. This is similar to how the later seasons of the Game of Thrones show ended up when the shift changed from telling a story of the overall world and focused on individual narratives where the main cast was granted plot armor.
Especially it's due to the fact that without Darth Revan's holocron, Bane wouldn't have changed the ways of the Sith order and the Sith wouldn't have ruled the Galaxy when Emperor Palatine ruled the Galaxy
@dark zeratul No he did not lol. Revan had an entire Sith Empire built up to fight the true Sith Empire. Never once did Revan ever indicate that only two sith should exist because that is idiotic. He did imply that a Sith Master should only have one apprentice, but that is a huge leap to only two sith should exist at all times.
In the old "Legends" Expanded Universe my favorite stories were almost always one starring original characters, simply because those characters had far more flexibility in their arcs. Luke, Han, Leia, and the rest of the established movie characters were locked into clearly defined personalities and arcs that *NOBODY* would be dumb enough to mess with, or be allowed to even if they wanted to (Cough - Sequels - cough), but with something like Grand Admiral Thrawn or Wraith Squadron writers could go hog wild. The Old Republic era takes that idea and applies to entire epochs. I love it.
Finally! Someone who understands why KOTOR II's exploration and deconstruction was properly handled compared to TLJ. I've made my own piece on the subject but it's infuriating to see many others just blatantly ignore the logistics & context for each one. KOTOR II had room to experiment; it had the chance to do so because the setting was left relatively unexplored. New characters and worlds could be used to take Avellone's ideas and make them whole. Using Luke Skywalker and the state of the galaxy after Episode VI was NOT where one goes to do that. It's just that simple.
@Glühfunke The ideas were introduced poorly in the Last Jedi though, thus they have an poor foundation leaving the next movie nothing to work with. So I don't think JJ could of done anything.
It's funny too because Tales of the Jedi: Redemption has the same story as TLJ's Jake Skywalker and Rey. The difference is it works with Ulic Qel-Droma and Vima Sunrider because Ulic was actually written consistently and felt bad for his actions, and Vima was shown to always be a bit of a free spirit even as a small child.
I really like Swtor. Admittedly I've only done Sith warrior and Imp Agent stories which I'd say are probably the most interesting ones. I've dabbled in every other class story but not completed. I'd be interested in hearing though what you like and dislike about Swtor.
The Raging Storm Although it can’t beat the Imperial agent story, the bounty hunter is quite good if you can get into the flow. You’re not exactly just some bounty hunter but you’re a contestant in a competition. If you can get into the weird story it’s good basically.
@@revbladez5773 I mean at the time they couldn’t make a game like the cinematic trailers at the time. Mainly due to how many people would play and all of the bugs it would have and eventually shut down the servers. MMO was just a simple way of doing it and expanding it which (imo) made it easy for them. (Although making an old republic game with enhanced gameplay would be amazing)
@Tom Ffrench No , but basic building blocks in good hero story does stay the same . If you have the same bricks , does not mean you have to build the same house over and over again :)
Although the Rise of the Empire/Dark Times era is my favorite, (I just am more attached the characters and think the writing is better overall. Before TCW of course.) I definitely appreciate and love the archaic feel of the Old Republic. Seeing how the Jedi fell from grace and became trapped by their dogmatic philosophies, or how the Sith evolved from ferocious conquerors and into insidious puppetmasters, infiltrating, corrupting, and shaping galactic events from the shadows. It's all facinating to read. Like you said, it reads like a history book or mythology. A collection of epic tales spanning millennia.
As much as I like to see this era in the movies, It like youtuber that I watch says, this era, we are currently in has the terrible habbit of turning good things into crap sadly.
I actually wouldn't be opposed to that, provided it was Clone Wars quality and not Rebels. It would be the perfect way to reintroduce old lore, bring back everyone this video talked about and those not mentioned: Nomi Sunrider, Zayne Karrick, Mandalore the Indomitable, everyone could finally come home...so long as Disney give the writers the freedom to do it right.
Tahkaullus01 Yeah. What made Clone Wars such a good show for me was we never solely just stick with Anakin. Sometimes we were with him, then we had a storyline with Padme, or Ashoka, or the Clones, or Mandalore, or the Bounty Hunters, or Maul. That sort of format fits in with the Old Republic era so greatly because it reminds us there wasn’t a “protagonist” throughout the era, but rather many heroes and many villains.
@@BOOFIRE191 It's just hard not to get frustrated at such wasted potential. I got the same feeling with Halo 5, and from what I hear, fans of Mortal Kombat lore have been feeling this with every new entry so far. So I guess every long running franchise shits the bed at some point, and the best we can do is find another mattress or start the day and wait for them to clean it.
You forgot to say how they revealed it! Remember? It's on Disney×, and it's a short. Shows Rey going to, then subsequently owning Revan's world forge, by merging her force with the technology. See she needed his hilt to open a door, that hosted the soul o cron (holocron but containing a force wielders soul, KEEP UP) in order to revive B. But instead brings back VADER (from Episode 3 just as hes killing younglings). After she beats him in his prime by JUMPING OVER HIM from the LOWEST ground, his mind is wiped, and is sent back in time, but the memory still lingers, as he travels to Mustafar. Oh! Also, she gets his belt, buckle so Vader had to change his clothes, into his fresher black robes. When she tosses the buckle onto Revans desk, his journal falls, pops open and shows text with "xoxo" next to a self drawn doodle of Malak and a heart for 2.1 seconds before cutting away to Rey training her apprentice baby Yoda....Also shes the last mandalorian. Armor and all! :o Cant believe you'd leave ALL that out! For shame D:
The Old Republic game for all its writing flaws is still the only piece of real Star Wars we are getting. I didn't have a problem with Revan or the exile (That wasn't her who was the Emperor's love on Correllia guys) the voice sounded the same but that was because they were to lazy to get a voice acter. Still, it is respecting the characters and we get to see Malgus and the rest.
@@HalfdanMCMX writing the whole thing off because of Revan/Exile isn't fair to everything else, as close to 90% of TOR stories do not use these characters.
@@HalfdanMCMX It still has plenty of great stories to tell. One failure at an expansion (which I admit, did kinda ruin two great characters) isn't going to ruin the entire plot of an MMO.
I have a book called star wars the essential guide to warfare (Bascily every major event in the expanded universe or legends now) And I agree with how crazy it was Samurai looking jedi, The proto proto light saber which was a 'force imbued' sword , And then the Manderlorians riding sky robots down to conquer a planet It was a very whacky read (Also in the book there was a small part about the guy how saw the future of the star wars timeline and everything that happened in the past of the timeline)
The last time I looked at the Old Republic, I was a kid, so this video both brought that back, and opened my mind to the richness I couldn't process before. Thanks.
Maybe Vitiate, he pretty much formed the events of the “Classic Republic era” and is the central figure of the “Neo Old Republic Era”. Also is a background character of the Ancient Republic Era
I prefer a timeline where the sith, jedi, republic & the empire exsist simultaneously and where lines between them is somewhat blurred. An academy on both sides and with a internal struggle both politicly & military, where the question isin't about be good or bad but rather which system do you most believe in a universe like this. In swtor I think you get to scout this out thoroughly in where you see the flaws for yourself, I do got criticisms about the game but that's neither here or there.
One weird thing I recently noticed is that a Gen-Dai (Durge's species) could theoretically live through the entirety of the time frame where around 99% of Legends content takes place in (5000 BBY - 140 ABY) without dying of old age...
As a regular SWTOR player, the "Neo Old Republic" as you call it is my favorite Era of Star Wars. I don't want Disney to ever touch this era EVER. SWTOR is still alive and well, new stories will be coming out. To me, it's the last bastion of Legends Star Wars, since it still follows old Legends lore, but is also its own thing. I say that it is its own thing because I cant see the stuff in SWTOR becoming the "Dark Ages" stuff.
It is often said that KotOR is a reimagining of central Star Wars themes on a blank canvas, divorced from all the pop culture icons, lines and characters we associate Star Wars with. It's partially what you're hitting on when you talk about why KotOR II's deconstruction works, and TLJ's doesn't. There's nothing, of course, inherently wrong with TLJ wanting to deconstruct ideas in Star Wars, but it's simultaneously always trying to be consistent with and pay homage to all that stale pop culture imagery from the original films that we all know and love. It's *not* really letting the past die, it doesn't work. There's nothing new at the heart of that movie, only the idea of letting go of the old, without actually doing it. It enjoys having, as literal, actual text: 'let the past die' but the subtext in TLJ is always 'but not really lol' Which is why it's so fascinating to me that the original KotOR can hit on so many of the same themes, beats and ideas of the original films, of all that old baggage and yet be full of life, be new, vibrant, refreshing. It's said that no work of art entirely escapes genre--and I agree with this. The inverse is also true, no work ever escapes redefining or breaking genre, in subtle or remarkable ways. It retraces the steps of heroes who've fallen from grace, famous jedi generals fallen to the temptation of the Dark Side. The way KotOR treats its characters, and its protagonist, always reveal a tension: that a character might not be what they are now, that they might fall to temptation, or redeem themselves. The same tension is present throughout Luke and Vader's dynamic, but--not really the SAME tension. It's exactly that sense of scale that you talk about that differentiates them--we see that dynamic play out with many characters, we're invited to look at an entire society of people moved by light and dark. It's also the fact that we ARE one of those fallen characters. And with KotOR's central twist about WHO you are, that you ARE one of those fallen heroes, but didn't know it. While that twist too calls back to the big moment in Empire Strikes Back, it also redefines it. Not only, like V, are we asked to recontextualize past information and interpretations of events--KotOR wants more of us. Empire wants to shock its audience and cap off a personal journey for Luke, KotOR invites the player into a deeper reflection about self, the people around that self, and the competing Jedi and Sith codes which animate the conflicts around us. At their best, the most iconic moments and ideas of the original films invite us to wonder, for a moment, of the society, institutions and people behind them, that would flesh out and give them further depth and nuance. The world of the old republic gives us those things, fleshes out those ideas. They take those moments and iterate upon them in meaningful ways. KotOR is certainly part of that 'Star Wars' genre so widely recognized, but it is also, in key ways, something different and new. And, of course, those little genre breaks in KotOR allow for the comprehensive, complete deconstruction of KotOR II--it paves the way, makes room for it on the canvas. Nice video!
And this is also why I've grown to dislike the Skywalker Saga even more. There are too many restrictions with the lore to do major changes. Everything has to be within these few hundred years and must follow the basic plotline set by the major characters, like Vader, without challenging anything too much, otherwise it won't make sense. Like how in The Clone Wars you could always tell they had to keep Anakin and Grievous apart since they canonically don't meet till ep3 or when we know that Ahsoka has to leave somehow since she does not appear later on. Also this restricts characters such as Ahsoka to make any major impact. It is really strange how the universe feels so small in some ways while in the TOR era you have this grand scale making even the most epic of events to seem small in the larger scale of things. Like for example, everything your character does in swtor feels relatively small, even the big events, cause so much has and will happen in this timeline that this grand and epic event feels like only a small piece of a giant puzzle.
The old republic is just full of rich lore and amazing characters, but also because it’s full of Jedi and sith and how they view the force which is actually the compelling reason I am a Star Wars fan and what makes Star Wars so unique.
Thanks a lot for this video. I now have a clear and concise way to explain why the Old Republic era is so great without having to delve too much into details. I've never been good at summarizing things, and you presented a great outlook at the whole that is the Old Republic from a storytelling point of view.
Havent watched a boofire video in a while. This looks like a good place to start again. Nice new clothes ya got there man. Tho i miss your mando armor.
I like the Old Republic period for the simple reason that the great diversity of factions, characters, and places means roleplaying is a lot more free. No Rule of Two means you can RP a Sith if you like, and the Sith have an actual culture aside from "hand wavy evil stuff". Likewise, the Jedi are large and diverse and not about to get stomped to dust like the prequels. You also have non-Force users, non-Jedi/Sith Force users, and even interesting factions like larger corporations, unaligned factions, etc. Some of these things still exist in the movies era, but they are tighter and more regulated for narrative reasons. Basically, the closer you get to the movies, the tighter the narrative becomes due to creative control and franchise necessity.
Ik I’m extremely late to ask this question but do you think the old republic is the era where the Jedi and Sith were at their strongest or do you think the rule of two sith surpassed its predecessors.
Agree with you 100% when I was growing up The old republic era is what lucasfilm was concentrating on with expansion and I loved it because it felt like I was their with the ancient sith learning their mistakes and the mysteries of the force with them
The "Legends" stories had better characters and better stories than the last 3 movies. We need those back. Splinter in a Mind's Eye would be amazing to see.
@@Redneckthinker Huh ok i just looke dit up on Wookiepedia and apparently you are right, it is canon to the EU/Legends timeline. Didnt even know that^^. And btw, you seem to get the wrong impression of me, the EU/Legends Timeline is the only one i recognize as canon, with the excetpion of CLone Wars because that fits with the later Stuff and i prefer it to the original Clone Wars personally. The enjoyable things coming out of Disney Star Wars have been the Spinoff Movies, CWS7 and Mando. The new main Trilogy however doesnt exists as far as im concerned. But really, Splinter over Thrawn or maybe Vong/Legacy content? I dont really think Splinter is a high point of the EU but hey, you do you man.^^
@@datzfatz2368 I read Splinter when it came out and it takes me back to a happier time in the continuity. I love the Thrawn books, but being nostalgic is for when things were not as convoluted as they are now. Lucas coming back my help this new direction that Disney is going. If they could get EA to be a valid partner, then we might have a better universe than the MCU. I doubt it, but a person can dream.
@@Redneckthinker ah well thats understandable^^ since Legacy of the Force was my Entry to the EU it has the same effect for me^^ but yeah, we share in that dream then. I wish that they would just erase this new continutiy and either make a better new one with an actual plan or just give the old EU the treatment it deserves. sadly, thats pretty unlikely^^
There was Valkorion who did dominate a massive portion of the old Republic timeline; him and the outlander are essentially the main Villan and hero of setting specifically.
The real reason the old republic was great. no whiny tantrum throwing emotionally unstable skywalkers ruining this era and no empire desperate enough to rely on planet destroying tech over and over and over again . it has some originality and opens the potential of skilled ppl on both sides as well as the power of the force
Well, that's not true. Both factions had planet destroying superweapons, you had the Emperor of one literally consume all life on the planet, destroying it, while hightailing to the other end of the galaxy to summon a planet razing fleet, and "emotionally unstable" describes several important characters in the era, including a Sith who kills his girlfriend because it somehow would make him more powerful. Just because their last name isn't Skywalker doesn't make that less true.
KNIGHTS OF DESTINY Long before the Saga, was an Age of Legends, of Heroes, and Warriors in an Era of Conflict. During this time The Republic was expanding it's sphere of influence, even to the Outer Reaches up to the edge of Unknown Regions. The Jedi were tasked with this exploration, thus establishing themselves in the Outpost, a space station built to serve as a beacon in the midst of Dark Zone. A distress call from one of the ships has alerted the Jedi of an impending danger ... 😉
I don't think I've commented on how freaking awesome your new thumbnail is! The Death Korps of Krieg may be insanely suicidal fanatics matched only by their desire to bombard everything they perceive as an enemy to the Emperor or the Imperium into nth dimension, but damn it if they don't know how to dress for the occasion!
Basically the old republic is like a epic galactic odyssey in the context of how the sith an jedi shaped it, while every other era is like a small footnote that focus on how a handful of individual shaped history. It's like having the history of Europe be available for story telling but you only focus on WII and the 30 years after it
Boofire. I want to get more into EU after hearing how better it is than the canon stuff. I've played and beaten KOTOR 1, have 2 (havent played it yet), have read the first bane book, and have played the first world of the old republic mmo (but am struggling to have a reason to keep with the game) Any games/books you can recommend for the old republic?
Also one of the greatest character narrative in all of Star Wars video game ever-KOTOR is set in this era. So well written and established, it make you want to read more.
What about the period before the 2nd Jedi Schism, I would call it the Prehistoric Republic or something and would include the events taking place from the founding of the Republic to the 2nd Jedi Schism. I personally would love to explore this period as well as the Pre Rupublic era
yea i always go back and watch Gnost Dural time line vids for pretty much these reasons i certainly feel like there more in star wars past than in its future.
I think you could honestly set the next series of Star Wars like 200 years in the future and have a whole new cast of characters and pretty much have a similar canvas to work with.
I like this era because it was a time where the sith and jedi fought in masses like the crusades between two powerful religions over their view of the force.
Love the old republic but my only personal dislike for it is the overwhelming focus on Jedi and Sith. What was special about the lightsabers is now getting played out to the point that they have to come up with some cool lightsaber gimmick to keep them cool. The force, the jedi, sith, I just wish was done with a little more subtlety.
KotOR is a very interesting and what Disney could have done is scrap the sequels and make a new trilogy with the old republic in the past or with some new thing where they make it very far into the future maybe 4000 ABY that could be interesting. They could also do movies about Starkiller or (Galen Merick) assuming you have not played the force unleashed.
Hardcore KOTOR fan here. While I’m uncomfortable around what they did with Revan in SWTOR lore, playing it for the first time three weeks ago I can see it very clearly now is a KOTOR successor. If you doubt what I say, give the devs $20 and get a subscription to the free game. Play the story, craft shit for credits and experience the influence system. I’ve modded both KOTOR games into unrecognisable messes, played every class to completion and more to the point generally despise MMORPGs. I do not despise SWTOR. Neither should any KOTOR fan who has not given it a fair lick in recent times.
Surprised you didn't go further back to the Jed'aii Order because that stuff is really interesting. Monolithic octahedrons abduct children to Tython and they don't have lightsabers but force-imbued swords and they interact with the Infinite Empire and their Force Hounds from beyond the rim from who knows where! The Force Hounds were great, powerful dark side users wielding my favorite of all star wars weapons: the forcesaber. The very first type of lightsaber that was literally a beam of dark side energy focused through a crystal that can only be used when channeling the dark side. Also, this is the time when tatooinee was a lush jungle world whose rather intelligent inhabitants refused to submit to the Rakata and thus had their planet blasted with a beam so devestating, the planet was glassed and then that glass broke apart over time and became sand. The natives regressed into primarily two new races: Jawas and Tusken raiders, never to regain the former glory.
I don't recall them being abducted to tython. Wasn't it more like the constructs called to Force sensitives, they answered the call and then travelled to Tython?
To me Star Wars is the Skywalker saga(episodes I-VI, and including Lucas's sequel trilogy outlines), KOTOR and KOTOR II, the 2003 Clone Wars microseries, the cancelled Underworld series, TCW, SWTOR, Rebels, the Marvel Vader comic, Rogue One, the Mandalorian, and the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series. Everything else doesn't really matter to me. Though I'm planning on reading the Thrawn Trilogy.
Yeah the old republic is kinda the best, I will say though it maybe cuts down th flexibility a bit I’ve always been a fan of the theory that the skywalkers are distant descendants of Revan This is because Revan’s bloodline despite producing absurdly powerful people like satele, tends to skip generations, for example neither revans son nor satele’s were force sensitive. This to me explains why palpatine(or the force in older versions) would choose specifically anakins mother to carry the chosen one, as they are descendants of a peculiarc pivotal, and powerful force bloodline. I also do not believe that any other bloodline like this has been observed and revan is the closest the old republic has to the chosen one, and it could even be argued he fits the prophecy as well as anakin
I hope that, now that Revan and other Sith are now Canon due to the Rise of Skywalker Guide Book, that Disney Canonizes or at least closely adapts all of the Old Republic except for the MMO's storyline. I honestly do not like a single thing about the story of the MMO, nor the Revan Retcons it decided were necessary. Have Bane be a Disciple in Kreia's Sith Academy who finds Darth Revan's Holocron and rebuilds the Sith while the Exile rebuilds the Jedi Order, have Revan's disappearance be do kill the first Sith Cult living on the planet Palpatine is on in Rise of Skywalker, and just set the Jedi Civil War around 1020 or so BBY. Clean, efficient, and with nothing of value lost.
The old republic is so good because its similarities to both our own history I.E greek gods, roman empire and Vikings. As well as being like the silmirillion from tolkiens works. As in it's the myth and tales of the modern era that we know and read or watch.
I love this era of the scope of the battles and mystery of both the Galactic Republic and the Sith empire. I hope Disney Lucasfilm doesn't decide to ruin this, due to their current leadership.
Zayne Carrick, a somewhat clumsy and insecure, yet good-hearted Padawan during the the Mandalorian Wars. He was falsely accused of murdering his fellow Padawans (actually killed by their own masters) after the masters saw a vision where 1 of the Padawans (identity hidden) fell to the dark side and killed everyone in the Jedi Enclave.
Ah, the Old Republic era. You'll never find such a beautiful hive of freedom and creativity. A.K.A, That one time Star Wars wasn't completely about those goddamn Skywalkers.
It was about goddamn Qel-Dromas, Sunriders and Shans
@@goodmind4940 Revan was none of those things.
@@briancauble3711 Revan is Shan technically
@@goodmind4940 Revan had a kid with Shan, was partnered with Shan he himself is not one. Just like Han is a Solo not a Skywalker.
@@briancauble3711 yeah, but his kid has Shan name, not Revan's surname (does he have one?)
The Old Republic Era has so muc rich lore and history along with great characters like Revan, Bastila, Kreia, Malgus, Exile, Nihilus, Sion, and so many more. Plus it’s just more interesting seeing the Jedi and Sith as War Lords instead of either a dying order or an order in shadows
Just be glad Disney hasn't touched anything related to the Old Republic. Not at least until *Kathleen Kennedy* is replaced by *Jon Favreau* as head of *Lucas Film.* Only then we'll get Star Wars films that respect the lore.
Even other characters with much smaller roles were way more interesting than most characters in the Skywalker saga with 2 of my personal favorite sith lords, Darth Jadus and Darth Marr, who both had small roles to play yet were vastly fascinating characters to me, as well as many others of course.
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Yep, exactly. Even the side characters of the Old Republic were more interesting than some of the “main” characters in the Sequel Trilogy.
Disney: We have no source material to make new stories with.
Exactly. Such a disrespect when the heads of Disney said star wars didn't have rich lore or Canon to base off of. The old republic is easily most of star wars fans favorite Era and contains many of the best stories and characters and of the franchise.
It's the closest thing the setting has to a proper Galaxy spanning conflict. The Great Galactic War lasted for 30 years as the Sith Empire took over half the galaxy, and even that was considered a very fast offensive. It actually feels like a galaxy spanning conflict.
Agreed that’s why I’m so bored with the original era and sequel era where it’s just self contained battles.
I mean the Vong had a proper galaxy spanning conflict too.
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime-El lets be honest with the current political atmosphere, liberals only wanted to see cartoon fascists as the villains and bland rebels saving the day.
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F***ing Thrawn waged a war that lasted that long in the Thrawn trilogy, with a small fraction of the resources and against a more prepared enemy.
People always seem to think that the clone wars is the largest war in star wars when that is a complete lie, the mandalorian wars was larger and more destructive that the clone wars and it took the full industrial and military capacity of the republic, abunch of jedi defectors, the greatest military mind at the time (revan) and a planet killing super weapon to beat them.
Meanwhile the entire clone wars is just palpatine playing 4d chess with himself which is why I don't really like it that much
And unlike in the recent movies, not every conflict is caused by the same one old evil space wizard. Three wars Papa Palpatine caused, give him a rest, jeez.
That's part of why I don't like the clone wars era, it's just palpatine playing 4d chess with himself.
While the Clone Wars may be my favorite SW era due to nostalgia+aesthetics, the Old Republic stuff is nearly as fascinating to me due to its expansiveness and...well, there's some sort of quality there I'm not sure how to describe it. A sort of...vagueness, perhaps? Maybe not to the extent of Warhammer 40k, but the sense of vast mysteries out there is similar.
Your point on how the Old Republic era is a much more free setting (not stepping on the toes of various characters' histories) is something you mentioned to me some time ago, and is something I've thought a decent bit about. While I personally enjoy the fleshing out of previously established characters, there really is something to be said for the freedom afforded by having a setting that doesn't have to worry about that.
It really does feel more "mythological", as you put it.
Disney should have gone balls to the wall in scale for the sequel trilogy. Get rid of the rule of two as Snoke wasnt a sith and had Kylo just lead squads of dark jedi while Luke does the same.
Trying to sorta remake a TOR setting in the sequels would've actually worked in their favor if they wanted to release 1 movie per year, which was their initial plan.
Daniel Boyas yeah and the plot could be about Luke trying to bring back Kylo (Ben) to the light.
Maybe Rey could have been Luke’s apprentice who has to take over in the 8th film but has a lot of eternal struggles
And then the 9th could be Rey overcoming the struggles and bringing back Kylo. The last battle could be them and the republic fighting off dark Jedi and their troops of the remanence of the empire!
Why Disney! How could you have missed this!?
Thinking Machine that would’ve been fucking great
Thinking Machine
True, and since Luke wasn’t a traditional Jedi, and the entire would only be dark Jedi, they wouldn’t all have to die, and could joint together again and defeat the empire, so that Anakin’s sacrifice and legacy as the Chosen One isn’t made redundant by Rey all over again.
They just wanted to do a soft remake of the original films for the sake of nostalgia.
Completely agree. The Old Republic Era is amazing due to the multitude of different narratives with no primary protagonist that must survive for later.
In a sense it is the Game of Thrones (early seasons) of Star Wars where the overall narrative (aka societies/cultures/etc) takes priority over individual storylines. Every character can be killed off and the story will continue just fine while the main films have characters that get to wear plot armor and thus everything that happens ends up being centered around those characters. This is similar to how the later seasons of the Game of Thrones show ended up when the shift changed from telling a story of the overall world and focused on individual narratives where the main cast was granted plot armor.
Especially it's due to the fact that without Darth Revan's holocron, Bane wouldn't have changed the ways of the Sith order and the Sith wouldn't have ruled the Galaxy when Emperor Palatine ruled the Galaxy
@ is he wrong in what he said tho?
@dark zeratul No he did not lol. Revan had an entire Sith Empire built up to fight the true Sith Empire. Never once did Revan ever indicate that only two sith should exist because that is idiotic. He did imply that a Sith Master should only have one apprentice, but that is a huge leap to only two sith should exist at all times.
SheoMad I think the darth bane books actually say that he learned of the rule of 2 from revan
@@BigSackboy Only about apprentices... Not about the actual number of Sith.
@@SheoMad yes he did in his holocron read the Bane trilolgy
In the old "Legends" Expanded Universe my favorite stories were almost always one starring original characters, simply because those characters had far more flexibility in their arcs. Luke, Han, Leia, and the rest of the established movie characters were locked into clearly defined personalities and arcs that *NOBODY* would be dumb enough to mess with, or be allowed to even if they wanted to (Cough - Sequels - cough), but with something like Grand Admiral Thrawn or Wraith Squadron writers could go hog wild.
The Old Republic era takes that idea and applies to entire epochs. I love it.
Even at the earliest part of the old republic era, their technology was more advanced than ours.
Finally! Someone who understands why KOTOR II's exploration and deconstruction was properly handled compared to TLJ. I've made my own piece on the subject but it's infuriating to see many others just blatantly ignore the logistics & context for each one.
KOTOR II had room to experiment; it had the chance to do so because the setting was left relatively unexplored. New characters and worlds could be used to take Avellone's ideas and make them whole. Using Luke Skywalker and the state of the galaxy after Episode VI was NOT where one goes to do that. It's just that simple.
You summed it up pretty well.
@Glühfunke The ideas were introduced poorly in the Last Jedi though, thus they have an poor foundation leaving the next movie nothing to work with. So I don't think JJ could of done anything.
It's funny too because Tales of the Jedi: Redemption has the same story as TLJ's Jake Skywalker and Rey. The difference is it works with Ulic Qel-Droma and Vima Sunrider because Ulic was actually written consistently and felt bad for his actions, and Vima was shown to always be a bit of a free spirit even as a small child.
I really like Swtor. Admittedly I've only done Sith warrior and Imp Agent stories which I'd say are probably the most interesting ones. I've dabbled in every other class story but not completed.
I'd be interested in hearing though what you like and dislike about Swtor.
try the sith inquisitor story, i loved it
The Raging Storm Although it can’t beat the Imperial agent story, the bounty hunter is quite good if you can get into the flow. You’re not exactly just some bounty hunter but you’re a contestant in a competition. If you can get into the weird story it’s good basically.
The Imperial Agent is the best storyline imo.
@@revbladez5773 I mean at the time they couldn’t make a game like the cinematic trailers at the time. Mainly due to how many people would play and all of the bugs it would have and eventually shut down the servers. MMO was just a simple way of doing it and expanding it which (imo) made it easy for them. (Although making an old republic game with enhanced gameplay would be amazing)
what makes Old Republic great ?
i would say - it was writen by people with some talent and who had a grasp of what makes SW great :)
@Tom Ffrench No , but basic building blocks in good hero story does stay the same .
If you have the same bricks , does not mean you have to build the same house over and over again :)
The aesthetic of Ancient Republic looks like a non-hellscape version of 40k in aesthetics.
Also, neutral alignment Imperial Agent best class.
Although the Rise of the Empire/Dark Times era is my favorite, (I just am more attached the characters and think the writing is better overall. Before TCW of course.) I definitely appreciate and love the archaic feel of the Old Republic. Seeing how the Jedi fell from grace and became trapped by their dogmatic philosophies, or how the Sith evolved from ferocious conquerors and into insidious puppetmasters, infiltrating, corrupting, and shaping galactic events from the shadows. It's all facinating to read.
Like you said, it reads like a history book or mythology. A collection of epic tales spanning millennia.
As much as I like to see this era in the movies, It like youtuber that I watch says, this era, we are currently in has the terrible habbit of turning good things into crap sadly.
Imagine an old Republic animated show that was like Clone Wars?
I actually wouldn't be opposed to that, provided it was Clone Wars quality and not Rebels. It would be the perfect way to reintroduce old lore, bring back everyone this video talked about and those not mentioned: Nomi Sunrider, Zayne Karrick, Mandalore the Indomitable, everyone could finally come home...so long as Disney give the writers the freedom to do it right.
Tahkaullus01 Yeah. What made Clone Wars such a good show for me was we never solely just stick with Anakin. Sometimes we were with him, then we had a storyline with Padme, or Ashoka, or the Clones, or Mandalore, or the Bounty Hunters, or Maul.
That sort of format fits in with the Old Republic era so greatly because it reminds us there wasn’t a “protagonist” throughout the era, but rather many heroes and many villains.
Only if we just put a heavy, heavy, _heavy_ gloss over what EA did to Revan and The Exile at the end.
@@BOOFIRE191 It's just hard not to get frustrated at such wasted potential. I got the same feeling with Halo 5, and from what I hear, fans of Mortal Kombat lore have been feeling this with every new entry so far.
So I guess every long running franchise shits the bed at some point, and the best we can do is find another mattress or start the day and wait for them to clean it.
@@BOOFIRE191 Yeah, I personally like SWTOR but they fucked up Revan just like our boy Rian fucked up Luke.
@@mawrak Agreed.
Damn, HK47 was stronger than Revan in the foundry. Love SWTOR but that was painful.
@@mawrak I actully kind of like the book it brings a sense of human to Revan.
*Meanwhile at Disney*
Disney: Revan and Malak had an intense sexual relationship.
if Revan is female I'm okay with this.
@@revantobias8567 Honestly, that sounds like a good fanfiction, if done right.
And a great scream was heard across the Force
Disney reads smutty fanfics for inspiration
You forgot to say how they revealed it! Remember? It's on Disney×, and it's a short. Shows Rey going to, then subsequently owning Revan's world forge, by merging her force with the technology. See she needed his hilt to open a door, that hosted the soul o cron (holocron but containing a force wielders soul, KEEP UP) in order to revive B. But instead brings back VADER (from Episode 3 just as hes killing younglings). After she beats him in his prime by JUMPING OVER HIM from the LOWEST ground, his mind is wiped, and is sent back in time, but the memory still lingers, as he travels to Mustafar. Oh! Also, she gets his belt, buckle so Vader had to change his clothes, into his fresher black robes. When she tosses the buckle onto Revans desk, his journal falls, pops open and shows text with "xoxo" next to a self drawn doodle of Malak and a heart for 2.1 seconds before cutting away to Rey training her apprentice baby Yoda....Also shes the last mandalorian. Armor and all! :o Cant believe you'd leave ALL that out! For shame D:
The Old Republic game for all its writing flaws is still the only piece of real Star Wars we are getting. I didn't have a problem with Revan or the exile (That wasn't her who was the Emperor's love on Correllia guys) the voice sounded the same but that was because they were to lazy to get a voice acter. Still, it is respecting the characters and we get to see Malgus and the rest.
I disagree. It's lazy writing and they're just reusing characters they know we love. That's what companies like EA/Disney do these days.
@@HalfdanMCMX writing the whole thing off because of Revan/Exile isn't fair to everything else, as close to 90% of TOR stories do not use these characters.
@@HalfdanMCMX It still has plenty of great stories to tell. One failure at an expansion (which I admit, did kinda ruin two great characters) isn't going to ruin the entire plot of an MMO.
I have a book called star wars the essential guide to warfare (Bascily every major event in the expanded universe or legends now)
And I agree with how crazy it was
Samurai looking jedi, The proto proto light saber which was a 'force imbued' sword , And then the Manderlorians riding sky robots down to conquer a planet
It was a very whacky read
(Also in the book there was a small part about the guy how saw the future of the star wars timeline and everything that happened in the past of the timeline)
I own the essential guide to the force and it’s just Full of rich lore and events that it feels like real history
The last time I looked at the Old Republic, I was a kid, so this video both brought that back, and opened my mind to the richness I couldn't process before. Thanks.
Maybe Vitiate, he pretty much formed the events of the “Classic Republic era” and is the central figure of the “Neo Old Republic Era”. Also is a background character of the Ancient Republic Era
I prefer a timeline where the sith, jedi, republic & the empire exsist simultaneously and where lines between them is somewhat blurred. An academy on both sides and with a internal struggle both politicly & military, where the question isin't about be good or bad but rather which system do you most believe in a universe like this. In swtor I think you get to scout this out thoroughly in where you see the flaws for yourself, I do got criticisms about the game but that's neither here or there.
Well done Ner Vod!
One weird thing I recently noticed is that a Gen-Dai (Durge's species) could theoretically live through the entirety of the time frame where around 99% of Legends content takes place in (5000 BBY - 140 ABY) without dying of old age...
As a regular SWTOR player, the "Neo Old Republic" as you call it is my favorite Era of Star Wars. I don't want Disney to ever touch this era EVER. SWTOR is still alive and well, new stories will be coming out. To me, it's the last bastion of Legends Star Wars, since it still follows old Legends lore, but is also its own thing. I say that it is its own thing because I cant see the stuff in SWTOR becoming the "Dark Ages" stuff.
For starters it will take ages for SWTOR to reach the Dark Ages stuff.
SWTOR has been butchered after the initial relelase with meme storylines and plots that dont make sense
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Still better than Disney
Excellent video! Truly a masterpiece 👍
It is often said that KotOR is a reimagining of central Star Wars themes on a blank canvas, divorced from all the pop culture icons, lines and characters we associate Star Wars with. It's partially what you're hitting on when you talk about why KotOR II's deconstruction works, and TLJ's doesn't.
There's nothing, of course, inherently wrong with TLJ wanting to deconstruct ideas in Star Wars, but it's simultaneously always trying to be consistent with and pay homage to all that stale pop culture imagery from the original films that we all know and love. It's *not* really letting the past die, it doesn't work. There's nothing new at the heart of that movie, only the idea of letting go of the old, without actually doing it. It enjoys having, as literal, actual text: 'let the past die' but the subtext in TLJ is always 'but not really lol'
Which is why it's so fascinating to me that the original KotOR can hit on so many of the same themes, beats and ideas of the original films, of all that old baggage and yet be full of life, be new, vibrant, refreshing. It's said that no work of art entirely escapes genre--and I agree with this. The inverse is also true, no work ever escapes redefining or breaking genre, in subtle or remarkable ways.
It retraces the steps of heroes who've fallen from grace, famous jedi generals fallen to the temptation of the Dark Side. The way KotOR treats its characters, and its protagonist, always reveal a tension: that a character might not be what they are now, that they might fall to temptation, or redeem themselves. The same tension is present throughout Luke and Vader's dynamic, but--not really the SAME tension.
It's exactly that sense of scale that you talk about that differentiates them--we see that dynamic play out with many characters, we're invited to look at an entire society of people moved by light and dark. It's also the fact that we ARE one of those fallen characters. And with KotOR's central twist about WHO you are, that you ARE one of those fallen heroes, but didn't know it. While that twist too calls back to the big moment in Empire Strikes Back, it also redefines it.
Not only, like V, are we asked to recontextualize past information and interpretations of events--KotOR wants more of us. Empire wants to shock its audience and cap off a personal journey for Luke, KotOR invites the player into a deeper reflection about self, the people around that self, and the competing Jedi and Sith codes which animate the conflicts around us.
At their best, the most iconic moments and ideas of the original films invite us to wonder, for a moment, of the society, institutions and people behind them, that would flesh out and give them further depth and nuance. The world of the old republic gives us those things, fleshes out those ideas. They take those moments and iterate upon them in meaningful ways. KotOR is certainly part of that 'Star Wars' genre so widely recognized, but it is also, in key ways, something different and new. And, of course, those little genre breaks in KotOR allow for the comprehensive, complete deconstruction of KotOR II--it paves the way, makes room for it on the canvas.
Nice video!
And this is also why I've grown to dislike the Skywalker Saga even more. There are too many restrictions with the lore to do major changes. Everything has to be within these few hundred years and must follow the basic plotline set by the major characters, like Vader, without challenging anything too much, otherwise it won't make sense. Like how in The Clone Wars you could always tell they had to keep Anakin and Grievous apart since they canonically don't meet till ep3 or when we know that Ahsoka has to leave somehow since she does not appear later on. Also this restricts characters such as Ahsoka to make any major impact. It is really strange how the universe feels so small in some ways while in the TOR era you have this grand scale making even the most epic of events to seem small in the larger scale of things. Like for example, everything your character does in swtor feels relatively small, even the big events, cause so much has and will happen in this timeline that this grand and epic event feels like only a small piece of a giant puzzle.
The old republic is just full of rich lore and amazing characters, but also because it’s full of Jedi and sith and how they view the force which is actually the compelling reason I am a Star Wars fan and what makes Star Wars so unique.
Thanks a lot for this video. I now have a clear and concise way to explain why the Old Republic era is so great without having to delve too much into details. I've never been good at summarizing things, and you presented a great outlook at the whole that is the Old Republic from a storytelling point of view.
Havent watched a boofire video in a while. This looks like a good place to start again. Nice new clothes ya got there man. Tho i miss your mando armor.
Old republic will forever be the goat lmao rlly love their characters and lore revan especially.
I like the Old Republic period for the simple reason that the great diversity of factions, characters, and places means roleplaying is a lot more free. No Rule of Two means you can RP a Sith if you like, and the Sith have an actual culture aside from "hand wavy evil stuff". Likewise, the Jedi are large and diverse and not about to get stomped to dust like the prequels. You also have non-Force users, non-Jedi/Sith Force users, and even interesting factions like larger corporations, unaligned factions, etc. Some of these things still exist in the movies era, but they are tighter and more regulated for narrative reasons. Basically, the closer you get to the movies, the tighter the narrative becomes due to creative control and franchise necessity.
Ik I’m extremely late to ask this question but do you think the old republic is the era where the Jedi and Sith were at their strongest or do you think the rule of two sith surpassed its predecessors.
Great video! The Old Republic is my favorite Star Wars era, as well, and I think you summed nicely many of the reasons why.
Agree with you 100% when I was growing up The old republic era is what lucasfilm was concentrating on with expansion and I loved it because it felt like I was their with the ancient sith learning their mistakes and the mysteries of the force with them
Thank you KOTOR for making me a Old Republic era fan!
The "Legends" stories had better characters and better stories than the last 3 movies. We need those back. Splinter in a Mind's Eye would be amazing to see.
even tho thats neiter current canon nor Legends canon
@@datzfatz2368 It was canon long before anything else of this current garbage
@@Redneckthinker Huh ok i just looke dit up on Wookiepedia and apparently you are right, it is canon to the EU/Legends timeline. Didnt even know that^^. And btw, you seem to get the wrong impression of me, the EU/Legends Timeline is the only one i recognize as canon, with the excetpion of CLone Wars because that fits with the later Stuff and i prefer it to the original Clone Wars personally. The enjoyable things coming out of Disney Star Wars have been the Spinoff Movies, CWS7 and Mando. The new main Trilogy however doesnt exists as far as im concerned.
But really, Splinter over Thrawn or maybe Vong/Legacy content? I dont really think Splinter is a high point of the EU but hey, you do you man.^^
@@datzfatz2368 I read Splinter when it came out and it takes me back to a happier time in the continuity. I love the Thrawn books, but being nostalgic is for when things were not as convoluted as they are now.
Lucas coming back my help this new direction that Disney is going. If they could get EA to be a valid partner, then we might have a better universe than the MCU. I doubt it, but a person can dream.
@@Redneckthinker ah well thats understandable^^ since Legacy of the Force was my Entry to the EU it has the same effect for me^^ but yeah, we share in that dream then. I wish that they would just erase this new continutiy and either make a better new one with an actual plan or just give the old EU the treatment it deserves. sadly, thats pretty unlikely^^
Great video, do more on the old republic
Interesting take. I only have some surface knowledge of the Old Republic so your perspective was illuminating and well stated. Thank you.
The High republic era is announced, looking a lot more like the old republic era only in peace time.
it will be the new republic minus no siths
There was Valkorion who did dominate a massive portion of the old Republic timeline; him and the outlander are essentially the main Villan and hero of setting specifically.
Hands down the best star wars era.
Revive Old Star Wars legends
The real reason the old republic was great. no whiny tantrum throwing emotionally unstable skywalkers ruining this era and no empire desperate enough to rely on planet destroying tech over and over and over again . it has some originality and opens the potential of skilled ppl on both sides as well as the power of the force
Well, that's not true. Both factions had planet destroying superweapons, you had the Emperor of one literally consume all life on the planet, destroying it, while hightailing to the other end of the galaxy to summon a planet razing fleet, and "emotionally unstable" describes several important characters in the era, including a Sith who kills his girlfriend because it somehow would make him more powerful. Just because their last name isn't Skywalker doesn't make that less true.
KNIGHTS OF DESTINY
Long before the Saga, was an Age of Legends, of Heroes, and Warriors in an Era of Conflict.
During this time The Republic was expanding it's sphere of influence, even to the Outer Reaches up to the edge of Unknown Regions.
The Jedi were tasked with this exploration, thus establishing themselves in the Outpost, a space station built to serve as a beacon in the midst of Dark Zone. A distress call from one of the ships has alerted the Jedi of an impending danger ...
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I don't think I've commented on how freaking awesome your new thumbnail is! The Death Korps of Krieg may be insanely suicidal fanatics matched only by their desire to bombard everything they perceive as an enemy to the Emperor or the Imperium into nth dimension, but damn it if they don't know how to dress for the occasion!
His new image is a mixture of the Death Korps of Krieg and a Zeon (Char) Uniform with the Brand of the Sacrifice on it.
Basically the old republic is like a epic galactic odyssey in the context of how the sith an jedi shaped it, while every other era is like a small footnote that focus on how a handful of individual shaped history. It's like having the history of Europe be available for story telling but you only focus on WII and the 30 years after it
The Old Republic is like reading ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian stories into one. Because of the massive timescales involved many things happened.
My favorite things about old republic was lord vindican and the eternal twins
Boofire you should make a video about your thoughts of the Old Republic MMO's story.
Anything Old Republic era I love.
Boofire. I want to get more into EU after hearing how better it is than the canon stuff. I've played and beaten KOTOR 1, have 2 (havent played it yet), have read the first bane book, and have played the first world of the old republic mmo (but am struggling to have a reason to keep with the game)
Any games/books you can recommend for the old republic?
Also one of the greatest character narrative in all of Star Wars video game ever-KOTOR is set in this era. So well written and established, it make you want to read more.
When are you gonna do stories again? Like series similar to the earth in SW saga and the one about 40k. I forgot the name you gave it
@@BOOFIRE191 fuck yea
What about the period before the 2nd Jedi Schism, I would call it the Prehistoric Republic or something and would include the events taking place from the founding of the Republic to the 2nd Jedi Schism. I personally would love to explore this period as well as the Pre Rupublic era
Hi I want to read the old republic era in book and comic form and was just wondering how to do that in chronological order, can you help with that?
Plz make more videos about the old republic
Has anyone ever asked Chirs Avellone what he'd have done for a Kotor III? Cause I don't think it was SWOTOR.
Basically it was mass effect, revan and the exile were supposed to unite the galaxy against the sith from dark space
Swotor?
@@imposterblockade1826 Star Wars Online the old republic
I love this era too much to want Disney to even touch it.
Old Republic era is my favouritye too.
So many stories (At least until Disney decide on killing them as well)
Too be fair, post OR eras having less characters make perfect sense. I can explain if I want
yea i always go back and watch Gnost Dural time line vids for pretty much these reasons i certainly feel like there more in star wars past than in its future.
I think you could honestly set the next series of Star Wars like 200 years in the future and have a whole new cast of characters and pretty much have a similar canvas to work with.
Apparently, Revan is back in the cannon as that he was added in a book by Hildago for the return of jake skywalker. So says Wookiepedia.
I Dont trust the judas of star wars
@@theblade1251 To be a betrayer, you have to have had some loyalty in the first place.
@@therevahchist2790 but in the end that loyalty will be broken in the end.
Holy Emperor, Boofire covering Star Wars again? It’s a pleasant surprise but how do we know he wasn’t replaced with one of Tzeentch’s daemons?
exile and kreia are my favorite characters from the entire ip.
BOOFIRE191 What is your opinion on the Star wars Legacy Comic series?
Personally, I love the story of SWTOR! It’s the main reason I keep playing!
Yet it this is the most unrecognized era.
in canon
The first old Star Wars legends :
Star wars the splinter of the minds eye by Alan Dean Foster
Are you going to cover the Infinite Empire Era?
Can you make a video explaining what you disliked and liked about the lore of SWTOR mmo.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on SWTOR.
The Old Republic era is my fave I wish disney game Out a said that the Era was Canon agian
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Ohh Old Republic!!! The Golden Age of the Sith and the Jedi!!!
I like this era because it was a time where the sith and jedi fought in masses like the crusades between two powerful religions over their view of the force.
Love the old republic but my only personal dislike for it is the overwhelming focus on Jedi and Sith. What was special about the lightsabers is now getting played out to the point that they have to come up with some cool lightsaber gimmick to keep them cool. The force, the jedi, sith, I just wish was done with a little more subtlety.
the technological recession in the galactic dark age is so crayz
What comics are good to get into the old republic
Best Era by far. Neither made by Lukas nor the fat sausage fingers of Disney.
So besides kotor, what stuff should I read about the old republic?
Great video.
KotOR is a very interesting and what Disney could have done is scrap the sequels and make a new trilogy with the old republic in the past or with some new thing where they make it very far into the future maybe 4000 ABY that could be interesting. They could also do movies about Starkiller or (Galen Merick) assuming you have not played the force unleashed.
Hardcore KOTOR fan here. While I’m uncomfortable around what they did with Revan in SWTOR lore, playing it for the first time three weeks ago I can see it very clearly now is a KOTOR successor. If you doubt what I say, give the devs $20 and get a subscription to the free game. Play the story, craft shit for credits and experience the influence system. I’ve modded both KOTOR games into unrecognisable messes, played every class to completion and more to the point generally despise MMORPGs. I do not despise SWTOR. Neither should any KOTOR fan who has not given it a fair lick in recent times.
Surprised you didn't go further back to the Jed'aii Order because that stuff is really interesting. Monolithic octahedrons abduct children to Tython and they don't have lightsabers but force-imbued swords and they interact with the Infinite Empire and their Force Hounds from beyond the rim from who knows where! The Force Hounds were great, powerful dark side users wielding my favorite of all star wars weapons: the forcesaber. The very first type of lightsaber that was literally a beam of dark side energy focused through a crystal that can only be used when channeling the dark side. Also, this is the time when tatooinee was a lush jungle world whose rather intelligent inhabitants refused to submit to the Rakata and thus had their planet blasted with a beam so devestating, the planet was glassed and then that glass broke apart over time and became sand. The natives regressed into primarily two new races: Jawas and Tusken raiders, never to regain the former glory.
I don't recall them being abducted to tython. Wasn't it more like the constructs called to Force sensitives, they answered the call and then travelled to Tython?
@@james501001 It's been awhile since I read it but maybe, yeah
@@BOOFIRE191 I agree. The slow start and world building was great but if very quickly was rushed... I blame internal politics and disney
To me Star Wars is the Skywalker saga(episodes I-VI, and including Lucas's sequel trilogy outlines), KOTOR and KOTOR II, the 2003 Clone Wars microseries, the cancelled Underworld series, TCW, SWTOR, Rebels, the Marvel Vader comic, Rogue One, the Mandalorian, and the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series. Everything else doesn't really matter to me. Though I'm planning on reading the Thrawn Trilogy.
What about the Star Wars: Republic comics?
The Classic Old Republic has a Michael Moorecock kind of feel
Yeah the old republic is kinda the best, I will say though it maybe cuts down th flexibility a bit I’ve always been a fan of the theory that the skywalkers are distant descendants of Revan
This is because Revan’s bloodline despite producing absurdly powerful people like satele, tends to skip generations, for example neither revans son nor satele’s were force sensitive. This to me explains why palpatine(or the force in older versions) would choose specifically anakins mother to carry the chosen one, as they are descendants of a peculiarc pivotal, and powerful force bloodline.
I also do not believe that any other bloodline like this has been observed and revan is the closest the old republic has to the chosen one, and it could even be argued he fits the prophecy as well as anakin
The Old Republic era is where one can become a Dark Lord of the Sith, and a member of the Dark Council.
I hope that, now that Revan and other Sith are now Canon due to the Rise of Skywalker Guide Book, that Disney Canonizes or at least closely adapts all of the Old Republic except for the MMO's storyline. I honestly do not like a single thing about the story of the MMO, nor the Revan Retcons it decided were necessary. Have Bane be a Disciple in Kreia's Sith Academy who finds Darth Revan's Holocron and rebuilds the Sith while the Exile rebuilds the Jedi Order, have Revan's disappearance be do kill the first Sith Cult living on the planet Palpatine is on in Rise of Skywalker, and just set the Jedi Civil War around 1020 or so BBY. Clean, efficient, and with nothing of value lost.
The old republic is so good because its similarities to both our own history I.E greek gods, roman empire and Vikings. As well as being like the silmirillion from tolkiens works. As in it's the myth and tales of the modern era that we know and read or watch.
I love this era of the scope of the battles and mystery of both the Galactic Republic and the Sith empire. I hope Disney Lucasfilm doesn't decide to ruin this, due to their current leadership.
Who is the guy from the thumbnail?
Zayne Carrick, a somewhat clumsy and insecure, yet good-hearted Padawan during the the Mandalorian Wars.
He was falsely accused of murdering his fellow Padawans (actually killed by their own masters) after the masters saw a vision where 1 of the Padawans (identity hidden) fell to the dark side and killed everyone in the Jedi Enclave.
It's too bad we didn't get anything on the Pius Dea. That was a great 1000 years.
#HumanityFirst
What's your opinion on SWTOR?
The tales of the jedi comics are definitely over looked IMO, glad to see somebody knowledge their qualities
Lucasfilm: you mean the HIGH Republic era
High Republic is beilived to be post Bane. So Galactic Republic Era
@@bendarby24 ah. Now my joke is ruined