Lmao, imagine 😅 This is what leads Stellaris players to genocide, Civ 6 Players to skip Denouncing and just go to straight up Surprise War, Crusader King's 3 Players to just max out Martian and Prowess, not a shred of Diplomacy. 😅.
Darth Malgus was really angry with the Treaty of Coruscant. He wanted to crush the whole Republic. Probably a good thing he never got the chance. Because he might've succeeded.
Might have? He totally would have. I'd malgus took over the empire and crushed the sith, we would have a WAY different sw universe. He wanted to stop most of the Jedi sith fighting towards the end iirc.
The Sith at this time were terribly tactically brilliant. They thoroughly beat and screwed over the Republic, causing fear and shortages in necessities so bad that they were forced to face civil unrest, drew in new allies before being backed into a corner, and when they offered a truce, they put a knife to the throat of Galactic Center to ensure that the Treaty of Coruscant was nonnegotiable for them. Even after the Treaty, the Sith embedded fear into the Galaxy and therefore made it last by forcing everybody to acknowledge the Sith Empire’s legitimacy in what’s essentially their backyard. That’s just insane. As a side note, props goes to the writers cause it explains well why SWTOR’s story seems to last so long.
Well not necessarily, a lot of civil wars, espionage and sabotage campaigns took place during the 30 year ,,Cold War" between the Republic and the Empire. Plus, everyone sort of knew the Sith would never be content even with half the galaxy and war would come again sooner or later.
“Our time has come. For three hundred years, we prepared. We grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe, and protected. You were trusted to lead the Republic, but you were deceived, as our powers of the dark side have blinded you. You assumed no force could challenge you, and now, finally, we have returned. You were deceived. And now, your Republic shall fall.” - Darth Malgus This little speech Malgus gives in the Deceived trailer for SWTOR perfectly sums up the problems with the Jedi that eventually would lead to Palpatine and order 66. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
“Our time has come. For 300 years, we prepared. We grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe... and protected. You were trusted to lead the Republic-but you were deceived, as our powers of the dark side have blinded you. You assumed no force could challenge you... and now...finally... we have returned. You were deceived. And now, your Republic... shall fall.”
I know many of you, Geetsly included, aren't happy with how the original vision for the True Sith came to pass. They would have been cool. But, personally, I really enjoy the Reconstituted Sith Empire. Especially in this stage of the war, when they come out of nowhere and devastate the galaxy with brutal efficiency and terror tactics. Vitiate himself is one of my favourite SW villains, with his unfathomable power and endless hunger for total domination. If Sidious can be equated to the Anti-Christ, then Vitiate is like a Lovecraftian Old God.
The Great Galactic War will be one of the most deadliest conflict that both the Jedi and the Republic were facing a opponents that were either equal or greater in strength considering that this conflict will only be compared to the latter Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War thousands years in the future.
Your read on some of the events in the "Revan" novel were a bit different than mine. To me it looked like Revan and Malek did exactly what the Sith Emperor wanted, which was soften his eventual target the Republic.
Darth Vitiate: I will consume all life in the galaxy. Immortality will be mine. Outlander: Are you sure about that? *Fast forward 3600 some odd years* Darth Plagueis: *Manipulates Midi-chlorians and unlocks eternal life.* Darth Sidious: Nah, we can't have that. Conclusion: ಠ_ಠ
Got a Theory why the Treaty of Coruscant was signed, why the Sith Emperor even agreed to it. you see, When you free Revan as a republic character from the Maelstrom Prison. He has this to say: 'The Emperor used me as his Link to the Light Side of the Force, the Jedi Order. Through me, he saw Visions. In that Same Link also gave me Influence, i convinced the Emperor that Peace was in his best interest, it Tempered his Hate.' so because of Revan's "Mind-Battle" with the Sith Emperor, he managed to temper his Hatred... and With 'convinced the emperor peace was in his best interest' so, Revan actually made sure the Sith Emperor accepted the Peace Treaty?
(After Scourge's vision) Scourge: Oh crap. Revan isn't the chosen one. What do I do? Oh I know. (proceeds to kill Meetra Surik) Revan: Dude what the f- !? (Revan gets imprisoned)
He was brainwashed at first, but Revan managed to break free from the Emperor's mind control over time, however he still rationalised that the dark side was the best path to victory, so he remained in it
@@KingofDiamonds117 why's that? remember the emperor's power is something we've never seen before, its nothing against revan that he failed to resist the influence. the emperor did the same thing to 8000 sith on his home planet at the same time, so the fact that revan managed to break free at all is a testament to his fortitude imo.
Sidious: "whitch one had actual Control of the entire Galaxy and did not had Still to deel with a hole planet amont of Jedi hell i Lost because i was blinded by rage and Anakin was the actual chosen one. The hero of typhon spanked our ass"
If there is an era in the Old Republic that deserved TV Series of its own, it's definitely the Great Galactic War and the Cold War. Just think about it. The series followed a group of young Sith apprentices freshed out of the academy as the protagonists who joined the war against the Republic, rising through the ranks and scoring some hot female Sith and Imperial waifu on the ways to the point of gaining the titles of Darth of their own. And during the Cold War, their children grown up to follow the footsteps of their parents to become Sith Lords in their own rights. And if Palpatine and Maul are born in the Sith Empire under Darth Vitiate, what can they do and how will they do it in order to gain the titles of Darth of their own and in Palpatine's case, earning a seat on the Dark Council? I doubted he can become the Emperor or one of his Voices, though. By the way, is the alliance between the Sith Empire and the Mandalorians during this time can be a factor why the Republic and the Jedi committed ethnocide that is the Mandalorian Excision many centuries later on?
I know it's not exactly the topic of the video, I feel it's worth mentioning that Scourge literally stabbed Surik in the back, killing her instantly. And T3-M4 was destroyed by Vitiate. Two major characters from the KOTOR games, including the subject of the last video, dead within moments. It really sucked.
Hmm, am just gonna sideline this Infinities saga to my C-team Multiversal operatives. Thank heavens our tiresome services there will finally start to end, although that means coming to more Dragon Age Multiverse kriffery. By the way, losing Coruscant is a merciful godsend in hindsight, trust me. Just don't bullkark me with "weh, but what about the symbolism of the Galactic Center and the destruction of economic advantages?" rhetoric... it's those self same reasons that horrendously corrupted the galaxy ever since the Daragons were rescued by those two overheroic Jedi.
My biggest problem with SWTOR lore was that the Chiss Ascendancy, as detailed in the EU (which SWTOR was supposedly based in) had only been founded 1,000 years earlier, was set in a completely different area of space the the Sith and Republic couldn't access at the time (beyond the hyperspace disturbance that cut the entire western disk off from the rest of the galaxy), and while the Chiss were vaguely known about during the Dark Wars, which is when the first Chiss explorers came to the main galaxy and their technology could be sold (such as the charric rifle), the Chiss Ascendancy was not known about by the Republic or really anyone in the wider galaxy until they were discovered in an encounter with Outbound Flight, and their existence was kept secret by Palpatine so well that they weren't discovered again until a few years after the Thrawn campaign, when Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade stumbled across the Empire of the Hand, Thrawn's personal offshoot mini-Empire/Ascendancy. Chiss Space is in the true Unknown Regions, while the True Sith Empire of SWTOR is based from Dromund Kass, a planet in the Stygian Caldera, which would have been found by the Republic in their counterinvasion during the Great Hyperspace War. The possibility of them existing there in the first place completely defies the established geography of the galaxy, as well as established lore. Therefore, by EU standards, it isn't canon to the main EU. SWTOR can only possibly exist in an alternate version of the Star Wars galaxy. None of this would've been a problem if Obsidian's pitch for KotOR III would have gone through, as it is expressly mentioned in interviews that the main character, the Exile, would have gone with only T3-M4 and HK-47 across the great hyperspace disturbance and into the western disk, with something about crossing the border causing the character progress to revert back to lvl 1 again at the start of the game. Hell, it would've been great to go into that, with the way it was described and the way hints were dropped about the Chiss in KotOR II, and be the first people to meet the Chiss, the only group strong enough to oppose the True Sith. It would've been an excellent explanation for why the Chiss are so militaristic, tactically minded, and even ethical (with Thrawn being a notable exception to that last one). They were literally the ones to stand up against and help defeat the True Sith alongside the Exile, Revan, and likely HK-47's droid army and the reformed Mandalorians under Canderous, with back-up from the Exile's Jedi who would've served as a proto-version or blueprint for what thousands of years later would've been Luke's New Jedi Order.
@Алексей Момот Yeah, Dromund Kass originally appeared in Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion to Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight. Kyle Katarn goes there, finds a cult and some old Sith ghosts and goes crazy, and Mara Jade (who was his first Jedi trainee) had to go rescue him and bring him back to the Light. Planet was around before the Old Republic comics, and I'm pretty sure the only mention of the Dromund system after is briefly in one of the comics where Marka Ragnos was still ruling the old Sith Empire. At least, until SWTOR. And then there's the official galactic map, which was released in 2009 as part of Star Wars: The Essential Atlas. 2+ years before SWTOR came out. The graphic in the video is literally a map of the events and locations in the Great Hyperspace War, taken straight from pg.127 of the atlas, which shows the path of the True Sith as they evacuated the Stygian Caldera and traveled beyond the great hyperspace disturbance and into the western disk. None of the surviving Sith hid within the Caldera, nor did any return. The survivors went elsewhere. So yeah, massive lore-breaking plothole. Earlier versions of the galactic map in SWTOR even put Chiss space near the Stygian Caldera and directly in Sith Space, including mention of their homeworld Csilla being there. Major violation. Only explination is that SWTOR exists in it's own non-canon version of the EU. It literally cannot exist in the main EU timeline.
The fact that the Sith managed to sack the capital of the Republic and raze most of the Jedi temple, killing many knights and masters of the order, and did it with minimal losses on their side, just shows how powerful the Sith were at this time. I'd say this is the most powerful the Sith have ever been until Palpy cheated the system with coming back from the dead after singlehandedly bringing down both the Republic and the Jedi in one fell swoop. And Malgus is a badass, dude got drip and power! 10/10 would follow him into battle no matter what!
Funny thing is, they all were actually weak as hell. None, absolutely none of the Sith you see bar Vitiate himself were *that* powerful. Clones are far, FAR superior to republic troopers, and republic troopers could go toe to toe with even Malgus and hold him off a bit. The dark side is like venom.
@@XXMatt0040XX republic troopers mauled clones, the feats and showings aren’t even close so I don’t know where you’ve gotten that from. The squad in the trailers was specifically designed to take down Soth on top of that so they’re not even normal republic troopers. many of the higher end sith of the era showed feats superior to that of most of the movie era, even though most of them were kind of fodder. People wank the movie era a lot sheerly off the fact that they’re popular, the fact that these guys were constantly fighting and had prepared for conflict whereas the cinematic era were unaccustomed to combat shows that power difference.
You are right. This is indeed the strongest the sith had ever been. If the Sith Emperor didn’t have his own agenda, he could have easily conquered the galaxy after the sacking of Coruscant
The Galactic Republic in the Old Republic era had to fight against Large quantities of Sith, hence the reason of the harsh Military training that its Military had to undertake. Republic troopers, especially Special Forces had to train to resist force Lightning and all that. The Only people you would see Punching Jedi or sith in the face would be Mandalorians. But the republic troopers of this Era had alot of training against this enemy too. The fact that Jace Malcom, a Special Forces commander could resist and endure Force lightning like that and go face-to-face against a Sith Like Darth Malgus in one of the Cinematic Trailers speaks alot about the training they had to endure. Clone Troopers as seen in their simulations in the Clone Wars are purely meant to fight Droids. Against a Sith lord like Dooku, they are cannon Fodder The Normal, Standard old republic military ofcourse weren't as highly trained to fight sith as their Special Forces, but they still had the tools to deal with one. Clone Troopers only won in order 66, because the deadliest weapon to any jedi or sith is 'Betrayal', it is the Bane of even the most powerfull force users throughout Star WarsHistory. If you'd put the CLone Army in the Old Republic era and the Old Republic Military of SWTOR in the CLone Wars. The Clone Army would so easily be wiped out by the Armies of Sith. compared to the Old Republic Military beating up Dooku and Ventress in a Fist fight by manner of speaking.
@@antimatterstudios8395The Bannite Sith were more powerful than those of the Old Republic minus a few outliers. Only Ragnos, Vitiate, Kun, and probably Sadow.
Honestly, the fact that the original Sith Race disappeared, apparently because of too much inbreeding with others species, means they were by definition not xenophobic but xenophile. If they were xenophobic they'd still be around
Maybe not the original pureblood sith species, but for whatever reason alot of humans in positions of power within the reconstituted sith empire at least flirted with humanocentric xenophobia despite the fact that their entire cultural identity and religion was originally derived from an alien cult. It was apparently such a widespread thing that when he went rogue, Malgus felt the need to proclaim himself a non-racist sith lord advocating tolerance of non-humans as if that was something radically new and different among the sith at the time.
There's a small side quest in SWTOR given by a pureblood sith that deals with that, he asks you to scan some sith lords around for traces of pureblood sith and as expected it's dwindling
@@levongevorgyan6789 its not that it was a choice, its just that human DNA was more dominant than Sith pureblood DNA. Just like brown eyes is dominant over blue eyes.
@@shaydowsith348 No, I mean the Dark Jedi conquered them and more or less married into their priest class using the Dark Side. The Sith species didn't choose to interbreed willingly, the Dark Jedi caused it as conquerors.
I mean there are some bits about "struggling with the call of the light" when some sith hadn't completely snuffed out their empathy or connections. Mostly it's crisis of faith and "have I gone too far" moments that either resolve into redemption or doubling down.
Not really hard to find since its the centre of the galaxy. First of all, a lot of important people in the republic were on Alderaan in peace negotiations with the sith (their distraction), at the same time the empire crashed a shuttle loaded with sith into the jedi temple and took its fleet to bombard Coruscant, they killed all the jedi in the temple and killed the supreme chancellor. When the republic learned of this, they were forced to surrender to the Empire's demands and give them half of the galaxy.
@@xeronix9774 my question is how did they get to Coruscant. Everyone knows where the capital is of course but how did the sith get to the core of republic space? Did the republic navy just lay down all it's arms while it was going through the peace negotiations?
@@NauticalCoffin2404 According to the wiki, Shae Vizla deactivated the planet's defense grid from the ground before the Sith even arrived, this left the planet open to orbital bombardment. As it was an ambush, we can assume the Republic Fleet was not in a position to defend Coruscant. The last thing they would have expected is a Sith invasion. All Republic forces were expected to cease hostilities just as the Empire had appeared to do. The Republic trusted the Empire because they withdrew all their forces from the Minos Cluster, which they were just fighting for. The Republic Fleet may have been dispersed across the galaxy, and any ships that remained in Coruscant's airspace would have been confronted and destroyed by the fleet led by Darth Angral. Even the shuttle the Sith crashed into the Jedi temple was a hijacked Republic vehicle. After conquering Coruscant, the Empire set up a blockade, established martial law, looted the planet, razed the cities, and cut all communication from the planet's surface.
The Sith, due to surviving in the shadows of the unknown regions for several centuries and creating a proper and well governed empire without the usual pitfalls of most sith regimes. Are able to properly organise, grow their forces to a tremendous strength in both military and sith and scout of the lie of the land. Allowing them to inflict the republic's worst ever defeat in history over the course of a decades long war. With Vitiate's empire coming the closest that any sith empire ever did to conquering the known galaxy, before Sidious machinations and then took their foot off the republic's throat, when they had them at their mercy. In the most unlikely show of Sith mercy without explanation.
Personally I think Deceived is a pretty good book, but I feel with some of the swipe content, it could always have a bit more depth if you know what I mean.
We still arent quite there yet, not sure what the sith were up to after this & before the new sith wars, when this is over can we get jedi history next?
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Sith Bureaucrat: "Excellent work, Lord Malgus! However from this point forth, we shall be aiming for a Cultural Victory."
Malgus: 🗿🗿🗿
Sith Bureaucrat: No hard feelings, right?
Malgus: We are trained to retain said feelings.
Sith Bureaucrat: Meep!
Lmao, imagine 😅
This is what leads Stellaris players to genocide, Civ 6 Players to skip Denouncing and just go to straight up Surprise War, Crusader King's 3 Players to just max out Martian and Prowess, not a shred of Diplomacy. 😅.
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Well, they're trained to express their feelings, no?
Darth Malgus was really angry with the Treaty of Coruscant. He wanted to crush the whole Republic. Probably a good thing he never got the chance. Because he might've succeeded.
Malgus should of ruled the galaxy
Might have? He totally would have.
I'd malgus took over the empire and crushed the sith, we would have a WAY different sw universe. He wanted to stop most of the Jedi sith fighting towards the end iirc.
The Sith at this time were terribly tactically brilliant. They thoroughly beat and screwed over the Republic, causing fear and shortages in necessities so bad that they were forced to face civil unrest, drew in new allies before being backed into a corner, and when they offered a truce, they put a knife to the throat of Galactic Center to ensure that the Treaty of Coruscant was nonnegotiable for them. Even after the Treaty, the Sith embedded fear into the Galaxy and therefore made it last by forcing everybody to acknowledge the Sith Empire’s legitimacy in what’s essentially their backyard. That’s just insane.
As a side note, props goes to the writers cause it explains well why SWTOR’s story seems to last so long.
Those Old Republic trailers were pure awesomeness.
When the Sith won it all, the Senate declared, “and we shall have peaceeeeee”.
Yea for the whole lenght of not even 30 Years...
Well not necessarily, a lot of civil wars, espionage and sabotage campaigns took place during the 30 year ,,Cold War" between the Republic and the Empire. Plus, everyone sort of knew the Sith would never be content even with half the galaxy and war would come again sooner or later.
Every true Sith knows that "Peace is a lie".
“Our time has come. For three hundred years, we prepared. We grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe, and protected. You were trusted to lead the Republic, but you were deceived, as our powers of the dark side have blinded you. You assumed no force could challenge you, and now, finally, we have returned. You were deceived. And now, your Republic shall fall.”
- Darth Malgus
This little speech Malgus gives in the Deceived trailer for SWTOR perfectly sums up the problems with the Jedi that eventually would lead to Palpatine and order 66. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
“Our time has come. For 300 years, we prepared. We grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe... and protected. You were trusted to lead the Republic-but you were deceived, as our powers of the dark side have blinded you. You assumed no force could challenge you... and now...finally... we have returned. You were deceived. And now, your Republic... shall fall.”
Old Republic was definitely something else
I know many of you, Geetsly included, aren't happy with how the original vision for the True Sith came to pass. They would have been cool. But, personally, I really enjoy the Reconstituted Sith Empire. Especially in this stage of the war, when they come out of nowhere and devastate the galaxy with brutal efficiency and terror tactics. Vitiate himself is one of my favourite SW villains, with his unfathomable power and endless hunger for total domination. If Sidious can be equated to the Anti-Christ, then Vitiate is like a Lovecraftian Old God.
My Favorite era in Star Wars!
This is how the Dark Side wins. With a bait-and-switch.
"Coruscant has fallen. It's over. Trillions must die."
Quadrillions even.
It's crazy that the empire had the republic in the palm of their hands but revans influence in the emperor's mind made them declare peace.
Its ironic that the one time the Sith chose peace is when they least should've done it lol.
The Great Galactic War will be one of the most deadliest conflict that both the Jedi and the Republic were facing a opponents that were either equal or greater in strength considering that this conflict will only be compared to the latter Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War thousands years in the future.
Your read on some of the events in the "Revan" novel were a bit different than mine. To me it looked like Revan and Malek did exactly what the Sith Emperor wanted, which was soften his eventual target the Republic.
Darth Vitiate: I will consume all life in the galaxy. Immortality will be mine.
Outlander: Are you sure about that?
*Fast forward 3600 some odd years*
Darth Plagueis: *Manipulates Midi-chlorians and unlocks eternal life.*
Darth Sidious: Nah, we can't have that.
Conclusion: ಠ_ಠ
Got a Theory why the Treaty of Coruscant was signed, why the Sith Emperor even agreed to it.
you see, When you free Revan as a republic character from the Maelstrom Prison.
He has this to say:
'The Emperor used me as his Link to the Light Side of the Force, the Jedi Order. Through me, he saw Visions. In that Same Link also gave me Influence, i convinced the Emperor that Peace was in his best interest, it Tempered his Hate.'
so because of Revan's "Mind-Battle" with the Sith Emperor, he managed to temper his Hatred... and With 'convinced the emperor peace was in his best interest' so, Revan actually made sure the Sith Emperor accepted the Peace Treaty?
Change of plans Lord Malgus… let us examine the the doctrine of “hearts and minds”. Also apparently Coruscant doesn’t have any space oil.
The most evil thing the sith the did when they stormed the temple: they didn’t wipe their feet.
And they entered without knocking
@@thirdplanet4471 hmm. I picture the old Saturday night live skit. (Knock on door) who's there? "Landshark"...
Darth Malgus, tbh, is worth a video on his own.
Hello Cam, Giorgi and Alex! Hope your day is good!
Great episode.
Quick queastion: what does geetsly's mean and is it based off something?
Couldn’t think of a name when I was young and one of my friends’ nicknames was ‘Geet’. Geetsly’s was the byproduct of that🤣
@@geetslys thanks so much I've been wondering about the name and pronunciation for a while. Thanks again!
Great job with the video. 👍🤟 My favorite Sith has to be Darth Sidious; he embody everything the Sith should be.
Glory to the empire Glory to the sith
Coruscant has fallen, billions must worship the dark side
(After Scourge's vision)
Scourge: Oh crap. Revan isn't the chosen one. What do I do? Oh I know.
(proceeds to kill Meetra Surik)
Revan: Dude what the f- !? (Revan gets imprisoned)
Can't wait to get to Darth Krayt
I thought Revan chose the dark side because remember he wanted to transform the Republic into a sith empire to combat the true sith
He was brainwashed at first, but Revan managed to break free from the Emperor's mind control over time, however he still rationalised that the dark side was the best path to victory, so he remained in it
@@xeronix9774 i really hate that retcon though...
@@KingofDiamonds117 why's that? remember the emperor's power is something we've never seen before, its nothing against revan that he failed to resist the influence. the emperor did the same thing to 8000 sith on his home planet at the same time, so the fact that revan managed to break free at all is a testament to his fortitude imo.
@@xeronix9774 didn't come here to argue, just stating my opinion.
@@KingofDiamonds117 i wanna know ur opinion. why do u hate it?
Darth Sidious: "With patience and calculated strategy, the Sith shall destroy the Jedi when the time is right."
Malgus: "Buenos dias, fuck boys."
Sidious: "whitch one had actual Control of the entire Galaxy and did not had Still to deel with a hole planet amont of Jedi hell i Lost because i was blinded by rage and Anakin was the actual chosen one. The hero of typhon spanked our ass"
This is Canon for me!
2:58 Wrong battle. It's Rakata Prime
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If there is an era in the Old Republic that deserved TV Series of its own, it's definitely the Great Galactic War and the Cold War. Just think about it. The series followed a group of young Sith apprentices freshed out of the academy as the protagonists who joined the war against the Republic, rising through the ranks and scoring some hot female Sith and Imperial waifu on the ways to the point of gaining the titles of Darth of their own. And during the Cold War, their children grown up to follow the footsteps of their parents to become Sith Lords in their own rights.
And if Palpatine and Maul are born in the Sith Empire under Darth Vitiate, what can they do and how will they do it in order to gain the titles of Darth of their own and in Palpatine's case, earning a seat on the Dark Council? I doubted he can become the Emperor or one of his Voices, though.
By the way, is the alliance between the Sith Empire and the Mandalorians during this time can be a factor why the Republic and the Jedi committed ethnocide that is the Mandalorian Excision many centuries later on?
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05:04 3954 BBY was 2 years after Kotor so youre off by around 5 years there, afaik revan returned around 3959 BBY
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I know it's not exactly the topic of the video, I feel it's worth mentioning that Scourge literally stabbed Surik in the back, killing her instantly. And T3-M4 was destroyed by Vitiate. Two major characters from the KOTOR games, including the subject of the last video, dead within moments. It really sucked.
I choose to disregard that they made raven a putz
Hmm, am just gonna sideline this Infinities saga to my C-team Multiversal operatives. Thank heavens our tiresome services there will finally start to end, although that means coming to more Dragon Age Multiverse kriffery.
By the way, losing Coruscant is a merciful godsend in hindsight, trust me. Just don't bullkark me with "weh, but what about the symbolism of the Galactic Center and the destruction of economic advantages?" rhetoric... it's those self same reasons that horrendously corrupted the galaxy ever since the Daragons were rescued by those two overheroic Jedi.
Revan and malak had nothing to do with the main jedi temple being raided
My biggest problem with SWTOR lore was that the Chiss Ascendancy, as detailed in the EU (which SWTOR was supposedly based in) had only been founded 1,000 years earlier, was set in a completely different area of space the the Sith and Republic couldn't access at the time (beyond the hyperspace disturbance that cut the entire western disk off from the rest of the galaxy), and while the Chiss were vaguely known about during the Dark Wars, which is when the first Chiss explorers came to the main galaxy and their technology could be sold (such as the charric rifle), the Chiss Ascendancy was not known about by the Republic or really anyone in the wider galaxy until they were discovered in an encounter with Outbound Flight, and their existence was kept secret by Palpatine so well that they weren't discovered again until a few years after the Thrawn campaign, when Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade stumbled across the Empire of the Hand, Thrawn's personal offshoot mini-Empire/Ascendancy.
Chiss Space is in the true Unknown Regions, while the True Sith Empire of SWTOR is based from Dromund Kass, a planet in the Stygian Caldera, which would have been found by the Republic in their counterinvasion during the Great Hyperspace War. The possibility of them existing there in the first place completely defies the established geography of the galaxy, as well as established lore. Therefore, by EU standards, it isn't canon to the main EU. SWTOR can only possibly exist in an alternate version of the Star Wars galaxy.
None of this would've been a problem if Obsidian's pitch for KotOR III would have gone through, as it is expressly mentioned in interviews that the main character, the Exile, would have gone with only T3-M4 and HK-47 across the great hyperspace disturbance and into the western disk, with something about crossing the border causing the character progress to revert back to lvl 1 again at the start of the game. Hell, it would've been great to go into that, with the way it was described and the way hints were dropped about the Chiss in KotOR II, and be the first people to meet the Chiss, the only group strong enough to oppose the True Sith. It would've been an excellent explanation for why the Chiss are so militaristic, tactically minded, and even ethical (with Thrawn being a notable exception to that last one). They were literally the ones to stand up against and help defeat the True Sith alongside the Exile, Revan, and likely HK-47's droid army and the reformed Mandalorians under Canderous, with back-up from the Exile's Jedi who would've served as a proto-version or blueprint for what thousands of years later would've been Luke's New Jedi Order.
Why not just move Dromund Kaas into UR proper? Do any other sources depend on it being in Stygian Caldera?
@Алексей Момот Yeah, Dromund Kass originally appeared in Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion to Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight. Kyle Katarn goes there, finds a cult and some old Sith ghosts and goes crazy, and Mara Jade (who was his first Jedi trainee) had to go rescue him and bring him back to the Light. Planet was around before the Old Republic comics, and I'm pretty sure the only mention of the Dromund system after is briefly in one of the comics where Marka Ragnos was still ruling the old Sith Empire. At least, until SWTOR.
And then there's the official galactic map, which was released in 2009 as part of Star Wars: The Essential Atlas. 2+ years before SWTOR came out. The graphic in the video is literally a map of the events and locations in the Great Hyperspace War, taken straight from pg.127 of the atlas, which shows the path of the True Sith as they evacuated the Stygian Caldera and traveled beyond the great hyperspace disturbance and into the western disk. None of the surviving Sith hid within the Caldera, nor did any return. The survivors went elsewhere.
So yeah, massive lore-breaking plothole. Earlier versions of the galactic map in SWTOR even put Chiss space near the Stygian Caldera and directly in Sith Space, including mention of their homeworld Csilla being there. Major violation. Only explination is that SWTOR exists in it's own non-canon version of the EU. It literally cannot exist in the main EU timeline.
The Sith invaded the Jedi temple is probably coolest and saddest darkness thing in star wars history
I agree
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I agree Darth Malgus made order 66 look like a school yard brawl. In comparison
The fact that the Sith managed to sack the capital of the Republic and raze most of the Jedi temple, killing many knights and masters of the order, and did it with minimal losses on their side, just shows how powerful the Sith were at this time. I'd say this is the most powerful the Sith have ever been until Palpy cheated the system with coming back from the dead after singlehandedly bringing down both the Republic and the Jedi in one fell swoop.
And Malgus is a badass, dude got drip and power! 10/10 would follow him into battle no matter what!
Funny thing is, they all were actually weak as hell. None, absolutely none of the Sith you see bar Vitiate himself were *that* powerful. Clones are far, FAR superior to republic troopers, and republic troopers could go toe to toe with even Malgus and hold him off a bit. The dark side is like venom.
@@XXMatt0040XX republic troopers mauled clones, the feats and showings aren’t even close so I don’t know where you’ve gotten that from. The squad in the trailers was specifically designed to take down Soth on top of that so they’re not even normal republic troopers. many of the higher end sith of the era showed feats superior to that of most of the movie era, even though most of them were kind of fodder. People wank the movie era a lot sheerly off the fact that they’re popular, the fact that these guys were constantly fighting and had prepared for conflict whereas the cinematic era were unaccustomed to combat shows that power difference.
You are right. This is indeed the strongest the sith had ever been. If the Sith Emperor didn’t have his own agenda, he could have easily conquered the galaxy after the sacking of Coruscant
The Galactic Republic in the Old Republic era had to fight against Large quantities of Sith, hence the reason of the harsh Military training that its Military had to undertake. Republic troopers, especially Special Forces had to train to resist force Lightning and all that.
The Only people you would see Punching Jedi or sith in the face would be Mandalorians. But the republic troopers of this Era had alot of training against this enemy too.
The fact that Jace Malcom, a Special Forces commander could resist and endure Force lightning like that and go face-to-face against a Sith Like Darth Malgus in one of the Cinematic Trailers speaks alot about the training they had to endure.
Clone Troopers as seen in their simulations in the Clone Wars are purely meant to fight Droids. Against a Sith lord like Dooku, they are cannon Fodder
The Normal, Standard old republic military ofcourse weren't as highly trained to fight sith as their Special Forces, but they still had the tools to deal with one.
Clone Troopers only won in order 66, because the deadliest weapon to any jedi or sith is 'Betrayal', it is the Bane of even the most powerfull force users throughout Star WarsHistory.
If you'd put the CLone Army in the Old Republic era and the Old Republic Military of SWTOR in the CLone Wars.
The Clone Army would so easily be wiped out by the Armies of Sith. compared to the Old Republic Military beating up Dooku and Ventress in a Fist fight by manner of speaking.
@@antimatterstudios8395The Bannite Sith were more powerful than those of the Old Republic minus a few outliers. Only Ragnos, Vitiate, Kun, and probably Sadow.
Honestly, the fact that the original Sith Race disappeared, apparently because of too much inbreeding with others species, means they were by definition not xenophobic but xenophile. If they were xenophobic they'd still be around
Maybe not the original pureblood sith species, but for whatever reason alot of humans in positions of power within the reconstituted sith empire at least flirted with humanocentric xenophobia despite the fact that their entire cultural identity and religion was originally derived from an alien cult. It was apparently such a widespread thing that when he went rogue, Malgus felt the need to proclaim himself a non-racist sith lord advocating tolerance of non-humans as if that was something radically new and different among the sith at the time.
There's a small side quest in SWTOR given by a pureblood sith that deals with that, he asks you to scan some sith lords around for traces of pureblood sith and as expected it's dwindling
Except it wasn't really something they chose as a race, more like something the Dark Jedi who conquered them started.
@@levongevorgyan6789 its not that it was a choice, its just that human DNA was more dominant than Sith pureblood DNA. Just like brown eyes is dominant over blue eyes.
@@shaydowsith348 No, I mean the Dark Jedi conquered them and more or less married into their priest class using the Dark Side. The Sith species didn't choose to interbreed willingly, the Dark Jedi caused it as conquerors.
It's over.....the republic has fallen
Billions must be disintegrated
Were the sith ever physically or mentally hurt by the light side of the force or was that an exclusive light side users when encountering dark side?
I mean there are some bits about "struggling with the call of the light" when some sith hadn't completely snuffed out their empathy or connections. Mostly it's crisis of faith and "have I gone too far" moments that either resolve into redemption or doubling down.
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Okay when you say remember some of these names do you mean the characters or the planets?
So how did the sith get to Coruscant?
By travelling in space.
Not really hard to find since its the centre of the galaxy. First of all, a lot of important people in the republic were on Alderaan in peace negotiations with the sith (their distraction), at the same time the empire crashed a shuttle loaded with sith into the jedi temple and took its fleet to bombard Coruscant, they killed all the jedi in the temple and killed the supreme chancellor. When the republic learned of this, they were forced to surrender to the Empire's demands and give them half of the galaxy.
Indeed, They held the entirety of Coruscant Hostage. Just so brilliant... brilliant, Brilliant... The Sith Emperor was a Genius.
@@xeronix9774 my question is how did they get to Coruscant. Everyone knows where the capital is of course but how did the sith get to the core of republic space? Did the republic navy just lay down all it's arms while it was going through the peace negotiations?
@@NauticalCoffin2404 According to the wiki, Shae Vizla deactivated the planet's defense grid from the ground before the Sith even arrived, this left the planet open to orbital bombardment. As it was an ambush, we can assume the Republic Fleet was not in a position to defend Coruscant. The last thing they would have expected is a Sith invasion. All Republic forces were expected to cease hostilities just as the Empire had appeared to do. The Republic trusted the Empire because they withdrew all their forces from the Minos Cluster, which they were just fighting for. The Republic Fleet may have been dispersed across the galaxy, and any ships that remained in Coruscant's airspace would have been confronted and destroyed by the fleet led by Darth Angral. Even the shuttle the Sith crashed into the Jedi temple was a hijacked Republic vehicle. After conquering Coruscant, the Empire set up a blockade, established martial law, looted the planet, razed the cities, and cut all communication from the planet's surface.
The Sith, due to surviving in the shadows of the unknown regions for several centuries and creating a proper and well governed empire without the usual pitfalls of most sith regimes. Are able to properly organise, grow their forces to a tremendous strength in both military and sith and scout of the lie of the land. Allowing them to inflict the republic's worst ever defeat in history over the course of a decades long war. With Vitiate's empire coming the closest that any sith empire ever did to conquering the known galaxy, before Sidious machinations and then took their foot off the republic's throat, when they had them at their mercy. In the most unlikely show of Sith mercy without explanation.
And Malgus is the one who knocks
Personally I think Deceived is a pretty good book, but I feel with some of the swipe content, it could always have a bit more depth if you know what I mean.
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all this god damn content george provided for disney and we got rey skywalker
Rey and ashoka
Somehow the sith returned
I hope the new old republic lore is mostly this, a fun Jedi vs sith sandbox
You can't always win but that doesn't mean you give up.
Count Dooku took too many Benadryls @14:00
i wish i was there when the sith destroyed coruscant, a truly glorious day for the empire🔥
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So basically this is where the game Old Republic starts? (end of the video)
yes.
We still arent quite there yet, not sure what the sith were up to after this & before the new sith wars, when this is over can we get jedi history next?
Now that Lucas might be retaking SW from Disney maybe we can get this legit lore from Legends.
Stop believing a guy in a mask 😢
Wait what?
Started from the bottom, now we here: the Sith Empire, probably.
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