How DuckDuckGo Was Caught Spying On You...
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- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! DuckDuckGo is known to be a privacy-focused brand centered around hiding your footprint from Big Tech, while they did keep your privacy from most companies they did backchannel to Microsoft. Let's find out what happened! Thanks for watching!
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So basically the same website that swore to protect your privacy actually ended up doing the opposite? They’ve become the very thing they swore to destroy
They got bought out by Google so...
Edit: this is false, I got it wrong.
What actually happened is that DDG is a glorified Bing without the ads, DDG signed a deal with Microsoft to use tracking on the website.
@SAVETION (BEST VIDEOS) ew
@UCCHdqtQY3vZ7K32iolNuQlQ Hopefully this is a joke if not please unalive yourself
@UCCHdqtQY3vZ7K32iolNuQlQ I will call predator poachers on you
Oh, _we're_ not tracking you, but we're letting other companies track you, so therefore we're protecting your privacy :^)
Never ever trust a company that apologises after they get caught. I’m sick of hearing corporate statements about how “regretful and sorry” they are.
I've been watching SomeOrdinaryGamers videos every now & then for like a couple of years now, but I wasn't subscribed.
This is the video that got me to subscribe to him.
Only bc they got caught, business as usual otherwise.
I understand that corporate apologies risk looking insincere, but honestly what else could they do? If they don't acknowledge it, silence can be taken as admittance of fault by the public. An unapologetic admittance of fault, no less.
never trust a company in general. i mean if they dont apologize youd be mad so it doesnt rlly matter whether they apologize or not
What they said: "Im sorry"
What they meant: "REESE'S PUFFS REESE'S PUFFS! EAT EM UP! EAT EM UP! EAT EM UP! EAT EM UP!"
for those who havent figured it out yet, whenever a company says "your privacy matters" they care the least about your privacy
Your privacy does matter.. it's profitable
I think that’s a bit much, they’re still clearly better than google and Facebook and Microsoft lol
Apple is still pretty secure.
No no no quite the opposite they care about your privacy thats why they try to have the least of it as possible
I dunno what you dudes are on about. Facebook takes privacy very seriously and has some of the best privacy settings on the net.
When it comes to "Why does privacy matter" I try to make this analogy: Imagine you leave your house and go to get into your car. Next to your car, there is a guy there writing when you left your house. As you get in, he takes a photo of your license plate. He doesn't interact with you in anyway, but stares at you intently. You start to drive down the street and he follows you. You come to a red light and stop, he makes a note of it. You drive around in circles for a while, trying to figure out what he's up to, this is noted as "suspicious behavior" on _your_ part, not his. You give up and drive to your job. He parks next to you and follows you inside to your desk.
Now just imagine that instead of that being a physical guy, it's the phone in your pocket.
You don't need to be a "wack job" to understand why that scenario is not cool. You don't need to be some "conspiracy theorist" or "anti-government person" to get why this is bad. You don't need to be some drug dealer to have a desire for people to stop tracking your movements.
Tracking bad because *it is,* not because you need any specific circumstance to define why the tracking is something to worry about - the tracking *is* the issue. The act of tracking a persons every movement is something that should be of extreme concern and *anger* by every single person being tracked. The only reason why there is no great outcry about this is because the tracking that is done on you is not a physical presence, but a digital one.
The solution is simple. DONT USE PHONE.
But tracking your location is mandatory for your cell phone to works (your operator know where you are, where you were 🙃🤫😸)
Sorry, but there are no person behind that, it's only machines to machines at the exception if you have rised interest from the lawful forces of your country and they start using your country lawful interception framework.
"Now just imagine that instead of that being a physical guy, it's the phone in your pocket." Then it's suddently not umconfortable anymore and I dont feel like it's a problem
I’ve heard people say things like “why worry if you have nothing to hide” like as if never having privacy isn’t degrading to your mental health and ability to grow as a human being… we need privacy. we need the ability to be alone and we need the ability to answer the questions about ourselves without anyone judging.
@@Grimexx955 You are correct, being alone in private is essential to a good mental healh. However, you're totally alone with your phone. Despite them collecting data, there is noone watching you, you're alone in private. There is absolutely no human beings looking into the data they collect. This is all done by algorithms. It's not personal, these companies dont give a shit about your life, they dont take your infomation for gossip. Having them take your data is not damaging to your mental health unless you've paranoidly convinced yourself that someone is behind your phone camera watching you 24/7
Duck Duck Go: “Cmon guys use duck duck go we don’t steal your info like google”
Also Duck Duck Go:
@YeaMan my guy liked his own comment
@YeaMan The music is complete ass I did not even watch it.
@@unlockboi Lol lets dislike his comment, see how many of us can dislike his spam of shite music.
@YeaMan try again when you're older than 20.
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ive honestly given up on privacy, it's too hard to escape and situations like this demoralize me heavily
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@@youdonegoofed you're watching this on youtube and youtube is tracking you. Heck, even the government tracks you. Its almost impossible to have privacy these days.
while privacy is nigh impossible, anonymity is still fairly simple by just following what Muta said here and look like any other npc on the network, they'll have your data but there's little chance they can use it in any non-aggregate way
you want to escape privacy? that's easy!
I don't think you have to become fully private. I think if you try to avoid 80% of tracking thats enough already. I am not a criminal i just try to piss these big corps of a little and cut into their profits.
I called it. When they first appeared I said "either they are lying, or they are starting with good intentions and will be corrupted.".
I always had a suspicion this project was just to fingerprint and identify people who were security conscious as a test data set for other advertising development.
Again, you didnt even watch the whole video. DuckDuckGo is not as bad as it is made out to me. The data is sent to microsoft, but only from the mobile browser. All this outrage about them being "corrupted" is ridiculous.
@@falcononpc9845 did *you* watch it? Just because they say "no tracksies, pinky promise" and gather data anyway doesn't mean that data won't be stolen or subpoenaed. they heavily implied they weren't going to allow trackers, period, in their marketing and they changed their minds on the down low because they need ad revenue to stay afloat. That's fair to call corruption far as I'm concerned. and wym "again?" you're first reply?
@@tatherva7387 what are you talking about? They don't gather data. You are only further proving you know nothing about the situation. The spying muta is referring to is a minimal amount of telemetry that is sent in the mobile browser to Microsoft. The CEO has responded to this on hackernews and reddit already. They are trying to minimize the amount of telemetry that microsoft forces them to take. None of this changes the fact that DDG, the search engine, not the browser, is the best search engine for privacy. The video is heavily misleading and clickbaity, and muta is peddling week-old news.
ok
@@tatherva7387 They didn't change it "on the down low." They literally announced it themselves. This video did a great job in twisting the truth of what actually happened.
i used to be one of those “i have nothing to hide people” but considering i’m a 21 year old woman, i really should get more serious about my privacy online..
please consider the wisdom of mentioning that you are are a 21 year old woman in random places where infosec people (i.e. hackers) are hanging out.
@@BrennanYounglol
I was always suspicious about how Duck Duck Go made money without tracking us. It turns out they completely lied, and it’s a big shame.
It's certainly possible, but it's hard
You're aware this whole video is mostly fearmongering as clickbait, are you not?
DDG makes money off investments and keyword advertising.
Both can work without having to track you.
Keyword advertisements show ads based off the search you've made. For example, say you search for a toaster oven. Chances are, you'll find a shopping tab on practically any mainstream browser. Google makes most of its money off this, so it's profitable enough for a smaller company like DDG.
Also, they didn't completely lie. If you actually read their blog (or at the very least, their response), it should be clear that they don't intend on lying when all it does is harm their reputation.
@@jude_ity fuck why was this comment so hard to find. They’re forwarding the ip in request to Microsoft because they’ve worked specifically with them to make sure the contract they have in place is to protect the user.
I’ve lost respect for this channel.
They are making money by showing you ads relative to your current behaviour, not by profiling you for later. Once you terminate your session it gets reset (at least it should)
That makes way more sense. Thanks, but what do you mean by “mostly” clickbait? Is there anything valid about this video.
“Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”
― Edward Snowden
Except free speech doesn't exist, not in America, not in EU, not in Asia. Maybe only in Antarctica.
+1 you beat me to it
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Finally ! A comment worth reading. 👍
Yeah but leaving your doors unlocked is less a privacy issue and more of a "I don't want my physical belongings stolen, and I don't want to be sexualky assaulted or murdered by an intruder" issue, so his analogy was kind of silly
@@godqueensadie??? What are you talking about? What does any of this have to do with the analogy??
Could this be enough for a false advertising case? Because they went in big on the privacy narrative.
im not sure if you can make law action and win.
I think the creators of ddg could sue Google for going against what they original idea but I doubt it would go very far
Probably not, Google has them they’re gonna win
Read the terms of service you agreed to by using the product and then you'll likely see that there's nothing you can do about the past. Every TOS pretty much makes you agree to be inept to do anything about anything.
@@onradioactivewaves "agreeing" to the ToS doesnt necessarily make everything they do perfectly legal. Facebo- Meta always has a shaky hold in the EU because of Laws revolving around Privacy. The only reason these techcompanies get away with everything these days is that pretty much every country on this globe is ruled by tech-illiterates
It's funny, because on paper, it really seems like something most people would be ok with if they just asked. "oh, so you will see what I like and am interested in, and will refer me to those things? Sounds good to me" but no, they decided to be super unethical about this all
Two years later and no people are not okay with that. Cuz first off you have to take my data and sell it to personalize ads. Not to mention every little bit of space is taken up by ads anymore. And have you seen an actually decent ad in the last 5 years? Because I sure haven't.
if they were ethical about it, they would pay you for your data. But they choose to steal it by TOS agreements instead.
I think at this point no matter what you use, they will always moniter/track/sell your information, I just wish they weren't so secretive about it. Instead of promising "privacy" they should just be clear about what they'll do with our information, and at that point it's up to us if we want to use their service.
Funny enough i think google is the one who is more clear about this
They are also the one who take the most data from their users but still they rarely try to hide it
They all claim they care about privacy and then they all say "We never sell your data except under the following conditions." That's like saying "No, your Honor, I did not shoot anyone, except the following list of people" and STILL getting away with it.
thats actually why I picked the VPN I did. Instead of just screaming *_NO FUCKING LOGS DICKBRAIN_* at me, they actually showed exactly what they DID log. I saw the information they logged, (and it was even formatted how I would assume the logs are actually stored. This is hard to put into words but it was just how the text looked in the boxes. It's one of those small things I don't think most people would think to fake if they were going to) read through it all, then decided that I trusted them. They are located somewhere where they aren't obligated to store or expose any information, and they even went into detail explaining the nature of what they DO log. (for instance a device limit, they explained that while they CAN tell you how many devices are currently on the account, they cannot see any information about those devices or even tell you how many devices were on the account 5 minutes ago) I will personally never trust a company that just screams " *_NO FUCKING LOGS YOU COCKBITE_* " in my face thinking that makes them trustworthy. On the contrary, a service which goes into it's own technical specifications or concepts, or one that explains in detail the exact nature of what it DOES log, will always have my trust. The thing about telling people what you DON'T do is that, out of a set of infinity, the finite set of disallowed actions might as well not matter. (i.e. : "nooooo, we dont 'sell' your data, we trade it! ") To counter this, in the infinite set of possible actions, the finite set of allowed actions mean there is very little wiggle room and you have to be very fucking clear about what your doing. (technically a whitelist privacy policy like this COULD be written vaguely as well, but it would be much harder to conceal. "we will never sell your data to 3rd parties" vs "we will collect and share some personal information" both are vague, but one is much more clearly vague, whereas the other is feigning clarity.
If they was honest, you wouldn't buy into it, its the same with VPN's, they lie to you so you buy the product... Welcome to capitalism lol.
Sure, but what's the alternative? Everything uses something else as a backend and it's either google or bing. Of course, you could always trust a search engine based in a hostile nation, but then how would it be any different. You quite literally have no choice when it comes to privacy. You either go with none or a tiny sliver.
Literally just a few days ago, I was wondering to myself "Can I really trust this browser?" I guess that aged well
mood
I don't think your 'aged well' statement holds if it was a few days. Jeez
I mean tbh they're forced to send data to Microsoft, it's better for you to just use Firefox with the DDG search engine. Firefox has its own API and is entirely cut off from Google and other big tech
@@matthewb8994 It was a fucking cynical statement. Jeez
If you haven't figured it out by now, you probably won't ever get it.
I knew I had a reason to not use their service. lesson of the day: never trust big corporations that advertise "privacy"
duck duck go is not a big corporation but never trust anyone who models their product around privacy
Idk apple kinda seems solid.
@@youngjacuzzi3676 NOPE! APPLE DOES THE EXACT OPPOSITE
@@youngjacuzzi3676 are they seem solid, or they just seem better at hiding it them self?
ibly trust open source forks
I love how advertisers invest billions and trillions of dollars into investing in machine learning to gather my information, calculate what ads would be best for me in real time, run thousands of ads per day through servers checking and guessing what'll get me to click whilst simultaneously reading what I'm doing at all times, just for like 9/10ths of the population to use ad blockers
I still remember companies like Apple saying they won't add a physical off button for the phone, microphone, or camera because the hardware for the switch would take up too much retail space in the phone. In other words, no physical way to cut power from the components that is tracking you and listening in.
Do people really believe that a slider to cover the camera takes up physical space _inside_ the device? Same goes for a rubber block over the microphone. That would be good enough.
@@flameshana9 Not sure if I didn't make it clear or not. The PHONE DEVELOPERS are saying they can't put a physical off switch in the phones. They are also saying that they are making it difficult to access the battery for "Safety Reasons." Nothing to do with them wanting to make sure your phone can't go unpowered and prevent further monitoring.
It's part of the Patriot Act. They'd get raped by the Feds if they did.
just stick pins into the microphone hole to destroy it and remove all the cameras
And yet the level 27 nimrods eat up that shit sandwich because apparently stupidity trumps wisdom when it comes to 'mah status symbol that's about as durable/useful as a soaked tissue'
I think a better analogy than leaving the door open is more so a house of glass. You maintain certain critical securities but everyone can see what you are doing if they wanted to turn in your direction.
Hope you don't have any stones in there 😉
The irony, because most modern houses have big ass windows size of the wall.
oh you mean like a house full of "windows"?
@@mrii114 yes
@@teemumiettinen7250 The difference is you can just close your curtains. Curtains wouldn't help enough if your house were literally made of glass.
Something about their service felt off to me from the jump, so seeing this is more validating than anything. Companies will always put greed over need.
and need over weed
@@phillpowered9757 Jesus that joke was shit.
I remember a friend telling me about this web browser and I thought it was too good to be true and it turns out I was right
you should have said "humans" instead of "companies". its not like we are the sane and pure people that do not do the same. not so different after all
@@AMP_PLUS - Companies is more of an umbrella term to lump businesses (and those who run them) to show a broader image. If I'd used people, most would have been upset that I was "blaming the Average Joe". It's taken more personally when using "people" rather than companies. I get what you're saying, but I think using too general of a term would cause a petty uproar among those who take things too literally.
It's almost like the only way to get actual privacy is to make this an actual crime with legislation.
Finally, someone who gets it
even that won't be too effective
The problem is enforcing the legislation…
@@andrewbrown6786 ban something and the companies are gonna find a loophole in like 3 seconds
Company: Your privacy matters
*1 month and a huge privacy scandal later*
Company: You thought that was a sales pitch? It was meant as a disclaimer
If you all could only bother to research a little about freemasonry, then even you dont no longer want nor are you agreeing to still wear these SLAVE MASKS. Why don`t you all research?
haha
@@koolaidmansam8yearsago273
I can agree with that statement 100% - can you?
When you read the Bible, it reads you. When you pick your Bible up, it picks you up. When you Dust of your Bible, it dusts you off.
@@theharshtruthoutthere what does saying “haha” have to do with that?
@Lamda2 • 15 years ago oh
This is exhausting. Most people just give up trying to prevent it because you need so much knowledge just to even try
It's useless. You never had privacy on the internet, because it's the internet
Exactly. Why bother trying to make the world a better place when some jackwad with eleventy bajillion dollars and every single politician ever in their back pocket can just stifle your efforts at every turn, as easily as you or I blink our eyes?
The way I see it, there are two kinds of people in the world: Franks and Homers (longtime Simpsons fans will get the reference). You can either be a Frank, wasting your entire life raging against the broken system that rules us all and collapsing under the unbearable stress such a path rains down upon you, or you can be a Homer, kicking back and exploiting the broken system for your own gain. You can either be consumed by the machine, or you can make a good life for yourself _in spite of_ the machine. In this day and age, they're really the only two options 99% of us will ever have.
Literally the only way to not be tracked on the internet is to just not use the internet at all. It's genuinely inevitable.
Yea its not like they will do anything significant with that data anyway they will show you ads that you block anyway when my adblock fails they only show me car and makeup ads so it looks like their tracking is not good since i am a man without a drivers licence if you want to do something illegal just pretend like its 1970.
@@bogdweller27 Or just live in a third world country without any internet.
wait... so let me get this straight. My cookies are always tracking me, and some how my crackers are the ones setting this up? I'm never trusting food again.
this comment is so stupied
all foods are the same - juice wrld 20idk
sheeeet i just got the crackers part lmao
Good one. Also guy has the c-word pass lol
ALL FOOD MATTERS
i like how all of his videos are like 'you're fucked, everyone knows everything about you and they're selling that information' and his solution is always like 'just learn to code your own web browser and pay monthly for a vpn service and never make a google account and never go near any electronics and wear a tinfoil hat and..'
But what is there we can do?
@@joelrobinson5457 unless you're a criminal, it's ok I guess
What changes about my life if nobody tracks me?
@@sukanasiikanmasinjer6670
Corporations are the wolves and you are the sheep.
@@averyhaferman3474 It's about principles.
A free society functions because people have an inherent right to freedom, sovereignty and privacy, so neither a company nor the government could or should be able to invade these rights.
Mechanisms of power and control should always be designed so that no tyranny can use them effectively.
With megacorporations invading our privacy through their technology, it clearly destroys this aspect.
If we don't stop this, it will have horrific consequences in the future.
Would be cool if Muta made a video giving tips about how to stay safe on today’s Internet because tbh there’s a lot of advice that I want to follow but don’t know how to because I’m not tech savvy enough.
If only there was a way for tech nerds to create tools for us non tech nerds.
But that would be like asking a web browser to not track us or fish not to swim in water.
If you want to be tech savvy, go to the conspiracy theorist pages. That is usually the first place people visit when they start learning to become tech savvy.
@@adiarn Mental Outlaw is my go to guy for tech news, linux and online privacy for some time now. 1000% recommend.
If only Muta could do that instead of trying to content farm.
@@Master39222 I third mental outlaw. He even walks you through how to harden your privacy to make you as the very least indistinguishable from companies. A government agency is a whole nother topic
I live in the dystopian nightmare state of Indiana and the only 'detective work' that goes on in this state is contacting Facebook and Google to get all of a person's communications and location data. I have personally looked through discovery that consists of nothing but internet logs. This isn't done with subpoenas or warrants, it's done with a phone call or email and a simple request.
If you're not guilty, what do you have to hide? Right? 😇
@@DavidVassleofYeshua porn
@@DavidVassleofYeshua flawed
@@DavidVassleofYeshua Send me your credit cards logs if you're not guilty, oh and also the numbers you do not really have to hide them
And they don't even need to do that. They can just buy the data from companies if they really want to, no warrant or subpoena required.
I hope one day a browser comes out that's completely open source and entirely upfront about what goes on behind the scenes with all your data. Every option right now is a double-edged sword and you're ultimately giving something up in return for using the browser, usually at the cost of your data being sold to some degree.
I think Brave is a good secure alternative
@underground leaks 101 honestly not surprised since it has crypto
@sly dankass u got a browser recommendation for me :)?
There never will be. The very nature of the internet is a give-and-take relationship, and due to how our culture and economics have become totally hinged on the internet, the only way out is to be a literal hermit.
@sly dankass huh, always though brave was at the very least blocking trackers.
Privacy is insane, I have heard about vtubers who hide their identities with models and thought that's a good idea, sounds neat. But apparently some of crazier of their audiences stalked their info to find out who they are.
That's creepy.
So, I'm an artist on twitter and I don't use my face as a profile pic, no artist typically does. But some rando follows me and finds a old photo of me on some site I haven't used in 10+ years and posts it telling me to use my real face instead of a cartoon. WTF, what a freaking creep.
And I'm some schmuck, not someone with tens of thousands of followers.
I know we're talking corporations and much deeper levels of privacy breaching but it's, insane how people and companies can dig up all this crap on you, even to find your face.
It's hilarious because even, to this day, people say youtube doesn't make any money. Directly? Yeah, probably not, but with all the info they're harvesting and what not? Of course they're making bank, or they'd have ditched it years ago. It's not like google is a stranger to killing off a product or service. They just became an info harvesting behemoth.
youtube technically is not making money, google on the other hand...
You dont have to write essays for a youtube comment
@@pennerer5486You can literally read this in 10-20 seconds, it’s not that bad
☠️ that's actually fucked man breh what the
I'm sorry you had to deal with that 🫂
I was telling someone earlier that I fear companies spying far less than I fear individuals
I'd rather be stalked by a systematic corporation with a goal to filter advertisement and make more money for themselves
Than to be stalked by some creep that has some icky desires and stuff ☠️
I cannot believe a company lied to me again! This is getting out of hand.
Which one lied to you before?
@@firstryft gogle
@YeaMan 130 comments spouting the same thing shutup damn
The sarcasm 🤌🤣
@@dorkle9085 i hate goge too
People still think incognito makes their browsing “private” as well, I just always assumed that no matter how private we want to be someone or something has access to your digital footprint
it always says on screen that the places you have visited are going to your internet provider, so, even if you don´t want anyone to know what you are looking for, the provider will always know what you are up to, the only thing that works are for cookies, they don´t stay (or at least in your own personal computer/phone/tablet) and it inmediately erase your record from your browser, so, I don´t get why people are so surprise for it, literally when you enter your google account from anywhere it tracks you and tells you: "hey, is this really you?" even if you did it yourself, pretty incredible tbh.
The homunculus linux system in your wifi-capable CPU let's them secret squirrels know everything they want.
Fingerprinting is one of the few (if not only) disadvantages Linux has when it comes to being anonymous, just by using Linux you're already narrowed down to about %1 of internet users, and thats before even narrowing it down further to the specific distro and update version you are running. You already have a pretty unique fingerprint just from your operating system alone, once you factor in other things like the font, screen resolution, cpu, gpu and model of computer you will have a VERY unique (possibly truly unique) and easily tracked fingerprint.
On the flip side someone using stock windows 10 with a cheap HP laptop will have a pretty common fingerprint since there are probably thousands of other poeple with the same laptop and operating system and fingerprinting will be less effective.
You can just switch your user agend.
@@durschfalltv7505 Do not do this. They can always tell if you are lying about your user agent if they want to, so changing it will only serve to make your fingerprint even more unique.
But I’ve read that you should rather focus on tracking protections than trying to hysterically look as average as possible from privacytools itself!
Why is fingerprinting a problem? It's not like I'm a journalist uncovering and exposing the dirty secrets of rich companies like Samsung or something.........
@@superplaylists1616 if someone is looking for someone like you specifically, they will find you
The best way to beat being tracked is with false information. TH-cam thinks I'm 75, always getting prostate commercials, hearing aid commercials etc. My microsoft account is non sense and no two accounts for anything use the same alias. Trick is to offer up bad information to de-value their information schemes. Or make the cost of doing business too high with a lie.
Lmfao
Or just buy premium
Honestly, anyone that actually believes that companies are trustworthy when it comes to stuff like this is sort of a foolish person. Whilst I do believe that DDG had good intentions and it all sort of just backfired, it was just a question of time before the executives started moving around and things start changing for the larger paychecks and prettier annual reports, that happens to every company that's ever existed.
@John Doe careful, questioning even a little bit will bring out Randroids.
You can't trust no one these days, go to open source projects if you really want privacy. They can't track you there.
An open source will still be dangerous since if they know how the search system work they can make their website the number 1 on the search list and if they wanna go extreme they'll plant a malware in that first website.
Why would you believe DDG had good intentions?
Same goes for any large power, governments included
How ironic how the browser that advertises themselves as "the browser that doesn't track your moves on the internet" I always knew something was off with that browser 😂😂
they got bought out by google lol
@@cringe5393 no?
They unfortunately got bought out by Google awhile ago
@@ow_ Yes.
@@cringe5393 no they didn't, stop spreading misinformation
They bought a domain from Google, that's what happened. That is no way them being bought by Google
Thanks for this, as an avid user of DDG i feel betrayed 😤
lmao who actually used that?
Same here.
@@ScrubMyTub ME😭😭😭
same
@SAVETION (BEST VIDEOS) what a interesting thing for a bot to say
in 1 hour, I tested the amount of trackers using adblock. In 1 hour I received 940 trackers, this was on a looped music video. Disgusting.
So every video i watch has a tracker?
There's no such thing as privacy. It's just not profitable to companies to do anymore. We need a public utility web engine at this point.
The government isn’t going to respect your privacy either.
> There's no such thing as privacy
My Linux distro runs open source software only and makes absolutely zero shady network requests. Maybe the issue here is you just not looking for alternatives to the proprietary software you use?
@@ahsookee you are on TH-cam.
@@ahsookee yea but average person cant do that LOL
@@apollo4950 With an audited VPN running on diskless servers and ublock origin. Having a Google account does not mean compromising on privacy, just keep it contained to one browser on one device and do your regular browsing in a different one.
A good rule of thumb I heard a long time ago is "if an internet entity offers a service for free, the actual product they're selling is *you*"
Nobody could or would spend the millions of dollars it takes to run and maintain the infrastructure for a search engine or any other "free" website/service without making money off it, and selling off your data is the most profitable thing they can do.
Non targeted ad revenue is chump change in comparison.
Honestly the only thing you can trust on the internet that's free is FOSS, and even then it pays to be at least somewhat wary. It's less of a problem with FOSS since you can just look at the source code yourself though
It's crazy how like, this stuff is borderline spyware but it's by actual companies not hackers, and there is not a lot you can do about it. As well as some of it isn't even stuff being put on your computer, it's the trackers just knowing everywhere you go, and stuff on websites getting your fingerprint. It's actually terrifying once you think about it
Nah it's more common than not. Walmart uses facial recognition software to detect people that have been banned. To do so they scan everyone. Otherwise it wouldn't work. (It really doesn't work well regardless). It's still commonly implemented. I don't agree with it but to escape it you have to live outside a city and only trade goods with like minded folk.
As terrifying it is a company is less fearable than an individual
At least you know exactly what they want to do with your information and the alternative motives they have
And money and advertising is a lot less harming than say some weirdo hacking into your stuff directly
That and the companies being kinda binded to restrictions to stop em from doing something straight up aggressive
Data siphoning with a simple goal like that is far less fearable even if it's fucked
(I could be ignorant ofc but I'm alright with stuff (but at the same time I'm also the kinda dumbass that leaves his door unlocked lol)
@@GyreArtsunless the data gets used for misinformation so that democracies fall apart
It is spyware. What do you think spyware does? It watches what you do and sells that data. What do you think these companies do? Watch what you do and sell the data.
As far as I know, duckduckgo decided to brand itself as privacy-oriented because the owner wasn't smart enough to implement his own tracking
nobody would use it if it wasnt branded for privacy, its the whole point
I just found out Discord’s shady past doing the same thing. It’s a wonder how much of our lives is a false sense of security. I try not to take it too seriously, but you are pretty much one of the only info sources I trust in the grand scheme of perusing the shitternet.
@@birdchip585 r34
@@birdchip585 My guy, use the comma key.
What do you expect from a company that recently changed their TOS to not allow 'misinformation' when it comes to things, such as masks and vaccines? They're just another cog in the 'propaganda machine'. Like any other corporation out there, they do not care about you - only your money and free publicity.
the only reason i use discordapp is communicating with friends.otherwise i would delete it in the beat of a heart
If discord is spying on me and my calls and texts then they are probably considering quitting their job💀
The best weapon that I've found yet to protect my privacy is having the same name as a famous celebrity. It works even better if that celebrity is in the news a lot. Bonus points if they've recently been in the news for something really newsworthy. Those schlubs running around with the name Johnny Depp have absolutely nothing to worry about because nobody will ever find them!
My dad's got the same name as a super famous singer, and it's kinda funny. He bought into a timeshare once and ever since then, we keep getting phone calls and texts from people looking for the singer. We got the wall street journal once, one of the singer's.... acquaintances? who left an address in a voicemail and we were all like 😳 _uhhh..._
one time we got someone calling every single phone number in our household to ask 'the singer' to promote her child's medical fundraiser. we were just like??? _i'm sorry, this is the wrong number, we can't help you._ but she just kept calling. so all of us had to block her number.
Unfortunately I have a very rare name 🗿
Wow
That is not how it works, but I can understand your idea.
Heart dropped to my ass reading the title
The crazy shit I’ve searched up there would make me a person of interest from the FBI
@@NotFckingBen 😅😭😳
Which is greatly oversimplified.
They were forced to, and they sent as little as ad trafficking as possible. And no they didn't always do this, they started doing it a few months ago, and only on the browser. Founder clearly stated it and apologised.
Great, now alot of people are just going to read the title and assume: "Oh no! They've always been spying on me!!"
Some people are even spreading BS rumours like Google bought them, just because they bought a domain from them doesn't mean they're owned by them, if Google owned them, they would have shut down Duckduckgo the chance they got or make the search engine based on Google's which it isn't, it's based on bing.
@@NotFckingBen oh boy, so am i D:
@@fiercelypolygons3696 rule of thumb: there's no privacy online.
The solution is simple: If you look up enough porn, they won't want to touch your data.
Yessir
you mean me being a coomer goon saved me from being spied on and having my data taken and sold all along?
/s
Pfft, fair lol.
😂
It would be great if counter trackers were made. A tracker that tracks the trackers, traces it back to whoever made it, then display the personal information of whoever is trying to see your internet activity on their screen. If this happens to enough people at the tracking companies, the CEOs might just pull their trackers offline because of “security concerns.”
nice idea
not possible, thats not how it works, its just a single person that is tracking you, no one is sitting behind the screen and looking at what you specifically are doing, its mostly bots
@@lazar2949 he is talking about analysing the bots and their possible sources
May not be accurate, But looks like a uno reverse card
@@flyingdragon6275 well thats already possible, trackers are not 100% hidden, you can see them if you want
Like they would care. The data you pull is only useful for advertising. You gonna direct ads to them? Yeah right they're the ones who control advertising
Well, as the old saying goes: "You either die as AskJeeves, or live long enough to see yourself become Google."
He was so nice.
Note: Waterfox is literally owned by an advertising company.
Not sure why muta would recommend it, that or iridium, which is basically dead (use ungoogled chromium instead)
Hmm muta needs to see this
LibreWolf much much better.
And Waterfox is shit anyway. Pale Moon is better unless you're on Mac.
@@jatre5938u are the last person we would want to tell us about how educated he is, I'm pretty sure he can make mistakes you 12yo
I'd use Brave instead of Iridium in terms of security.
Ungoogled Chromium is horrible on Windows. (Yes, there are people who use such OS)
I literally knew it. I literally told myself that duckduckgo was suspiciously telling everyone about how private focused they were just so they would lure people and actually track them. It was obvious from the start.
Thank you for the update Muta. I am not in the spaces where stuff like this is talked about a lot but I value my online privacy and you are one of my main sources of information on this kind of stuff. Keep up the great work
Unfortunately, your best choice at this point is to stop caring about your privacy. It's harder and harder to keep your personal data private, leaving functionally no *legal* options for maintaining your privacy, and still very few options that aren't legal.
I suppose your best shot is running a VPN and a Virtual Machine which is a lot of work for the average joe; even then, as Muta said in the video it's a fighting battle.
EDIT: I worded it poorly, don't "stop caring" about your privacy. But it's not something you should be surprised about when you find out it's compromised.
Man it really sucks to see Muta clickbaiting valuable information, especially when so many people (like you) rely on it
@Hatred Do you guys do nothing while logged on to your Google accounts? Do you have a ghost email w/o any personal info, maybe another one for business/real life stuff? Cause I really don't know what you'd wanna/could be protecting if you're already this compromised
I sort of already didn't trust them from the start. The heavy amount of advertising made me slightly suspicious, but advertising doesn't inherently mean anything so I was fine with it but the one time I used it I realized it uses the basically same algorithm and search recommendations as Bing does. If I searched up the same phrase and looked through the videos on both Bing and Duck, they were the same so I just decided not to use it. Firefox is pretty much the go to for me.
What are the pros on Firefox? Sorry im about to change my search engine and im looking for the most trusting ones sjjdjsjd
How do I use a Firefox search engine??
@@fiona4449 it's basically the only mainstream browser that's not Chromium-based iirc. I dont have the tech knowledge to understand the difference between browsers, but I still remember when Chrome takes up all your RAM (reportedly it has gotten less severe ver the years) and I dont wanna deal with google unless I absolutely has to, so.... Firefox it is.
Honestly I'm running out of ideas on how to browse the web privately without impacting my 3rd world internet speed, so the lightweight performance angle is the biggest reason for me because I've pretty much given up on the privacy angle.
@@dratsumrat fire is also cool. So double cool
@@fiona4449 what'd the fox say?!
You were supposed to defeat the spyware not join them, You were my browser DuckDuckGo I loved you
DDG: "I hate you(r privacy)!!"
I'm in your walls
@@bingusbongus3109 Ok but my house is on fire from an internal pipe burst in the oven inside the supposed walls you live in
searx /stonks
@@lek8630 yeah booiii
The irony in a major company pretending to enforce privacy spying on its users is genuinely insane. However, sadly, I'm not surprised. If it wasn't for Snowden, we likely still wouldn't know the extent of how much a lot of our tech is watching us
Can’t wait to know that Tor is actually a honeypot in its entirety. Then, I’ll learn that my family are spies watching every single one of my moves since I was born lmao
You could easily use ddg as a honeypot for pedos; and track them down and kill em all!
The Truman show
Not everyone's lucky like Perry the platipus
Tor is indeed backdoored.
Surprise the CIA project is backdoored by the CIA. Who woulda thunk it???
Duckduckgo has been my go to for years now and over the past few months I've begun doubting whether or not they are who they say they are. This will probably be the final nail in the coffin for me.
It all started with that censorship from anything Russia.
@@LasagaMan they also filter results. For example, the blonde braids search on images.
What are you going to use?
ok
@@pritampaul2507 I don't know. Have you got any suggestions?
Can't wait to hear how express VPN automatically alerts and gives your information to every government and stalker.
Same
Duckduckgo has always been basically bing. Hilarious how people were convinced it was the way to stick it to big tech.
Just to clarify, there's some misinfo spreading and I wanted to clarify that this is the BROWSER APP that's leaking data, NOT the website
They're a Bing search partner for literally years, earning millions. The fact people dont know this absolutely blows my mind
Yeah because it's the next best thing, pretty much every other search engine is either based on yahoo, bing or Google.
I mean it isn’t hard when most people don’t know what to use, how to use it. Where to look, who to ask. Who to even watch to find out about this type of stuff
And half the time the people that know had a hard time finding out, so they gatekeep & act like everyone should just know how to be an internet ghost
Oh boy here come the clairvoyants with the old tried and true “I saw it from a mile away” “I always knew somthing was off” “I warned my friends about it”.
Literally lmao. More than half of the comment section is people swearing they had a "gut feeling" about DDG, but don't back up why/how so in any way.
Like I knew it wouldn't last forever, because Google buys everything out, but yeah I didn't think it had already happened.
I saw it from a mile away! I always knew somthing was off, I warned my friends about i!
I always knew it... I just tbought it was a little better. From the time I went on a feild trip in cub scouts into the local phone company switching building, it was blatantly obvious that communication technology for the masses would always be able to be spied on. If you don't think that's the case, then explain to me why, for example, it was illegal to use more than 256 bit encryption? Locks only keep honest people honest...
Oh boy, here comes the "danm we don't have privacy anymore".
Mate... You're on the internet... You never had privacy to begin with
Just to clarify, there's some misinfo spreading and I wanted to clarify that this is the BROWSER APP that's leaking data, NOT the website
Question, does the printing also take place on Tor
To clarify further, please read the CEO's technical report of this, it was essentially unavoidable leakage to even use the browser app.
F it anyways.
Our society continues to stumble towards dystopia in the name of a promised utopia. The cycle continues and entropy always wins...God be with us all. You are a good man Muta I can feel it in my heart. Keep up the good fight and stand for what you know in your heart to be true and right. All it takes for evil to grow is for good men to stand by and do nothing. GOD BLESS YOU ALL BROTHERS
At this point, I could suspect my dog to spy on me for a dog food company that there might be a chance to be true.
It's as ridiculous as it is terrifying.
right because being paranoid of ad targeting is fucking silly, like sure your choice to take measures but you still use the internet just accept it
@@kank1794 How can you be sure the dog is not an under cover agent ?
they are putting GPS in dog stuffs
@@kirshak7007 well when you put it into the realm of possibility then I guess I have no way to know
Im honestly continuously disappointed by how little these companies know me after spying on me for decades. Like..... Am I so complicated a person??
Lol I know what you mean. The ads I get are so frickin irrelevant it feels like they don't know a damn thing haha.
if you don't know what the fuck you're doing then neither will anyone else lmao
Niche interests are not profitable to advertise. Niche interests have too few producers and consumers to be economically viable for adverts. Tracking is instead used to find the lowest common denominator. Aka, more effective advertising towards normies
I actually started experimenting with enabling tracking on everything about a month ago.
It did nothing.
I am turning all tracking off again, soon, cuz the experiment is fun and all, but its fruitless so far LMAO
Lol they don't care. Gotta get that sweet money as it makes the world go round!
All I’m saying is, watch out for those class action lawsuits
Hopium. No one can sue a multi-trillion dollar corporation and win, even if they're right.
@@arontavares5248 it’s so normal wdym, Facebook just payed out how much again??? Got my check in the mail the other day…. Snapchat is currently being sued too…
@@arontavares5248 that's not how the law works. While i dislike some aspects of modern laws, the good thing about our society now days is to an extent, consistency. There's no law that says you can't be sued if your rich. So many companies get sued and lose.
The good thing about law is that no one is immune to it 99.9% of times. No company is immune, no person is.
@@blackbeast9268 Yeah, they just get sued and have to pay out a tiny fraction of what they earned by doing the thing they're being "punished" for.
They're effectively immune. It's just the appearance of a consequence to keep the plebs in line. The consequences are so meaningless they're just a cost of doing business that the companies ignore.
@@arontavares5248 You know they aren’t as big as companies like Google right. They’d definitely be easier to sue than most big tech companies.
This is the whole “a fear of being watched by a duck” meme explained
I am not surprised in the slightest. Never believe a company when they say they will not track you. Data is valuable and if lying to you will get you to give them data, they will do it.
@SAVETION (BEST VIDEOS) These bots are getting out of hand. Holy shit.
@@KarmicMatcha I shouldn't be surprised, but you'd think TH-cam would have a way to filter these bots out.
@@BackAlleyKnifeFighter lol no, too busy removing dislike button to realise that the bots are usually the ones leaving dislikes lmfao
The trick to dealing with trackers is simple, be random as fuck. Be super into mountain biking and then switch to being super into furries, then switch again and be super into the colour red, then switch and be super into the colour brown, keep them guessing, never let them know what is really you and your interests, fuck with their algorythm.
Google thinks I am a bloke in my mid-50s, childless, and unmarried.
Total opposite of who I am. Reckon I confused it enough lmao.
Google thinks I'm an overweight woman in my 40's-50's... so off, like so so off it's not even funny
this but I do it unintentionally. my interests are so wide that I'm pretty sure the algorithm just gives up.
THanj you man!!!
Help!
Thanks
Love this
Protip
If you want to protect your privacy, don't try to be anonymous, instead try to have multiple identities.
That's the way to do it.
One of them must have your real info, there's no way around it
pov you have 6 different goddamn emails
@@ARCHIVED9610 I have more than 12 emails actually. Get it right
I mean, tbf, if you follow my advice you only need 2, and you might abandon one whenever you want to startover.
Add 1 or 2 extras just cus spam. Having a clean email like mine is bliss. Just have an email dedicated to any website or business you don't trust and might send you spam
@@simonghoul3602 You say over 12 but you’re probably lying a lowball when it’s actually 73
@@GameboyFanatic I mean, I did say *more than*
"You fool! I have 70 ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS!"
Fun fact: anything that says "secure and clean from hackers" it's most likely the company doing that itself
as a web developer, I also hate putting trackers on websites, even some of them don’t want to add cookie consent
Exactly why I stayed away from duck duck go. Something felt a bit sus with how much they *really* wanted you to know they don't track you
The privacy aspect wasn't what was suspicious. Brave search engine is private for example and has been tested to be such. What was suspicious about DDG was that they never revealed how they actually make money and make users believe the entire operation is run on T shirt purchases. Brave in contrast makes it clear that their money is made via their BAT crypto and why they encourage you to turn on their ads, even though it is disabled by default.
Damn. I CAN'T TRUST ANY OF THESE COMPANIES ANYMORE! I'll continue to wait for Muda to create his own Browser
At this point? Yes.
MutaSearch
SearX
It's important to note that this only applies to duckduckgo's BROWSER, not the search engine.
They should have refused the Non Disclosure Agreement that Microsoft forced upon them.
So the tracking only exists in the app browser?
I don't get what all the fuss is about then. Just don't use their shitty browser, and switch your main browser's SE to DDG. Problem solved.
Yeah, as if the browser has nothing to do with the duckduckgo company lmao
i actually dont have anything to hide digitally, but i measure my view on freedom and privacy by what somebody who is wanted by the government would have to deal with
thats why im not in favor of removing physical money and also not in favor of proclaimed non-spy search engines spying on you
@@kidmosey that one with the rainbow flag was kinda funny
I knew this was coming, ever since the Google purchase rumours surfaced*. Marketing yourself on privacy is becoming more and more a liability nowadays lmao
*It appears I was operating on misinformation; my apologies
Wait, Google bought out DDG? SINCE FUCKING WHEN?
@@GoodlyPenguin this, when did that fucking happen lmao. I would've seen this a mile away if I knew that
I never heard they got bought out. I guess Brave is the best option now?
The fact that they were literally mentioning Google in their ads now feels like foreshadowing… Horrible, horrible foreshadowing.
@@HearMeLearn source: I made it up 😎
Duckduckgo is like the Apple of search engines right now. "Privacy"
So about a week ago, I found an hilarious ad by DDG on tv while watching something, and no joke, in the add, they legit compared themselves to Google and claimed that they've got better privacy than the latter, and that convinced me to return to this video. World's crazy
NOW who am i supposed to trust with wonderful searches such as “why is my poop red” and “painful pimple on my ear”
There was 2 reasons to use DDG over google. To avoid politically motivated searches but that ended after DDG said they were going to start censoring. The other reason was privacy. No more reasons.
Everyone : "they're stealing your internet history to sell you ads bro"
Me, whos been deliberately flooding my search history with degenerate porn for the past 20 years so companies have no idea what to actually sell me :
lol
Weird way to announce your porn kinks.
Also, now you just have future employers who think you're a sex degenerate.
One warning about VPNs: I don't recommend EVER accessing online banking on any device other than your primary computer, at home, without VPN. This way: while ISPs/government will still know which financial institutions you use (they already do), you will at least know that it's primarily them seeing that information (assuming you have good technological skills and no active malware). Because noone can really know (other than those who are part of those 'organizations/VPNs') where their servers and allegiances lay. Example: VPN server claims USA, but is really China or Russia.
This man has actually taught me so much about who to avoid and what kind of scammy and sketchy shit to avoid and look deeper into. Muta might as well be a online teacher that actually gives a shit about your safety.
From my experience: the services that advertise themselves as not stealing your data, are the ones that do it the most.
Foss so no
ok
In this case it's literally factually incorrect. Only Microsoft trackers on only the mobile browser are not "the most" tracking by any stretch of imagination
You people like to exaggerate too much
Which is kinda understandable because the title and first half of the video is just "dude, trust me" kind of talk and only later he actually talks about what really happened
And they pride themselves on doing exactly the opposite.
Their website search engine still doesn't track you. This is just for their browser which uses microsoft tech so just don't use that.
@@friendlyhobo6483 so the app is the only thing that tracks?
If people feel the need to spy on you we should just boycott the Internet all together and see how long they last without it.
If you aren't paying for something, YOU are the product. Servers, developers, etc all take money to run.. they gotta pay for them somehow, just wish they were more transparent about it.
But not linux🤧
they are legally required to put that they have 3rd party cookies in their privacy policy but nobody reads that so its easy cash for them
At this point I'd buy a browser if it was *legally* obligated to do its job without tracking. But of course nobody would sell a useful product for a one time fee. They'd charge a monthly subscription and _still_ get caught selling your data down the road.
I mean the privacy policy exists for a reason. Everyone agrees to this
You are the product regardless of whether you are paying or not.
It seems like everything specifically advertised as privacy/security-focused eventually comes out as having been a honeypot the whole time lol...
I never used DDG for privacy. I just used it because the results were a bit more relevant than Google is. That and using it to fetch wallpapers works better. I've drawn the conclusion some time ago DDG wasn't Privacy-friendly and just used it as if I were still using Google before all of the changes that made it IMO unusable.
I had the opposite experience. I felt like duckduckgo was giving me worse results than google, and sometimes NSFW results for searches that weren't even remotely NSFW.
Now the results suck sadly
DDG is useful for seeing what privated TH-cam videos once were, but its NFSW search results suck. Also I believe they rent search research from bing, so it can be unaccurate compared to google.
Google can’t be beat for search results and DDG doesn’t use them. So that’s a fat no.
@@freeseti1831 how?
I've watched about 100+ hours of porn over this browser and you're telling me this now?
Same here, I think I might have like 73 tabs of porn open right now
No company will ever have the incentive to not track you. I feel like at this point, trust no company. What will really save the internet is making these trackers illegal.
@@cainstero yeah data brokers are a powerful lobby, but we have to do something.
You'd need an entirely new political system to make that happen.
@@RedemptionDenied666 ☭
It wont become illegal. Why? Because theyre selling the data to the government.
Brave browser. They don't track you because they know not doing so makes them desirable. They instead make their money through crypto.
I was honestly a little impressed when youtube managed to recommend some pokemon challenge run video that some guy on discord was screensharing to me. The video popped up literally 5 minutes after I hopped off discord. I hadn't even heard of the youtuber who made the video, nor do I have much of a footprint related to pokemon content outside of a few item location guides and that was quite a while ago. The guy I was talking to on discord isn't even on my friendslist, not that that would matter too much at this point.
I might like to watch some pokemon. TH-cam never recommends it for me tho. :'(
Bro the Internet tracks everyone, no matter what you do, what websites you go, you'll always end up having your infos stored somewhere in the data base
"Because many companies are stealing your data that means you should accept it and do nothing about it"
I have always had huge suspicions about duckduckgo. It just seems too good to be true.
Hey Muta I’m a network engineering student who is a year into self learning and I’m about to pass my CCNA. You inspired me to go into this field ❤️
that's so cool! wish you well
Companies: *Spending millions in technology to target ads to you*
Me: *Haven't seen a single ad in years due to adblock*
That sounds like heaven I hate all the scam ads I see on youtube
exactly what ads oh wait i get 2 of them that are personalized on my phone... whoopee... at least im not geting them for tampons or Fortnight...
@J O Your adblockers still work? Mine stopped months ago, TH-cam just started showing me minute ads that I couldn't skip out of spite.
I’m sick of the fake punishment for these giant companies, it makes it blatantly obvious that even the justice system is in cahoots with all these big companies, and at that point I think the safest thing to do would be reform the entire system, the people should be kept entirely anonymous and hidden from all of these billionaires with their heavy threats.
I'm not surprised to hear this... I always thought it was pretty freaking weird that they hammered in how ads on google were tracking you and stuff like that-- While their ads were being promoted to me EVERYWHERE on google
any time a search engine is shilled to me on my radio, that automatically makes it big tech.
When I tried to start a business I learned all of this, it’s creepy but it’s also just… the way it is on the internet. Gotta avoid the internet if you don’t want this.
My favorite form of companies tracking me even when I actively avoid them is when social media sites/apps prompt users to share their contacts so they can easily find friends they might know without seemingly a way to ignore the prompt other than force closing the app and relaunching it so you land on the home page. Who knows how many entities have my personal contact info because of this scummy tactic
If you got a Droid or a old enough iPhone you can just press the back button
Edit: idk what social media you're talking about but atleast on insta and snap that don't happen to me
@@Bruh0h it asked me on both of those when I made them during the quarantines, and most recently Twitter. I obviously don’t share my contacts, but I can imagine a lot of people that probably don’t think about saying no just give them the info without a second thought
Whoever decided to call them cookies is the true criminal here.
Muta: "Why don't you leave your bathroom open for everyone to watch?"
Scat fetishists: "that's kinda hot..."
Bruh
Tails: You guys use a bathroom?