If you got the money, go for it. I have the same setup on my 22 xcw. Revalves on stock equipment are good. But when you have the "oh shit" moments in the rocks, the 4 grand extra you spend really shines
I just install trail valving. Makes the bike work great for rocky technical riding fast or slow. And It didn't cost me anywhere close to 6 grand for Heaven sake Kyle. But if someone wants to spend 6 grand then foolish power to them.
I've ridden a few set ups with cone valve, but I still prefer the KYB stuff. A set of Technical Touch inserts valved for my size and speed along with valving and re springing the stock shock made all the difference in the world on my 23 250XC. I know some folks like the air forks, I hate them. Leave those on the GG line and put cones or the new 6500 inserts in the KTM/Husq models.
I just pull off the swing arm, usually good time to grease it up anyway. If going to be putting premium shock on the bike might as well make sure all the linkage is clean and fresh to get the most out of it.
I put Lucky's (from Slaven's) on the front, and an MXTech National on the back, of my '21 TE300, a set of WP6500s on the front and another National shock (both from Corey at ProTune), on my '18 FE501. Yes, they are a lot of money, but less than the $6k thumbnail of this video ($3k for the 300 -bought the shock used, and about $4k for the 501), and I also plan to use them on several bikes. The risk here is that they may not fit on the next generation of bike that I buy. Regardless, both bikes work VERY well and I think that the money is well spent. I have never ridden the cone valve forks, or traxx shock so I can't make a comparison to those, but both of my suspension set up (both are for different applications) are better than any other modified suspension that I have purchased, or even ridden (on other's bikes) previously. I look forward to seeing how you like your set-up. IMO modifying the suspension, and also ergonomics, are the best dollar value one can get on your bike.
Lift the Forks 7.5mm (3rings show out) is same effect on trail as going from 22mm fork offset to 24mm and vice versa. Makes better handling but less stable. The effect is based on the change in front wheel trail. Best regards!
Kyle, now that you have ridden the new closed cartridge forks on the 24 models would you purchase this premium pro components again? I did and now that I’ve ridden a 24 I wouldn’t consider spending that money on pro components.
Tip for content. Buy a used bike. And try to make it as good as possible and then compare it to the newer bikes you get. Because most of us won’t be upgrading every year so for you to be able to compare it for us would be great.
@@woodysrockspyro6436hey man I have had Enzo a kit, rg3 a kit, and now cone valve wp stuff and I can honestly say all three have put me on the ground for a trip to the er.. 😂 suspension is absolutely the best mod a guy can do don’t get me wrong but I would be willing to bet 90% of guys out there couldn’t tell the difference between a kit vs stock stuff that’s had valuing, sag, and spring rate good..
Great video Kyle! 🙌 I was just wondering what was the problem of revalving the stock suspensions? At the end of the video you said something absolutely correct, which is that the valving is key to be able to have the suspensions dialed. However changing to premium/other suspensions won't make them automatically plusher or more comfortable if the revalve isn't the right one. Unfortunately that is a myth that is kept alive that makes a lot of people spend money they don't need. A proper adjustment/revalve of many stock suspensions is what most people need, not new suspensions. 😅 Just to clarify another point, the Cone Valve is probably the least suited feature for slower riding. It's an unbelievably technology for guys giving it the beans and bashing at stuff at great speeds. 💪 And yet another point, the premium PRO components are definitely the choice for someone...well, pro. The quality control and designs chosen are needed to allow the shock/forks keep their highest level of performance no matter the beating they get. That's what you get with the PRO line, but - like you said - if the valving is off, you can have gold platted suspensions that you won't get better at it in any way 👌 If you want to know more about it, I have a video dedicated to the Cone Valve and the Supertrax system is coming out in the next couple of weeks! 😄
He explained that that it will take him 3~ bikes to 'justify' the cost of the CV/Trax... Can you even buy the premium suspension without getting it revalved according to your specs/wishes?
Most people who ride never get the full potential out of their stock bike. Get your stock suspension set up properly and don't even worry about cone valves
Everybody poopooing here can go watch something else. Good information. Good to see videos from Kyle. Good to have a bike to ride. Period. Run what you brung if that’s what you’ve got but if you have the means and want to try something new, power to you. Keep up the good work Kyle.
XCW is where it's at. I will never go back to an XC. Everyone is searching and spending money for plusher suspension that comes stock on the XCW. Soaks up everything with ease. I prefer the XCW gearbox as well, less shifting. I use mine for everything. Single track and moto.
I am from South Africa love your video's I really wish i could enter your sweepstakes but every time it comes around I cant enter. Please try and make it international. Would love to compete.
Yup. That’s why I enter all the bike giveaways. Can’t afford a $10K bike yet let alone $6K suspension. As long as my fork seals aren’t leaking and it doesn’t bottom out I’m good 😏
I would level my bike on the stand and get a before and after measurement from your rear axle then make the same adjustment on your front by raising your forks. It's not a perfect science because your geometry is going to change slightly but it's close.
If you'd rather ride a slightly easier trail, or slightly slower, you're a wimp. If you spend $6K to make the same trail slightly easier, or give you slightly more speed, you're a local hero.
WP cone valve fork and Trax shock are a waste of money. I have them and in order to make them work well you take the cones out and install a conventional valve. Virtually every pro using cone valve forks doesn’t have cones in the fork anymore.
WP, easily the worst suspension brand ever. There are chinese KYB copies that works better out of the box. You buy a +$12000 bike and need to rebuild it for $2000 just to get the bike to work properly. WP/KTM/HVA/GG should be ashamed for all those years with crappy suspension.
you know what? KTM is bullshit ..15k for a bike with tier 2 suspension. the yamaha is far superior..and just as good as your upgraded suspension..gimme my yz any day..there is a reason why you see yz 250 smokers at the pro outdoor nationals and no ktms smokers
If you got the money, go for it. I have the same setup on my 22 xcw. Revalves on stock equipment are good. But when you have the "oh shit" moments in the rocks, the 4 grand extra you spend really shines
I just install trail valving. Makes the bike work great for rocky technical riding fast or slow. And It didn't cost me anywhere close to 6 grand for Heaven sake Kyle.
But if someone wants to spend 6 grand then foolish power to them.
At race pace it's not the same thing.
you should do a comparison with the WP XPLOR PRO 7548 FORK/XACT PRO 8950 SHOCK VS OHLINS RXF 48 FORK/TTX FLOW DV SHOCK
I've ridden a few set ups with cone valve, but I still prefer the KYB stuff. A set of Technical Touch inserts valved for my size and speed along with valving and re springing the stock shock made all the difference in the world on my 23 250XC. I know some folks like the air forks, I hate them. Leave those on the GG line and put cones or the new 6500 inserts in the KTM/Husq models.
+1 on the hate for air forks haha
I just pull off the swing arm, usually good time to grease it up anyway. If going to be putting premium shock on the bike might as well make sure all the linkage is clean and fresh to get the most out of it.
I’m here waiting on Sweepstakes Pros 😏
I put Lucky's (from Slaven's) on the front, and an MXTech National on the back, of my '21 TE300, a set of WP6500s on the front and another National shock (both from Corey at ProTune), on my '18 FE501. Yes, they are a lot of money, but less than the $6k thumbnail of this video ($3k for the 300 -bought the shock used, and about $4k for the 501), and I also plan to use them on several bikes. The risk here is that they may not fit on the next generation of bike that I buy. Regardless, both bikes work VERY well and I think that the money is well spent.
I have never ridden the cone valve forks, or traxx shock so I can't make a comparison to those, but both of my suspension set up (both are for different applications) are better than any other modified suspension that I have purchased, or even ridden (on other's bikes) previously.
I look forward to seeing how you like your set-up. IMO modifying the suspension, and also ergonomics, are the best dollar value one can get on your bike.
Add the Ravens instead of Lucky and will be that much better
Corey is the man
Lift the Forks 7.5mm (3rings show out) is same effect on trail as going from 22mm fork offset to 24mm and vice versa. Makes better handling but less stable. The effect is based on the change in front wheel trail. Best regards!
I’d like to see your review of the Rieju Mr300 pro
My next bike will be blue , I would never spend this much on suspension upgrade. KTM needs to up it up stockwise
Next time Kyle, try just removing the pipe and silencer and then the shock will come out the top. Easy!!!
Kyle, now that you have ridden the new closed cartridge forks on the 24 models would you purchase this premium pro components again? I did and now that I’ve ridden a 24 I wouldn’t consider spending that money on pro components.
Have the dal saggio suspension upgrade worth it for a weekend warrior.
I have a 23 Husqvarna tx300 I love the stiffer frame and suspension. I weigh 220 lb and I like the stiffer frame and suspension.
Tip for content. Buy a used bike. And try to make it as good as possible and then compare it to the newer bikes you get. Because most of us won’t be upgrading every year so for you to be able to compare it for us would be great.
I’m a weekend warrior I don’t race so 6k in suspension deff not worth it ! Lol
Have you had your suspension worked over?
@@KoltFin just re sprug fro my weight set sag an played with clickers all good!!
One trip to the er for a few stitches cost more than fancy suspension.... or the months off work from a bad get off.
@@woodysrockspyro6436 I’m set up just fine ! I ride every other weekend no issues yet
@@woodysrockspyro6436hey man I have had Enzo a kit, rg3 a kit, and now cone valve wp stuff and I can honestly say all three have put me on the ground for a trip to the er.. 😂 suspension is absolutely the best mod a guy can do don’t get me wrong but I would be willing to bet 90% of guys out there couldn’t tell the difference between a kit vs stock stuff that’s had valuing, sag, and spring rate good..
Great video Kyle! 🙌
I was just wondering what was the problem of revalving the stock suspensions? At the end of the video you said something absolutely correct, which is that the valving is key to be able to have the suspensions dialed. However changing to premium/other suspensions won't make them automatically plusher or more comfortable if the revalve isn't the right one.
Unfortunately that is a myth that is kept alive that makes a lot of people spend money they don't need. A proper adjustment/revalve of many stock suspensions is what most people need, not new suspensions. 😅
Just to clarify another point, the Cone Valve is probably the least suited feature for slower riding. It's an unbelievably technology for guys giving it the beans and bashing at stuff at great speeds. 💪
And yet another point, the premium PRO components are definitely the choice for someone...well, pro. The quality control and designs chosen are needed to allow the shock/forks keep their highest level of performance no matter the beating they get. That's what you get with the PRO line, but - like you said - if the valving is off, you can have gold platted suspensions that you won't get better at it in any way 👌
If you want to know more about it, I have a video dedicated to the Cone Valve and the Supertrax system is coming out in the next couple of weeks! 😄
He explained that that it will take him 3~ bikes to 'justify' the cost of the CV/Trax...
Can you even buy the premium suspension without getting it revalved according to your specs/wishes?
@@KTMmarkus if what you do suits the standard setting, sure!
If your in 1st or 2nd gear most of the time id think you wouldnt need a 6k suspension set up but if you got the $$ go for it
When is the drawing going to be done?
Probably next Friday or Saturday ( 4/21 or 4/22 )
I am so new to riding I doubt if I would ever know the difference. Maybe worth looking into once I have more experience.
Most people who ride never get the full potential out of their stock bike. Get your stock suspension set up properly and don't even worry about cone valves
Everybody poopooing here can go watch something else. Good information. Good to see videos from Kyle. Good to have a bike to ride. Period. Run what you brung if that’s what you’ve got but if you have the means and want to try something new, power to you. Keep up the good work Kyle.
Why not just get a xcw ?
He answers that one before : because he doesn’t like the gearing on xcw’s
XCW is where it's at. I will never go back to an XC. Everyone is searching and spending money for plusher suspension that comes stock on the XCW. Soaks up everything with ease. I prefer the XCW gearbox as well, less shifting. I use mine for everything. Single track and moto.
I am from South Africa love your video's I really wish i could enter your sweepstakes but every time it comes around I cant enter. Please try and make it international. Would love to compete.
Such a nice set! Hope it lasts you years!
I can't afford a new bike, so I'm not at premium suspension yet.... All the same, it's cool to hear about!
Yup. That’s why I enter all the bike giveaways. Can’t afford a $10K bike yet let alone $6K suspension. As long as my fork seals aren’t leaking and it doesn’t bottom out I’m good 😏
@@stevedouglas1654 Ditto!
For Kyle’s riding level. For my riding level.
Waste of money.
Are the new shock and forks xplor pros’?
Still waiting for the unicorn !
KTM on sunday ATM on monday.
where’s the giveaway man it ended 17 days ago
takes two weeks once the entries are in. so yeah any day.
He bought $6,000 suspension. No more giveaway 😂😂😂
probably this coming Friday / Saturday ( 21st / 22nd )
That TM though
So if u are changing your linkage on your bike too lower it an inch how much do u have to put your forks up on the triple trees!!!Anyone???...
I would level my bike on the stand and get a before and after measurement from your rear axle then make the same adjustment on your front by raising your forks. It's not a perfect science because your geometry is going to change slightly but it's close.
Should do MX Tech suspension review instead of that. At least the Raven forks which would be better then those.
You did not answer. Stock XPlor ist not bad if properly set and you did not show it was worth the $$$$
hope you got enduro version not MX.
Mx tech my guy
I doubt most most normal people need to spend so much money, as standard setup is fine !
If you'd rather ride a slightly easier trail, or slightly slower, you're a wimp.
If you spend $6K to make the same trail slightly easier, or give you slightly more speed, you're a local hero.
If I'm bending front rims from the rock impacts can I buy nicer stuff?
My wp open chambers with the dal sagio still kind of suck at speed.
WP cone valve fork and Trax shock are a waste of money. I have them and in order to make them work well you take the cones out and install a conventional valve. Virtually every pro using cone valve forks doesn’t have cones in the fork anymore.
are you joking?
@@ricardocasanova2440 not at all.
Come on man, SAG must be adjusted by spring rate with all clickers out, not compressoin!
Unless your a professional racer you don’t need that stuff.
WP, easily the worst suspension brand ever. There are chinese KYB copies that works better out of the box. You buy a +$12000 bike and need to rebuild it for $2000 just to get the bike to work properly. WP/KTM/HVA/GG should be ashamed for all those years with crappy suspension.
Total waste of money 👎
Man you got that right pay 13 grand out the door for a new KTM and then put $6,000 in man people got a hell of a lot more money to waste than I do
you know what? KTM is bullshit ..15k for a bike with tier 2 suspension. the yamaha is far superior..and just as good as your upgraded suspension..gimme my yz any day..there is a reason why you see yz 250 smokers at the pro outdoor nationals and no ktms smokers