Your so called mistake will save lives Ronny. I constantly look at racks now when I'm driving around and so many are overloaded. Worst case scenario is, after a weekend of 4wd, one flying off at speed on the way home and collecting another car. In my opinion this whole discussion should be on the news or at least a primtime car show to reach more ppl. You have done the community a service Ronny.
I really think the big issue is the rivets and the relatively thin metal of the roof. The pictures of the rivets you posted on you video from the main channel scream metal fatigue. With bolts thru a backing plate you distribute the stress over a greater area and dramatically reduce fatigue.
The track system that Ronnie was provided has been supersdeded by Rhino-Rack prior to this debacle. The roof sheet thickness where the Rhino track is mounted is far greater than what was experienced by Tyler. The revised tracks by Rhino are stainless and have a far better tensile strength than what's provided by the ally. I would agree though, little excuse for the Navara track. That said, Rivets have their place in the Roof rack world. The track designs are made so that a track can be fitted into blind holes. Most consumers are unlikely to drop a roof lining or be confident to do that themselves and I imagine Rhino has designed to the system to a consumer's price point. It's worth considering if the racks were ever to be pulled off to run a bare roof again, you'd need to be dropping the roof lining again and sealing 8.5mm holes instead of leaving a flush mounted aluminium track. For what it's worth as well - the systems in question are 5+ years old, and it would be fair to say that the overlanding market has changed it's habits considerably over that time (Aluminium Hardshell roof top tents?!)
Something that I don't feel was addressed: why does Toyota not make the Hilux roof ready for a rack. The Toyota Tacoma comes from the factory with threaded bolt holes already in the roof. They are concealed by the rubber stripping in the roof channels. You pull out that rubber and bolt your roof rack right to the Tacoma roof. It seems that Toyota should make the Hilux be roof rack ready as well.
Just looked at rhinos website. When you pick a rack now in the specs it doesn't say a load capacity of 120 or 100 and see fine print. It just directs you via a link to their load capacity calculator. Much more honest approach. Wish it was there when I bought one.
I have the rhino on my mux. Isuzu states 60kg with roof rails which is on the LST. I have an LSM and isuzu only state 60kg for the rails which I don't have. No actual roof rating. Their stock bars are rated to 80kg. My backbone isn't pop riveted either. Bolted on. Still the off road rating is annoying. When I bought it in stated 120kg load capacity which as we now know a stretch of the truth. If I went again it wouldn't be with rhino. All racks should have a rating plate like towbars etc.
100%agree with this all roof racks should have rating plates fitted but this would only happen if there was a standard that the manufacturer had to adhere to.
At the end of the day I don’t for a minute think you’re “bagging out” anyone. And looking at Tyler’s car if 5kg overweight is enough to tear the rack out of the roof it’s not even close to being up to the task.
@@shanenorwell8580 That's a daft thing to say for obvious reasons. At some point 1kg is going to be the breaking point - regardless of the 'margin'. The very simple answer is to know the limits of the equipment you buy. Tyler has started the conversation. And Rhino say 1/3, but they will have some fat in that as well. We're all just taking EXACTLY 1/3 as the cutoff. What I think is VERY poor regardless of the numbers, is that Rhino treated Tyler like shit and pretty much dismissed him completely, but gave Ronny a reach around - just because of the difference in audience. I'm more disappointed in them because of that, than anything else.
One other thing I would like to mention separate from my other comment is dissimilar metals and their reactions. When restoring my tinny a few years back one big topic was the use of Stainless or Galvanized bolts etc in an Alloy boat. The metals react together causing Galvanic Corrosion. Using Alloy Rivets on a metal roof will over time have the same effect and therefore weaken the mounting points. SikaFlex can help reduce and stop this issue but you would think it would just be easier to use the same type of metal and make sure its painted to protect from rust.
Hi Ronny, I think you've done a great job addressing this rack issue. Time to move on to other content. Social media by nature is less forgiving than it should be, but you have handled the drama well. For me and for probably most of your viewers, you have had a long history of great content where your character and integrity are clearly on display. Keep up the good work!
I can’t see rhino rack going bust because of this ha. That comment was a bit rich. Also any sales that they lose are people who are now aware they a rhino rack isn’t made for their application. That’s not a bad sale to lose. That’s a sale you don’t want in the first place. If you do want that sale you need to make a product that suits the application.
It’s something I would have liked to have avoided but I got quite a few of those messages and questions so I felt it needed to be addressed and stamped out. On a positive note that made the move to change the photos on the website which is a big step forward in my opinion
@@RonnyDahlPhotography I think a lot of manufactures should be taking note of these videos. They are building so many items that are so damn heavy while so few people know about the dangers off road. Hopefully this encourages Roof Rack manufactures to create racks with a higher limit & better mounting, higher roof limits on vehicles and products that are lighter as well as making sure the customer knows their limits both on road & off road.
Nice work covering this issue with the Rhino backbone system. Anyone that has seen structures using rivets to hold sheet metal (the roof) to a structural frame (the Rhino backbone frame) would realise that the Rhino engineers that came up with this idea haven't got a clue. This method can be tremendously strong, but I would think most 4wd owners wouldn't want the actual number of rivets and holes required (in their roofs) to provided the same strength as the mounting system of through bolts and backing plates.
Hi Ronny love your videos. Would like to just correct you re. the Defender. The load rating is 300kg static and 168kg dynamic. If you look at land rovers website the load rating is for the 110 is 168/100kg. I recall a video from about the time it was launched stating the load rating was reduced off road to 100kg but I can't find any reference to it or what the 168/100kg rating refers.
Thanks for the great insightful videos. I think a lot of people WANT to put a ton of stuff on their roofs and then complain about the noise, about the mpgs lost, about the conservative load ratings from the car vs the overblown ratings from the rack manufacturers and their emotions go all over the place. A lot of people fall on the conservative side and reassess what their actual needs are and do the right thing...i.e. safety first. Other people start lying to themselves and others about manufacturers being overly safe, about such and such person having traveled all over the world with such and such load on their racks, and use that as an excuse to overload their roofs and do whatever it is that they want to do. It's just human nature. There are the smart minority of humans, and then there are the less smart minority of humans and then there's the sheep inbetween who listen to either the devil or angel on their shoulders and act accordingly.
Regarding the looks and the vibe, Ronnie went from the happy offroad fellow we know from down under to a bad tempered hill billy. As a advice, fix your self up and your surrounding conditions before recording a video, specially when you chose to create a second channel and drag us all over here. Don't take the audiance for fools!
That's actually a bit of a spin out when you see that 4 Maxtrax, some lights, a UHF aerial and some wiring has maxed out your rack! I'm also intrigued as to how you get the UHF cable into the cab with the aerial on the roof? 🤔
Hey Ronny, I wonder if these on-road vs off-road dynamic roof load ratings are actually a limit imposed by the vehicle manufacturer. I understand your original Rhino rack video is 2 years old, and this one 1 year, so I’m a bit late to the party, but I’m just getting into the 4WD’ing scene myself. If I jump on Rhino Rack’s website, the 2021 PX3 Ranger had an 80kg roof limit, but still carried a one-third reduction in carrying capacity going from on-road to off-road. Conversely, the new Ranger has an 85kg dynamic load rating, yet doesn’t incur a one-third reduction between on and off-road travel. A quick google shows D-Max’s OEM roof rack carry’s a one-quarter reduction between on and off-road use. Jumping into Rhino Rack’s website again, and it matches; a one-quarter reduction is shown. Yakima on the other hand actually has a handy online guide that articulates how different mounting methods induce different off-road reductions. Fixed point mounts reduce dynamic off-road capacity by 0%. Track mount and raised rails reduce by 20%, and flush rails and door gutter mounts reduce by 33%. Toyota was a REALLY hard one to work out, as there’s just so little information out there for carrying capacities. As I said; it has been 2 years since your insight into Rhino Rack occurred, but if anything, I feel inclined to trust them more than all the other roof rack manufacturers, simply because they’ve updated their website and provide all the figures. Companies like ARB are just atrocious for getting specifications from. Power is knowledge, and KNOWING when I am within the limits or not, is better than just assuming.
Hey Ronny. Congrats on handling the negativity surrounding this so well mate. It's refreshing to see someone take a position on an issue, and defend it calmly, with logic and reason, and simultaneously be open-minded enough to entertain many different perspectives. Especially when many of those perspectives are in direct contravention with your own. Well done Sir. Glad I was able to find this video.
Roof rating, rack rating and just being smart and doing your research. It's your responsibility to gauge what the vehicle can handle. Not the manufacturer's responsibility. If you read the fine print, I would bet my life there is a disclaimer somewhere on their site.
Thanks for another great video! I linked your first roof rack video to our local off-road clubs Facebook page and had a great and very lively conversation - the general sentiment among the group was that manufacturers need to be transparent. The current debacle for Black Diamond and their faulty avalanche beacons are a perfect example! Personally, I keep things off my roof because I like to keep my weight down low - we also tend to follow The backpacker mentality when off-road so it's not too tough for us :-) thanks as always for being a fantastic ambassador for the off-roading community and an all around good guy! A you-tuber who admits a mistake? There will be a cold one for you at my campfire any day!
Land Rover has gotten everything right when it comes to roof racks on their car. My discovery 4 has actual mounting points on the roof for roof racks. So there are threaded holes in the roof that are directly in the frame of the car so the roof rack is bolted to the frame of the car instead of just being riveted to the sheet metal lining the car or being clamped on
Clear and easy info, Thanks Ronny, for extra input - Dynamic load rating are to do with roll over test at the ANCAP . The roof is designed to take the weight of the car in a rollover so read that as you will
Ronny mate, your channel has been useful, considering there was a boo boo on roof rack. However, no drama on my end as l always try to lower the centre of gravity and weight conscious in any way possible. You have 1 video on bull bar and that's about 80kg. Are you able to do bull bar options that could reduce 80kg? Not using one is to do nothing is an option but l would prefer encouraging Aussie industrial creativity to come up with something that could protect from a roo hit other than what we already have now. Cheers.
Well done Ronny. Transparency leads to a solution. I've got RR bars holding up a 270° awning, a small/narrow mesh basket for 2 Maxtracks, and a shovel. That's just under my Max roof load. It works.
I don't think you get to pick and choose though. I contacted FR and they said for my car (N70 Hilux), they would use rivets as per the install instructions.
The Rhino Rack, Front Runner rack and many other brands are equally capable to carry 50-60 kg on most vehicles with a 75kg load limit. If your Rhino Rack was bolted onto the Hilux the same way (nuts, bolts, plate) as you've done with the Front Runner the problem would have been solved. No roof rack should be installed with rivets without proper reinforcement. Better honest marketing for these aluminum roof racks would raise awareness of the hazards of overloading the manufacturer roof specifications. And great video feedback
This is such a loaded topic (pun intended 🤓) thanks for clearing that up Ronny! I cracked my head trying to figure a rack option for my Jeep but now I decided it’s not worth the mod, cost, and risk considering how I use my Jeep
@@RonnyDahlPhotography yup that was by far the best option but we remove the hardtop often. In the end I settled on packing lighter, hitch mounted basket, and removable roof rails and ditched the idea of an “ultimate overland build”....maybe one day
Hi Ronny There are 2 problems in this case 1) Toyota have a roof rating ( is it in the manual ? ) 2 ) in this case Rhino rack also have a load rating for there product ( but as usual hard to find ) neither of them appear to work together correctlly unlike the advertising marketing .It is always buyer beware.and read the fine print always. Project Luxy is getting a bit bloated
Thankyou for putting out so much great content in this. I feel like this is such a hard topic to truly understand. I’ve got the pioneer backbone put on a 150 series Prado a month ago before I knew about the ratings. They say look in your manual but there is nowhere that Toyota put it in their manual about a roof load rating for the Prado. Dealership confirmed 100kg. Roof racks galore told me that you take the weight of the rack and then divide by 1.5. Not 1.5 then the weight of the rack which is a 12kg difference in the calcs. Then there is the rhino rack website that says refer to fitting instructions and what that says is another 3.5kg off. So basically if the dealership is right and I’m 100kg then I’m either 32kg/44kg/47.5kg off road. 😞
Hey Ronny, you better dot your I's and cross yours T's, as all the punters will cut you down if you have any figure's wrong, come guy's give him a break, as he is flagging issues here, do your own research, as for that RonJon Dude 🤦♂️
Hi Ronny, By chance would you know the roof rating for the FJ Cruiser, only asking this as there are a few of us out there, that have tried finding out the details from Toyota, but have been told different stories. Also there are heaps of us FJ owners out there, that have Rhino Racks on our FJ's & are in a dizzy as to whether we should ditch them & go to the like of Front Runner, ARB etc.
Hey mate, asked on a previous video. But just wondering if you have any additional contact information for the team that assisted in the installation of your rack. Cheers mate 👍🏼
The new Defender roof rack although strong comprises of over fifty separate pieces if you include the roof bar fittings, can any other manufacturers beat this ? The new Defender is of monocoque construction and much stiffer than the old skool separate chassis and body giving a heavier roof weight limit than the HiLux, Landcruiser etc
i hope these videos are being sent to car manufacturers. These cars were originally designed for mines and agriculture, the farm. I suspect if you want to cart all this stuff about overlanding, you'll need a Vdub van. For rock hopping put nothing on the roof. Give up a couple of luxuries
Thank you for a very informative review session. The one problem that I have I can not find a carry rating for an FJ Cruiser. I can only find their supplied roof rack rating.
Rhino have had the offroad load reduction for some time. I had forgotten but was told about it 10 years ago when buying a awning . They recommended me have 3 brackets on an awning instead of 2 if going offroad.
Btw I agree with your points reg this roof rack and good that the manufacture has changed their way of specifiying the details more clearly. So good on you for that!
yes racks are worth it - if you have a wagon, or if you have a ute and you have a patrion account in your name. utes roof hold less weight and wagon trunk hold less stuff . no brainer
Hey mate, ur comment re MUX 60kg... I have one on mine and I’m honestly still unsure here and can’t get to the bottom of it. Yes Isuzu say 60kg however rhino clearly state in my instruction book120kg when using backbone system.
The weakest link is the limiting factor. Backbone might be able to hold 120 (on or off road?), but on a 60kg roof it doesn't matter. This is a good video - note how he also reduces the roof limit for offroad. Not sure if that's correct, but he definitely takes it into consideration. th-cam.com/video/mLTJ6SpdUx4/w-d-xo.html
So here is something to ponder. If rhino rack was mounted the same as the front runner rack, would it carry the same? Rhino put up load rating to cater for 80% of customers who don't go off road. My JLU Rubicon can off road load 80kg and on road 100kg with my rhino setup. Rhino are trying to protect your roof and making instal easier. I guess no need to pull roof lining on rhino?
That's the reason (and appeal) of the Rhino - removing the headliner is a big install headache. I used to do a lot of roof rack installa when I worked in the marine industry - we REFUSED to sell or install any pop-riveted rack systems, period. I still feel that the old 'gutter clamp' systems are the best, followed by bolt through (definitely a pita to install!). RIP rain gutters, I miss having them on most new cars!
When 4x4 driving the weight is pulling up and down is the main problem, the mounting of the rhino rack was only really suitable for downward! Really they just need to change the way they mount them I think!
Ignoring stability issues and not being an Engineer, it's my opinion that the way you have mounted your new rack, could potentially increases the Hilux"s roof load limit.(a pot rivet (small surface area) will easily rip through the thin skin of the vehicle's roof where as the strip of steal that you added (large surfaces area) won't.
Depends if you have the factory roof rails, 120 prado is 80kg with factory roof rails, 100kg without. I'm glad I found this info prior to going and buying a clamshell RTT.. @93kgs plus the platform already over the cars roof limit.
Is drilling holes in the roof for pop rivets or bolts voiding manufacturers warranties/safety ratings the only roof rack approved for the car is the one approved by the manufacturer. I assume that the roof rack manufacturer then manufactures a roof rack to a standard for each vehicle and get it certified to be road legal otherwise insurance won’t cover the car. But as stated above is your cars warranty/safety rating now void by fitting the device.
In NZ there has just been a clarification about this when fitting snorkels. Obviously attaching a roof rack by putting holes(weakening) the strongest part of your roof leads to the same issues Recently, there have been questions raised in various quarters about the attachment of an air intake snorkel to an A-pillar requiring LVV certification. LVVTA have discussed this issue with the Transport Agency and the Agency’s position of the fitment of snorkels to light vehicles is. "Snorkels may be fitted to the A-Pillar of vehicles provided they are only fitted to the outer skin, the fixings are of an appropriate size and they are appropriately sealed and rust treated to not let water inside the A-pillar and prevent corrosion. The Transport Agency still recommend fitting with adhesives rather than screws." This means, if you meet the above, then LVV certification is not required.
"At least your not drilling in your roof" you are referring to the rivets on rhino. UMmm how are you putting the bolts through your roof? Rhino offer a backbone system for those who want to go off road and its very much the same as front runner.
Hi Ronny so what would your opinion be if you had a internal roll cage and your rack was fitted to this, taking into account that the rack now is fitted to cage and not the vehicles roof..
Not really an option with airbags and that would cost a lot to do even without. Maybe for the rear inside a canopy I’ve done that before but it adds even more weight too. Best option in my view is a rack that is light and uses the full limit of the roof rating and only mount what you can.
The only comparison to be made is if the front runner is installed with pop rivets ;). Willing to bet that the rhino rack will hold just as much if it was installed with bolts/backing plates/nuts. The problem is not the rack itself but the recommended way of installing on a car that does not provide easy fit for purpose mounting points. Yes, rhino rack should have done better to recommend a better installation method but any other brand rack would be as weak with the same pop rivet installation.
If you make the connection from the rack to the roof more secure, the point of failure will move to the rack itself, which RR obviously DON'T have much faith in.
Although some photos on their website were overloaded, I do have to comment on the example you used on their website with the photo of the rack and a heap of accessories. Believe the point of that image was to show the different accessories you can attach to the rack, not exactly what you can put on there. Plus there are vehicles that could carry all of that. So technically overloaded for some, not overloaded for others.
To some degree maybe, but given the load has to be spread, good luck spreading a gas bottle or spare wheel, then I think that the advertising is still crap. An awning can't be spread and is in fact cantilevered off the side of the rack in all the cases I have seen. Fact is that most vehicles can't carry most of this stuff which is the point that is being made.
@@oldbloke204 wasn’t denying that there weren’t any overloaded images being used. Either way Rhino’s rack can probably carry the same amount of weight as a front runner. You can carry more on any rack it’s just insurance won’t be too happy if you overload it and something happens - probably why rhino’s put this off-road rating. Other difference is how it’s mounted using rivets - which front runner also provides as an option which should have been mentioned as Rhino isn’t the only company using rivets. If anything a lot of companies should be called out...
@@francisclarke6904 I agree that this industry should have way more accountability than they do but the fact is that there are products that cost less that don't have this limitation applied, or so they say, and the facts were very hard to find, as previously stated. By also giving it to off road content creators is also being a bit cagey if it can't carry what they imply imo. The insurance thing is the big risk imo. If something happens and the manufacturer wipes their hands of it what do you reckon insurance companies will do or what happens if someone is injured? Another TH-camr went into all of this if you look for it.
Good on you for your honesty I have a dual cab 79 and I can’t find the roof load limit anywhere . I’ve even contacted Toyota who never got back to me . Do you know what the limit is
The comment there about the mux and just to be clear rhino state this on their website....with the back bone system it can hold up 120kgs. I believe Isuzu only provide the roof ratings with the roof rails which is 60kgs. Surely rhino wouldn’t make a claim like that if it wasn’t true? Lawsuit waiting to happen right?
@@dan_4jj151 just cause the rack can hold x amount, doesnt mean the car maker has engineered the roof mounts ect to hold that amount of weight. Its not hard to comprehend mate. Quit reading bout the roof rack limits, and start reading the manufactuer ratings, and buy according to that.
@@krump743 I understand it completely trust me, Rhino are are saying the actual roof capacity is 120kgs. Nothing to do with the rack. They state the rack can hold a lot more.
Ronny, you are wrong about the 70 series and the Prado. 70 series carries much more than you just mentioned. It is 150 kg for the 76 and the 79 and 200kg for the 78. I own a GRJ78 (Pioneer rack+rooftop tent=no issues at all). The good thing about the 70 series is the fact that you do not have to drill holes into your roof because the rack is attached to the gutters. Very solid. Prado/Land Cruiser J15 only carry 80kg.
Gibralter Holdings video talks about 70 series having a higher roof weight capacity if you have the factory rack which looks like that bolts to the roof. Roof gutter fixings gives a lower carrying weight according to them. Look for their looong 70 series review video.
@@grandefromage4607 Yes exactly, the factory roof rack for the 78 and 76 is bolted directly through the roof where the roof cross bar are for maximum strength (and probably reinforced).
Factory roof rating is you vehicle manufacturer specs and the only true one you can find. Don’t listen to the sales guy but instead ask the vehicle manufacturer for the roof limit. Another good indication is to look at what the OEM racks are rated to for you vehicle I.e Toyota’s is 75 for my Hilux but then you have to take off the weight of the rack as well. What you are left with after this: rack ??kg minus roof load ??kg = the cargo load after the rack is fitted.
@@RonnyDahlPhotography I have read the specs and searched for the Fortuner roof load rating and I can’t find it anywhere. I think the vehicle and accessories manufacturers all need to lift their game because it’s critical information to this market and the products. Thanks for doing such a great job with the follow ups Ronny.
I am referring to all the load ratings as critical information. In our case the load ratings could be one of the this that helps us decide what vehicle we are about to buy. Fortuner is high on our list.
Hi Mattyolo, the Toyota australia website lists the genuine Fortuner roof rack as having a 62kg ‘payload’ capacity. I’m assuming the total roof rating is 75kg like on the hilux,
Hi ronny dahl do you have a video how you remove the old tracks from rhino rack? Planning to remove mine as well, issue is too much wind noise even with wind fairing.
At what point are you holding Toyota accountable for producing a poor quality product? Oh wait because it is Toyota you won't do that.. but any other make you wouldn't hold back on dragging the Company through the dirt. Hey!!!
I guess you missed the point there mate, its the off-road rating that kills the Rhino product for me. If they kept the same rating on and off road and bolted them like everyone else this would not be an issue at all. 75kg is enough for most DC owners if you want a RRT then get a wagon or tow a trailer...
Sharee, its not Toyota that have two different ratings...one that is hidden in the fine print...you don't see Toyota pictures advertising that it can hold more than its rated capacity?? Wake up idiot.
@@jamesop22 My argument is, wouldn't it be better for the company producing a 4wd which clearly is intended for more than just an everyday drive and build a product able to carry a greater mass in the first place. The rhino rack is designed to hold 100kg but you lose out because Toyota is designed only to carry 75kg. Also very mature approach to call someone an idiot clearly you haven't much to argue or back yourself up with as you revert to calling someone names. Cheers to you!!
@@shareealidad2470 Sharee, I call it as I see it, the issue isn't the vehicle manufacturers load limit, this is an engineering specification, its about 3rd party companies false advertising and hiding it in the fine print. Because they know full well nobody would spend 1500 to hold a bag of shopping on the roof.
@@RonnyDahlPhotography Everyone else doesn't bolt them? How can you make that claim? I contacted Front Runner and they said they would rivet mine as per their fitting instructions.
Your so called mistake will save lives Ronny. I constantly look at racks now when I'm driving around and so many are overloaded. Worst case scenario is, after a weekend of 4wd, one flying off at speed on the way home and collecting another car. In my opinion this whole discussion should be on the news or at least a primtime car show to reach more ppl. You have done the community a service Ronny.
Tyler Thompson the sentimental hero..
Erin Brockovich of 4x4
Hey. Be nice. 😂
I like Tyler.
@@NathanKingOverland don't care
@@mickmay6569 Fair enough.
Hey mate.....maybe a bit of credit to Tyler Thompson eh?
What a can of worms eh!
Sure Tyler did bring all this to light and I did mention him in the previous video. This time it’s more about what I did not what happened 👍
To me personally, a roof rack is an expensive fishing rod holder and light bar bracket
I really think the big issue is the rivets and the relatively thin metal of the roof. The pictures of the rivets you posted on you video from the main channel scream metal fatigue. With bolts thru a backing plate you distribute the stress over a greater area and dramatically reduce fatigue.
It should be illegal to use rivets. very poor construction.
The track system that Ronnie was provided has been supersdeded by Rhino-Rack prior to this debacle. The roof sheet thickness where the Rhino track is mounted is far greater than what was experienced by Tyler. The revised tracks by Rhino are stainless and have a far better tensile strength than what's provided by the ally. I would agree though, little excuse for the Navara track.
That said, Rivets have their place in the Roof rack world. The track designs are made so that a track can be fitted into blind holes. Most consumers are unlikely to drop a roof lining or be confident to do that themselves and I imagine Rhino has designed to the system to a consumer's price point.
It's worth considering if the racks were ever to be pulled off to run a bare roof again, you'd need to be dropping the roof lining again and sealing 8.5mm holes instead of leaving a flush mounted aluminium track.
For what it's worth as well - the systems in question are 5+ years old, and it would be fair to say that the overlanding market has changed it's habits considerably over that time (Aluminium Hardshell roof top tents?!)
I agree, I’m super worried about mine now, I’m keen to switch over to something else like the front runner but don’t want 8 holes left in my roof
Ron Jon A needs to be dropped, how dare he speaks to Ronny like that 😡
Something that I don't feel was addressed: why does Toyota not make the Hilux roof ready for a rack. The Toyota Tacoma comes from the factory with threaded bolt holes already in the roof. They are concealed by the rubber stripping in the roof channels. You pull out that rubber and bolt your roof rack right to the Tacoma roof. It seems that Toyota should make the Hilux be roof rack ready as well.
Just looked at rhinos website. When you pick a rack now in the specs it doesn't say a load capacity of 120 or 100 and see fine print. It just directs you via a link to their load capacity calculator. Much more honest approach. Wish it was there when I bought one.
I have the rhino on my mux. Isuzu states 60kg with roof rails which is on the LST. I have an LSM and isuzu only state 60kg for the rails which I don't have. No actual roof rating. Their stock bars are rated to 80kg. My backbone isn't pop riveted either. Bolted on. Still the off road rating is annoying. When I bought it in stated 120kg load capacity which as we now know a stretch of the truth. If I went again it wouldn't be with rhino. All racks should have a rating plate like towbars etc.
100%agree with this all roof racks should have rating plates fitted but this would only happen if there was a standard that the manufacturer had to adhere to.
@@Scicluna83 Yeah, I wonder if anyone has written to their local Federal politician?
At the end of the day I don’t for a minute think you’re “bagging out” anyone. And looking at Tyler’s car if 5kg overweight is enough to tear the rack out of the roof it’s not even close to being up to the task.
He was more than 5 over.
@@rbrdly I don’t care if he was 20kg over. It’s still not even close to having enough safety margin.
@@shanenorwell8580 That's a daft thing to say for obvious reasons.
At some point 1kg is going to be the breaking point - regardless of the 'margin'. The very simple answer is to know the limits of the equipment you buy. Tyler has started the conversation.
And Rhino say 1/3, but they will have some fat in that as well. We're all just taking EXACTLY 1/3 as the cutoff.
What I think is VERY poor regardless of the numbers, is that Rhino treated Tyler like shit and pretty much dismissed him completely, but gave Ronny a reach around - just because of the difference in audience.
I'm more disappointed in them because of that, than anything else.
Defender dynamic roof load is 168kg. So still a bit but not 300. That is just static.
One other thing I would like to mention separate from my other comment is dissimilar metals and their reactions. When restoring my tinny a few years back one big topic was the use of Stainless or Galvanized bolts etc in an Alloy boat. The metals react together causing Galvanic Corrosion. Using Alloy Rivets on a metal roof will over time have the same effect and therefore weaken the mounting points. SikaFlex can help reduce and stop this issue but you would think it would just be easier to use the same type of metal and make sure its painted to protect from rust.
Hi Ronny, I think you've done a great job addressing this rack issue. Time to move on to other content. Social media by nature is less forgiving than it should be, but you have handled the drama well. For me and for probably most of your viewers, you have had a long history of great content where your character and integrity are clearly on display. Keep up the good work!
I can’t see rhino rack going bust because of this ha. That comment was a bit rich.
Also any sales that they lose are people who are now aware they a rhino rack isn’t made for their application. That’s not a bad sale to lose. That’s a sale you don’t want in the first place. If you do want that sale you need to make a product that suits the application.
It’s something I would have liked to have avoided but I got quite a few of those messages and questions so I felt it needed to be addressed and stamped out.
On a positive note that made the move to change the photos on the website which is a big step forward in my opinion
@@RonnyDahlPhotography I think a lot of manufactures should be taking note of these videos. They are building so many items that are so damn heavy while so few people know about the dangers off road. Hopefully this encourages Roof Rack manufactures to create racks with a higher limit & better mounting, higher roof limits on vehicles and products that are lighter as well as making sure the customer knows their limits both on road & off road.
The manufacturer's roof weight limit should also include the stability of the vehicle. So with a body lift the vehicle's stability has been effected!
Hi Ronnie, I have watched your videos on the subject and have learnt a fair bit from them. Thanks for taking the time to do these. Cheers Ian
Nice work covering this issue with the Rhino backbone system. Anyone that has seen structures using rivets to hold sheet metal (the roof) to a structural frame (the Rhino backbone frame) would realise that the Rhino engineers that came up with this idea haven't got a clue. This method can be tremendously strong, but I would think most 4wd owners wouldn't want the actual number of rivets and holes required (in their roofs) to provided the same strength as the mounting system of through bolts and backing plates.
8:30 Exactly. Racks can hold enough weight if the roof had a decent rating in the first place.
Hi Ronny love your videos. Would like to just correct you re. the Defender. The load rating is 300kg static and 168kg dynamic. If you look at land rovers website the load rating is for the 110 is 168/100kg. I recall a video from about the time it was launched stating the load rating was reduced off road to 100kg but I can't find any reference to it or what the 168/100kg rating refers.
Thanks for the info, another strong point in doing the research for the vehicle you have. It's written in so many different ways
Thanks for the great insightful videos. I think a lot of people WANT to put a ton of stuff on their roofs and then complain about the noise, about the mpgs lost, about the conservative load ratings from the car vs the overblown ratings from the rack manufacturers and their emotions go all over the place. A lot of people fall on the conservative side and reassess what their actual needs are and do the right thing...i.e. safety first. Other people start lying to themselves and others about manufacturers being overly safe, about such and such person having traveled all over the world with such and such load on their racks, and use that as an excuse to overload their roofs and do whatever it is that they want to do. It's just human nature. There are the smart minority of humans, and then there are the less smart minority of humans and then there's the sheep inbetween who listen to either the devil or angel on their shoulders and act accordingly.
Regarding the looks and the vibe, Ronnie went from the happy offroad fellow we know from down under to a bad tempered hill billy. As a advice, fix your self up and your surrounding conditions before recording a video, specially when you chose to create a second channel and drag us all over here. Don't take the audiance for fools!
That's actually a bit of a spin out when you see that 4 Maxtrax, some lights, a UHF aerial and some wiring has maxed out your rack! I'm also intrigued as to how you get the UHF cable into the cab with the aerial on the roof? 🤔
Hey Ronny,
I wonder if these on-road vs off-road dynamic roof load ratings are actually a limit imposed by the vehicle manufacturer.
I understand your original Rhino rack video is 2 years old, and this one 1 year, so I’m a bit late to the party, but I’m just getting into the 4WD’ing scene myself.
If I jump on Rhino Rack’s website, the 2021 PX3 Ranger had an 80kg roof limit, but still carried a one-third reduction in carrying capacity going from on-road to off-road.
Conversely, the new Ranger has an 85kg dynamic load rating, yet doesn’t incur a one-third reduction between on and off-road travel.
A quick google shows D-Max’s OEM roof rack carry’s a one-quarter reduction between on and off-road use. Jumping into Rhino Rack’s website again, and it matches; a one-quarter reduction is shown.
Yakima on the other hand actually has a handy online guide that articulates how different mounting methods induce different off-road reductions. Fixed point mounts reduce dynamic off-road capacity by 0%. Track mount and raised rails reduce by 20%, and flush rails and door gutter mounts reduce by 33%.
Toyota was a REALLY hard one to work out, as there’s just so little information out there for carrying capacities.
As I said; it has been 2 years since your insight into Rhino Rack occurred, but if anything, I feel inclined to trust them more than all the other roof rack manufacturers, simply because they’ve updated their website and provide all the figures.
Companies like ARB are just atrocious for getting specifications from. Power is knowledge, and KNOWING when I am within the limits or not, is better than just assuming.
Hey Ronny.
Congrats on handling the negativity surrounding this so well mate. It's refreshing to see someone take a position on an issue, and defend it calmly, with logic and reason, and simultaneously be open-minded enough to entertain many different perspectives. Especially when many of those perspectives are in direct contravention with your own. Well done Sir. Glad I was able to find this video.
Roof rating, rack rating and just being smart and doing your research. It's your responsibility to gauge what the vehicle can handle. Not the manufacturer's responsibility. If you read the fine print, I would bet my life there is a disclaimer somewhere on their site.
Thanks Ronny,
What are your thoughts on the ARB Base rack?
Is Sleipnir within load limits? and maybe you could add a section to your modified series about their roof setup, and how (if?) they got around it.
This is a good point. I would love to hear about that roof and rack as well.
Thanks for another great video! I linked your first roof rack video to our local off-road clubs Facebook page and had a great and very lively conversation - the general sentiment among the group was that manufacturers need to be transparent. The current debacle for Black Diamond and their faulty avalanche beacons are a perfect example! Personally, I keep things off my roof because I like to keep my weight down low - we also tend to follow The backpacker mentality when off-road so it's not too tough for us :-) thanks as always for being a fantastic ambassador for the off-roading community and an all around good guy! A you-tuber who admits a mistake? There will be a cold one for you at my campfire any day!
Land Rover has gotten everything right when it comes to roof racks on their car.
My discovery 4 has actual mounting points on the roof for roof racks. So there are threaded holes in the roof that are directly in the frame of the car so the roof rack is bolted to the frame of the car instead of just being riveted to the sheet metal lining the car or being clamped on
Clear and easy info, Thanks Ronny, for extra input - Dynamic load rating are to do with roll over test at the ANCAP . The roof is designed to take the weight of the car in a rollover so read that as you will
Nil desperandum, moronicus carborundum.
My jimny has a roof rating of 30kgs but it's good just to have a rack for the awning and some camp chairs, love the videos keep it up
So you are overloaded then?
Ronny mate, your channel has been useful, considering there was a boo boo on roof rack. However, no drama on my end as l always try to lower the centre of gravity and weight conscious in any way possible. You have 1 video on bull bar and that's about 80kg. Are you able to do bull bar options that could reduce 80kg? Not using one is to do nothing is an option but l would prefer encouraging Aussie industrial creativity to come up with something that could protect from a roo hit other than what we already have now. Cheers.
Agree, a 4130 Chromoly roo bar is used for roll cages
Good job Ronny! Love the honestly
Well done Ronny. Transparency leads to a solution. I've got RR bars holding up a 270° awning, a small/narrow mesh basket for 2 Maxtracks, and a shovel. That's just under my Max roof load. It works.
Thankyou
Ought to also mention Front Runner do two types of mounting. Rail with rivets same as Rhino Rack and the heavy duty bolt on type that you've got.
Yeah that’s a good point something I missed to mention
I don't think you get to pick and choose though. I contacted FR and they said for my car (N70 Hilux), they would use rivets as per the install instructions.
The Rhino Rack, Front Runner rack and many other brands are equally capable to carry 50-60 kg on most vehicles with a 75kg load limit. If your Rhino Rack was bolted onto the Hilux the same way (nuts, bolts, plate) as you've done with the Front Runner the problem would have been solved. No roof rack should be installed with rivets without proper reinforcement. Better honest marketing for these aluminum roof racks would raise awareness of the hazards of overloading the manufacturer roof specifications. And great video feedback
This is such a loaded topic (pun intended 🤓) thanks for clearing that up Ronny! I cracked my head trying to figure a rack option for my Jeep but now I decided it’s not worth the mod, cost, and risk considering how I use my Jeep
My dad used to have an exo frame on his hero jk that held his roof rack but it added a lot of weight but also protection to the sides
@@RonnyDahlPhotography yup that was by far the best option but we remove the hardtop often. In the end I settled on packing lighter, hitch mounted basket, and removable roof rails and ditched the idea of an “ultimate overland build”....maybe one day
@@RonnyDahlPhotography Is dad ok mate? Miss the addition of the Jeep too in your videos.
Hi Ronny There are 2 problems in this case 1) Toyota have a roof rating ( is it in the manual ? ) 2 ) in this case Rhino rack also have a load rating for there product ( but as usual hard to find ) neither of them appear to work together correctlly unlike the advertising marketing .It is always buyer beware.and read the fine print always.
Project Luxy is getting a bit bloated
Anyone help with roof load rating for a 20/20 79 series duel cab currently have ARB base rack with gutter mounts. Cheers.
Thankyou for putting out so much great content in this.
I feel like this is such a hard topic to truly understand. I’ve got the pioneer backbone put on a 150 series Prado a month ago before I knew about the ratings. They say look in your manual but there is nowhere that Toyota put it in their manual about a roof load rating for the Prado. Dealership confirmed 100kg. Roof racks galore told me that you take the weight of the rack and then divide by 1.5. Not 1.5 then the weight of the rack which is a 12kg difference in the calcs. Then there is the rhino rack website that says refer to fitting instructions and what that says is another 3.5kg off. So basically if the dealership is right and I’m 100kg then I’m either 32kg/44kg/47.5kg off road. 😞
Hey Ronny, you better dot your I's and cross yours T's, as all the punters will cut you down if you have any figure's wrong, come guy's give him a break, as he is flagging issues here, do your own research, as for that RonJon Dude 🤦♂️
Hi Ronny, By chance would you know the roof rating for the FJ Cruiser, only asking this as there are a few of us out there, that have tried finding out the details from Toyota, but have been told different stories. Also there are heaps of us FJ owners out there, that have Rhino Racks on our FJ's & are in a dizzy as to whether we should ditch them & go to the like of Front Runner, ARB etc.
with respect to "mark payne"'s comment the problem with Rhino Racks appears to be the mounting method using pop rivets through thin metal...
Hey mate, asked on a previous video. But just wondering if you have any additional contact information for the team that assisted in the installation of your rack. Cheers mate 👍🏼
The new Defender roof rack although strong comprises of over fifty separate pieces if you include the roof bar fittings, can any other manufacturers beat this ? The new Defender is of monocoque construction and much stiffer than the old skool separate chassis and body giving a heavier roof weight limit than the HiLux, Landcruiser etc
i hope these videos are being sent to car manufacturers. These cars were originally designed for mines and agriculture, the farm. I suspect if you want to cart all this stuff about overlanding, you'll need a Vdub van. For rock hopping put nothing on the roof. Give up a couple of luxuries
Thank you for a very informative review session. The one problem that I have I can not find a carry rating for an FJ Cruiser. I can only find their supplied roof rack rating.
A lot of people defending a company that was happy to sell them a product under misleading info...
Ronnie did you get the front runner as part of a Commerical agreement or did you just buy it yourself?
Rhino have had the offroad load reduction for some time. I had forgotten but was told about it 10 years ago when buying a awning . They recommended me have 3 brackets on an awning instead of 2 if going offroad.
Where are them chairs from Ronny ?
IKEA
Btw I agree with your points reg this roof rack and good that the manufacture has changed their way of specifiying the details more clearly. So good on you for that!
would of made any difference if the Rhino rack would been bolt down like this one (front Runner)?
yes racks are worth it - if you have a wagon, or if you have a ute and you have a patrion account in your name. utes roof hold less weight and wagon trunk hold less stuff . no brainer
Glad you gave back the boat before you put a rack on it. :) :)
Hey mate, ur comment re MUX 60kg... I have one on mine and I’m honestly still unsure here and can’t get to the bottom of it. Yes Isuzu say 60kg however rhino clearly state in my instruction book120kg when using backbone system.
The weakest link is the limiting factor. Backbone might be able to hold 120 (on or off road?), but on a 60kg roof it doesn't matter.
This is a good video - note how he also reduces the roof limit for offroad. Not sure if that's correct, but he definitely takes it into consideration.
th-cam.com/video/mLTJ6SpdUx4/w-d-xo.html
So here is something to ponder. If rhino rack was mounted the same as the front runner rack, would it carry the same? Rhino put up load rating to cater for 80% of customers who don't go off road.
My JLU Rubicon can off road load 80kg and on road 100kg with my rhino setup.
Rhino are trying to protect your roof and making instal easier. I guess no need to pull roof lining on rhino?
That's the reason (and appeal) of the Rhino - removing the headliner is a big install headache. I used to do a lot of roof rack installa when I worked in the marine industry - we REFUSED to sell or install any pop-riveted rack systems, period. I still feel that the old 'gutter clamp' systems are the best, followed by bolt through (definitely a pita to install!). RIP rain gutters, I miss having them on most new cars!
When 4x4 driving the weight is pulling up and down is the main problem, the mounting of the rhino rack was only really suitable for downward!
Really they just need to change the way they mount them I think!
Also side to side shock loading, ie falling into a rut.
Ignoring stability issues and not being an Engineer, it's my opinion that the way you have mounted your new rack, could potentially increases the Hilux"s roof load limit.(a pot rivet (small surface area) will easily rip through the thin skin of the vehicle's roof where as the strip of steal that you added (large surfaces area) won't.
it potentially does but at the same time, it's much safer to have the stress distributed over a larger area compared to a pop-rivet
Just so you know the 120 prado has a 100kg roof load but the 150 has come down and is only 80kg roof rating
Depends if you have the factory roof rails, 120 prado is 80kg with factory roof rails, 100kg without. I'm glad I found this info prior to going and buying a clamshell RTT.. @93kgs plus the platform already over the cars roof limit.
Is drilling holes in the roof for pop rivets or bolts voiding manufacturers warranties/safety ratings the only roof rack approved for the car is the one approved by the manufacturer. I assume that the roof rack manufacturer then manufactures a roof rack to a standard for each vehicle and get it certified to be road legal otherwise insurance won’t cover the car. But as stated above is your cars warranty/safety rating now void by fitting the device.
In NZ there has just been a clarification about this when fitting snorkels. Obviously attaching a roof rack by putting holes(weakening) the strongest part of your roof leads to the same issues
Recently, there have been questions raised in various quarters about the attachment of an air intake snorkel to an A-pillar requiring LVV certification.
LVVTA have discussed this issue with the Transport Agency and the Agency’s position of the fitment of snorkels to light vehicles is.
"Snorkels may be fitted to the A-Pillar of vehicles provided they are only fitted to the outer skin, the fixings are of an appropriate size and they are appropriately sealed and rust treated to not let water inside the A-pillar and prevent corrosion.
The Transport Agency still recommend fitting with adhesives rather than screws."
This means, if you meet the above, then LVV certification is not required.
"At least your not drilling in your roof" you are referring to the rivets on rhino. UMmm how are you putting the bolts through your roof?
Rhino offer a backbone system for those who want to go off road and its very much the same as front runner.
He was referencing the clamp on racks used on vehicles with rain gutters -
Hi Ronny so what would your opinion be if you had a internal roll cage and your rack was fitted to this, taking into account that the rack now is fitted to cage and not the vehicles roof..
Not really an option with airbags and that would cost a lot to do even without. Maybe for the rear inside a canopy I’ve done that before but it adds even more weight too.
Best option in my view is a rack that is light and uses the full limit of the roof rating and only mount what you can.
Mesh racks get my vote 👍
LOL summed it up well.
The only comparison to be made is if the front runner is installed with pop rivets ;). Willing to bet that the rhino rack will hold just as much if it was installed with bolts/backing plates/nuts. The problem is not the rack itself but the recommended way of installing on a car that does not provide easy fit for purpose mounting points. Yes, rhino rack should have done better to recommend a better installation method but any other brand rack would be as weak with the same pop rivet installation.
If you make the connection from the rack to the roof more secure, the point of failure will move to the rack itself, which RR obviously DON'T have much faith in.
Although some photos on their website were overloaded, I do have to comment on the example you used on their website with the photo of the rack and a heap of accessories. Believe the point of that image was to show the different accessories you can attach to the rack, not exactly what you can put on there. Plus there are vehicles that could carry all of that. So technically overloaded for some, not overloaded for others.
To some degree maybe, but given the load has to be spread, good luck spreading a gas bottle or spare wheel, then I think that the advertising is still crap.
An awning can't be spread and is in fact cantilevered off the side of the rack in all the cases I have seen.
Fact is that most vehicles can't carry most of this stuff which is the point that is being made.
@@oldbloke204 wasn’t denying that there weren’t any overloaded images being used. Either way Rhino’s rack can probably carry the same amount of weight as a front runner. You can carry more on any rack it’s just insurance won’t be too happy if you overload it and something happens - probably why rhino’s put this off-road rating. Other difference is how it’s mounted using rivets - which front runner also provides as an option which should have been mentioned as Rhino isn’t the only company using rivets. If anything a lot of companies should be called out...
@@francisclarke6904 I agree that this industry should have way more accountability than they do but the fact is that there are products that cost less that don't have this limitation applied, or so they say, and the facts were very hard to find, as previously stated.
By also giving it to off road content creators is also being a bit cagey if it can't carry what they imply imo.
The insurance thing is the big risk imo.
If something happens and the manufacturer wipes their hands of it what do you reckon insurance companies will do or what happens if someone is injured?
Another TH-camr went into all of this if you look for it.
Good on you for your honesty
I have a dual cab 79 and I can’t find the roof load limit anywhere . I’ve even contacted Toyota who never got back to me . Do you know what the limit is
don't quote me on this but I think it is 100kg less the rack weight BUT I'm not actually 100% sure. I'll find out more when I change mine
@@RonnyDahlPhotography ok cheers I’ll wait to find out
Honorable follow up on a issue that is very important in the booming expedition industry.
Nice one Ronny
The comment there about the mux and just to be clear rhino state this on their website....with the back bone system it can hold up 120kgs.
I believe Isuzu only provide the roof ratings with the roof rails which is 60kgs.
Surely rhino wouldn’t make a claim like that if it wasn’t true? Lawsuit waiting to happen right?
The manufacturer states the roof rating not the roof rack company
@@RonnyDahlPhotography 100% agree with you, so is that not false and misleading information from Rhino?
@@dan_4jj151 just cause the rack can hold x amount, doesnt mean the car maker has engineered the roof mounts ect to hold that amount of weight. Its not hard to comprehend mate. Quit reading bout the roof rack limits, and start reading the manufactuer ratings, and buy according to that.
@@krump743 I understand it completely trust me, Rhino are are saying the actual roof capacity is 120kgs. Nothing to do with the rack. They state the rack can hold a lot more.
Can you have a good time with the mrs in a roof top tent and continue with insurance?
Static load is about 3-400kg
@@rbrdly a static load would involve no movement. A "good time" would involve movement.
@@Quarry4x4 I'll leave the degree of vigour up to you haha
Ronny, you are wrong about the 70 series and the Prado. 70 series carries much more than you just mentioned. It is 150 kg for the 76 and the 79 and 200kg for the 78. I own a GRJ78 (Pioneer rack+rooftop tent=no issues at all). The good thing about the 70 series is the fact that you do not have to drill holes into your roof because the rack is attached to the gutters. Very solid. Prado/Land Cruiser J15 only carry 80kg.
If I said actual weights then I apologize for that I was merely just stating they could carry a lot more than the Hilux.
@G TO where did you find those 70 series ratings?
I miss rain gutters on (most) modern cars!!! What a great way to install roof systems, plus - no drips when it's raining and ya open the door :D
Gibralter Holdings video talks about 70 series having a higher roof weight capacity if you have the factory rack which looks like that bolts to the roof. Roof gutter fixings gives a lower carrying weight according to them. Look for their looong 70 series review video.
@@grandefromage4607 Yes exactly, the factory roof rack for the 78 and 76 is bolted directly through the roof where the roof cross bar are for maximum strength (and probably reinforced).
Anyone know the factory roof rating for a Fortuner? Can’t find it anywhere
Factory roof rating is you vehicle manufacturer specs and the only true one you can find. Don’t listen to the sales guy but instead ask the vehicle manufacturer for the roof limit.
Another good indication is to look at what the OEM racks are rated to for you vehicle I.e Toyota’s is 75 for my Hilux but then you have to take off the weight of the rack as well. What you are left with after this: rack ??kg minus roof load ??kg = the cargo load after the rack is fitted.
@@RonnyDahlPhotography thanks Ronny 👍👍👍
@@RonnyDahlPhotography I have read the specs and searched for the Fortuner roof load rating and I can’t find it anywhere.
I think the vehicle and accessories manufacturers all need to lift their game because it’s critical information to this market and the products.
Thanks for doing such a great job with the follow ups Ronny.
I am referring to all the load ratings as critical information.
In our case the load ratings could be one of the this that helps us decide what vehicle we are about to buy. Fortuner is high on our list.
Hi Mattyolo, the Toyota australia website lists the genuine Fortuner roof rack as having a 62kg ‘payload’ capacity.
I’m assuming the total roof rating is 75kg like on the hilux,
You should have got a Ford Ranger, roof rated at 80kg. Only 5kg for every Kg counts at this point.
Hi ronny dahl do you have a video how you remove the old tracks from rhino rack? Planning to remove mine as well, issue is too much wind noise even with wind fairing.
At what point are you holding Toyota accountable for producing a poor quality product? Oh wait because it is Toyota you won't do that.. but any other make you wouldn't hold back on dragging the Company through the dirt. Hey!!!
I guess you missed the point there mate, its the off-road rating that kills the Rhino product for me. If they kept the same rating on and off road and bolted them like everyone else this would not be an issue at all. 75kg is enough for most DC owners if you want a RRT then get a wagon or tow a trailer...
Sharee, its not Toyota that have two different ratings...one that is hidden in the fine print...you don't see Toyota pictures advertising that it can hold more than its rated capacity?? Wake up idiot.
@@jamesop22 My argument is, wouldn't it be better for the company producing a 4wd which clearly is intended for more than just an everyday drive and build a product able to carry a greater mass in the first place. The rhino rack is designed to hold 100kg but you lose out because Toyota is designed only to carry 75kg. Also very mature approach to call someone an idiot clearly you haven't much to argue or back yourself up with as you revert to calling someone names. Cheers to you!!
@@shareealidad2470 Sharee, I call it as I see it, the issue isn't the vehicle manufacturers load limit, this is an engineering specification, its about 3rd party companies false advertising and hiding it in the fine print. Because they know full well nobody would spend 1500 to hold a bag of shopping on the roof.
@@RonnyDahlPhotography Everyone else doesn't bolt them? How can you make that claim? I contacted Front Runner and they said they would rivet mine as per their fitting instructions.