+Zedfinite You know, being out in the open sea for too long can give you some hallucination. Just go out and ask some fisherman nowaday and you got difference kind of crazy stories already :))))
+Sand Shadow Actually after looking it up Jimson Weed is also known as Angles Trumpet which has been used/known to cause someone to forget and cause someone to hallucinate
+Anton K I feel that when they refer to Jimson's Weed, they're referring to the entire genus, not just the single species in North America. All members of the genus have the same hallucinatory effect, and there is a species native to Tunisia, which would have been very accessible to the Greek.
You might like a show that was on the history channel called "Clash of the Gods." In it they go over popular myths and the historical events that may have caused it. They have 2 episodes that go really deep into The Odyssey.
I think all fables and stories hide a truth in them that people often do not attempt to look for or consider. As language, slang and poetic meaning changes throughout the centuries, many of the old stories we have heard and thought of as entirely made up possibly hide very important truths and knowledge within them.
Is it possible that the telling of the Odyssey was a way for people to remember how to take care of themselves, when not every home had manuscripts or every town a healer? If you tell this tale to children, as they go through life they remember how Odysseus overcame his obstacles and therefore can overcome their own.
RustyRC83 Rc some stories could have had that purpose, even if it wasn't intentional. But it is generally thought that the Odyssey came about just as many other Greek stories did - as a way to entertain the crowds. During early Greek history, especially the Greek Dark Age (so somewhat before the Odyssey was written down), travelling poets (rhapsodes, something similar to bards) were really popular in Greece. Many (or all) of the stories they were telling basicall had the same structure and same fillers, which served as an easier way to remember the story, so you can retell it a bunch of times. These fillers and structure are visible in both the Illiad and the Odyssey and some other myths that were written down (but with the latter, mostly fillers are visible because they weren't always written in verse). Anyway, some other details of the stories often changed because the stories were long, and it was hard to remember everything without writing it down (which they didn't do), plus the same basic story was retold by more than one bard. That's why you have more than one version for basically every Greek myth, including the Odyssey (because 'Homer's Odyssey' is only one version, but the most well known one). And among the things that changed sometimes were the descriptions of plants, so I doubt the main purpose of the stories was what you said, but I definitely agree that it had a part. After all, many myths and stories in various folklores were more or less cautionary tales.
It's more than that. The Iliad and the Odyssey are like an enciclopedia: they contained all the knowledge of the ancient Greek civilization of circa 700/600BC, from plants (such as in this case), to society (like in the Odyssey, where almost every class of the society is described) to other more practical tasks as to how to build a raft (again in the Odyssey).
Eh, doubt it's that sophisticated really. But fun fact: Homer probably was only the first guy to write the story down, because these tales were usually memorised and told by bards and passed on verbally only. Which is evidenced by known traditions, and the fact that the tale is a lot more captivating told than read. There is a little bit of science behind it, but the gist is: It's nicer to listen to it, than to read it.
So, Odysseus and his pals went on a drug vacation, and The Odyssey turns out to be an encrypted map with all the addresses of recommended dealers? Wow. Never thought of that. Pretty cool stuff.
Tim Severin attempted to recreate the journey in an authentic boat from the era, and he identified numerous real features along the way which could have led to the legendary features in the story
Also, the famous pair of monsters that Odysseus encountered Scylla and Charybdis were propably natural phenomenons. Scylla was a rocky reef by the shore of Sicily, and Charybdis was a neighbouring maelstrom.
Love it! I study archeology, so at University this is considered to be basic knowledge, it's great to see, that so many people watch and like these videos. Hopefully this will make people like me getting less bullied in school, because greek mythology is definitely not boring or useless.
I read a book about early medicine in which the herb moly was translated as garlic. Garlic has a black root when subjected to a carmelization process (Google black garlic), it has a white or purple compound flower head (color depends on variety) and it was thought to be proof against magic and evil supernatural creatures. I wish I could remember which book it was. I will cite it if I remember or come across the book again.
Very interesting. This shows how myth, legend, stories and reality are conected at a certsin degree. I immediately remembered about the "snowdrop" from Stardust having similar "counter effect" to an ailment as stated here.
in the book of "Adventures in Human Being" Gavin Francis mentions about how Homeros describes battles at Iliad in a very specific way. So the book is about body parts and when Gavin is talking about collarbone he quotes from Iliad and mentions how Homeros knew nerves and stuff to be wrote in that specific way.
If you want to know more about the herbs given by Hermes and similar truths behind myths, I highly suggest you read “Science of the Magical” by Matt Kaplan. It’s very good and quite witty. It feels not like a textbook or a scientific report, but rather a series of stories, told by someone with a joyous fascination.
This makes perfect sense, and today reconstructing myths is all the rage. In India, there is such a diverse mythological background to everything we do, and it's origins are now coming to focus. Look up Devdutt Pattanaik and his books, on the Ramayan and Mahabharat, they are absolutely fascinating.
0:16 just like the Bible: Though some parts may be based on real events, the encounters with strange monsters, terrifying giants and powerful magicians ought to be considered as complete fiction.
With time, stories become myths, myths become legends. Most myths have a base in reality, but the older the story, the more "mythical" the telling becomes and the original events are harder to identify. We can still easily see that today in a nutshell with the "broken phone" exercise.
I'm relating this part of the Odyssey to the scene in the movie "O, brother where art thou?" (Which was actually based off of the Odyssey.) When one of the sirens at the river are feeding Everett poison.
I saw a documentary a while ago about how Scylla and Charybdis probably referred to a dangerous navigation area which Odysseus would have had to take between Troy and Ithaca.
I really like the idea of ancient cultures using myths to convey information. It would certainly make sense from an evolutionary perspective; our brains are built to recall stories, much more so than facts, and the major advantage humans had that allowed them to build complex societies was our ability to build upon previous knowledge by inter-generational transmission of information. Storytelling could have evolved as a way to easily convey pertinent information, such as which plants could cure which illnesses. Obviously this theory isn't really falsifiable, but it's still a nice thought.
Fascinating! A great example of how important knowledge was recorded and preserved in mythology by our remote - and remarkably smart - ancestors. More ancient science at Homer the Astronomer-1 and Homer-the-Astronomer-2
I would just like to say that if the Odyssey actually happend, or rather, has SOME basis in truth like how the Trojan War did, then it's likely that it was didn't LITERALLY take Odysseus (or his real life equivalent) 10 years to get home from Troy. In the Bronze Age, and even in Classical Greece, "X number of years" was often used to simply mean "a long time". I find it hard to believe that it would take an experienced seafarer that long, and have that much trouble getting home if he stuck to established trade routes. And further more, rather than actually monsters like the Cyclops, the Sirens, Scylla, and Charybdis, there are likely rational explanations for these events that were just embellished over time. Also, Homer was a poet, not a historian, so it's possible that he also sliced up the story by adding some of these things. Like the Trojan War, it entirely possible that there was a real Odysseus, or at least a real person who he was based off of, but his actual journey wasn't as fantastical as Homer put it.
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek. Title: Unconquerable Albania Author : Christ Anton Lepon Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
Yes those herbs were known to Greeks but Oddyseas voyage to Ithaca is a deeper meaning of our deeper self/soul back home... I have yet to find such analysis in English but in Greek the symbolisms taught in some schools and from some teachers who have a deeper.understaning of what was Odyssey about .
Kurukshetra war was fought between Pandavas and Kauravas but they made this into some kind of mythical fantasy.. People always loved to add spices to things to make it look more fascinating and, hey it actually sell
I think he merely speaks in a Canadian accent of some lesser-known type...When Canadians pronounce the "ou" and "ow" sounds, you can hear nearly direct echoes of Scotland and England (particularly northern England). British and Scottish ancestry had long dominated many sections of Canada, you see, and Canada took much longer to splinter from Great Britain than the United States did.
The sirens, an irresistible call... or just a metaphor? ♀ What is your "siren song" in everyday life? That thing that attracts you and scares you at the same time? Let's compare our experiences! #Odyssey #Sirens #Metaphors
Proponents of the Electric Universe theory, such as those of the Thunderbolts Project, also seek for scientific explanations in myths but specifically where a phenomenon may be better explained by electromagnetism or plasma than by gravity.
So Odysseus and his crew were high the whole time? Does this explain how they meet a Cyclops or listen to Sirens?
Whatever they're ingesting makes them waaaaay too creative in their storytelling.
+Zedfinite You know, being out in the open sea for too long can give you some hallucination. Just go out and ask some fisherman nowaday and you got difference kind of crazy stories already :))))
+Sand Shadow Actually after looking it up Jimson Weed is also known as Angles Trumpet which has been used/known to cause someone to forget and cause someone to hallucinate
+Anton K but greeks are seafarers and traders. there may be a loose evidence they might have heard of these herbs, by word of mouth from others.
+Anton K I feel that when they refer to Jimson's Weed, they're referring to the entire genus, not just the single species in North America. All members of the genus have the same hallucinatory effect, and there is a species native to Tunisia, which would have been very accessible to the Greek.
I've always heard the plant Hermes gives Odysseus was "Holy Moly" hence where we get the expression from
Matthew Laing It would be holy if given by the gods so technically it could be called Holy Moly.
I Randomly Post Everything I agree
Ohhhhh.... Now I know .
Thnx
I think that it is from holy guacamole, and holy moly is short for that. Maybe
Nah it comes from "Holy Moses" just a minced up "clean" version. Was a popular saying with old superheros.
Please can you do more episodes like this? Uncovering the truths in myths and legends?
You might like a show that was on the history channel called "Clash of the Gods." In it they go over popular myths and the historical events that may have caused it. They have 2 episodes that go really deep into The Odyssey.
asaavedra0327 Yeah, I saw the show :)
I love it and wish they'd make more!
"Myths are just truths we've forgotten."
I highly recommend you to read 'The hero with a thousand faces' by J. Campbell
Euhemerism - myths are distorted accounts of real historical events, history in disguise
I think all fables and stories hide a truth in them that people often do not attempt to look for or consider. As language, slang and poetic meaning changes throughout the centuries, many of the old stories we have heard and thought of as entirely made up possibly hide very important truths and knowledge within them.
I agree. Also, I love your username.
SnowLeopard84 fangirl lol yeah
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They used to be considered truth, but modern times translate things differently thus turning them into seemingly fiction
qht you just said sounded very deep and meaningful and barely understood any of it lol
I love the art in this! Fantastic.
Odyseeus is usually depicted with a beard
*+CybeargPlays* Reminds me a bit of _Another World_.
Hanrui Huang
It is Art ;)
It is free of interpretation
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Is it possible that the telling of the Odyssey was a way for people to remember how to take care of themselves, when not every home had manuscripts or every town a healer? If you tell this tale to children, as they go through life they remember how Odysseus overcame his obstacles and therefore can overcome their own.
RustyRC83 Rc some stories could have had that purpose, even if it wasn't intentional. But it is generally thought that the Odyssey came about just as many other Greek stories did - as a way to entertain the crowds. During early Greek history, especially the Greek Dark Age (so somewhat before the Odyssey was written down), travelling poets (rhapsodes, something similar to bards) were really popular in Greece. Many (or all) of the stories they were telling basicall had the same structure and same fillers, which served as an easier way to remember the story, so you can retell it a bunch of times. These fillers and structure are visible in both the Illiad and the Odyssey and some other myths that were written down (but with the latter, mostly fillers are visible because they weren't always written in verse). Anyway, some other details of the stories often changed because the stories were long, and it was hard to remember everything without writing it down (which they didn't do), plus the same basic story was retold by more than one bard. That's why you have more than one version for basically every Greek myth, including the Odyssey (because 'Homer's Odyssey' is only one version, but the most well known one). And among the things that changed sometimes were the descriptions of plants, so I doubt the main purpose of the stories was what you said, but I definitely agree that it had a part. After all, many myths and stories in various folklores were more or less cautionary tales.
It's more than that. The Iliad and the Odyssey are like an enciclopedia: they contained all the knowledge of the ancient Greek civilization of circa 700/600BC, from plants (such as in this case), to society (like in the Odyssey, where almost every class of the society is described) to other more practical tasks as to how to build a raft (again in the Odyssey).
I had the same thought!
Eh, doubt it's that sophisticated really. But fun fact: Homer probably was only the first guy to write the story down, because these tales were usually memorised and told by bards and passed on verbally only. Which is evidenced by known traditions, and the fact that the tale is a lot more captivating told than read. There is a little bit of science behind it, but the gist is: It's nicer to listen to it, than to read it.
Odysseus did Molly guys...
I didn't know your mother was named Molly. :p
ThisisNOTCONNECTED TOMYTH-cam Oh man. Anyone got some ice?
Does this mean I'm bad, because my name is Molly...
Moly*
It should mean that you were a gift from a gods, and have the power to stop poisonous witches.
When the lesson writer narrates, it always makes me feel better... a change, once in a while, is good
So, Odysseus and his pals went on a drug vacation, and The Odyssey turns out to be an encrypted map with all the addresses of recommended dealers? Wow. Never thought of that. Pretty cool stuff.
A year long vacation! They sure enjoyed themselves for the time, and without even realizing the time they spent. Yeah, totally.
yes
Locals knew of these herbs and was simply common knowledge, that a gifted writer would absolutely use it in a good story, such as this one.
Tim Severin attempted to recreate the journey in an authentic boat from the era, and he identified numerous real features along the way which could have led to the legendary features in the story
Also, the famous pair of monsters that Odysseus encountered Scylla and Charybdis were propably natural phenomenons. Scylla was a rocky reef by the shore of Sicily, and Charybdis was a neighbouring maelstrom.
Please do The Illiad!
I want more of this. Explain the whole book!
They was popping Molly back in Odyssey's time ?!?
Fig Newton AYYYE THEY KNEW HOW TO GET TUUUUUUUUUUURNT THOOOOO
they were feeling like rockstars
That's why it took them so much to get back home, the Bros were chasin the dragon
Doc Fig shook
Moly
"To good to be true". That pretty much sums up most of the Greek mythos
I just love the way you guys make everything so simple to understand.
Love it! I study archeology, so at University this is considered to be basic knowledge, it's great to see, that so many people watch and like these videos. Hopefully this will make people like me getting less bullied in school, because greek mythology is definitely not boring or useless.
I read a book about early medicine in which the herb moly was translated as garlic. Garlic has a black root when subjected to a carmelization process (Google black garlic), it has a white or purple compound flower head (color depends on variety) and it was thought to be proof against magic and evil supernatural creatures. I wish I could remember which book it was. I will cite it if I remember or come across the book again.
Did you remember
Waiting for you to remember
Very interesting. This shows how myth, legend, stories and reality are conected at a certsin degree. I immediately remembered about the "snowdrop" from Stardust having similar "counter effect" to an ailment as stated here.
Odysseus aka Man of Many Devices. Or should I say "Nobody"...
+Dayz 3O6 thats not what πολυμηχανος means...but a man of many tricks.
***** I've read the Iliad and that is one of his title. The other being "King of Ithaka" and "Odysseus the cunning".
no you misunderstood me. i mean "Man of Many Devices" in greek is πολυμηχανος,which really means a man of many tricks and not of many devices.
***** I think the book mistranslated it.
Dayz 3O6 could be
Oh My God I've been binge watching all of these and now its the end I NEED MORE GUYS
in the book of "Adventures in Human Being" Gavin Francis mentions about how Homeros describes battles at Iliad in a very specific way. So the book is about body parts and when Gavin is talking about collarbone he quotes from Iliad and mentions how Homeros knew nerves and stuff to be wrote in that specific way.
If you want to know more about the herbs given by Hermes and similar truths behind myths, I highly suggest you read “Science of the Magical” by Matt Kaplan. It’s very good and quite witty. It feels not like a textbook or a scientific report, but rather a series of stories, told by someone with a joyous fascination.
This makes perfect sense, and today reconstructing myths is all the rage. In India, there is such a diverse mythological background to everything we do, and it's origins are now coming to focus. Look up Devdutt Pattanaik and his books, on the Ramayan and Mahabharat, they are absolutely fascinating.
0:16 just like the Bible: Though some parts may be based on real events, the encounters with strange monsters, terrifying giants and powerful magicians ought to be considered as complete fiction.
1:00 Some corrections. First, the spell is in the food, and second, it was HOGS and PIGS, not just animals.
this should be a series for other fictional stories it would be awesome
With time, stories become myths, myths become legends.
Most myths have a base in reality, but the older the story, the more "mythical" the telling becomes and the original events are harder to identify.
We can still easily see that today in a nutshell with the "broken phone" exercise.
Please do more scientific interpretations of myths.
Please ! Please ! Please make more videos like this, on other epic poems or myths.
Wow it makes those ancient myths 10x more magical.
This story gives an entirely new meaning to "popping molly".
Need more episodes and examples on the science behind myths, please!
0:23 I absolutely *LOVE* the fact that you say the word considered
I'm relating this part of the Odyssey to the scene in the movie "O, brother where art thou?" (Which was actually based off of the Odyssey.) When one of the sirens at the river are feeding Everett poison.
I saw a documentary a while ago about how Scylla and Charybdis probably referred to a dangerous navigation area which Odysseus would have had to take between Troy and Ithaca.
Ahhh! Reminded me of my teacher back when I was 13.
MrMac5150 Lol... I'm way passed 15.
I sent a message to my English teacher after watching this video.
Very nice lesson...I learn more from here than in school I was attending..
Nolan Hype Train starts here!!! Woo
The animation & art here is amazing!
hermis: and i call this root (HOLY MOLY)
ody:haah😯😯😯
hermis: HAHAHAHAHA🤣🤣🤣
WOULDNT YOU LIKE A TASTE OF THE POWER
@@MaryamAl-Hakeem-d9qWOULDNT YOU LIKE TO USE MORE THAN WORDS
@@Tanvibee1 DEEP IN THE NIGHT THE FIGHT LASTS FOR HOURS
@@MaryamAl-Hakeem-d9q YOU CAN BE HURT OR YOU CAN BEAT HER
@@Tanvibee1 WOULDNT YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THE MAGIC ✨
Too quiet audio, you should make it a bit louder generally
I know this is 3 years in the future but you are so right !
@@malaanandakumar2906 I know this is 2 months in the future but you are also right.
@@jacobwiessner7650 I know this is 4 days in the future, but I don't agree 😂
jacob wiessner I know this is 4 months in the future but you are also right!
@@curiousbench I know this is one day in the future but you are right too!
an absolutely fantastic video
Great Explanation
I really like the idea of ancient cultures using myths to convey information. It would certainly make sense from an evolutionary perspective; our brains are built to recall stories, much more so than facts, and the major advantage humans had that allowed them to build complex societies was our ability to build upon previous knowledge by inter-generational transmission of information. Storytelling could have evolved as a way to easily convey pertinent information, such as which plants could cure which illnesses. Obviously this theory isn't really falsifiable, but it's still a nice thought.
That is true. Ancient cultures knew many things that got lost to us due to the dark middle ages, and we are just researching them now.
So we're all here after the Christopher Nolan movie announcement right?
This is amazingly eye-opening. Thank you.
You know its good content when they pronounce everything right ✅
when I woke up today I didn't expect to become absolutely shooketh
Fascinating! A great example of how important knowledge was recorded and preserved in mythology by our remote - and remarkably smart - ancestors.
More ancient science at Homer the Astronomer-1 and Homer-the-Astronomer-2
Christopher Nolan taking notes, so that it can be scientifically accurate and to adhere no VFX policy
Awesome!!!
I really appreciate your this humble effort!!
It helped us very much dude
It's one of those books I probably need to read like "The Divine Comedy" and "Finnegan's Wake".
awesome! never even thought of it this way
This was great...
Looking forward to see Ondine's curse art
I would just like to say that if the Odyssey actually happend, or rather, has SOME basis in truth like how the Trojan War did, then it's likely that it was didn't LITERALLY take Odysseus (or his real life equivalent) 10 years to get home from Troy. In the Bronze Age, and even in Classical Greece, "X number of years" was often used to simply mean "a long time". I find it hard to believe that it would take an experienced seafarer that long, and have that much trouble getting home if he stuck to established trade routes. And further more, rather than actually monsters like the Cyclops, the Sirens, Scylla, and Charybdis, there are likely rational explanations for these events that were just embellished over time. Also, Homer was a poet, not a historian, so it's possible that he also sliced up the story by adding some of these things. Like the Trojan War, it entirely possible that there was a real Odysseus, or at least a real person who he was based off of, but his actual journey wasn't as fantastical as Homer put it.
Great video
What a wonderful animation 😍
it's fascinating how people can dislike Ted videos specially this kind....
More myths! Please
Do one for Illiad!
I love your vids because I'm leaning so much and its fun to learn because of the little cartoon
So funny, walking by the beach I found this beautiful plant and decided to bring it home. It was Jimson Wed.
Odysseus wasn’t looking for Molly, but I’ll bet he’s glad he found her.
Awesome videos man👍🏻
+Marcos Zarate Awesome epics, Homer.
Very Cool. And great Artwork.
Great lesson woven into this story. Ironic that ecstasy is tag named " molly" as well. LOL
Fascinating!
Amazing illustrated animaltion
An excellent connection of the ancient masterpiece with contemporary science.
Thank you so much
The works of the great poet, Homer, are filled with words that not only survive in Albanian, but continue to be used. From Homer you can get not only words, but also phrases that possess all the signs of a typical Albanian expression. If someone were to interpret Homer from the Albanian language perspective, much light would be shed on the works of that famous poet. Between Homeric and Albanian sentences there is a striking resemblance in expression, phraseology and sentence structure. A study of this nature would help interpret Homer, since the Albanian language is older than that of Greece (Science Magazine 2023), much can be learned about the influence of this [Albanian] on Homeric and later Greek.
Title: Unconquerable Albania
Author : Christ Anton Lepon
Publisher: Chicago, Albanian Liberation Committee, 1944
Good timing
Yes those herbs were known to Greeks but Oddyseas voyage to Ithaca is a deeper meaning of our deeper self/soul back home... I have yet to find such analysis in English but in Greek the symbolisms taught in some schools and from some teachers who have a deeper.understaning of what was Odyssey about .
This is amazing
Can you guys upload more riddles? I love trying to figure them out and telling them to my friends
0:27 Have you seen the Odysseus mission news?
"Wait! I'm a mage, i have like, 2 hit points? "
"Well you better turn them back before i bring that down to 0."
Odysseus also had a run in with some pygmies on a small island that sounds a lot like the pygmies of North Sentinel Island.
The voice volume is much lower than other videos so I tune up mine then the outro music became too loud.
Circe is real all right...
She's my bio teacher
She doesn't trick me or such...
But she has great knowledge on plants, their chemicals and effects
"Holy Moly!" Yes, that's where the saying comes from!
Kurukshetra war was fought between Pandavas and Kauravas but they made this into some kind of mythical fantasy..
People always loved to add spices to things to make it look more fascinating and, hey it actually sell
Wow I've heard of the odessey but got interested in it when I saw it on a mission impossible movie
It is a good story to help my son with his project.
As a Pharmacist i really appreciate the history of Pharmacognosy
Is there anyone besides me who enter in a single video and cant just stop it !
This blew my mind
Fascinating.
Fake accent? Working on it...
Just sounds kinda like he can’t decide what accent to do.
I think he merely speaks in a Canadian accent of some lesser-known type...When Canadians pronounce the "ou" and "ow" sounds, you can hear nearly direct echoes of Scotland and England (particularly northern England). British and Scottish ancestry had long dominated many sections of Canada, you see, and Canada took much longer to splinter from Great Britain than the United States did.
Haha. I'm a dual national. Born in the USA but moved to England long ago. My accent is a total mess.
@Zakary Yuen So who is he?
Thanks, Zakary Yuen
Wow awesome tidbit 👌
Much better voiceover to the video
anyone watching in 2019 7th of apr ? and i find these fun to watch.
This is why i like stories
The sirens, an irresistible call... or just a metaphor? ♀ What is your "siren song" in everyday life? That thing that attracts you and scares you at the same time? Let's compare our experiences! #Odyssey #Sirens #Metaphors
Moly is snowdrop! I had white capsicum flowers growing in my pot which I thought how Moly would have 'looked'. Pretty close. :)
HOLY SHIT! A DIFFERENT NARRATOR FOR ONCE?!
IS IT MY BIRTHDAY?!
Proponents of the Electric Universe theory, such as those of the Thunderbolts Project, also seek for scientific explanations in myths but specifically where a phenomenon may be better explained by electromagnetism or plasma than by gravity.