This is a refreshing channel. Despite my position against SDA doctrine, I love my SDA family and friends and believe them to be saved if they hold to the Gospel
Who made you and most evangelical Sunday keepers judge by making such an absurd statement on who's saved are not? Personally, I could care less what you or anyone thinks!
I personally left the SDA as people like that (dishonest and liars) who are ashamed of what they are as Adventists and their failures to recognize that their theology is not Christian, they try to deceive others with their Christian words when it suits them. I spoke with several Hispanic pastors and managers at the conference, they agreed with me but they also wanted to defend what is unbiblical and extrabiblical; I also told them that the Sabbath school are Adventists and the midday service are Christian (they are deceiving Adventists and Christians; saved by works in Sabbath school and saved by grace in the midday service.
For the past ten years, more and more Adventists are distancing themselves from traditional Adventism. They no longer require anyone to believe Ellen White is a prophetess and believe the last day scenario of the church being the sole target as the remnant. At least that is what I am hearing from all the Adventists I speak to. The SDA website has been cleared of a lot of their traditional thinking. I think that is good as long as they keep moving towards truth!
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 that is really scary, they are trying to delete and edit their error but just for other Christian to see that they are not a cult. But they can’t change their fundamental beliefs like Saturday like the seal of God, 1844 investigations Judgement, their health messages… they’re not an honest church. They use the name of God to deceive the body of Christ to false teachings.
I became an SDA earlier this year and am so happy. There is a shaking going on and many are leaving the faith. It is to be expected. Satan is very busy now attacking God’s people and putting out lies and misleading people. You only have to look at the persecution online now. Hopefully those that have left wake up especially when Sunday law comes in. But if they don't it's their choice. Our greatest enemies will be ex Adventists. Very sad. I pray people wake up. 🙏🙋♀️🦘
@@arthurandteresabeem7142moving toward truth? What? The World wide Church of God leadership denounced Herbert Armstrong and his heretical teaching. They ordered almost the entire first printing of the book Cultic Doctrine by ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff. Cotto has not denounced his pope Ellen or her blasphemous heresies. The compromises you are talking about means they aren’t Adventists
I don't understand how people that have the truth, and have seen the truth through the lenses of history can leave it for a lie. If you're butt hurt over the way people or the church treated you, and left, you were not there for the right reason which is Christ and the truth. Personally, I believe people who leave the SDA church want a gospel that is easy and comfortable for them not having to take any responsibility for their own sin. This is coming from an ex-Baptist, who has been where many of you chastising SDAs has come from.
I'm sure there are Baptists that think you left the truth by becoming Adventist. For various reasons, we all interpret scripture through a slightly different lens. Most of those who leave Adventism (or other denominations) do so because they believe the doctrine to be erroneous and they are moving towards something more truthful. I'm sure Christ had no intention of us playing theological musical chairs. Christ wants us united in one body, one spirit, truth.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 The Adventist believe Christ left His Church He instituted 2,000 years ago and became a great church hopper like none other in the history of mankind.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 People can't be unified in Christ without the fullness of truth, that is a lie of the devil stating that unification is more important than truth. No, my friend, we can be brothers and sisters in Christ but without the truth, true unification is impossible. The Bible says there will come a day when those who kill you will think they are doing service for God. This why we are told that the truth is like a two-edged sword because it brings division between the goats and the sheep.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 It's also the reason Jesus said he did not come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword, the truth of God's word divides even to bone and marrow.
I'm not certain Christ would be so kind with Cotto and his friend. The SDA has had 170+ years to learn the bible, and they don't seem to be able to come to the knowledge of the truth. While that could possibly be overlooked, the deliberate slander of Billions of Christians throughout history as, "Pagan Worshipers" and "Sun Worshipers" by the Adventist Church and their affiliates cannot be ignored. I often see them use the same tactics against the Pope that the Sabbath keepers used against Christ and the Apostles. Moreover, they practice the same things as the Apostles and all the bishops condemned the Pharisees for in Acts 15 & 16, namely using or rather abusing, Christ's name and person to convert Christians to Moses. One only has to see them call the Christ of Christianity "Satan" to understand how deeply hate and evil is rooted in their religion. Cotto and Thomas fool you, they know better, and, in their hearts, they don't care. They've been shown the truth over and over by Myles, of Answering Adventism, myself and countless millions of others who have left the Adventist Church, through the years. *In today's world the truth is literally at their fingertips on the keyboard, but they refuse to look or listen.* The volume of condemnation for those who Judaize the Gentiles who are coming to Christ is page after page in the New Testament. Moreover, I do not find in scripture or in Catholic Teaching that the heretics are saved. It has always been taught that heretics and those "preaching heresy will not inherit the kingdom of God". And, to tell them otherwise, only justifies their heresy n their own mind and weakens the teaching authority of the Church. . While it appears to be nice on one side, it does a grave injustice to them and to the listener. Lastly, I am reminded of the sacred words of the Apostle Paul concerning the Judaizers: in the book of Titus: TITUS 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as HE hath been taught, that HE may be able by *sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.* 10 For there are many UNRULY and VAIN talkers and DECEIVERS, specially they of the circumcision: (the Judaizers) 11 *WHOSE MOUTHS MUST BE STOPPED, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not,* for filthy lucre's sake…." 13 *This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, that they may be sound in the faith;* 14 Not giving heed to *Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.* 15 *Unto the pure all things are pure:* but unto them *that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.* 16 They profess that they know God; *but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.*
This series is called "Adventist Talk." We are trying to open up dialogue with Adventists. There is so much misunderstanding and fear between so many Christians, that this show is simply to show Adventists that we can talk respectfully. Catholics have a very different system and so we believe that when you are baptized you enter the Kingdom of Heaven. You can walk of out it if you wish. If Adventist apologists actually understand they are deceiving others, of course that is leaving the kingdom. I can't read Edwin and Jason's heart so I must extend to them the grace of not intentionally deceiving anyone. I believe that God can use respectful and calm conversation for His glory and to bring people to the truth as well as passionate and contentious debate. He can use both ways. I absolutely LOVE Myles and support his ministry. I spoke to him about having Advent Defense League on and respect his opinions. Let us pray for each other and live the truth in both word and action. Thank you for taking the time to comment and God bless you.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Thank you for your reply/ I can only judge Cotto , Jason, the ADL by their works. And it isn't good. Myles will tell you the same thing. I have found them to be completely dishonest and willfully blind. It's not like they haven't been told and warned a thousand times. They will surely only use your graciousness to deceive more Catholics.. The Apostle Paul's admonition and commandment to the *the church of Rome* is as follows Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple." In Phil 3:18, the Apostle Paul was specifically speaking about the Judaizers as the Adventists. Jesus Christ is only a name used and abused by the Adventist's *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . *The Adventist's have simply *sorely abused and misused Christ's name to teach Sabbath keeping, The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers. Phil **3:18** *"For many walk, of whom I have TOLD YOU OFTEN, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:"*
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Thank you for your reply. I don’t believe there is any real interests on their part. They are inherently very dishonest people. The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.* 18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple." In Phil 3:18, the Apostle Paul was specifically speaking about the Judaizers as the Adventists and the Armstrongites. Jesus Christ is only a name abused by the Adventist's and the Armstrongites *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . *The Adventist's and Armstrongites have simply *sorely abused and misused Christ's name to teach Sabbath keeping, something Christ nor the Apostles never taught!* The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers.
This presents a very interesting question for all Adventists. Which Church do you prefer to be a member of? *Would you choose the Church Christ established while on earth,* Eph. 2:20, "built upon the Apostles and the Prophets" and vowed to remain with "even unto the end of the world" (Mt. 28)) or the one Ellen G. White established while on earth and is dead? The Adventist Church teaches that the Prophet Daniel is repeatedly over and over again, *condemning Christ and the Church He established while on earth* and vowed to remain with *"Even unto the end of the World"* while at the same time, *condoning the worship of God every Sunday, TWICE on Sunday, eating RED meat daily and drinking wine!*
I thought that you guys did a good job....but, she kept asking about the better promises of the new covenant. My understanding was that the old covenant meaning of being under the law, meant being under the condemnation of death. Keep in mind that these we just rituals that could not save us until the true Sacrifice was made by Christ. So...the better promises, same covenant, its just that we have a victorious savior now in Christ so we now have true access to Salvation. I think that clears that question up that she had.
What I heard from them is really focused on the "Life" of Christ, in us, and through us is what keeps the Sabbath, keeps the commandments, causes us to repent. I feel like, as a former SDA, who is now Catholic, they are sooo close to understanding the truth of Jesus. It's true, The "Life" of Christ is something given to us, a gift that makes us righteous. But, Jesus told us how to obtain that "Life", in John 6. Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh and drink My blood, you have no life in you. That "Life" ADL speaks of is found in the holy Eucharist. When we partake in His flesh and blood, it brings us closer to Him, allows Him to continually change and mold our hearts, and gives us everlasting life. I wouldn't say I'm bitter towards the SDA religion, because i am a former SDA. ADL has also accused me of being rude. However, I'm not trying to be rude, and I'm not bitter. I actually feel a sense of urgency to speak truth, from the Bible, hoping that maybe one person will see
@@chucksmith4624 it's funny how the SDA religion is rude to Catholicism by calling them the Whore of Babylon. But they say people are rude for trying to speak truth with zeal 😅
Why would some X-Advenist and Adventis be so critical of the church? 1) the church is lukewarm, so one has to just read Revelation chapter 3. Laodicea's works are plainly seen: much pride, works but worse if all blind and full of their own righteousness. 2) The foundations of the church have been changed. One only has to go back in history and accept that when church leaders rejected the message of 1888 they also rejected Jesus whom they left outside the door. Now it was men leading the church instead of Christ.
The church 28 fundamental beliefs were changed officially in 1931, specifically fundamental belief #2. Now if we look back on the 27 fundamental beliefs of 1914, while sister Ellen G White was still alive we would notice the difference. Now, if we look at more recent history of 1980, General Conference meeting, the church decided to fully accept the doctrine of the Trinity, under the opinion of progressive light which is not only a contradiction to the testimony of sister White but a fulfillment of the writings of sister White ( Selected Messages vol. 1; " The Alpha and Omega of Apostasy"). For those who search the Adventist history, the writings of the pioneers, what will be obvious is the fulfillment of that which has already been prophesied.
Adventism, as Elder Cotto stated, is not a creedal movement and doctrine can develop. So joining mainstream Christianity by accepting the Trinity doctrine was a wonderful thing. We want to follow Christ, as as we get nearer and nearer to Him, we get nearer and nearer to each other spiritually and doctrinally.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142how can we get closer to the Father and Jesus if the Trinity doctrine considers the relationship between the Father and the Son as a metaphor? This denies that the Father is truly a Father; first in heaven (Heb. 1) and then again on earth. I consider this to be the spirit of antichrist ( John 2).
@@arthurandteresabeem7142I would agree in some aspects, however SDA still upholds that Ellen G White is a prophet and that they have 100% of the truth due to her. EGW contradicts scripture which makes her a false prophet and the organization upholds a false gospel as well. This is why the church is a false church. I’m not saying that no SDA is saved, but those who are, are saved DESPITE what the SDA church actually teaches.
I feel like you didn't press them hard enough, I understand the need to be charitable but you allowed them to use Christian language but get away with Adventist unique doctrines that are not Christian. For example, instead of saying is it a requirement to believe in the writings of Ellen White to be an Adventist, you could ask if one can renounce Ellen White and believe she is a false prophetess and still be an Adventist. What's the difference? If they say yes, then adventism is not built on Ellen White and should be a Christian denomination but they can't because that goes against the 28 fundamental beliefs, so they are forced to say no. In that case, it is beyond doubt that it is built upon Ellen White and not Jesus as it is claimed because with other Christians, you can deny the church founder, you can even argue against the church on certain beliefs but you remain part of them as long as the core beliefs about Christ and salvation are intact. Last point, it will be great to look at protestantism the way the original protestants do. It is incorrect to classify pentecostalism which protestants condemn as heretical with their toungue speaking etc. Some don't even hold on to traditional protestant beliefs but will use the name. So let's not call anything that isn't orthodox or catholic, protestant. No, it is not. Anglicanism, Baptists, Presbyterian, Methodism etc those are identified as protestants. SDA, pentecostalism, church of Christ, those are sects of protestantism but are not protestant in the same way Christianity is a Jewish sect but it is not Judaism. We need to correct that because we dilute the word protestantism when we lump everyone together.
We weren't having a conversation to correct them but to discuss their views. I was genuinely interested if Adventists today believe differently than they did when Arthur and I were growing up. Even if the SDA doctrines have not changed, evidently one doesn't have to believe them to be Adventist. That alone will completely cause the denomination to dissipate.
Thank you for this wonderful dialogue. I am a third generation Adventist and love the jargon if its in the Bible its for me, if its not in the Bible it's not for me. Our prayer should be to invite and let the Holy Spirit be our Divine teacher. Love you all
What a total contradiction from what the SDA really teach. What about the Investigative Judgement? This is deceptive, different from what is in the 28 Fundamental beliefs.
I just called the SDA GC headquarters yesterday to ask them officially if people who are baptized do not have to sign a certificate for the 28 Fundamental Beliefs and if it is true that Adventists don't have to believe but 13 of them. Which 13? They said they would contact me and answer these questions. I'll let you know what they say.
So disgusting that you declare that the Adventist Defense League heretics are your brothers in Christ. Find a Catholic priest and confess your sins and call him your daddy.
What does it mean to leave Jesus outside the door? I personally believe it is to have your own righteousness: many works you may believe save you, therefore your salvation does not come by faith, which leads you to pride and a lack of humility, blindness and perhaps worse of all, your own type of love. The Advenstist church was entrusted with the truths of God's word but now that very truth has become a burden placed upon its people and no different than the burdens placed upon the Jewish nation, in the times of Christ by the doctor of the law
This is a refreshing channel. Despite my position against SDA doctrine, I love my SDA family and friends and believe them to be saved if they hold to the Gospel
Who made you and most evangelical Sunday keepers judge by making such an absurd statement on who's saved are not? Personally, I could care less
what you or anyone thinks!
@@michaelreyes8182 if you cared less, why would you even reply to my statement? 😂
Apparently you don’t know the gospel. Adventists are anti Christ
Adventists have a perverted gospel - the three angels message. Your friends and family are cursed by God.
Ur comment proves ADVENTISM R MODERN DAY PHARISEES WHO HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO THE LAW OF CONDEMNATION 2ND CORINTHIANS 3,6 7 14@@michaelreyes8182
I personally left the SDA as people like that (dishonest and liars) who are ashamed of what they are as Adventists and their failures to recognize that their theology is not Christian, they try to deceive others with their Christian words when it suits them. I spoke with several Hispanic pastors and managers at the conference, they agreed with me but they also wanted to defend what is unbiblical and extrabiblical; I also told them that the Sabbath school are Adventists and the midday service are Christian (they are deceiving Adventists and Christians; saved by works in Sabbath school and saved by grace in the midday service.
For the past ten years, more and more Adventists are distancing themselves from traditional Adventism. They no longer require anyone to believe Ellen White is a prophetess and believe the last day scenario of the church being the sole target as the remnant.
At least that is what I am hearing from all the Adventists I speak to. The SDA website has been cleared of a lot of their traditional thinking. I think that is good as long as they keep moving towards truth!
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 that is really scary, they are trying to delete and edit their error but just for other Christian to see that they are not a cult. But they can’t change their fundamental beliefs like Saturday like the seal of God, 1844 investigations Judgement, their health messages… they’re not an honest church.
They use the name of God to deceive the body of Christ to false teachings.
I became an SDA earlier this year and am so happy. There is a shaking going on and many are leaving the faith. It is to be expected. Satan is very busy now attacking God’s people and putting out lies and misleading people. You only have to look at the persecution online now. Hopefully those that have left wake up especially when Sunday law comes in. But if they don't it's their choice.
Our greatest enemies will be ex Adventists. Very sad. I pray people wake up. 🙏🙋♀️🦘
@@arthurandteresabeem7142moving toward truth? What? The World wide Church of God leadership denounced Herbert Armstrong and his heretical teaching. They ordered almost the entire first printing of the book Cultic Doctrine by ex Adventist pastor Dale Ratzlaff. Cotto has not denounced his pope Ellen or her blasphemous heresies. The compromises you are talking about means they aren’t Adventists
@@CordovaJ09 smart move.
That’s because former/ex Adventists know exactly how wicked the movement and its doctrines are.
You are an example of one of the sects being talked about in this video
@@edafematthew8406so do you
@@edafematthew8406 what?
What sect?
Thanks for the thoughtful details 😵💫
@@shlays Seventh-Day Adventists, Officially Organized 1863 C.E. Unofficially, Early 1840's
I don't understand how people that have the truth, and have seen the truth through the lenses of history can leave it for a lie. If you're butt hurt over the way people or the church treated you, and left, you were not there for the right reason which is Christ and the truth. Personally, I believe people who leave the SDA church want a gospel that is easy and comfortable for them not having to take any responsibility for their own sin. This is coming from an ex-Baptist, who has been where many of you chastising SDAs has come from.
I'm sure there are Baptists that think you left the truth by becoming Adventist. For various reasons, we all interpret scripture through a slightly different lens. Most of those who leave Adventism (or other denominations) do so because they believe the doctrine to be erroneous and they are moving towards something more truthful.
I'm sure Christ had no intention of us playing theological musical chairs. Christ wants us united in one body, one spirit, truth.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 The Adventist believe Christ left His Church He instituted 2,000 years ago and became a great church hopper like none other in the history of mankind.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 People can't be unified in Christ without the fullness of truth, that is a lie of the devil stating that unification is more important than truth.
No, my friend, we can be brothers and sisters in Christ but without the truth, true unification is impossible. The Bible says there will come a day when those who kill you will think they are doing service for God.
This why we are told that the truth is like a two-edged sword because it brings division between the goats and the sheep.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 It's also the reason Jesus said he did not come to bring peace to the earth, but a sword, the truth of God's word divides even to bone and marrow.
I'm not certain Christ would be so kind with Cotto and his friend. The SDA has had 170+ years to learn the bible, and they don't seem to be able to come to the knowledge of the truth. While that could possibly be overlooked, the deliberate slander of Billions of Christians throughout history as, "Pagan Worshipers" and "Sun Worshipers" by the Adventist Church and their affiliates cannot be ignored. I often see them use the same tactics against the Pope that the Sabbath keepers used against Christ and the Apostles. Moreover, they practice the same things as the Apostles and all the bishops condemned the Pharisees for in Acts 15 & 16, namely using or rather abusing, Christ's name and person to convert Christians to Moses. One only has to see them call the Christ of Christianity "Satan" to understand how deeply hate and evil is rooted in their religion.
Cotto and Thomas fool you, they know better, and, in their hearts, they don't care. They've been shown the truth over and over by Myles, of Answering Adventism, myself and countless millions of others who have left the Adventist Church, through the years. *In today's world the truth is literally at their fingertips on the keyboard, but they refuse to look or listen.* The volume of condemnation for those who Judaize the Gentiles who are coming to Christ is page after page in the New Testament.
Moreover, I do not find in scripture or in Catholic Teaching that the heretics are saved. It has always been taught that heretics and those "preaching heresy will not inherit the kingdom of God". And, to tell them otherwise, only justifies their heresy n their own mind and weakens the teaching authority of the Church. . While it appears to be nice on one side, it does a grave injustice to them and to the listener.
Lastly, I am reminded of the sacred words of the Apostle Paul concerning the Judaizers: in the book of Titus:
TITUS 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as HE hath been taught, that HE may be able by *sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.*
10 For there are many UNRULY and VAIN talkers and DECEIVERS, specially they of the circumcision: (the Judaizers)
11 *WHOSE MOUTHS MUST BE STOPPED, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not,* for filthy lucre's sake…."
13 *This witness is true. Wherefore REBUKE THEM SHARPLY, that they may be sound in the faith;*
14 Not giving heed to *Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.*
15 *Unto the pure all things are pure:* but unto them *that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.*
16 They profess that they know God; *but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.*
This series is called "Adventist Talk." We are trying to open up dialogue with Adventists. There is so much misunderstanding and fear between so many Christians, that this show is simply to show Adventists that we can talk respectfully.
Catholics have a very different system and so we believe that when you are baptized you enter the Kingdom of Heaven. You can walk of out it if you wish. If Adventist apologists actually understand they are deceiving others, of course that is leaving the kingdom. I can't read Edwin and Jason's heart so I must extend to them the grace of not intentionally deceiving anyone.
I believe that God can use respectful and calm conversation for His glory and to bring people to the truth as well as passionate and contentious debate. He can use both ways. I absolutely LOVE Myles and support his ministry. I spoke to him about having Advent Defense League on and respect his opinions.
Let us pray for each other and live the truth in both word and action. Thank you for taking the time to comment and God bless you.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Thank you for your reply/ I can only judge Cotto , Jason, the ADL by their works. And it isn't good. Myles will tell you the same thing. I have found them to be completely dishonest and willfully blind. It's not like they haven't been told and warned a thousand times. They will surely only use your graciousness to deceive more Catholics.. The Apostle Paul's admonition and commandment to the *the church of Rome* is as follows Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.*
18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple."
In Phil 3:18, the Apostle Paul was specifically speaking about the Judaizers as the Adventists.
Jesus Christ is only a name used and abused by the Adventist's *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . *The Adventist's have simply *sorely abused and misused Christ's name to teach Sabbath keeping, The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers. Phil **3:18** *"For many walk, of whom I have TOLD YOU OFTEN, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ:"*
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Thank you for your reply. I don’t believe there is any real interests on their part. They are inherently very dishonest people.
The Apostle Paul's Admonition and commandment to the *Members of the church of Rome* Romans 16:17 Now, I beseech you, brethren, *mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.*
18 *For they that are such serve NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;* and by GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES deceive the hearts of the simple."
In Phil 3:18, the Apostle Paul was specifically speaking about the Judaizers as the Adventists and the Armstrongites.
Jesus Christ is only a name abused by the Adventist's and the Armstrongites *to teach Moses* (Acts 15:-16) . *The Adventist's and Armstrongites have simply *sorely abused and misused Christ's name to teach Sabbath keeping, something Christ nor the Apostles never taught!* The Apostle Paul condemns the Judaziers.
This presents a very interesting question for all Adventists. Which Church do you prefer to be a member of? *Would you choose the Church Christ established while on earth,* Eph. 2:20, "built upon the Apostles and the Prophets" and vowed to remain with "even unto the end of the world" (Mt. 28)) or the one Ellen G. White established while on earth and is dead?
The Adventist Church teaches that the Prophet Daniel is repeatedly over and over again, *condemning Christ and the Church He established while on earth* and vowed to remain with *"Even unto the end of the World"* while at the same time, *condoning the worship of God every Sunday, TWICE on Sunday, eating RED meat daily and drinking wine!*
Jason is still alive 🙌🏾
Thank you for sharing this discussion
Looking forward to part 2
I thought that you guys did a good job....but, she kept asking about the better promises of the new covenant. My understanding was that the old covenant meaning of being under the law, meant being under the condemnation of death. Keep in mind that these we just rituals that could not save us until the true Sacrifice was made by Christ. So...the better promises, same covenant, its just that we have a victorious savior now in Christ so we now have true access to Salvation. I think that clears that question up that she had.
The new covenant contains things that are not in the old. It cannot simply be a retelling of the old. That's not biblical.
@arthurandteresabeem7142 the Covenant is the rocks in the box. The Heavenly Sanctuary also has a box. Guess what's inside?
What I heard from them is really focused on the "Life" of Christ, in us, and through us is what keeps the Sabbath, keeps the commandments, causes us to repent. I feel like, as a former SDA, who is now Catholic, they are sooo close to understanding the truth of Jesus.
It's true, The "Life" of Christ is something given to us, a gift that makes us righteous.
But, Jesus told us how to obtain that "Life", in John 6. Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh and drink My blood, you have no life in you.
That "Life" ADL speaks of is found in the holy Eucharist.
When we partake in His flesh and blood, it brings us closer to Him, allows Him to continually change and mold our hearts, and gives us everlasting life.
I wouldn't say I'm bitter towards the SDA religion, because i am a former SDA. ADL has also accused me of being rude. However, I'm not trying to be rude, and I'm not bitter. I actually feel a sense of urgency to speak truth, from the Bible, hoping that maybe one person will see
🎉ADL accuses everybody they can’t answer as being rude, by first insulting them. They have no good intentions
@@chucksmith4624 it's funny how the SDA religion is rude to Catholicism by calling them the Whore of Babylon. But they say people are rude for trying to speak truth with zeal 😅
Why would some X-Advenist and Adventis be so critical of the church? 1) the church is lukewarm, so one has to just read Revelation chapter 3. Laodicea's works are plainly seen: much pride, works but worse if all blind and full of their own righteousness.
2) The foundations of the church have been changed. One only has to go back in history and accept that when church leaders rejected the message of 1888 they also rejected Jesus whom they left outside the door. Now it was men leading the church instead of Christ.
The church 28 fundamental beliefs were changed officially in 1931, specifically fundamental belief #2. Now if we look back on the 27 fundamental beliefs of 1914, while sister Ellen G White was still alive we would notice the difference.
Now, if we look at more recent history of 1980, General Conference meeting, the church decided to fully accept the doctrine of the Trinity, under the opinion of progressive light which is not only a contradiction to the testimony of sister White but a fulfillment of the writings of sister White ( Selected Messages vol. 1; " The Alpha and Omega of Apostasy").
For those who search the Adventist history, the writings of the pioneers, what will be obvious is the fulfillment of that which has already been prophesied.
Adventism, as Elder Cotto stated, is not a creedal movement and doctrine can develop. So joining mainstream Christianity by accepting the Trinity doctrine was a wonderful thing. We want to follow Christ, as as we get nearer and nearer to Him, we get nearer and nearer to each other spiritually and doctrinally.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142how can we get closer to the Father and Jesus if the Trinity doctrine considers the relationship between the Father and the Son as a metaphor? This denies that the Father is truly a Father; first in heaven (Heb. 1) and then again on earth.
I consider this to be the spirit of antichrist ( John 2).
@@arthurandteresabeem7142I would agree in some aspects, however SDA still upholds that Ellen G White is a prophet and that they have 100% of the truth due to her. EGW contradicts scripture which makes her a false prophet and the organization upholds a false gospel as well. This is why the church is a false church. I’m not saying that no SDA is saved, but those who are, are saved DESPITE what the SDA church actually teaches.
Stupid question. People get pissed off when they realize they have been lied to. Figure it out.
This should be interesting.
What a total contradiction from qhat the SDA really teach. What about the Investigative Judgement?
I feel like you didn't press them hard enough, I understand the need to be charitable but you allowed them to use Christian language but get away with Adventist unique doctrines that are not Christian.
For example, instead of saying is it a requirement to believe in the writings of Ellen White to be an Adventist, you could ask if one can renounce Ellen White and believe she is a false prophetess and still be an Adventist. What's the difference?
If they say yes, then adventism is not built on Ellen White and should be a Christian denomination but they can't because that goes against the 28 fundamental beliefs, so they are forced to say no. In that case, it is beyond doubt that it is built upon Ellen White and not Jesus as it is claimed because with other Christians, you can deny the church founder, you can even argue against the church on certain beliefs but you remain part of them as long as the core beliefs about Christ and salvation are intact.
Last point, it will be great to look at protestantism the way the original protestants do. It is incorrect to classify pentecostalism which protestants condemn as heretical with their toungue speaking etc. Some don't even hold on to traditional protestant beliefs but will use the name. So let's not call anything that isn't orthodox or catholic, protestant. No, it is not. Anglicanism, Baptists, Presbyterian, Methodism etc those are identified as protestants. SDA, pentecostalism, church of Christ, those are sects of protestantism but are not protestant in the same way Christianity is a Jewish sect but it is not Judaism. We need to correct that because we dilute the word protestantism when we lump everyone together.
We weren't having a conversation to correct them but to discuss their views. I was genuinely interested if Adventists today believe differently than they did when Arthur and I were growing up. Even if the SDA doctrines have not changed, evidently one doesn't have to believe them to be Adventist. That alone will completely cause the denomination to dissipate.
Thank you for this wonderful dialogue. I am a third generation Adventist and love the jargon if its in the Bible its for me, if its not in the Bible it's not for me. Our prayer should be to invite and let the Holy Spirit be our Divine teacher. Love you all
@@arthurandteresabeem7142the cultists aren’t Adventists and they aren’t Christians. They are game players.
What a total contradiction from what the SDA really teach. What about the Investigative Judgement? This is deceptive, different from what is in the 28 Fundamental beliefs.
I just called the SDA GC headquarters yesterday to ask them officially if people who are baptized do not have to sign a certificate for the 28 Fundamental Beliefs and if it is true that Adventists don't have to believe but 13 of them. Which 13?
They said they would contact me and answer these questions. I'll let you know what they say.
So disgusting that you declare that the Adventist Defense League heretics are your brothers in Christ. Find a Catholic priest and confess your sins and call him your daddy.
What does it mean to leave Jesus outside the door? I personally believe it is to have your own righteousness: many works you may believe save you, therefore your salvation does not come by faith, which leads you to pride and a lack of humility, blindness and perhaps worse of all, your own type of love.
The Advenstist church was entrusted with the truths of God's word but now that very truth has become a burden placed upon its people and no different than the burdens placed upon the Jewish nation, in the times of Christ by the doctor of the law
I found that questions from this interview are answered in another interview
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