Thank you! Our series "Adventist Talk" is for open dialogue and communication. Much of what Adventists believe about Catholicism is based on misunderstandings. Tt's time we talk about what we have in common rather than what separates us and causes us to fear.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 the blasphemous heretic thinks your prayers are an abomination to God and heard by Satan. You have a strange definition of respect.
@@rayhchc6451 Bobby is Bible illiterate and a biblical fool. Christians were never given the Torah as a law. Why would they have been. Stop with the charade and simply attend synagogue.
@@rayhchc6451 I’m listening right now commandment keeper. What is the law of God in the new covenant? Has God placed the laws of Torah in the hearts of new covenant new creations in Christ?
Christians around the world for 2 millennia have read scriptures a different way. We want to spend some time in dialogue explaining why each of us seems to understand scripture differently. We can all learn from each other.
My ex-Adventist Pastor rest every Monday (he also ask an Elder to keep up if there was a emergency that he was not available); now the pastor know that on Saturday was a day of work; not only for him but to all that works in the church, but the funny thing was not all of the church member has a rest day like the pastor. I was the treasurer for the church for around 10 years and I has no rest until the day I left the church..
Did Jesus physically and literally rest on the 7th day Sabbath? How did He rest? Did He literally do physical work and/or spiritual work? So, is the Lord's 'day of rest' the same as any regular work day? Just as many Christian and Catholic denominations, the Pharisees believed, accused and criticized Jesus of violating the Law by WORKING on the 7th day Sabbath. Jesus, however, tried to correct and explain to them-- *which day was the true Sabbath, *what was meant by keeping the 7th day Sabbath, *what it was intended for, and *how was it to be observed. Through Jesus' example he demonstrated the true observance of the 7th day Sabbath perfect rest. Consequently, being our perfect example we aim to follow and imitate Him in all humanly possible ways. Jesus stated in the Bible that, "the Sabbath was made FOR man, and NOT man for the Sabbath". (Mark 2:27) He also stated, "I did not come to ABOLISH the Law or the prophets, but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17). There are many such texts in the old and new testaments which confirm the sanctity, holiness, meaning and perpetuity of His Law, including the 7th day Sabbath. Jesus made a clear distinction and similarity as well between REST and WORK. Yet, there is a difference between PHYSICAL weekly work vs the SPIRITUAL/PHYSICAL work. We see this in the way Christ observed the 7th day Sabbath rest. On the 7th day Sabbath Jesus kept the day holy through SPIRITUAL and PHYSICAL work by doing the will of His Father. He did so through meditation, communing with His Father and His brethren as was "customary", and by healing both the sick in spirit and those physically ill. (Luke 4:16; Luke 13:10-17 & Matthew 12:9-13). That was how Jesus both 'rested' and 'worked' on the 7th day Sabbath, and that is why we as SDAs try to show our love to God by also observing and worshiping on the 7th day Sabbath, according to Scripture. 👍🏻🙏🏻
They problem is that they are inconsistent and sometimes purposefully omitting things. Its very clear EGW spoke nonsense under inspiration and they are trying to deflect from this and generalize the topics so you cant pin them down on specifics. They also are inconsistent by picking and choosing which SDA source they want to believe. I have pointed them multiple times that from their own sources it can be shown that Ellen's son Willie affirmed the amalgamation to be between man and beast. That proves what EGW meant. Other pioneers affirm the same. Its RACISM under inspiration and these guys argued Spectrum magazine wasnt a legit source. Its absurd.
@@ambiguity4198 i was in SDA for 6 years. You have no idea what you are talking about. They are ommitting to tell yiu what the pioneers taught on many topics or for example details that you wont hear like: Samuel Snow inventing the 22 october date / Willy White support on the amalgamation / Shut door doctrine spoken by inspiration/ Israel Damon story showing EGW was false with 20+ witnesses
@@NextLevel-k9o Being in SDA 20yrs would still not be equal to knowing and understanding of the truth. That's why you were sifted out by the spirit of God
I ask myself often, if I was able to go for decades as an absolutely convinced, sincere Adventist, how can I be so sure that today I am truly understanding the meaning of scripture. Therefore, our salvation cannot be left to our personal understanding of scripture and our own theological correctness. We can have enormous faith in Christ and get theology wrong. At the same time, I believe strongly that God DESIRES we have the truth.
The only thing that changed was our lamb was christ His blood covered our sin which he kept all the law to die for . Without the shedding of blood there is No remission for sin.. under the blood is the law.the rod of arron.and the manna. In the ark. Which his blood is on it.
The catholic church knows very well which day the sabbath is. And that it is saturday. They say so in there catisim book that they teach from.. And they say they changed it to the sun worship. pagan.
I agree that Catholicism does not teach that Sunday is the Sabbath. We teach that Sunday is the Lord's day in contradistinction to the Jewish Sabbath. Catholics do not have a "day" of worship. That is not a Catholic concept. We have public, communal worship daily.
*To what profit is it to pretend to keep the Sabbath and slander your neighbor?* Ezekiel 33:13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live,* *but he TRUSTS IN HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND COMMITS INIQUITY, NONE of his righteous works shall be remembered;* but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. *This day, this scripture is fulfilled in the Seventh Day Adventist Church!* Who the hell would repeat a damnable lie like the Sunday Law Hoax! For all their bluster, *the Adventist church has never once given any proof of any prayer, any song or any text by any Catholics or Protestants worshiping the Sun in the past 2,000 years.* What damnable liars. I really don't know how an Adventist can live with themselves after repeating so many slanderous lies. Thus saith the Lord, Zeph. 3:13 *"The remnant of Israel shall NOT do iniquity, NOR speak lies; NEITHER shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth:…"* If the Adventist Church obeyed this verse, the entire SDA would cease to exist overnight. There is no chance the SDA will ever be a true *"Remnant of Israel"* Because, they cannot cease from evil, slander and lies.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 The comment above from @sylviamanring9975 is indicative of the poisoned hearts and mind of the Adventists. Well said Christ to the hypocrite Sabbath keepers in Mt. 13: 14 And IN THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, *By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive* :13: 15 *For this people's heart (the Sabbath Keepers) Is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; LEST AT any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, *and should be converted, and I should heal them* .
Teresa, you need to LISTEN to what is being said. It seems that whilst claiming to want clarification, what you are actually seeking is confirmation of what you believe. The Sabbath is a very important part of God's law and that is why the devil wants to discredit the Ten Commandments (as they contain the Sabbath commandment). If he can get people to believe the Ten Commandments are no longer relevant, then he can deceive them into believing false teachings which claim that there is a new holy day and the 7th day is no longer the required holy day. God asked us to REMEMBER the 7th day and keep it holy. He did not instruct us to FORGET it or REPLACE it. Where in the Bible do you SEE that instruction? In Exodus 20:11, God explains why He wants us to keep it holy. The Sabbath is a reminder of the fact that God is our creator and the creator of the world and everything in it. NB: Our sole guide should be the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16-17: states that 'ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work'. If the Bible does not give us a new day of worship and rest, then on whose authority are we declaring a new day of worship and rest? After looking at this videoclip I looked up and read the relevant parts of the online Catholic Catechism and on page 544 it refers to Psalm 118:24 (This is the day that the Lord has made) as proof that the first day of the week is the Lord's Day and then went on to declare that Sunday has replaced the Sabbath as the day of worship for Christians. I do not see how anyone could come to that conclusion. On that same page it refers to an 'eight day following the sabbath' .... another unbiblical statement. Nowhere in the Bible is an eight day mentioned! Can you not see the relevance of Jesus resting in the grave on the Sabbath? Do you realize that he could have risen IMMEDIATELY after being crucified? He is God after all! He CHOSE to REMAIN in the grave during the Sabbath and to rise AFTER it had ended. What does that tell you? Even in death Jesus chose to observe the Sabbath! The Bible cautions us that in the last days the antichrist power would seek to deceive God's people by changing God's law. In fact, the Bible states in Daniel 7:25 (speaking of the 4th beast power) that 'he shall think to change TIMES and LAWS'. God's law is IMMUTABLE; that is why He wrote it with His own finger on stone tablets, not once but twice (Exodus 31:18; Exodus 32:15-16, Exodus 34:1 and Deut 10:1-4). Anyone who teaches God's law has changed, needs to pray earnestly for God to open his/her eyes to the truth. You were clearly bent on proving that the Ten Commandments are no longer applicable today DESPITE repeated explanations that the new covenant is simply the SAME law, no longer existing OUTSIDE of us on stone tablets, but rather existing INSIDE of us, written on our hearts/minds. It was always God's intention to have his people internalize His law (Jeremiah 31:33). Just because Jesus explained how the Jewish religious leaders were misinterpreting and misapplying the law does not mean the law was changed. He simply showed the Jewish religious leaders how they had perverted the law by outwardly obeying the law whilst inwardly being unconverted by it. God knew their hearts (1 Samuel 16:7).... that is why He wanted to write His law on their hearts. BTW Jesus did not make the law 'more perfect', He simply explained it so they could better understand it. Perfection is perfection; it cannot be improved upon. There is no such concept as 'more perfect.' You said, 'the Ten commandments do not even talk about love'. Although your guests explained that love was IMPLIED in the Ten Commandments (if you steal, kill, etc you are not exhibiting love to your neighbour) you just could not seem to grasp what they were saying. Read Exodus 20:6, that is the 3rd commandment which definitely mentions the word LOVE. The Bible cautions in Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because you have REJECTED knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for me, because you have FORGOTTEN the LAW of your God, I will also forget your children." Please do not continue to reject knowledge. You said, 'if the law is written on our hearts we no longer need the Ten Commandments'. That really confused me. WHAT did the Bible say would be written on our hearts? THE LAW! How can it be written on our hearts but no longer be needed? It's the same law, its format/location has changed from tablets of stone to the hearts/minds of man. When the Bible states that Christ came to fulfil the law, it was not referring to the Ten Commandments. It was referring to the Mosaic Law (statutes and ordinances) which outlined all the washings, sacrifices etc that were necessary for them to atone for their sins periodically. When Jesus was crucified on the cross, the veil in the tabernacle was rent in two, indicating that we now had access, through Jesus, to the most holy place. Jesus was the supreme sacrifice; no longer would we need to sacrifice animals to receive forgiveness of sins. All those instructions about sacrifices and washings etc pointed to Jesus paying the price for our sins (without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness of sins - Hebrews 9:22). So once Jesus came and paid the ultimate price for our sins, He had FULFILLED the law. Note that Colossians 2:14-15 states 'having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us.' What most people do not realize is that there are TWO sets of laws: (1) THE TEN COMMANDMENTS which were written by God and placed INSIDE the ark of the covenant (Exodus 40:20) (2) THE LAW OF MOSES/ BOOK OF THE LAW (Exodus 24:3-4, 7) which God DICTATED to Moses and MOSES WROTE in his own handwriting and which was put BESIDE the ark of the covenant (Deut 31:24-26) to act as a witness against the people. These civil and ceremonial laws were accompanied by blessings and curses based on the people's obedience and/or disobedience. * This book, available on amazon, explains this fully: Ten Commandments Twice Removed by Danny Shelton and Shelly Quinn. * This video explains it well: th-cam.com/video/r2fMY-ehw18/w-d-xo.html You talked about when Revelation says the 'stars fell' and stated that according to Catholic doctrine that meant we have a new calendar. How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Anyone who studied Geography knows that our years and seasons are determined by the sun and the moon, NOT by the stars. Did Revelation say the moon and sun fell? NO! Also, read Revelation 1:20 where Jesus explains what the symbols in Revelation mean. He clearly states that when He says 'stars' he means 'angels'. 'Stars' here have nothing to do with dates and times! Look at Revelation 9:1. The 'star' there is Lucifer. Look at Revelation 12:4. It says 'and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth,' This is referring to when Lucifer was cast out of heaven, taking 1/3 of the angels with him (stars in this verse is referring to the fallen angels). Isaiah 9:15 tells us that 'tails' refer to 'prophets who teach false doctrine'. So Lucifer's lies/false doctrine drew 1/3 of the stars (angels) of heaven with him. This reference has NOTHING to do with a change in the calendar. Teresa, God loves you and wants you to know the truth. But you must be open to it. Your guide should not be 'the church' or 'the pope'. Your guide should be God's word. I will pray for the scales to be removed from your eyes so that you can see clearly.
Wow! You really spent some time writing a comment. Thank you for your kind consideration for my spiritual health! We invited ADL to come onto the show and express just how the former Adventist critics get things wrong. We want to open dialogue between Adventists and former Adventists, Protestants and Catholics. Jesus tells us that the world will know we are Christians by our love one for another. So simply listening is a major part of that process of breaking down barriers. I grew up Adventist and know what they teach about the Sabbath, I was not there to debate with ADL but to listen. If you are interested in why Christians across time and space have celebrated the Lord's Day, please watch our series: The Story of the Sabbath on this TH-cam channel. God bless you and that you for your time.
😊 Ellen G white ur prophetess taught SDA that Sabbath is the zeal of God's people and Sunday is the mark of the beast. The Bible in the book of Revelation doesn't say that. It's a false teachings, lie is a sin
That's a whole new study that would take time to explain, but I can tell you have a false interpretation or take about the mark of the Beast accord. to Revelation. Maybe our brothers here will have time to explain it. It's all biblical, not just an invention of EGW writings...
While the Bible does not say that the Sabbath is a seal for Christians, most Adventists do not realize they are passing along false information. That's what they were taught growing up.
If you really understand the scripture, you will understand the contents of the arc still pointed to christ. The Mana signified Jesus Christ in flesh, the ten commandment is Himself as the law giver and Himself is the way, truth and life and the Rod is His Kingship. All pointed to Christ. The womb of Mary or herself was the new arc. That is spelled out in Revelation 11:19 and continues to Revelation 12:1
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 I am cradle Catholic. Through continuous watching Catholic Apologist pod cast and other denominations too, I've learned a lot about my faith.
Thank you for another wonderful discussion.
Our pleasure!
Wonderful study. Cant wait for part 3
It's been posted!
The sabbath separates the goats from the sheep.
Very respectful discussion.
Thank you! Our series "Adventist Talk" is for open dialogue and communication. Much of what Adventists believe about Catholicism is based on misunderstandings. Tt's time we talk about what we have in common rather than what separates us and causes us to fear.
I have zero respect for Adventist dogs and evil doers.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 the blasphemous heretic thinks your prayers are an abomination to God and heard by Satan. You have a strange definition of respect.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 what separates you is Adventists are blasphemous heretics damning the body of Christ
If you love me!
Jesus said keep my commandments.
We love with our hearts. So the law is in our heart.
What are God’s commands in the new covenant?
@@rayray4192The same ones that were written on tables of stone.
🗨 bobby 🗨 rayray is once again a naughty boy. It's obvious he didn't listen when his exact question was addressed by both Edwin and Jason
@@rayhchc6451 Bobby is Bible illiterate and a biblical fool. Christians were never given the Torah as a law. Why would they have been. Stop with the charade and simply attend synagogue.
@@rayhchc6451 I’m listening right now commandment keeper. What is the law of God in the new covenant? Has God placed the laws of Torah in the hearts of new covenant new creations in Christ?
Everyone with un biased mind can clearly see that SDA understanding of the scriptures is superior and an matched...not even close.
This is a joke right?
Christians around the world for 2 millennia have read scriptures a different way. We want to spend some time in dialogue explaining why each of us seems to understand scripture differently. We can all learn from each other.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 That's the spirit of Christ and I respect that
Happy belated birthday Arthur
Sorry! Things have been especially busy in the last few weeks. Will pass that along and thank you.
I would like to see the belief about the new creation following Christs resurrection supported by Bible verses.Please...Please.
We do that on many of the videos on this channel. I was trying to allow Advent Defense League the platform to discuss.
My ex-Adventist Pastor rest every Monday (he also ask an Elder to keep up if there was a emergency that he was not available); now the pastor know that on Saturday was a day of work; not only for him but to all that works in the church, but the funny thing was not all of the church member has a rest day like the pastor.
I was the treasurer for the church for around 10 years and I has no rest until the day I left the church..
Did Jesus physically and literally rest on the 7th day Sabbath? How did He rest? Did He literally do physical work and/or spiritual work? So, is the Lord's 'day of rest' the same as any regular work day?
Just as many Christian and Catholic denominations, the Pharisees believed, accused and criticized Jesus of violating the Law by WORKING on the 7th day Sabbath. Jesus, however, tried to correct and explain to them--
*which day was the true Sabbath,
*what was meant by keeping the 7th day Sabbath,
*what it was intended for, and
*how was it to be observed.
Through Jesus' example he demonstrated the true observance of the 7th day Sabbath perfect rest.
Consequently, being our perfect example we aim to follow and imitate Him in all humanly possible ways.
Jesus stated in the Bible that, "the Sabbath was made FOR man, and NOT man for the Sabbath". (Mark 2:27)
He also stated, "I did not come to ABOLISH the Law or the prophets, but to fulfill them." (Matthew 5:17).
There are many such texts in the old and new testaments which confirm the sanctity, holiness, meaning and perpetuity of His Law, including the 7th day Sabbath.
Jesus made a clear distinction and similarity as well between REST and WORK.
Yet, there is a difference between PHYSICAL weekly work vs the SPIRITUAL/PHYSICAL work. We see this in the way Christ observed the 7th day Sabbath rest.
On the 7th day Sabbath Jesus kept the day holy through SPIRITUAL and PHYSICAL work by doing the will of His Father. He did so through meditation, communing with His Father and His brethren as was "customary", and by healing both the sick in spirit and those physically ill. (Luke 4:16; Luke 13:10-17 & Matthew 12:9-13).
That was how Jesus both 'rested' and 'worked' on the 7th day Sabbath, and that is why we as SDAs try to show our love to God by also observing and worshiping on the 7th day Sabbath, according to Scripture. 👍🏻🙏🏻
I have heard the same thing from many ex Adventists.
How do we know you left the church because you were no longer allowed to be the treasurer 🤔😂
We are left with (no excuse!!)
You will have to ask them about that.
They problem is that they are inconsistent and sometimes purposefully omitting things. Its very clear EGW spoke nonsense under inspiration and they are trying to deflect from this and generalize the topics so you cant pin them down on specifics. They also are inconsistent by picking and choosing which SDA source they want to believe. I have pointed them multiple times that from their own sources it can be shown that Ellen's son Willie affirmed the amalgamation to be between man and beast. That proves what EGW meant. Other pioneers affirm the same. Its RACISM under inspiration and these guys argued Spectrum magazine wasnt a legit source. Its absurd.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about...what are they purposefully omitting? Say it
I think ur just angry that ur spiritual ignorance is exposed by debating ADL dudes 🤣😂🤣
@@ambiguity4198 i was in SDA for 6 years. You have no idea what you are talking about. They are ommitting to tell yiu what the pioneers taught on many topics or for example details that you wont hear like: Samuel Snow inventing the 22 october date / Willy White support on the amalgamation / Shut door doctrine spoken by inspiration/ Israel Damon story showing EGW was false with 20+ witnesses
@@NextLevel-k9o Being in SDA 20yrs would still not be equal to knowing and understanding of the truth. That's why you were sifted out by the spirit of God
@@NextLevel-k9o The subject in discussion is about one thing and you mopping about amalgamation? 😂😂
He took the blood to heaven to present to the Father.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Hebrews 4 covers the sabbath.
Today they still dont grasp the meaning of the scripitures. They pick and choose what they think it says.
How?
I ask myself often, if I was able to go for decades as an absolutely convinced, sincere Adventist, how can I be so sure that today I am truly understanding the meaning of scripture. Therefore, our salvation cannot be left to our personal understanding of scripture and our own theological correctness. We can have enormous faith in Christ and get theology wrong.
At the same time, I believe strongly that God DESIRES we have the truth.
No, no, no... not a new law! It's the same Law. Just a new covenant...!
Please read Galatians and Hebrews and those books explain why the law itself MUST change. With a new priesthood a new law is essential.
The temple opened, there was the arc. And a woman with twelve stars........Mary is the new covenant, the queen mother of King Jesus
Amen.
Isaiah 42 : 21
The only thing that changed was our lamb was christ
His blood covered our sin which he kept all the law to die for . Without the shedding of blood there is No remission for sin.. under the blood is the law.the rod of arron.and the manna. In the ark. Which his blood is on it.
How does it all correlate with the Law, the Sabbath and Jesus sacrifice?
7Day Adventist Defender defending The RedBook of EGW interpretation ???
Not defending EGW, just showing it's authenticity...
The catholic church knows very well which day the sabbath is. And that it is saturday.
They say so in there catisim book that they teach from..
And they say they changed it to the sun worship. pagan.
I agree that Catholicism does not teach that Sunday is the Sabbath. We teach that Sunday is the Lord's day in contradistinction to the Jewish Sabbath.
Catholics do not have a "day" of worship. That is not a Catholic concept. We have public, communal worship daily.
*To what profit is it to pretend to keep the Sabbath and slander your neighbor?* Ezekiel 33:13 When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live,* *but he TRUSTS IN HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND COMMITS INIQUITY, NONE of his righteous works shall be remembered;* but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. *This day, this scripture is fulfilled in the Seventh Day Adventist Church!* Who the hell would repeat a damnable lie like the Sunday Law Hoax! For all their bluster, *the Adventist church has never once given any proof of any prayer, any song or any text by any Catholics or Protestants worshiping the Sun in the past 2,000 years.* What damnable liars.
I really don't know how an Adventist can live with themselves after repeating so many slanderous lies. Thus saith the Lord, Zeph. 3:13 *"The remnant of Israel shall NOT do iniquity, NOR speak lies; NEITHER shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth:…"*
If the Adventist Church obeyed this verse, the entire SDA would cease to exist overnight. There is no chance the SDA will ever be a true *"Remnant of Israel"* Because, they cannot cease from evil, slander and lies.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 The comment above from @sylviamanring9975 is indicative of the poisoned hearts and mind of the Adventists. Well said Christ to the hypocrite Sabbath keepers in Mt. 13: 14 And IN THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, *By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive* :13: 15 *For this people's heart (the Sabbath Keepers) Is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; LEST AT any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, *and should be converted, and I should heal them* .
Teresa, you need to LISTEN to what is being said. It seems that whilst claiming to want clarification, what you are actually seeking is confirmation of what you believe. The Sabbath is a very important part of God's law and that is why the devil wants to discredit the Ten Commandments (as they contain the Sabbath commandment). If he can get people to believe the Ten Commandments are no longer relevant, then he can deceive them into believing false teachings which claim that there is a new holy day and the 7th day is no longer the required holy day. God asked us to REMEMBER the 7th day and keep it holy. He did not instruct us to FORGET it or REPLACE it. Where in the Bible do you SEE that instruction? In Exodus 20:11, God explains why He wants us to keep it holy. The Sabbath is a reminder of the fact that God is our creator and the creator of the world and everything in it.
NB: Our sole guide should be the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16-17: states that 'ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work'. If the Bible does not give us a new day of worship and rest, then on whose authority are we declaring a new day of worship and rest?
After looking at this videoclip I looked up and read the relevant parts of the online Catholic Catechism and on page 544 it refers to Psalm 118:24 (This is the day that the Lord has made) as proof that the first day of the week is the Lord's Day and then went on to declare that Sunday has replaced the Sabbath as the day of worship for Christians. I do not see how anyone could come to that conclusion. On that same page it refers to an 'eight day following the sabbath' .... another unbiblical statement. Nowhere in the Bible is an eight day mentioned! Can you not see the relevance of Jesus resting in the grave on the Sabbath? Do you realize that he could have risen IMMEDIATELY after being crucified? He is God after all! He CHOSE to REMAIN in the grave during the Sabbath and to rise AFTER it had ended. What does that tell you? Even in death Jesus chose to observe the Sabbath!
The Bible cautions us that in the last days the antichrist power would seek to deceive God's people by changing God's law. In fact, the Bible states in Daniel 7:25 (speaking of the 4th beast power) that 'he shall think to change TIMES and LAWS'. God's law is IMMUTABLE; that is why He wrote it with His own finger on stone tablets, not once but twice (Exodus 31:18; Exodus 32:15-16, Exodus 34:1 and Deut 10:1-4). Anyone who teaches God's law has changed, needs to pray earnestly for God to open his/her eyes to the truth. You were clearly bent on proving that the Ten Commandments are no longer applicable today DESPITE repeated explanations that the new covenant is simply the SAME law, no longer existing OUTSIDE of us on stone tablets, but rather existing INSIDE of us, written on our hearts/minds. It was always God's intention to have his people internalize His law (Jeremiah 31:33). Just because Jesus explained how the Jewish religious leaders were misinterpreting and misapplying the law does not mean the law was changed. He simply showed the Jewish religious leaders how they had perverted the law by outwardly obeying the law whilst inwardly being unconverted by it. God knew their hearts (1 Samuel 16:7).... that is why He wanted to write His law on their hearts. BTW Jesus did not make the law 'more perfect', He simply explained it so they could better understand it. Perfection is perfection; it cannot be improved upon. There is no such concept as 'more perfect.'
You said, 'the Ten commandments do not even talk about love'. Although your guests explained that love was IMPLIED in the Ten Commandments (if you steal, kill, etc you are not exhibiting love to your neighbour) you just could not seem to grasp what they were saying. Read Exodus 20:6, that is the 3rd commandment which definitely mentions the word LOVE. The Bible cautions in Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because you have REJECTED knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for me, because you have FORGOTTEN the LAW of your God, I will also forget your children." Please do not continue to reject knowledge.
You said, 'if the law is written on our hearts we no longer need the Ten Commandments'. That really confused me. WHAT did the Bible say would be written on our hearts? THE LAW! How can it be written on our hearts but no longer be needed? It's the same law, its format/location has changed from tablets of stone to the hearts/minds of man.
When the Bible states that Christ came to fulfil the law, it was not referring to the Ten Commandments. It was referring to the Mosaic Law (statutes and ordinances) which outlined all the washings, sacrifices etc that were necessary for them to atone for their sins periodically. When Jesus was crucified on the cross, the veil in the tabernacle was rent in two, indicating that we now had access, through Jesus, to the most holy place. Jesus was the supreme sacrifice; no longer would we need to sacrifice animals to receive forgiveness of sins. All those instructions about sacrifices and washings etc pointed to Jesus paying the price for our sins (without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness of sins - Hebrews 9:22). So once Jesus came and paid the ultimate price for our sins, He had FULFILLED the law. Note that Colossians 2:14-15 states 'having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us.'
What most people do not realize is that there are TWO sets of laws:
(1) THE TEN COMMANDMENTS which were written by God and placed INSIDE the ark of the covenant (Exodus 40:20)
(2) THE LAW OF MOSES/ BOOK OF THE LAW (Exodus 24:3-4, 7) which God DICTATED to Moses and MOSES WROTE in his own handwriting and which was put BESIDE the ark of the covenant (Deut 31:24-26) to act as a witness against the people. These civil and ceremonial laws were accompanied by blessings and curses based on the people's obedience and/or disobedience.
* This book, available on amazon, explains this fully: Ten Commandments Twice Removed by Danny Shelton and Shelly Quinn.
* This video explains it well: th-cam.com/video/r2fMY-ehw18/w-d-xo.html
You talked about when Revelation says the 'stars fell' and stated that according to Catholic doctrine that meant we have a new calendar. How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Anyone who studied Geography knows that our years and seasons are determined by the sun and the moon, NOT by the stars. Did Revelation say the moon and sun fell? NO! Also, read Revelation 1:20 where Jesus explains what the symbols in Revelation mean. He clearly states that when He says 'stars' he means 'angels'. 'Stars' here have nothing to do with dates and times! Look at Revelation 9:1. The 'star' there is Lucifer. Look at Revelation 12:4. It says 'and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth,' This is referring to when Lucifer was cast out of heaven, taking 1/3 of the angels with him (stars in this verse is referring to the fallen angels). Isaiah 9:15 tells us that 'tails' refer to 'prophets who teach false doctrine'. So Lucifer's lies/false doctrine drew 1/3 of the stars (angels) of heaven with him. This reference has NOTHING to do with a change in the calendar.
Teresa, God loves you and wants you to know the truth. But you must be open to it. Your guide should not be 'the church' or 'the pope'. Your guide should be God's word. I will pray for the scales to be removed from your eyes so that you can see clearly.
Wow! You really spent some time writing a comment. Thank you for your kind consideration for my spiritual health!
We invited ADL to come onto the show and express just how the former Adventist critics get things wrong. We want to open dialogue between Adventists and former Adventists, Protestants and Catholics. Jesus tells us that the world will know we are Christians by our love one for another. So simply listening is a major part of that process of breaking down barriers.
I grew up Adventist and know what they teach about the Sabbath, I was not there to debate with ADL but to listen.
If you are interested in why Christians across time and space have celebrated the Lord's Day, please watch our series: The Story of the Sabbath on this TH-cam channel. God bless you and that you for your time.
😊 Ellen G white ur prophetess taught SDA that Sabbath is the zeal of God's people and Sunday is the mark of the beast. The Bible in the book of Revelation doesn't say that. It's a false teachings, lie is a sin
That's a whole new study that would take time to explain, but I can tell you have a false interpretation or take about the mark of the Beast accord. to Revelation. Maybe our brothers here will have time to explain it. It's all biblical, not just an invention of EGW writings...
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😀 Sorry man. What you're going to explain to me, twisted the Bible with ur religion ideas.
While the Bible does not say that the Sabbath is a seal for Christians, most Adventists do not realize they are passing along false information. That's what they were taught growing up.
The sabbath has the word( abba) inside the sabbath .which is father In hebrew.
That means absolutely F'K all...
If you really understand the scripture, you will understand the contents of the arc still pointed to christ. The Mana signified Jesus Christ in flesh, the ten commandment is Himself as the law giver and Himself is the way, truth and life and the Rod is His Kingship. All pointed to Christ.
The womb of Mary or herself was the new arc. That is spelled out in Revelation 11:19 and continues to Revelation 12:1
You must be Catholic too! God bless.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 I am cradle Catholic. Through continuous watching Catholic Apologist pod cast and other denominations too, I've learned a lot about my faith.
Why not call it Papal Talk?
Maybe because the subject is seventh day adventism?
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Extra biblical by a woman. Come on people.
Are you referring to what Theresa is saying about all the stuff not in the Bible?
Wrong...
Good one!! haa haa. At least I'm not claiming to be a prophetess!
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Ah there it is. There are your true colors.
@@arthurandteresabeem7142 and who are you claiming is claiming to be a prophet?