You were mentioning Greece 2004 as an example, but the difference between that squad and this England squad is that nobody expected them to came far. That achievement was massive, but you may expect more from this England side. I won’t say that they should win this tournament, but they need to play better.
Very fair assessment on England that, progressing through a tournament is excellent, but we should be expecting far better displays from this group of players.
The only problem with playing ugly and winning is that the real emotion is only when you win the whole thing. Otherwise it's just horrible. As a Frenchman I should know.
France have been getting by with some miracles this tournament aren’t they? People are talking England this, Bellingham that, script this. I think the script dictates that France win this thing without scoring one goal. History
No you don't, France is literally one of the teams that cannot say it. Despite this Euros and even include it look how many chances you had on the target and the amazing build up plays, England is absolutely garbage and it's not even close. I rather qualify to the quarter with some purely own goals rather then watch this England, They are not only playing bad... they getting owned simple as that.
The pinacle of being a fan is beating Brazil 7:1 in their own country in a semifinal of a world cup with 5 goals in the first 28 minutes and then go on to win 1:0 against Messis Argentina by a wonder goal in the 113th minute. All that while beating Ronaldos Portugal 4:1 and France 1:0 so 4 big nations, 3 of them under the biggest nations in world football. Germany 2014 were the best ever world cup winners.
@@BiggestChungus21 France look nowhere as near vulnerable at the back than England do. And the calibre of opposition they have played is far greater than what England have faced.
I can give you one simple and most important reason why playing well necessary for winning championships is. You simply won't win consistently if you are not creating a lot of high quality chances. The only thing that makes it easier is you don't have to play a lot of games to win this trophy, basically 4 wins in a row and you can win it all. Not compareable to a champions league or championship.
The issue is if you play entertaining football and lose, at least you were entertained. If you play boring football and lose you are left with nothing at all.
Calling Argentina average has got to be one of the most delusional worst takes I’ve ever heard. They were undefeated over 36 games before they lost to Saudi and won Copa America before going into the World Cup. Go cry about it
More teams win big tournaments playing well than badly Brazil 1994 - Great Football Germany 1996 - Good Football France 1998 - Good Football France 2000 - Good Football Brazil 2002 - Great Football Greece 2004 - Dull Football Italy 2006 - Dull Football Spain 2008 - Good Football Spain 2010 - Good Football Spain 2012 - Great Football Germany 2014 - Good Football Portugal 2016 - Dull Football France 2018 - Good Football Italy 2020 - Mixed Football Argentina 2022 - Mixed Football
Argentina played good, not sure what you azzwipes are smoking. And if you're going to refer to the group stages you are 100 % wrong on a bunch of the other teams.
"His naïve positivity is laughable. There are only a few teams in the past few decades are able to win with dull football. That doesn't mean this rubbish England team will be able to do it."
I'm sorry, you took Argentina didn't play well in the world cup,? Except against Saudi Arabia, they were quite good. They scored 3 against France in final, whereas England has scored 3 in 3 matches till now
The Argentina example is not true. Besides the loss to Saudi they played well. The dominated every team they played against but the problem was they were not able tonput teams away and they would concede a goals late in the game. Poland, Mexico and Croatia were dominated. Netherlands, France and Australia weren't good either, they just happened to score goals late to put pressure on Argentina
The reality is that no team can be good in a national tournament. However, the amount of penalties were crucial in Argentinas run. You can say they deserved those but getting penalties itself is a helping hand as scoring from openplay in national tournament is hard af. Some of those were 50/50 calls and could've gone either way. Argentina got the most of those imo.
@@jalv1987 Aaahhhwww was it rigged yeah? Was it all a set up? Poor boy. You need a hug? Still crying about referees and penalties? Aahwww that’s cute. I wish you a lot of luck with your pain and I really hope you will recover from this.
Argentina played well enough but you can't say they had convincing world cup run while also having the most pens in world cup history. Many of them in crucial matches too
Agree, I think all sport is about entertainment, release from the norm. If by miracle, England went on to win the tournament the games so far leave dissatisfaction.
Only 3 times i can remember a team won a major cup competition where they played horrible football and lucked their way to a win, Chelsea 2012 Liverpool 2005 Greece 2004. It doesn't happen often. To win the biggest honours, you have to step up in the latter stages. You can play shit in the group stages, but you have to step up from Quarters onwards. Switzerland and Netherlands will beat us if we dont step the fuck up.
There's a difference. They were brilliant defensively. England look very open at the back. A team with more quality in the final 3rd than Slovakia would have punished them.
To an England fan, being 3-0 up is less stressful than being 1-0 up. Over the years, even before Southgate, we've seen England team get knocked out after sitting back on 1-0 leads and inviting pressure, which is on the minds of every England fan. I think the desire for attractive, attacking football is less about fans wanting to be entertained, and more about "not stressing us out" 😂
Yes Rory it still can come home,tournaments like these require players who know the moment and can take advantage of that moment, players who can create nothing out of something.We saw that in Slovakia game in Jude and Kane
England will be lucky to reach the final let alone win it when being this awful. They have scammed their way to face Switzerland after surviving against Slovakia.
In the game against Slovakia, I noticed that the gap between the backline and the line in front of it was really wide. The Slovakian players were taking advantage of that space, slowing down and disrupting your build-up play significantly. It was frustrating to watch such a drawn-out build-up. As a suggestion from a German fan: how about pushing the backline further up to close the gap between the lines?
To win a tournament, you need to be defensively sound. Greece in 2004, Portugal in 2016, Italy 2021. They didn't look like conceding in the knock out stages. England look fraile
I was thinking about this, asking myself do I care if we win and we are awful. Turns out I do care a bit which surprises me. I want to see great football, not endure the next three games
Have you seen switzerland?If England doesnt play a lot better there is big chances they dont even reach next stage.The amount of space they give in defence to their rivals is scary.
What's interesting is that before being successful for the last 25 years, France reacted a bit like England and English fans : WE NEED TO PLAY WELL TO WIN ! We were the beautiful losers. We were the romantic losers with great talents : Platini, Giresse, Tigana, Papin, Cantona, Ginola ; all great players who never achieved anything in World Cups. And frankly here in France we thought it would never change. Then came along that horrible France-Bulgaria game in 1993 which triggered the French football revolution in terms of approach. Jacquet and Deschamps came along and managed to convince everyone here that "playing well" is subjective and doesn't really mean anything. What's "playing well" ? Looking slick in midfield ? Looking great in defense ? Deschamps isn't really French in terms of football. He was a typical Italian midfield player of the early 90's, and as a coach, he's a great Italian coach of the 90's. His football approach is rational and simple : playing well is winning. That's it. It's a cup competition over 4 weeks, you're not here to develop any kind of revolutionary way of playing ; it's about the group, the unity, sticking together and fighting to death on the day. Deschamps sees the pitch as a battlefield. France hasn't scored in open play yes, but we do create a lot of chances and more importantly we are rock solid and didn't concede one goal in open play so far. France is all about destroying the opponent by blocking him and rendering him harmless. Ugly, but pure Deschamps. I don't know if we'll win this, but what I do know for certain is that we'll be incredibly hard to beat. If we lose it will probably be on penalties again. Because usually, no matter how, we always find a way. In fact, since the EURO 2016 final, France has not lost a knockout game in open play ; our only two defeats since were on penalties, 3-3 against Switzerland in 2021, and 3-3 against Argentina in 2022. We won all the other games. Quite crazy to think about actually.
Your argument only holds water if England win the tournament. If they don’t, it’s because Southgate hasn’t used the right players and employed the suitable tactics. Placing your future on luck rather than judgement is a fool’s errand.
And this is why internationally people hate England… the entitlement of the fans and the team thinking that they DESERVE to win a trophy as if the sport owed them anything.
I am 54 years old since born I was and still a fan of England. My dream to win one competition only . I think our big problem is we don't have a coach .
Portugal won playing ugly in 2016. Greece in 2004, England fans need to calm down it's international football it's tight and cagey and you have to ride your luck sometimes and stay solid. Everyone said the Slovenia game was a disaster but then they held Portugal for 120 mins.
The good news for England is that I don't think they can play that badly so many times, and if they've made it to the quater-finals playing this bad, what will happen when they finally get a good game?
The Argentina example is absolutely and utterly wrong! Maybe they had one or two bad or average games but they were a great TEAM (they did play as a team unified around Messi). Even though they lost to Saudi Arabia, they were still making chances. You really can’t compare 2022 Argentina to England today.
People are getting confused with defending well and playing shite. England are playing shite - they looked very vulnerable against Slovenia especially in the 1st half.
Greece actually did play well because they was playing their tactic to perfection yes it was boring but that was the tactic. There is a difference to playing good football and playing well but obviously you don’t have ball knowledge
One big mistake is made, you talk about playing pretty attacking football and mix it up with playing well. You need to play well to win, no exceptions. Greece played well when they won, Portugal played well when they won. Etc etc. They played defensively, but organized and full of dicipline and will to win. England has showed none of that quality. Sure they can grow into the tournament and play better but it is unlikely they will given the lack of motivation the players showed.
i know none of us were alive then but gernanys first 2 world cups (against hungary and netherlands ) are an example of the best football not winning tournaments too
I'm quite certain that even if England actually win the whole tournament, Southgate will still be called a poor manager. They'll point to his incredible luck in terms of the teams he had to face en route, and the flashes of brilliance by inividual players that saved the team and got them over the line. England under Southgate never played and never will play smooth flowing, attacking football like Spain or Germany in this tournament. And of course, they'll point to Southgate's record against the top teams.
Greece in 2004 did not limp through their group nor were they a rizla paper away from going out considering they had guaranteed their qualification after 2 games and literally could not be knocked out. Their game against Russia was completely meaningless for their progression.
The top teams are playing with real pressure & an expectation to win, the minnows are playing with complete freedom with supporters just happy they’re participating, hence you’d rather watch Georgia or Austria than sit through 90 minutes of France or England at the moment
It’s possible but you’re clutching at straws here Rory lad. We’ll fall short because of Southgate and his tactics and not learning from his mistakes. Switzerland will beat us
Short answer is yes they will and I been saying this as horrendous as England have been during this tournament I do see them winning the Euros this year luck seems to be on their side
Tbh I’m not fussed I think we put too much pressure on the team to play perfect football We’re unbeaten, only 2 goals conceded We only need to score one more Cmon England
There’s a slight difference in not being entertaining and playing badly. Having 2 shots on target a game and defending 10 men behind the ball in the first half and side ways passing. I don’t care about entertainment but playing poorly in insulting with the calibre of players we have at our disposal especially if the fittest and in form ones are on the bench. If we win I won’t care about our performances if we get there by scraping through against weaker teams.
I do agree that the best performing team doesn’t always win but look at the quality of the other teams and none of the teams he mentioned were playing as badly as England. Like look at the Netherlands at the moment scoring goals for fun, Spain and Germany have been unstoppable so far and I get it France haven’t scored a goal so far this tournament but they have only conceded one goal all tournament and that was a retaken Penalty.
If you think Argentina didn’t play great football in 2022 you simply know absolutely nothing about the sport or you’re driven by hate. Embarrassing statement
There are those who say that if England win, it will be in spite of Southgate and not because of him. England isn't going to win the tournament playing dazzling football, it will be The Southgate way - boring!
Have we played badly or have we just not delivered the final product? 1 shot and waiting til the 95th minute is hard to get excited about however we could very easily change the tide with providing more shots on target. More % chance to score and gets the fans on side. I know it looks poor but if we had the same playstyle with more chances but were 2 or 3 up you'd be satisfied. Some stats from the tournament paint the picture. Possession % - 3rd Passing Accuracy - 4th Clean sheets - Joint 3rd Goals - Lowest still remaining in the tournament Attempts - Lowest still remaining in the tournament Attempts on target - Lowest still remaining in the tournament (England have 12 shots on target vs Germany's 28 and Spain's 29). This has to change, we can't keep playing with no chances created, we need to be more direct and create shots on target. It makes no difference if we have the best finisher in football, if you're only able to fashion 1 chance a game vs another teams 5/6 you're playing slim odds. For perspective.... Denmark - Nearly took the lead vs Germany and would have changed the game entirely. VAR saved and sank them, gave a good fight. Slovenia - Took Portugal to penalties Slovakia - beat Belgium We can only back our boys and hope that we can play more directly.
Next opponent is the Swiss, which WILL beat England if they dont step up then pribably comes the Netherlands, who WILL beat England if they dont step up England aint winning it this way
watching games but not watching because we do anything else but watch just to want to get through to a final and win it... thats where we are at.. what is the equivalent of that?
Argentina 22 Italy 21 France 18 Germany 14 Spain 12 Spain 10 Spain 08 All played Great Football…. Using the 2 outliers in Greece & Portugal DOES NOT disprove the rule! Argentina Played Great Football!
Maybe part of the problem is our media we’ve hyped up all these players which has built an expectation, let’s not forget the England squad is probably a billion pounds worth of players, fans pay good money to support them I think it’s only fair to expect a decent standard of football is a goal or 2 to much 2 ask.
You seem to be framing and justifying our bad performances by looking at other shit teams and the rare occasions they've pulled something out. This is quite a cowardly video. Call it out for what it is.
So instead of Southgate out now it's " We are shit but we can play shit and still win with the occasional moments of brilliance" I mean if we do win it, it'll be really ugly, probably undeserved n very lucky, it has to be with the way they play.
The pinacle of being a fan is beating Brazil 7:1 in their own country in a semifinal of a world cup with 5 goals in the first 28 minutes and then go on to win 1:0 against Messis Argentina by a wonder goal in the 113th minute. All that while beating Ronaldos Portugal 4:1 and one of ur biggest rivals France 1:0 so 4 big nations, 3 of them under the most succescfull nations in world football. Germany 2014 were the best ever world cup winners.
Yes they can, as teams like Greece 04 did as u mentioned. However as a fan I would not remember this team as fondly like previous teams. Greece had a system to suit their players, whereas England are playing badly due to mismanagement. Regardless Southgate out please.
If England only have 3 more shots on target for the rest of the tournament and win the next 3 games 1-0, I won't care at all! Buuuut I don't see us getting passed Switzerland.
Greece in 2004 is an interesting example. To add to what @yorick18 says below, another difference between that Greek team and the current England team is that Greece had a clear system and approach (thanks to their brilliant coach, Otto Renhagel) that they played consistently in every game. It was dull, negative and boring according to many observers at the time but they played it very well and thwarted the efforts of every opponent (apart from Russia) to break it down. In its own way, it was good football and I remember cheering and clapping them when the final whistle went and they'd beaten Portugal to take the trophy.
Much truth. I personally didn't enjoy the tournament, but sincere congratulations to that side. I think it really worked because of lack of over hyped players and their egos. As many people have said, it's difficult to name many of that Greek team.
Englands best No9 is Cole Palmer Hes got it all. Pace, dribbling, positioning, finishing, IQ.... Better than Kane if he gets the chance. Hes a dream for Bellingham and Foden
Playing well does matter, I don't England to win. The Manager is the problem, last thing I want to see is the most inept England Manager wining something he and the team don't deserve. It in my view brings shame on the tournament
If a good side goes 1 up against this iteration of England I don't see us coming back into it. Sidegate doesn't have cojones to make game changing subs when it counts. He's plan A or bust.
i dont think rory understands the meaning of context.His first example Greece was nowhere the level of team of this england team and who expected greece to win.Portugal was having a bad group stage in 2016 but in the knockouts ronaldo showed up and the team started playing great.I dont even want to cite the argentina one because they dominated evryteam even in their loss against saudi arabia.England have looked terrible and the swiss team are going to beat them easily if they continue to play with the wrong players and tactics
The problem with TH-cam England fans is they root against southgate just because he doesnt play like their FM career. They rather be proven right than England win a trophy
Of course, England could very well win Euro 2024. Apart from that the phrase “England plays poor” is not entirely correct. This is to some extent an aesthetic and subjective assessment. Yet for all that! 1. England conceded only 2 goals. 2. England allowed only 3.3 Хg for conceded goals. It the 6th best result in the tournament. 3. England are in TOP-3 teams for ball possession. Besides some fans DO LIKE the way the English squad plays. In terms of literature and cinema, England is "a brilliant anti-hero". This has its own poetry and paradox. I never rooted for England before. But this summer I root for it like hell.
You were mentioning Greece 2004 as an example, but the difference between that squad and this England squad is that nobody expected them to came far. That achievement was massive, but you may expect more from this England side. I won’t say that they should win this tournament, but they need to play better.
Very fair assessment on England that, progressing through a tournament is excellent, but we should be expecting far better displays from this group of players.
my man try to give himself fales hope after watching 4 trash game from England lmao
The only problem with playing ugly and winning is that the real emotion is only when you win the whole thing. Otherwise it's just horrible. As a Frenchman I should know.
I’d still take it 😂
France have been getting by with some miracles this tournament aren’t they? People are talking England this, Bellingham that, script this. I think the script dictates that France win this thing without scoring one goal. History
No you don't, France is literally one of the teams that cannot say it.
Despite this Euros and even include it look how many chances you had on the target and the amazing build up plays, England is absolutely garbage and it's not even close.
I rather qualify to the quarter with some purely own goals rather then watch this England, They are not only playing bad... they getting owned simple as that.
The pinacle of being a fan is beating Brazil 7:1 in their own country in a semifinal of a world cup with 5 goals in the first 28 minutes and then go on to win 1:0 against Messis Argentina by a wonder goal in the 113th minute. All that while beating Ronaldos Portugal 4:1 and France 1:0 so 4 big nations, 3 of them under the biggest nations in world football. Germany 2014 were the best ever world cup winners.
@@BiggestChungus21 France look nowhere as near vulnerable at the back than England do. And the calibre of opposition they have played is far greater than what England have faced.
I can give you one simple and most important reason why playing well necessary for winning championships is. You simply won't win consistently if you are not creating a lot of high quality chances. The only thing that makes it easier is you don't have to play a lot of games to win this trophy, basically 4 wins in a row and you can win it all. Not compareable to a champions league or championship.
The issue is if you play entertaining football and lose, at least you were entertained. If you play boring football and lose you are left with nothing at all.
agreed
Calling Argentina average has got to be one of the most delusional worst takes I’ve ever heard. They were undefeated over 36 games before they lost to Saudi and won Copa America before going into the World Cup.
Go cry about it
England will be coming home on Saturday night if they play as poorly as they have,the Swiss will roll them over
More teams win big tournaments playing well than badly
Brazil 1994 - Great Football
Germany 1996 - Good Football
France 1998 - Good Football
France 2000 - Good Football
Brazil 2002 - Great Football
Greece 2004 - Dull Football
Italy 2006 - Dull Football
Spain 2008 - Good Football
Spain 2010 - Good Football
Spain 2012 - Great Football
Germany 2014 - Good Football
Portugal 2016 - Dull Football
France 2018 - Good Football
Italy 2020 - Mixed Football
Argentina 2022 - Mixed Football
Argentina played good, not sure what you azzwipes are smoking. And if you're going to refer to the group stages you are 100 % wrong on a bunch of the other teams.
You forgot the greatest team of all - Brazil, 1970! Braziliant!
"His naïve positivity is laughable. There are only a few teams in the past few decades are able to win with dull football. That doesn't mean this rubbish England team will be able to do it."
I'm sorry, you took Argentina didn't play well in the world cup,?
Except against Saudi Arabia, they were quite good.
They scored 3 against France in final, whereas England has scored 3 in 3 matches till now
If u think Argentina didn’t play god football in the World Cup then this sport is not for you or you’re driven by hate
The Argentina example is not true. Besides the loss to Saudi they played well. The dominated every team they played against but the problem was they were not able tonput teams away and they would concede a goals late in the game. Poland, Mexico and Croatia were dominated. Netherlands, France and Australia weren't good either, they just happened to score goals late to put pressure on Argentina
And they probably dominanted Saudi even more than the other teams. Just don’t score and suddenly conceded.
Argentina played very poorly. They would have never won that Qatar winter tournament if it wasn't for the constant help of the referees. Shameful.
The reality is that no team can be good in a national tournament. However, the amount of penalties were crucial in Argentinas run. You can say they deserved those but getting penalties itself is a helping hand as scoring from openplay in national tournament is hard af. Some of those were 50/50 calls and could've gone either way. Argentina got the most of those imo.
@@jalv1987 Aaahhhwww was it rigged yeah? Was it all a set up? Poor boy. You need a hug? Still crying about referees and penalties? Aahwww that’s cute. I wish you a lot of luck with your pain and I really hope you will recover from this.
Argentina played well enough but you can't say they had convincing world cup run while also having the most pens in world cup history. Many of them in crucial matches too
Argentina was average? Compared to who? They demolished Croatia, they dominated France. One of the most well deserved WC champion
Dominated France? Wth 😂😂😂 Yeah they dominated them so much that they needed penalties to win
@@LeonardH.for 80 minutes it was all one sided he means.
dude really compare 1 average game from Argentina to 4 consecutive rubbish games from England . just laughable. typical English fan
helped by the refs and qatar .. argentinia had to win ...otherwise ...
playing bad against a crap side you can still win. Playing bad against a good side your going out.
Football is meant to be entertainment. If everyone played like england I would watch another sport.
Results are secondary fans want to be entertained
Agree, I think all sport is about entertainment, release from the norm.
If by miracle, England went on to win the tournament the games so far leave dissatisfaction.
"result are secondary"
Tell that to every football fans in TH-cam who hate Tottenham for it, or people bashing City for yeara for no UCL
What was the measure villa Nottingham Newcastle being 'bigger' than Tottenham again? Past trophies
Only 3 times i can remember a team won a major cup competition where they played horrible football and lucked their way to a win,
Chelsea 2012
Liverpool 2005
Greece 2004.
It doesn't happen often. To win the biggest honours, you have to step up in the latter stages. You can play shit in the group stages, but you have to step up from Quarters onwards.
Switzerland and Netherlands will beat us if we dont step the fuck up.
There's a difference. They were brilliant defensively. England look very open at the back. A team with more quality in the final 3rd than Slovakia would have punished them.
United fa cup 2024???
Portugal played shit and won
Portugal 2016
add in Portugal in 2016
To an England fan, being 3-0 up is less stressful than being 1-0 up. Over the years, even before Southgate, we've seen England team get knocked out after sitting back on 1-0 leads and inviting pressure, which is on the minds of every England fan. I think the desire for attractive, attacking football is less about fans wanting to be entertained, and more about "not stressing us out" 😂
You think Argentina didn’t play well? Well there’s one more clueless English TH-camr I’ll never watch again.
Yes Rory it still can come home,tournaments like these require players who know the moment and can take advantage of that moment, players who can create nothing out of something.We saw that in Slovakia game in Jude and Kane
England will be lucky to reach the final let alone win it when being this awful. They have scammed their way to face Switzerland after surviving against Slovakia.
In the game against Slovakia, I noticed that the gap between the backline and the line in front of it was really wide. The Slovakian players were taking advantage of that space, slowing down and disrupting your build-up play significantly. It was frustrating to watch such a drawn-out build-up. As a suggestion from a German fan: how about pushing the backline further up to close the gap between the lines?
Argentina dominated every game they played in the World Cup don’t compare them to this horrible England team
yes specially against saudi arabie ..
It’s mad how you implied that Argentina didn’t play well at the beginning of the video
To win a tournament, you need to be defensively sound. Greece in 2004, Portugal in 2016, Italy 2021. They didn't look like conceding in the knock out stages. England look fraile
I was thinking about this, asking myself do I care if we win and we are awful. Turns out I do care a bit which surprises me. I want to see great football, not endure the next three games
Have you seen switzerland?If England doesnt play a lot better there is big chances they dont even reach next stage.The amount of space they give in defence to their rivals is scary.
This question is too far off. In the first place, England cannot even go past the Qtr final playing this level of football.
Italy played fluent football in 2021, not that long ago. 😂
If all teams played like England, football would've died long ago. Spain is an example to follow, even if they lose.
Agree, England cannot win playing this way
What's interesting is that before being successful for the last 25 years, France reacted a bit like England and English fans : WE NEED TO PLAY WELL TO WIN ! We were the beautiful losers. We were the romantic losers with great talents : Platini, Giresse, Tigana, Papin, Cantona, Ginola ; all great players who never achieved anything in World Cups. And frankly here in France we thought it would never change. Then came along that horrible France-Bulgaria game in 1993 which triggered the French football revolution in terms of approach. Jacquet and Deschamps came along and managed to convince everyone here that "playing well" is subjective and doesn't really mean anything. What's "playing well" ? Looking slick in midfield ? Looking great in defense ? Deschamps isn't really French in terms of football. He was a typical Italian midfield player of the early 90's, and as a coach, he's a great Italian coach of the 90's. His football approach is rational and simple : playing well is winning. That's it. It's a cup competition over 4 weeks, you're not here to develop any kind of revolutionary way of playing ; it's about the group, the unity, sticking together and fighting to death on the day. Deschamps sees the pitch as a battlefield. France hasn't scored in open play yes, but we do create a lot of chances and more importantly we are rock solid and didn't concede one goal in open play so far. France is all about destroying the opponent by blocking him and rendering him harmless. Ugly, but pure Deschamps. I don't know if we'll win this, but what I do know for certain is that we'll be incredibly hard to beat. If we lose it will probably be on penalties again. Because usually, no matter how, we always find a way.
In fact, since the EURO 2016 final, France has not lost a knockout game in open play ; our only two defeats since were on penalties, 3-3 against Switzerland in 2021, and 3-3 against Argentina in 2022. We won all the other games. Quite crazy to think about actually.
Imagine if England won and you watched it back!
It would be the most boring achievement in the history of sports 🥱
Your argument only holds water if England win the tournament. If they don’t, it’s because Southgate hasn’t used the right players and employed the suitable tactics. Placing your future on luck rather than judgement is a fool’s errand.
I'm desperate to win a tournament but not like this
Exactly ✔️
And this is why internationally people hate England… the entitlement of the fans and the team thinking that they DESERVE to win a trophy as if the sport owed them anything.
I am 54 years old since born I was and still a fan of England. My dream to win one competition only . I think our big problem is we don't have a coach .
Portugal won playing ugly in 2016. Greece in 2004, England fans need to calm down it's international football it's tight and cagey and you have to ride your luck sometimes and stay solid. Everyone said the Slovenia game was a disaster but then they held Portugal for 120 mins.
That’s simply not true. They looked average in several games at Qatar.
One thing England should concentrate on doing is to play better rather than just think of winning. Especially with that group of players.
How many times are we after games gonna go "next time he will surely do better", we've done this for like 10 years
The good news for England is that I don't think they can play that badly so many times, and if they've made it to the quater-finals playing this bad, what will happen when they finally get a good game?
The Argentina example is absolutely and utterly wrong! Maybe they had one or two bad or average games but they were a great TEAM (they did play as a team unified around Messi). Even though they lost to Saudi Arabia, they were still making chances. You really can’t compare 2022 Argentina to England today.
People are getting confused with defending well and playing shite. England are playing shite - they looked very vulnerable against Slovenia especially in the 1st half.
Greece actually did play well because they was playing their tactic to perfection yes it was boring but that was the tactic. There is a difference to playing good football and playing well but obviously you don’t have ball knowledge
I agree. Greece played exactly the way they needed to play to win. It's not like England this tournament intends to play this abysmal. Big difference.
Great video. Winning is all that matters. It is entertaining enough.
One big mistake is made, you talk about playing pretty attacking football and mix it up with playing well.
You need to play well to win, no exceptions. Greece played well when they won, Portugal played well when they won. Etc etc.
They played defensively, but organized and full of dicipline and will to win.
England has showed none of that quality. Sure they can grow into the tournament and play better but it is unlikely they will given the lack of motivation the players showed.
i know none of us were alive then but gernanys first 2 world cups (against hungary and netherlands ) are an example of the best football not winning tournaments too
I'm quite certain that even if England actually win the whole tournament, Southgate will still be called a poor manager. They'll point to his incredible luck in terms of the teams he had to face en route, and the flashes of brilliance by inividual players that saved the team and got them over the line. England under Southgate never played and never will play smooth flowing, attacking football like Spain or Germany in this tournament. And of course, they'll point to Southgate's record against the top teams.
And those people would be right. If we win it will be pure luck, down to the players and in spute of southgate
Greece in 2004 did not limp through their group nor were they a rizla paper away from going out considering they had guaranteed their qualification after 2 games and literally could not be knocked out. Their game against Russia was completely meaningless for their progression.
The top teams are playing with real pressure & an expectation to win, the minnows are playing with complete freedom with supporters just happy they’re participating, hence you’d rather watch Georgia or Austria than sit through 90 minutes of France or England at the moment
With a little bit of luck, we can make it through the night! 🎉
It’s possible but you’re clutching at straws here Rory lad. We’ll fall short because of Southgate and his tactics and not learning from his mistakes. Switzerland will beat us
By your logic then even Turkiye would win the Euros.
Short answer is yes they will and I been saying this as horrendous as England have been during this tournament I do see them winning the Euros this year luck seems to be on their side
Don’t forget spain lost their opening game against the Swiss at the 2010 World Cup as well
Tbh I’m not fussed
I think we put too much pressure on the team to play perfect football
We’re unbeaten, only 2 goals conceded
We only need to score one more
Cmon England
I think luck can only take you so far, probably semi's
There’s a slight difference in not being entertaining and playing badly. Having 2 shots on target a game and defending 10 men behind the ball in the first half and side ways passing. I don’t care about entertainment but playing poorly in insulting with the calibre of players we have at our disposal especially if the fittest and in form ones are on the bench. If we win I won’t care about our performances if we get there by scraping through against weaker teams.
I do agree that the best performing team doesn’t always win but look at the quality of the other teams and none of the teams he mentioned were playing as badly as England. Like look at the Netherlands at the moment scoring goals for fun, Spain and Germany have been unstoppable so far and I get it France haven’t scored a goal so far this tournament but they have only conceded one goal all tournament and that was a retaken Penalty.
If you think Argentina didn’t play great football in 2022 you simply know absolutely nothing about the sport or you’re driven by hate. Embarrassing statement
There are those who say that if England win, it will be in spite of Southgate and not because of him. England isn't going to win the tournament playing dazzling football, it will be The Southgate way - boring!
Yes it does. People will point out Greece and Portugal but you still have a much higher chance if you playing well than if you play shit….
Good team would have tuned us over Sunday . That effort from half way line is a a goal with a top player
You have to play well in at least one or two games (usually the last two) and as long as as captain boring is in charge.... that ain't happening.
What matters is putting the ball in the other teams net at least one more than they can every time
Have we played badly or have we just not delivered the final product? 1 shot and waiting til the 95th minute is hard to get excited about however we could very easily change the tide with providing more shots on target. More % chance to score and gets the fans on side. I know it looks poor but if we had the same playstyle with more chances but were 2 or 3 up you'd be satisfied.
Some stats from the tournament paint the picture.
Possession % - 3rd
Passing Accuracy - 4th
Clean sheets - Joint 3rd
Goals - Lowest still remaining in the tournament
Attempts - Lowest still remaining in the tournament
Attempts on target - Lowest still remaining in the tournament (England have 12 shots on target vs Germany's 28 and Spain's 29).
This has to change, we can't keep playing with no chances created, we need to be more direct and create shots on target. It makes no difference if we have the best finisher in football, if you're only able to fashion 1 chance a game vs another teams 5/6 you're playing slim odds.
For perspective....
Denmark - Nearly took the lead vs Germany and would have changed the game entirely. VAR saved and sank them, gave a good fight.
Slovenia - Took Portugal to penalties
Slovakia - beat Belgium
We can only back our boys and hope that we can play more directly.
I hope so. Just realized i had England as champs instead of France in our company bet (forgot to change) :)
Will have to cheer for you lot now :)
Bayern Munich have agreed a deal to sign Fulham midfielder Joao Palhinha in a deal worth £47.4m.
And who cares when he’s talking about England 😂😂
You to win it first Rory.
Next opponent is the Swiss, which WILL beat England if they dont step up
then pribably comes the Netherlands, who WILL beat England if they dont step up
England aint winning it this way
watching games but not watching because we do anything else but watch just to want to get through to a final and win it... thats where we are at.. what is the equivalent of that?
Spain will win euro 2024. Una cerveza por favor
they have to pass first germany and this will be a hard hurdle..
Argentina 22
Italy 21
France 18
Germany 14
Spain 12
Spain 10
Spain 08
All played Great Football….
Using the 2 outliers in Greece & Portugal DOES NOT disprove the rule!
Argentina Played Great Football!
there were precedence so it could happen again
don’t forget Denmark 92’
Maybe part of the problem is our media we’ve hyped up all these players which has built an expectation, let’s not forget the England squad is probably a billion pounds worth of players, fans pay good money to support them I think it’s only fair to expect a decent standard of football is a goal or 2 to much 2 ask.
You seem to be framing and justifying our bad performances by looking at other shit teams and the rare occasions they've pulled something out. This is quite a cowardly video. Call it out for what it is.
So instead of Southgate out now it's " We are shit but we can play shit and still win with the occasional moments of brilliance"
I mean if we do win it, it'll be really ugly, probably undeserved n very lucky, it has to be with the way they play.
If England got a proper quality coach tomorrow, what players in this squad would still be here?
The Netherlands is absolutely going to destroy england in the semis if switserland can't do it
The pinacle of being a fan is beating Brazil 7:1 in their own country in a semifinal of a world cup with 5 goals in the first 28 minutes and then go on to win 1:0 against Messis Argentina by a wonder goal in the 113th minute. All that while beating Ronaldos Portugal 4:1 and one of ur biggest rivals France 1:0 so 4 big nations, 3 of them under the most succescfull nations in world football. Germany 2014 were the best ever world cup winners.
We just want our players to play to their potential. They are not doing this. They are less than the sum of their parts.
I just want England to defeat the Swiss, then its probably the Netherlands next. Will have a blast because I am living in the Netherlands.
This is one of the worst takes ive ever heard from Rory.... all over the place...
Yes they can, as teams like Greece 04 did as u mentioned. However as a fan I would not remember this team as fondly like previous teams. Greece had a system to suit their players, whereas England are playing badly due to mismanagement. Regardless Southgate out please.
yeah, really good idea, with a team of world class players, to play like Greece.
If England only have 3 more shots on target for the rest of the tournament and win the next 3 games 1-0, I won't care at all! Buuuut I don't see us getting passed Switzerland.
Greece in 2004 is an interesting example. To add to what @yorick18 says below, another difference between that Greek team and the current England team is that Greece had a clear system and approach (thanks to their brilliant coach, Otto Renhagel) that they played consistently in every game. It was dull, negative and boring according to many observers at the time but they played it very well and thwarted the efforts of every opponent (apart from Russia) to break it down. In its own way, it was good football and I remember cheering and clapping them when the final whistle went and they'd beaten Portugal to take the trophy.
Much truth. I personally didn't enjoy the tournament, but sincere congratulations to that side. I think it really worked because of lack of over hyped players and their egos. As many people have said, it's difficult to name many of that Greek team.
Englands best No9 is Cole Palmer
Hes got it all. Pace, dribbling, positioning, finishing, IQ.... Better than Kane if he gets the chance. Hes a dream for Bellingham and Foden
With Palmer hes Kane/Toney x 5 all in 1
Playing well does matter, I don't England to win. The Manager is the problem, last thing I want to see is the most inept England Manager wining something he and the team don't deserve. It in my view brings shame on the tournament
Luck isn't a tactic and we all know when it matters Southgate will freeze on the side lines AGAIN
If a good side goes 1 up against this iteration of England I don't see us coming back into it.
Sidegate doesn't have cojones to make game changing subs when it counts.
He's plan A or bust.
Out of all the teams not playing well this Euro England with the least chance of winning it 🤣
There is only one thing they judge us on only one thing they remember and it isn't how we play the game, winning is everything
@mdbatho why are you referring to man city? when I'm on about England and how winning in sport is everything
@mdbatho any need for the swearing?
I disagree strongly. Playing well is more important than winning.
Ghey
Doesn’t matter if u perform good if u can win when playing good
If we want to win the Euros or World Cup get Guardiola as the manager.....
i dont think rory understands the meaning of context.His first example Greece was nowhere the level of team of this england team and who expected greece to win.Portugal was having a bad group stage in 2016 but in the knockouts ronaldo showed up and the team started playing great.I dont even want to cite the argentina one because they dominated evryteam even in their loss against saudi arabia.England have looked terrible and the swiss team are going to beat them easily if they continue to play with the wrong players and tactics
The problem with TH-cam England fans is they root against southgate just because he doesnt play like their FM career.
They rather be proven right than England win a trophy
Argentina played great in 2022 world cup ...rory stop embarrassing yourself
dirties players
Portugal 2016, Greece 2004 and Argentina 2022 were all piss poor.
Can you imagine how England was then
did this man just said that argentina was average? lmao
Englands games was the most dead games I’ve watched this tournament I’m surprised we are still in it.
Greece got "Souv-lucky" 🤭 in 2004.
Of course, England could very well win Euro 2024. Apart from that the phrase “England plays poor” is not entirely correct. This is to some extent an aesthetic and subjective assessment.
Yet for all that!
1. England conceded only 2 goals.
2. England allowed only 3.3 Хg for conceded goals. It the 6th best result in the tournament.
3. England are in TOP-3 teams for ball possession.
Besides some fans DO LIKE the way the English squad plays. In terms of literature and cinema, England is "a brilliant anti-hero". This has its own poetry and paradox. I never rooted for England before. But this summer I root for it like hell.
Own Goal for golden boot of the tournament 😂👍🏽
So you're suggesting Argentina won the WC without playing well?😂😂
Yes, Netherlands dominated those frauds
He’s saying they started badly and looked like a poor team, before going on to win.
I can’t see England changing with the muppet Southgate in charge
I’m convinced bro don’t watch football