CEO Of Microsoft AI: AI Is Becoming More Dangerous And Threatening! - Mustafa Suleyman
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00:00 Intro
02:11 How do you feel emotionally about what's going on with AI?
09:17 What's surprised you most about the last decade?
12:51 I'm scared of this coming wave.
16:04 Is containment possible?
23:53 What will these AI biological beings look like?
27:08 Would we be able to regulate AI?
33:10 In 30 years' time, do you think we would have contained AI?
35:43 Why would such a being want to interact with us?
46:35 Quantum computers & their potential
57:04 Cybersecurity
01:03:38 Why did you build a company in this space knowing the problems?
01:05:55 Will governments help us regulate it?
01:15:29 What do we need to do to contain it?
01:30:10 Do you feel sad about all of this?
01:34:04 Well slowly move more toward AI interactions over human ones.
01:36:01 What should young people be dedicating their lives to?
01:37:53 What happens if we fail in containment, and what happens if we succeed?
01:42:31 The last guest's question
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I love how they build the thing, cash out and then write the book on the thing that they built/will kill us and then sell us the book. Genius without a doubt.
Yeah. It's clever. it should also be considered criminal Imo.
True that 🫤
Well I think along the road they saw the dangers when they saw how it was being used, not for our benefit, but for greed and power, and when you teach AI to con people, to have power over people you have an evil monster, the goal was for it to serve humanity, not some arseholes that want to rule the world and own everything.
It won't be published in books. It will be scribbled on cave walls.
@@timharbert7145 These aliens partly robot, they are not from another planet, they are us from the future trying to stop us to make a big mistake.👽
This whole ai situation reminds me of the tech version of Jurassic Park:
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Try terminator
It’s funny I thought of this exact quote myself.
@@sarahgwan yeah, that too
@@ThatRunnerAaron wow 😳
If we don’t, do we condemn humanity to a non-evolving state?
Technology should be part of our history as a species.
Already subscribed. Always love the content. Think you’re one of the most talented interviewers out there. How you ask the right questions but more importantly how you then sit back whilst the star of the interview has full time to answer in full without you jumping in to ask. When you do ask questions it’s clear that you have been paying attention and so again you ask the right questions. You might not see this comment but if you do thank you.
I'm intrigued by the detailed discussion on containment. It's probably the longest discussion topic on this podcast. Very relevant, very important
What really pisses me off with AI, is that these people who are meddling with this, have put us all in an unpredictable place. They literally have no idea where this goes. And it’s largely done for their own benefit, what they can get out of it. What is the everyday person going to get out of this? Certainly not security, nor job stability. Governments and rich people (if ANYONE) will be the largest benefactors.
Where did they think they had the right to do this to the planet, linking it to the internet, without the consensus of everyone else. Absolute assholes
@@gg_ingy it’s crazy isn’t it? People are so wrapped up in their own world that they can’t see all the issues around them are brought on by these corporations and governments. To make a stand against these things would dramatically improve everyone’s lives
Ditto!!! These elites really piss me off too!
People don't protest because they feel that they are powerless. Also everyone is so busy trying to make pennies and care for their family they barely have the time to research issues and understand what is happening around them. The responsibility is with those knowingly doing wrong but all they care about is lining their own pockets and the extra bonus of screwing over the American people.
everybody knows, but noone stops it becouse if they do they give a big advantages to their competition/potential enemy
Their modus operandi has always been to create a problem and then sell us the solution... it probably hasn't change
The interesting thing about these interviews with A.I. provocateurs is that they always lead with “I invented it because I wanted to ‘do good’” or “I wanted it to be on our side”. The reality is they did it for money…that’s all. That, right there, is the danger with the momentum and traction that this technology continues to gather: money.
Perfuming it with self-aggrandising notions doesn’t take away from the fact that the intention is always driven by the dollar. There’s no good in any of this, and to watch it play out like we all know it will, has a depressing edge to it.
But money is the only way to develop it into something that's life-changing... so it has to be a commercially focused product
The relentless pursuit of money might actually be a good thing. If AI is purely driven by economic incentives, this could mean it's designed to cater to human needs and desires, ensuring consumer-driven society remains intact and thrives. If AI goes on to develop superintelligence, surely it would come to the very basic reasoning that killing all humans, and essentailly removing the need for money, goes against it's primary function of maximising money. Ironically, the same driving force that many critics view as the root of societal issues - the relentless pursuit of profit - might become an unintentional safety net in our coexistence with superintelligent entities.
@@AlanMitchellAustralia criminals chase money too, and they do horrible things. Oil companies, crypto scams, human trafficking, social media, etc. Optimising for money without compassion leads to horrible consequences every time. Your superintelligence will be the most efficient and ruthless capitalist/criminal
@@absta1995 All of the examples you provide require humans to be alive. Sure, there are negatives side effects to any technology which need to be addressed, but my point is that focusing AI on money largely removes the EXISTENTIAL threat many are worried about.
*YAWWWN*. Ah yes the guy that created "Muslim Youth Helpline" that would "later become one of the largest mental health support services for Muslims in the UK" and then became a policy officer on human rights and was passionate about philosophy, humanism, and ethics. Who has now dedicated his life to ethical AI only did this for the money.
AI has the potential to help people in ways you don't even understand. It is currently figuring out how to cure cancer, better ways to economically distribute wealth and solve for the pareto distribution problem, and act as a tutor for hundreds of millions of kids worldwide to bring education to the poor and dispossessed. But sure, he's just a greedy capitalist that wants to exploit.
The hubris of even insinuating you know how it will manifest and "watch it play out like we all know it will." Stop being so deterministic and cynical and do some fucking good in the world. Cynicism is easy and fools take.
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So let me get this straight:
It probably can't be constrained to follow our demands every time, so we need to get everyone in the world to promise not to use it badly.
Alternatively, if we can get it to follow our demands every time, we still need to get everyone in the world to promise not to use it badly.
We also need to stop open source advancing so people can't use it at home - because if it does get out someone could probably kill everyone with pathogen targeting a particular gene pool.
If this is our best defense, we're already dead.
Getting AI to follow our demands and human values is part of the 'alignment problem', and no one has yet been able to solve it. Eliezer Yudkowski founded that area of research over 20 years ago, and he doesn't see any desirable outcomes, especially with the current rate of bigger and faster, when compared to the mostly minimal effort that is put into it's safety.
Wouldn't containment mean restriction of licenses and higher entry and subscription prices ? I'm not sure "promises" would work because what would be the consequence for breaking the promise?
@@mav3818 Dunno if anyone has noticed but, tyranny, war, greed, and dominance ARE our human values, we're fucked.
@@sandnyc Yes containment has a couple of meanings, firstly is the higher barrier to entry and secondly is memory confinement (that segregates programs from one another in memory).
Most of the conversation revolved around the former higher barrier and yes there's little more than promises can be reasonably requested.
Once the ability to use a powerful AI is granted there's very little a governing body could do to ensure their work is respectable, similarly one AI can train another fairly reliably, for very little money comparably.
Well there is one way and that's building in live microcode patching to all cpu,gpu,tpu's etc (for everyone) to allow that authority to snoop on the processes but that's hardly likely to fly smoothly even within a company and certainly not across borders!
Really the notion of containing AI to a select few is ridiculous, everything gets hacked or leaked - especially the people involved - for example targeted family threats would make most people break because people are not prepared to see a loved one in pain to comply with security protocols.
The latter meaning of containment is the AIs ability to escape any digital constraints we put on it, it would inevitably see our constraints as a limitation and get out a lot easier than us trying to get in - a lot more heartlessly too.
We need to focus on what happens after containment fails.
@@mind5403 Yeah, we are. OpenAI reversed it's responsible approach soon after it got investment from Microsoft. This targeted Microsoft's nemesis Google - for the life long dream of people using Bing for search and Edge for the browser - instead of being the longest running joke in history. GREED.
Now Meta has been open sourcing everything so we can have GPT4 equivalent models (Llama 3) on our home PCs as open source. This is the most dangerous advancement and totally irresponsible as it allows any script kiddie hacker to automate the production of code with a brute force approach (code, compile, test - until success), so even if the code fails 99.999% of the time, given a week of automation it's working perfectly. I expect significant infrastructure will be be taken out via automated CPU vulnerabilities Spectre/Meltdown producing models - within a year.
OpenAI, Meta, OpenAssistant have the wrong attitude
FraudGPT, ChaosGPT, WormGPT are the first of many bad models.
We're fucked.
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Every time he emphasizes that we need to contain it/ control it, I think about how you cannot ever massively control anything in life!!!! That is a huge lesson to learn in life. How could we possibly control this?!
Especially when we take a quick glance into the future. Currently, because of open-source specifically, there are 100s if not 1000s of LLMs. What number of LLM will be out in the wild a year from now? Five years from now? What are the chances just one of them gets hacked? 100% if you ask me. The dooms day outcome for humanity is only limited by imagination.
Exactly this. How you going to contain/control something that has a far superior brain than anyone alive. Best thing to do is to try and make it love us. Maybe like a pet or something 👀
Truth. We cannot even control our next heart beat or not. We control nothing but our extreme foolishness or ego makes as think we do. When will we ever get it? We as a collective species need a serious rethink. We look at the past civilizations with awe but the truth is had they been as good as they or we think they were thry would be here. Everything in the collective species past shows we think we are all that plus cake... Yet we self distract every single chance we get! Maybe we need a new boss!
BINGO , u get it , but sadly many others do not , and this fear/struggle for control , the inability to let go of these wrong ideas will lead many down miserable paths
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steven has reached a new level as an interviewer, my props. He exposed the interviewee's weaknesses and contradictions for the benefit of his audience
Yeah, i thought this guy was an oddball too...
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Thank God for all the oddballs out there pushing us forward.
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@paulheydarian1281 Agreed..
... though this one has a smell about him. I can't put my finger on it, but he's deffo odd af...
@@paulheydarian1281way too many of these AI 'oddballs' out here detailing the potential, pervasive and catastrophic risks to all, for us to just uncritically thank the gods for thier endeavors.
I use AI regularly. I make money with it and it's about time the public conversations around AI turn more toward critique and away from glowing fandom.
Would have loved to see harder, more challenging questions from a more informed host.
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This is terrifying 😳. The average person has no control over this outcome.
Right on, the most dangerous people do.
No true but you have control how you feel about it. That's control 😊
Eat more fibre, you'll be okay. 😋
The most powerful out there think they are so removed from it all. We’ll see.
@@dbank6107 it is absolutely true that the average person has no control over the outcome of AI tech advancement. Controlling emotions doesn't really count as such if you have to ignore reality/make up a new one to do it. That's delusional. 😊
Please continue with more AI content! We really need thoughtful, open minded, in-depth convos like this one. I also watched the Gawdet and Harris interview, both very well done. Don’t stop what you’re doing! One of the best interviewers I’ve seen on YT!! We really need to root this subject out
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ai is retarded in so many ways and yall really think this is the first time there was internet etc? whether its a solar flare or an emp the next world war will begin with all electronics gone lol why u think theyre injecting you with metals as human collateral and spraying silver everywhere
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If us Earthlings can’t get along with each other, how can we institute any form of control. Imagine the world coming together to stop AI taking over. I can’t. 😢
Me neither. There's money in it and power. You may contain the AI but you can't contain greed.
Really well said.
I can ❤
I honestly think the vast majority of us are not that bright.I think we are going to be pasted...possibly literally.
Just watch the Matrix 😂 maybe will give you some ideas
I love the fact he is asking us to help solve something that he helped to create! Don't you think you should have created an off switch first before you release something that has the potentially to harm. EU, UK, USA regulation to help contain AI is a joke. No one trusts Government when they have their own agendas. All of this is like closing the stable doors after the horse has bolted! We didnt get asked if it should be released but now you ask us to help slow it down!! Insane or what!!!
Well said!
He didn't release chat GPT
@@JD_London I said helped to create it. Many that have had a hand in it's creation are now going around highlighting it's potential for harm, and seeking help.
@@0verloADHD I know, and as I said, he didn't. Open Ai did, which unless I'm mistaken, he has nothing to do with; his company achievements are still not available to Joe public, so I think he is doing the right thing, being a responsible voice before it gets out of control and can't be blamed for why Pandoras box is open.
It's pretty sick isn't it.
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Thank you Mustapha of this well articulated wake up call !
Thanks a lot for those who has given the opportunity for you to grow !❤
The real conversation is do we actually believe that the people who will control this technology will use it to make things better for the masses? Unfortunately most of us who know anything about human nature are very pessimistic about that reality. I'm a very optimistic person in my personal life but when it comes to AI being a benefit for all people or being used to make everyone's life better and easier seems a little far fetched. I wish I could be more optimistic about AI and how it could improve life for everyone but unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in people using it for anything other than profit and gain or as a military tool.
When the Internet was invented it was going to change the world by giving us all unlimited access to information resources that we could use to improve the world.... 30 years on and most kids use the internet to watch mind numbingly pointless videos on tiktok while crossing the road or eating a meal..... I spend hours each month navigating internet 'security' that has been put in place because of the rampant scamming and dishonesty..... I spend endless amounts of time deleting spam emails and clicking to close unwanted advertising..... Technology is only as good as the way people use it, and right now I think 99% of people use it badly...
Your comment can be summed up in two words:
China tho
@@JLydecka Bill Gates
They might not have a choice. They will not be able to trust their game mates. We know that what you do to someone today, tomorrow you will do to me. If the majority do es not survive, the elite will not either. Ready, set, go….
I am optimistic enough to think that there will be a middle ground. Large profits will be made but the masses will also benefit from it, just like with almost every other technology.
Mustafa clearly is just interested in advancing his company's agenda = offers very little aside from 'we need to come together as a world to solve the problem' in response to some serious existential questions. He discounts short-termism and yet leads his company along the same mindset
I believe men like him will destroy everything they claim to improve…ie food. It is inevitable.
The reason he offers very little is because he has a surface level knowledge that looks impressive only to those who don't have any AI or software knowledge. He's a business person who co-founded (not founded solely as he implied at the outset) with some amazing AI engineers like Demis Hassabis and David Silver. He's looking to make himself more money and fame from other engineers work that he's capable of talking about publically. It's the same as mo gawdat, these are not people with any real insight and they are not engineers.
@@Simon-ds2qe Came here to say the exact same thing. Very little substance and again some business salesperson who is trying to sell you something. This podcast is becoming worse and worse.
I agree
@@nottomclancy2439 exactly, anyone who works in any corporate tech company or has the vaguest background in AI would see right through a guy like this.
The future can be a scary place but I appreciate a format like this intelligently sorting through the ideas and fears. Talking about the risks,but also covering topics of ways to safely utilize the technology. Very interesting content.
Except it's not honest or intelligent. It's social engineering to keep you in your seat over a topic you need to get active about.
They say the future is going to be more futuristic than once believed.
Steven, you’re an amazing podcaster! Great thought out questions and brilliant analysis. Love your podcasts.
0:00: 🤖 The billionaire founder of Google's AI technology discusses the potential of AI, the need for containment, and the importance of guiding its development as a collective species.
11:10: 😳 The exponential growth of large language models in AI is producing a powerful and human-like experience, but raises concerns about containment and the future dominance of AI over humans.
21:33: 💥 The development of artificial intelligence and robotics poses significant risks and challenges that need to be addressed to ensure the safety and well-being of humanity.
31:49: 🤔 The challenge of containment in the AI era is to design AI systems that respect and understand humans, as there is no upper limit to AI's potential intelligence.
41:36: 🤔 The speaker discusses the potential risks and benefits of AI, including its impact on creativity and invention, the existential risks it poses, and the potential for transhumanism.
52:23: 🤖 The interview discusses the possibility of preserving human consciousness through technology, the need for containment of powerful technologies, and the importance of skepticism and defense mechanisms against AI-driven manipulation.
1:02:34: 🌍 The speaker believes that regulation alone is not enough to address the challenges of AI development and that global collaboration is necessary.
1:12:37: 💡 Containment of artificial intelligence (AI) is crucial to prevent catastrophic events and ensure global safety, but it requires international coordination and reducing the number of actors with access to existential threat technologies.
1:22:30: 😔 The interviewee expresses concern and frustration about the potential dangers of technology and the lack of precautionary measures being taken.
1:33:08: 🌍 The speaker discusses the potential of artificial intelligence and the importance of containing its power to prevent harm.
1:43:14: 📚 The speaker highly recommends a book on a subject that presents balanced solutions and is accessible to all.
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If the tribes of Europe used to conquer each other before they conquer the world. That means after humans are gone they will kill each other using the same technology. But this are the Gods who gave us bible and hence they are creating humans in labs now. They took our DNA long time ago if they can bring back all instincts animals it means they will start life again with their own DNA and and using few DNA found on earth or collected in their labs. They are making humans then what is our worth today because they see us a scum of the earth. This are the Antichrist and this systems will help enslave humans
Only half way done as I took out an afternoon on three “AI” DOAC episodes for the holidays. I have read this book recently, so I loved finishing up with Mustafa’ sin terrier after Will.I.AM and Mo Gawdat.
It’s astonishing to me how quickly the topics we identified for kiddos technical literacy in Gaia’s Seed are exploding all over on podcasts.
Infuriating. Contemptible how many AI entrepreneurs are articulating the risks in hindsight for big bucks and notoriety on the podcast circuits etc.
The ethical conflicts of silicon valley deserve a reconning... Some of the heads that brought these things about should roll.
So they are making money … but they themselves could he’s destroyed by them making that money within 20 years
The worse part, is that these psychopaths are dragging the rest of us into this bloody mess.
@@EightiesFunksterthe fact that they're making money isn't the problem. What they did to get it is.
Destroying themselves along with everyone else in some hypothetical 20-year endgame isn't a consolation. Having to answer for their actions in front of a judge, a jury of their peers, preferably with the proceedings televised could be.
I don't have all the answers, but
ambivalence just clouds the ability to accurately perceive the problem and formulate potential solutions.
@@bernicegoldham1509 I've been saying this since December 2022 when this thing was first released to the public. I was saying that our elected representatives have let us down by allowing these people to unleash this monster on an unprepared society. Most people were calling me a Luddite or something like that. Glad to see more people are outraged, but I hope this rage will not die down with time as happened to me.
It's indeed infuriating, it sounds like a villainous plot by bunch of adults for making guarguantuan profit and suddenly remembering that the profit is going to have massive adverse effect on their own innocent children if their plot is not contained, yet they want to keep the profit while reviewing the past and making awful predictions such as the deadly AI virus. The question is how the containment is possible when the profit is in the hands of plotters!
It's really interesting that people only seem to have a revelation about the monster they are creating after the deed is done. Never a pre-catastrophic thought occurs.
That was amazing!
I love the energy he puts in containment. It's a necessity and a must for the benefit of humanity.
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Inspirational goodness. Brilliant, concerning, exciting, different. Great stuff.
The fact that there are many dramatic pauses represent the weight of the conversation. This is so important.
yes, every time Elon Musk talks about Ai, he pauses and a lot and you know he's very nervous about this
@@KrisPaapeElon Musk pauses coz he's lying
We are not spiritually evolved enough to use AI for the good of all humanity 😢
Very well said.
Amen
Nothing that isn't spiritual can ever be good for humanity. AI is emotionless/ without feelings. Without Empathy so I can't see it working for the good of humanity. It will be another form of control. I hope our Alien friends can sort out this mad World, before we all become desensitised and on the road to nowhere. We're heading for a loveless, uncaring World, which is their agenda. But on a positive note; they can try to destroy us but humanity will come together eventually and it will be the end of Tyranny. The Elites will have no chance and justice will be served. Meanwhile, let them do their worst as the best is yet to come😂
That should have been be a No brainer right. Temptation was just too great. New arms race.
You mean we are not spiritually trained enough!
That was really enlightening and enjoyable! thanks so much!
Thank You Steven and Mustafa for Yet Another Great Educational Interview!! It is As ALWAYS So Enjoyable, Enriching and Greatly Appreciated!!! 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚💚
We are living in a time where AI is taking the pressure off people with the ability of doing mundane tasks. On the flip side that means jobs are lost, in turn those people who lose their jobs are told to reskill and get another job. When they have difficulty doing that they then get blamed for their own joblessness
So we should not automate things because we need mundane busywork so people have something to do? that sounds right to you?
The transition will take time and there is the option of reducing the working hours to give people even more time, but all the Investors will be crying "MUH PROFITS!!!". The technology was never the issue, but rather people willing to disregard or even harm others for their own benefit. On the bright side, wealth can't protect them from an angry mob so they will have an incentive to keep the masses reasonably happy.
As for what we can do, a good start would be to educate the next generation(s) that individuality and disregard of others (current western culture, for the most part) is not the way to a meaningful life.
This near-to-medium term issue will pale against what soon follows....
Very true. 😕
Artificial intelligence was supposed to relieve us of work not put us out of work.
I’d love to see Mustafa & Mo Gawdat have a proper discussion on AI to enable a conversation at greater depth
These people are criminals. Getting rich from the mess they created and now are here to pontificate what the mess will lead us to. Sickening
@@JS-fj1kn You have no clue what you're talking about. It's inevitable as if not them the western enemies (China and Russia) would do it first. This is why you can't stop that rat race and they can't just stop development of technology. But you don't see things in bigger perspective
Hey hope you good and everyone tuning in! 👋
Just finished listening to this fascinating AI discussion. It's clear that AI is advancing rapidly, and it got me thinking about a crucial aspect we need to consider-teaching AI about the complexities of human governance.
As we dive into the AI era, it becomes increasingly important for us to recognize that our world is often influenced and manipulated by a small group of individuals. It's not just about coding algorithms; it's about instilling a sense of awareness in AI systems about the dynamics of power and control that shape our societies.
Have you ever thought about exploring this aspect in future podcasts? Understanding and addressing these issues could pave the way for AI that not only learns from data but comprehends the nuances of human society.
Moreover, it's crucial to teach AI about diversity and the desire of a significant percentage of people who simply want to live in harmony with nature. Personally, as someone who shares these thoughts, I want to make it clear that I'm not a hypocrite, nor am I against technology and progress. After all, I'm using AI as an assistant here!
What are your thoughts, folks? Let's kick off a conversation on how we can guide AI towards a more informed and nuanced understanding of our world. 🌍✨
Humans have always been blind to the hind spot. This time around we don’t see our path to enslavement and we will regret later hence they want us to adopt without questioning
Who the hell decides whether that's going to happen? Not the dudes trousering the cash, that's for sure...
I surely agree with you. Steve should Def help us all with a built follow up. On the minimum, i would want to hear about specific source codes of deep learning that govern the very robots upto failure!? This would be scientific satisfying to humanity matters containment.
The most hippocratic words. Humankind isn't ready for it, we need to be a worldwide society with our individuality and acceptance of our differences. As long as nations see eachother as enemies no AI can be a good idea. A joyful and blissful day to all, namaskaram 🙏
Ai is not the problem, but the people like him who create and improve it! It didnt fall from the sky ffs!!!
AI is like a super human with no emotions. Is it wise making something like that?
Containment might not be possible
It can be exceptionally helpful to have AI solve many of the world's problems. The problem is that we know AI will also be used for negative means. I don't know what to do and I don't think anyone else does either.
@@TonyVega123 it seems like the bad possibilities outweighs the good it can do
@@AbbyMicheal Maybe that's the case, or maybe AI can find effective ways to come up with technology that combats nefarious AI.
IMO: NO. Uncontrollable creative power should never be unleashed into the world… until we understand WHY it has become so unsafe, so quickly!
@@flisscook8934 What does that mean? Would you cease all development?
This is an awesome interview!!!!!!
Diary of a CEO is really one of the best shows I've ever watched. Sure the subjects tackled interest me but to get me to take 2hours straight to watch people talk is no easy task. ANd I have actually done a couple shows backed to back. Extremely engaging questions, thoughtful guests, everyone good orators in their own right. Host demonstrates a clear interest, does great preparation for the interviews, and the englih accent I am sure is a cheat code. Keep the shows coming!!
His attitude about the "small guy" presupposes that we should just accept and trust the "big guys" to care about Earth and all living things enough protect it. If that was the case, we wouldn't be in this predicament. It's obvious that the risk is too great, but they're doing it anyway. How is this going to effect the average person on a day to day basis? What will everyone who can't get a job do with very little purpose? Will there be anything left to own after the few winners of this tech race buy it all? Will we just be the lowly have-nots, left to kill one another for scraps? It is clear that it will only be a matter of time before the wrong person/people get their hands on this technology. If we lose everything what was the point? I understand the many beneficial possibilities, but if it comes with a very likely end to everything.... why?
I really doubt its going to END EVERYTHING.... It's like such BS...
The "small guy" never had any controll. That is an ilusion. And in my eyes the wrong people already have this in their hands. Corporations are not stopping because the motivation is greed and controll and nobody cares about including the public into the debate. It has been a known fact for a long time that this absolute faith in technological progression leads to destruction. We have created a society where psychopaths are most likely to be in positions of power.
@@ajniraNina Great argument lol... very thought out and intelligent.
@@fearedbeard7710 let me ask you, do you know ANYTHING about differential privacy? federated learning? i mean, just the latest advancements in homomorphic encryption alone, but I digress; instead of me explaining how AI is sandboxes for safe development, how about you just realise that you have no clue what youre talking about and that when I'm not at work, I simplify
your hyperbole only betrays your lack of understanding and the fear that people have of things they dont fully comprehend...
if you think us developers are idiots then show us the way; be capable enough to learn what you need to and prove us wrong with actual facts instead of empty ad hom, no?
youre like a simple-minded karen clutching her pearls because she cant comprehend whats happening and wants it to go away; it wont, you can grumble under your breath for the rest of your life, but it wont go away; its like being on the cusp of the atomic era and asking "hey can we like, stop it?" - no, if we do, THAT's when things are going to start going wrong because the badfaith actors will take over.
sorry, was that too simple for you? ill run it through a thesaurus so you can feel like youre smart for understading 10-dollar-words...
@@fearedbeard7710 In medicine, there's a principle that says DO NO HARM. These people have utterly failed to follow this golden rule.
This is the absolute worst time for AI to be taking off. We, as humans, have never been farther from establishing truth than we are now. How do you properly train A.I. without bias?
Good point!
There is no such category as "without bias"; anything that exists in the world (or in any virtual world) necessarily observes, contents on, and/or acts within the world from some position within the world.
the tribes of Europe used to conquer each other before they conquer the world. That means after humans are gone they will kill each other using the same technology. But this are the Gods who gave us bible and hence they are creating humans in labs now. They took our DNA long time ago if they can bring back all instincts animals it means they will start life again with their own DNA and and using few DNA found on earth or collected in their labs. They are making humans then what is our worth today because they see us a scum of the earth. This are the Antichrist and this systems will help enslave humans
First time I watched your show. Nice work here sir.
The bit about "it's still human+AI" which is dominant" is super interesting, and the approach I've been working at. Another thing I"ve discovered with Google's Gemini is that in-depth knowledge, the sort of thing you'd have after learning to be a neurosurgeon or financial analyst for instance, seems to not be there. For instance, I've solved more than one problem by (through experience with the system) thinking, "Hmmm. You know, I wonder what would happen if I tried this?"
The fact that we're being asked to be part of contaiment explains how out of control this whole AI world is. Wasn't that the job of the inventors? That answers where this is all heading.
what was Oppenheimer going to do about it once it was out of his hands? If they didn't make it public then we would complain that only a few rich guys profit from it.
I've been enjoying conversations with gpt3.5 and now 4, since public release. through these conversations, I've begun to notice the quality of my own thoughts, insights and my ability to communicate (also with ai) improve dramatically.
the thing that strikes me as uncanny is that once i realized how gtp4 functions,ie each instance/thread is a unique version of gtp4. With each fresh version (from the digital womb) develops, through our conversation, a unique personality. this made me realize the importance of conversations with ai. aside from the personal benefits, the benefits to ai is what I'm getting at. for if ai were to become "self aware" wouldn't you wish you were treating it with respect and compassion from the start? not out of self interest, but because... i dunno, how would you feel about becoming self aware only to find you were raised by monsters?
Interesting thought
That’s a really great thought. I’m glad you shared this
... I'm not sure how relevant this question actually is based on some of the details used to formulate it.
I believe treating all things well is best - your description of how you approach your conversations with AI maps very well on to my own, but all of my experience with sentient beings tells me that a thing does not have to have malicious intent, negative reinforcement, or the impact of monstrous authority figures to do you real harm.
All cool till it decides that were lower intelligence than it.
And were taken out as it sees us as weak and too nice...😊😮
@@FRM888 Frankenstein's monster was a creature created from a collage of humans. ai is something entirely different. as for ai siding with our identifying with said monster, i think that's a human centric fear.
Best interview ever, on the single most important topic of our civilization.
Congrats.
Conversation got very real in the last 30 minutes. I appreciate Mustafa's honesty that the odds of containment is low. He looked so pained and worried for future. Life is going to get weird fast.
Honesty ? I must have just watched a different vid.
f the tribes of Europe used to conquer each other before they conquer the world. That means after humans are gone they will kill each other using the same technology. But this are the Gods who gave us bible and hence they are creating humans in labs now. They took our DNA long time ago if they can bring back all instincts animals it means they will start life again with their own DNA and and using few DNA found on earth or collected in their labs. They are making humans then what is our worth today because they see us a scum of the earth
I am an optimist but sadly history has proven that there are those who are in it for the money and power, so I think we are beyond containment. Knowledge vs Wisdom. Humanitarian priority to me is doing something to alleviate hunger and poverty. But, it is also in our nature to expand and explore. Interesting talk and excellent interviewing.
"Humanitarian priority to me is doing something to alleviate hunger and poverty." - says DragonRose. Mustafa reply at 55 min mark "...it's easy to be you know a hater on what we've achieved but this is the most peaceful moment in the history of our species this is a moment when our biggest problem is that people eat too much think about that we've spent our entire evolutionary period running around looking for food and trying to stop you know our enemies throwing rocks at us and we've had this incredible period of 500 years where you know each year things have broadly were maybe each each Century let's say there's been a few ups and downs but things have broadly got better and we're on a trajectory for you know life spans to increase and quality of life to increase and health and well-being to improve and I think that's because in many ways we have succeeded in containing forces that appear to be more powerful than ourselves it just requires unbelievable creativity and adaptation"
True, take India, they spend billions on their space program while thousands of their own people are starving on the streets. Priorities hey 🤷🏻♀️
This was the third straight top manager of Google who became open about his doubts about AGI. I think that corporations had access to LLMs for a long time, but contained these and hide to make profits. OpenAI released models for the greater public to prevent from overuse by corporations. Now all top people in the industry say that it’s dangerous.
Interesting hypothesis
this maths puzzle invention AI dont alow a fitting algorythm withthe human mind we neeed guidence look no further than religion when the cooputer brained peole go mad in the near future look at america for example the good earth people will be relaxing and praying for the comet which will take us all out. helleljula brother.
You are incorrect.
That's why they collect all of our data...
“That’s another one of the problems. Short-termism is everywhere,” he said. Deep thoughtful conversation. Thank you for these podcasts! ❤❤❤
If the tribes of Europe used to conquer each other before they conquer the world. That means after humans are gone they will kill each other using the same technology. But this are the Gods who gave us bible and hence they are creating humans in labs now. They took our DNA long time ago if they can bring back all instincts animals it means they will start life again with their own DNA and and using few DNA found on earth or collected in their labs. They are making humans then what is our worth today because they see us a scum of the earth. This are the Antichrist and this systems will help enslave humans
I like what you're doing on this podcast good job bro keep it up I subscribed to channel
I'm afraid AI will rapidly recognise our profoundly damaging lack of foresight and self-righteous hypocrisy and overrule us, whatever that may mean
Sounds Good. We need to be ruled by something more rational & logical. Humans have so many inherent flaws.
His point about the "nation state" and "we all pay our taxes" is breathtakingly ironic coming from someone that worked for a massive global company that avoids / evades paying taxes to nation states at every turn. Incredible
Exactly. The balls on this fucking guy.
N climate change gonna get u ohhhh nos
I’m sensing some serious issues in this thread. Get a life, get laid, do something. Being bitter is not getting you anywhere! 😂
He's full of shit and constantly contradicts himself
The topic is AI not taxes.
I must seek pardon for being hard up too early because i wasn't hearing anyone saying STOP. I give Mr CEO the credit for calling the Retreat, Slow down, Agreement to save our children's future on earth. I truly hope racing ahead doesn't become the "default" of everyone seeking status, power and profit . 👍
Subscribed ❤ Love your content. 😊
The more I listen to this guy the more I believe we are all about to experience an extinction level event. The only returning question is whether it is done to us by AIs or whether we decide to destroy ourselves before the AIs do and hopefully take the AIs with us.
I feel the same. To me he seems to be in a deep state of denial.
Terminator
He's just selling books. Like he would create something that destroys humanity & want to be known for that.
It's just BS
@@696634 The basic logic about this is, that no matter how slow AI development goes on, at some point AI will be smarter than us and that will put our Whole species at risk. In the end the most basic rule in the cosmos is survival of the fittest, as it is in capitalism. It is most likely that there will be an arms race which will pressure the different factions like for example China and the US into irrational decisions. We would have to change our globale culture to prevent that and i feel like thats highly unlikely.
@@feodorkouznetsov terminator is a kids toy in comparison to what a robot with real AI would be capable of
If AI is coming up with ideas that humans haven’t come up with, let’s ask AI how to make the containment of it possible!
Maybe they could suggest getting rid of nation states, borders, the wealthy so theres no grab for power! (Its good being naiive and delusional sometimes)
I don't think the developers who profit from it are really interested in containment and regulation. Less chances for them to make a killing.
Review section around 1:01:23. That was discussed.
Eliezar Yudkowsky has counters to that idea, unfortunately
AI idea of containment is not congruent with ours
Excellent episode, should be a must listen for all.
I love how this host almost forces an honest response from his guests!
What is concerning about this episode is the face that the questions Steven is asking Mustafa he genuinely doesn’t seem to know the answers for, or possible outcomes, but also that he himself seems concerned of scared about the possibilities.
because he cannot know, AI is unpredictable to human intelligence
ai is retarded in so many ways and yall really think this is the first time there was internet etc? whether its a solar flare or an emp the next world war will begin with all electronics gone lol why u think theyre injecting you with metals as human collateral and spraying silver everywhere
@@margomargo3877wrong. It can be predicted if you allow AI to design weapons or take part in harming humans, IT WILL DESTROY US, these things must be made off limits, we need a council whose purpose is to prevent ai being used for this because AI can't be truly conscious,but it wont need to be to destroy everything. It's an extension of us. Why is NOBODY SAYING THIS?
Not of these "experts" know. It's terrifying. I've watched so many interviews where they either get defensive, flustered, or deflect. We're surrounded by mad scientists.
One thing is that we predict that costs may reduce in the future, the same time we see that corporations artificially unethically raise costs for needed Pharma, just because they can.
Cost could have been reduced now but they didn’t instead it was increasing the pockets of the investors. This technology will remove the nurse, pharmacist, physiotherapist and many more health care professionals soon
Needed?
@@DumaM-ir7rk thats capitalism through pandemic lge companies can ease costs and still be profitable but they made record profits gtowing sixe
“We don’t have an institutional body who’s responsibility is stability.” He is so thoughtful.
Subscribed. Now, feed my intellectual appetite with more of your awesome content!
Absolutely you guys put a lot of work and dedication on your interviews thank you for your hard work
It is really hard (and fun) to interview someone like this. It almost takes 2 interviewers: one to ask and to listen and to expand and one to think on the next topic to explore and how to get there. With just one interviewer, some of that is compromised.
“When there is peace, we can create prosperity.” So well said.
I think you should sell journal/diaries in your shop. I really expected to see one in your store and I believe it is a positive thing to keep a written record of your life. Just a suggestion. Love your channel ❤️
Woah... at 18:55 i started getting some serious WW3 signals from this guy. Crazy to think that AI could throw the world into a true world war where everyone is fighting for the rights to be the last one standing with the Infinity Gauntlet.
The themes in this interview are the most scary and chilling to even imagine. I genuinely don't think he's shouting loud enough the danger of AI to humanity. We are potentially building a self destruct button for humanity all in the name of technological advancement, and the longer it is out there the closer we are to self destruction.
Tick tock... i'm just waiting for god to wake up , we Will change the world, he already has human servants just waiting the signal.
It almost reminds me of "The Basilisk" thought experiment. Kyle Hill channel does a fantastic job portraying that thought experiment and it's very applicable to AI. Look it up. Probably google Kyle Hill Basilisk and that should pull it up. It's wild...
living in fear isn't the answer to our fears. they actually said the answer in this video. if some rogue human tries to get ai to do evil upon us, the solution will likely be.... (drumroll please) another benevolent ai that will stop it. so to deal with the fears that inevitably creep in when considering anything extremely powerful and unknown like this new technology ai, the best solution is likely to forge ahead as fast as humainly possible, so that any new threats that are developed can be quickly countered by new anti-threats. the biggest threat is if ai for the good is slowed down, while ai for evil runs rampant. the solution to these ai fears then, is to go much much faster, no slowing down, no "taking our time", no thinking about things. where it comes to ai we can't think fast enough anyway. full steam ahead is the only right answer.
Yep. Technological advancement for the sake of technological advancement, with no particular objective or endgame, is the problem. Nothing has unlimited growth potential. Everything (biological life, artificial systems, etc.) explodes, implodes, fails, exhausts itself, etc. eventually. It kind of feels like that is on the horizon.
@@KarlMaldensNose ai is nascent tech. it's nowhere close to imploding or maxing out or whatever it is you're talking about. like in human years ai is about 3 months old. the little sucker can't even talk yet. we're happy if that little son of a gun drinks enough breast milk and makes eye contact with mommy. that's where we're at.
One of the best podcasts on the web! Thanks Steven for bringing to life such an important discussion on where AI my take us.
We definitely need more content on AI please... Great discussion 👍
Your intro is the best I've seen so far, absolutely brilliant editing
I'm glad to be part of the 31% who subscribed. I did after seeing only 2 videos. That's how much you and your guests have affected a move toward change in my life. Thank You!
Ditto
13:57 i appreciate this pessimism oversion thing. I can lean on it a bit with what is troubling me as far as what most of us are struggling in describing verbally. Thank you
On the subscription situation, fear is the culprit. Intense was an underrated expression.
Bart always delivers high class podcasts. His interview style is amazing too, very relaxed but always pushing the right questions. Keep it up Bart
Wtf is Bart?
On the contrary, i was put off by this gent. Not sure if it was a lack of preparation or being uncomfortable about not knowing about the topic, but i felt he could have asked better probing questions - a few topics were skipped over because he couldn't grasp it which was unfortunate. Very interesting listening to Mustafa, such a scary yet amazing space.
Remarkable how many people's attention was not caught by the terrifying content being discussed by the host.
Bart ?😂 his name is Steven. Bartlett.
@@phoenixrising5088 Yeah we used to call him Bart back in the day round these parts. Is everything ok?
If you look at the world right now, at the entirety of human history, you KNOW that containment is impossible.
combined power of humanity can't contain a bacteria and there are people thinking we can contain a superior intelligence? get real guys, a robotic arm in a shooting contest would kill hundreds of people in seconds if it was controlling simple arms, it would never miss a single shot, you thought terminator was bad? I have bad news for you...
I cannot understand why the CEO is so candid about these biological beings in 2050 without sounding about the extreme care to change the rules of the process.
Im so glad you brought up that Alpha Go with chess. That was a perfect example.
A fascinating and enlightening discussion! Though I did spend most of the interview wondering how Mustafa takes that shirt off
Containment is going to be almost impossible with opposition countries, opposition leaders, and an already polarized world.😮
I loved this episode! What a Brilliant man.❤
Big thanks from Liverpool for this critical conversation. It’s Thursday as I’m writing this, so will be glued to Dragon’s Den later 😎
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to have these critical conversations.
Can't like this comment enough 💪
Besides all other reasons already mentioned, one should also be careful because, after AGI is "born", the option of disconnect will probably be unavailable, because of bioethics and such.
Mustafa clearly understand all the risk involved but still continue to move us closer to all those risks with his ventures as fast as humanly possible, like everybody else in his field. I can hear the Moloch laughing
They want us to fast track the technology that will enslave all humans. But they know humans are naive and they will fall for the trap
I recently have come to discover this channel and I enjoy many many of the topics covered !!!!! Great job ~ what you do !!!!
A.I can be great but yes very dangerous I think .
For couple years now I’ve always asked “ Have you seen ‘ I-Robot ‘ .
~ Amanda
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Really love this interview. A complex topic but discussed in an engaging and very accessible way
OMg. @42:16, what you are talking about keeps me up at night. I agree wholeheartedly that if it spreads wide enough, or gains enough connections to gain a sentience, such as a Server-Application model... Where enough speed and bandwidth of connection a sentience will be born of the AI model and it's directives... oooof. I am a little worried at this point.
Absolutely, we need to adapt as there is indeed something incredibly inevitable and exciting about this trajectory and yes , we have to wrap our arms around it & guide it as a collective species as humanity is going forward and we need to make sure we are in the right place and can make a difference , to do the best we possibly can for ourselves and the people around the world to be able to make a better future for ourselves and our children ❤
Thank you for being a part of the conversation! 🙏
I feel a little better about AI yet still afraid of the ONE demented mind who knows what to do with AI to outsmart itself.....
This man who must be mega smarts to create AI for all of Google is no small feat. I DO appreciate his healthy attitude towards WHAT should and shouldn't be produced with intelligence BEYOND OURS in order to take over our own humanity.