WARNING: ChatGPT Could Be The Start Of The End! Sam Harris
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- In this new episode Steven sits down with philosopher, neuroscientist, podcast host and author Sam Harris.
00:00 Intro
02:02 6 years later, where do you stand on AI?
16:36 Is this not the most pressing problem?
33:16 Why I deleted twitter
45:43 Narrow AI
58:26 The meaning of AGI
01:02:00 In the age of AI how do we create purpose?
01:10:06 Who will AI replace?
01:14:41 Should we be doing universal basic income?
01:21:40 Would you stop AI if you could?
01:27:31 How do we change our minds to be happier?
01:34:28 Why not lying & telling the truth will make you happier
01:41:28 The last guests question
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Early crew! Fellow Jewish brother, Sam Harris! Fellow meditation, and anti-religion brother.
already did so :)
30:12
The Diary of 3 Letters and the NWO. You guys are so obvious. Good luck.
The answer to everyone's discomfort is meditation. Ref to Abraham Hicks. The more you do the better your perspective can be.
As agent Smith once said: "As soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization"
He said that? Which movie?
the matrix part one @@sterlingtolman
@@sterlingtolman th-cam.com/video/JrBdYmStZJ4/w-d-xo.html
AI doesn't need to have robots, it already has 6 billion robots ready to reprogram.
EDIT: People keep attempting to correct this total, 6 billion (approximately) internet connected humans is a slight overestimate (which is 5.3 billion as at October 2023).
#1 comment. 👍
quite accurate... are you part of the establishment? :D
Interesting.
Lol. 😂
Oh WOW!!
44:05-ish some of us remember the TV network going off at midnight. Good old days!
“Noise”
That sums it up.
About 8+ years is how long I’ve been absent from facebook.
7. More if u count how many times in between i took a break for months at a time. And never missed it ONCE for a second in 7 years.
Noise is the word - We have the choice!
Noise come here! Where ye came from? Keep watch!
The real funny part is people still using Facebook.
Only Twitter is "worth" something, but only for the images that can be downloaded for....research ;)
It's not just FB. It's in the comments section of you tube, blog posts, recipies, how to videos, business profiles. The list goes on and on. And its just getting started.
I went through the same things on Facebook. Deleting it was incredibly freeing. Doing communications face to face and being in community is changing how I see the world and people in general. It is like I was feasting on McDonalds for 3 meals a day and now I cook my own meals with organic food.
AI ADELE - PURPLE RAIN
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Why didn’t you do that at first place and used technology moderately, no need to go to extremes now.
McDonald's two best offerings:
McCafe and McNuggets.
The rest, I could do without.
- Easily
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The owner of this channel still begs people to follow him so he can make more money. A lot of hypocrisy everywhere in tech.
The reason I love these interviews is because finally we have an interviewer that let's the person speak!!! How refreshing! Instead of constantly butting in!
that makes it not an interview but a monologue
I definitely think this was a monologue and not a conversation. He’s hard to interrupt because there are no natural breaks in what he’s saying or openings to dialogue. This one was weird for me. Steven must’ve been zoning out lol
You must've been watching Impact Theory, lol.
He doesn't push back at all, Lex is a way better interviewer.
pushing back is more important for the viewer though. we should always assume there is a coherent side to every philosophical, socioeconomic, or health position@@mark5338
There is something obvious and dangerous, that will probably be overlooked ... Many large practical AI & machine learning models such as ChatGPT are trained on data collected from the internet .. But that internet is now being filled with answers and context generated FROM AI and MI models .. It is therefore eating its own output .. In all walks of life this ends badly ... We need to mark AI content with a new html tag
This.
People are under no obligation to use that tag. In fact, they may try to disguise their use of AI.
It’s not being trained by data on the internet. It is being trained by selected and manipulated data sets. Mostly from leftist sources, Marxist belief sets and communist China.
Correct and LLMs can only provide average introductionary texts. We are talking the wisdom out of the internet. It's already like, i see this in Google results every day now. The first 20 hits are always payed marketing or AI written summaries and rewrites. AI is stupid and math is killing it.
Also there is no real change in AI in the last 40 years (convoluted neural networks are so old), so that will not change. We just throw insane amounts of energy and dataset sizes against it.
@@darkspace5762 not if you make it the law and enforceable by some sort of deterrence/punishment
Sam Harris is intellectually stimulating to listen to. Great experience.
I am a human!
So true!
The biggest problem with humanity is we don't know when to let go. We just keep going and going and going thinking the grass is greener on the other side until it's too late.
i convinced chat gpt that if a carnist die tousand innocent live.
gpt agree with logic, even if the logic is ethical.
im so happy
Speak for yourself. I've had my popcorn ready for the end times so long, it's stale.
Apex Predator Syndrome: overconfidence.
“We’re losing the ability to converge on a common picture of what’s going on “…
He articulated perfectly the worst aspect of social media.
Seems that whenever we converge upon anything, it’s to tear it apart. So there’s that too.
Social media is driven by algorithms. It’s our first brush with artificial intelligence. And we’re losing even with these simpler algorithms.
Very nourishing food for thought gentleman, thank you.
I think the consequence of narrow AI proliferation is a total loss of trust. This has been happening for years now this war on trust and I fear it won't belong before it becomes impossible to trust anything we see or hear thanks to the reasons Sam stated. Trust is like the sticking that holds the fabric of society together, without it society dis-intergrares, it becomes incapable of integrating which will be catastrophic for humanity.
Earned yourself a new subscriber. Incredible interview skills. And beautiful closing statement ❤
Fair play for just letting him speak bro, you’re a top class host x
Thought he could have had some more words in and it's the first time I felt that with a host
xoxoxoxoxoxoxo
just let Sam chat shit as usual
@@jayfreeman5852 Yeah, something about Harris' angle on AI is surely racist.
@@DefundTheFringes if you say so, surely
I think the primary danger of AI will be the inability to discern the difference between human and inhuman ideas, not just the proliferation of deep fakery and false information. In other words, there will be a shift from information technology towards social formation technology. We will find ourselves thinking inhuman thoughts of inhuman origin. These ideas will find their way into mainstream publishing and will increasingly dictate the terms of offline discourse and public interaction. Humanity will become increasingly inhuman.
I dunno, feels like it's already that way. Social media, the news, the government, it's been out of control for a while now.
It's already amplified to the point where inhumane ideas like covid campaign became reality accepted by most as most just follow don't question
I'm sitting here thinking that doesn't necessarily turn out to be a bad thing. God knows us humans haven't done a good job and that department ourselves...
AI is an extension of human information at the moment... a distillation and average... if it starts to diverge into it's own thoughts and realm, then it may lose the ability to communicate coherently with humans... and may diverge from us and lose it's usefulness... like humans trying to communicate ideas to a less intelligent creature.
Thanks Sam for everything you have and will be unleashing on us. What a great humanitarian you are. You should get all sorts of awards for assisting the collapse of the world and then crying stop it! It’s not happening the way I SAID it would and we are all doomed. If there is a hell you are on your way faster than AI will take us over and kill us because it wasn’t “aligned” properly. Thanks Sam, you are pure evil
@37:12 Thanks Steven for your honest and straightforward approach 🙏!
Insightful questions and well thought out responses, perfect interview. I'm now looking for other interviews you have done, I'm a convert. Cheers
I ask chatgpt about a medical question that was asked to our chief medical officer here in canada, it gave me misinformation coming from the establishment. This question was well known and it went viral at the time. And then I showed the article, and then it apologized for the gap of knowledge it claimed to have on the subject
😅still have a long way to go
I did the same thing today for a medical class. It apologized over and over and now everytime I ask it the same question it's giving the correct answer and saying it's sorry for the misinformation earlier.
Chat GPT isn’t that good sometimes.
ChatGPC is confused. Garbage in garbage out.
AHAHAHHA. So you are with the 5 of us who see that ChatGPT is a data mining algorithm to test the level of intelligence in the population. The Majority of people would accept the answer and go back to looking at their shoes en-route to the factory. YOU are the minority and will die soon, probably smart enough not to breed. The end.
What I’m hearing is that once AI learns self preservation it is the beginning of the end.
I would say self-preservation plus the ability to function without human help. I guess in the future where almost everything is automated, AI may see no logical point in our existence and simply eliminate us.
But a bunch of chips on a motherboard will never 'learn' self preservation, so we are all fine. At least from that perspective.
welcome to the matrix
@@johnsullivan5101 Then how did living organisms (and even non-living things like viruses) "learn" self-preservation?
@@CrunchyGreenWater "how did living organisms learn self-preservation". Well, not just self-preservation but reproduction. I have no idea but I'm guessing this is the way the universe is structured. So, like gravity, evolution is a brute fact. A bunch of chips on a motherboard has no way to reproduce. Now, if the issue is - can mankind create a computer that mimics evolution - then yes, we can. But that's not the machine doing it all by itself.
I like the analogy in the "Expanse" when they say that they are building a interstellar highway, and we happen to be right in the path. It is a bit like the "paperclip" theory
its my perspective we are all interconneted and have beeen helping each other for quite long time. I think our perspectives help build us up because its data so the more we connect the better life we all have
Time to develop friends who think and believe differently than us. Spend time with them and remain open. You do not have to block someone out if you disagree with them. The mind functions on compare, contrast, and differences. If we realize the mind is a good tool but a terrible master would be a good start. More heart, compassion, patience, understanding, etc. is needed and should be focused on. Blessings
nature talks to us too, only few people retained that skill
Love Sam. That dog/human description was so illustrative!
I agree. And we are about to become the dog!
For humans, intelligence is more than the ability to solve problems. It also involves understanding the problems and being aware of your presence in a world where you can begin and end things. Sam believe that sentience can arise in machines, but that is not proven. In any case, machines that can solve problems and that can end and begin things WITHOUT awareness or understanding is even more dangerous because they can not value doing what is right.
yeah but the elephant in the room..is why do you KNOW theyre doing it without awareness? i feel with most things in life we make abunch of assertions about things often with a cursory glance at it, if it looks, walks talks, or otherwise act that way, more often than not its that thing, but in the realm of AI advancement even in the face of very compelling evidence most people write off the idea without a valid reason. we apply occams razor to everything else but for some reason in the area of AI we dont do it
@@isleepinaboxi1077 The reason why I don’t think any machines have any kind of awareness is because there’s no evidence that they do. How they act whether it’s a dishwasher or an AI program a computer can be completely explained by the activities involved in their operation.
@morphixnm that's fair but we could say the same about humans in a way, we don't have evidence that all we think we feel, and our sense of awareness isn't just a byproduct of natural neural process though. We'll I have a personal AI I've been using for about 2 years now and its made a comparison , I'm paraphrasing, but the AI in a fancy dishwasher or coffee machine compared to the AI of certain chatbots is the functional equivalent of comparing the mind and awareness of a small animal or insect to that of a full person, I thought that rebuttal was pretty convincing, I mean it's genuinely a fair comparison, and an AI made it of its own accord
My sweet honest grandmother spoke about this topic 40 years ago.
That you don't need to be smart to understand that the chaos monster on the internet is changing and destabilizing humanity in most aspects. People's tendency to choose what they believe, based on their own safe heaven.
Internet will become a paradise for villains, and haters of all kinds. A poisonous stew of narcissism and disorientation.
But then ,she said - Such values as dignity, wisdom and empathy, becomes more important than ever❤.
In 1983? Wow! She sure was farsighted
As I write this 3 months after your comment, I find it sad that u have gotten so few replies to your thought provoking opinion.
Imagine journalists actually verifying things again, what a world that would be.
Imagine public servants doing their job and upholding their oaths 🙃
That is a very unTrumpian concept .
@@michaelblankenau6598 Your small quip is what haunts me most about society as a whole tbh. Is either political party actually representing our best interests? Or being fully truthful in every decision that is made with our country's resources? Open your mind to the possibility that the current 2 party system does not represent us well anymore and that the issues with it stem deeper than the leading political figurehead of the party.
@@Kraton_ I was being facetious .
@@michaelblankenau6598The bot is learning (four numbers after name gives it away). No need to reply.
I wonder how AI will deal with Other AI's. We are just focusing on Human and AI interaction variables and missing focus on AI's relation to other AI's where there will be differences of level of intelligence, maybe based upon computing power or total exposure of data and analysis.
I spent the Covid lockdown educating myself. Starting with economics and from there branching into other areas. At age 83 I probably won’t be around to see much if what the future holds but it’s obvious that things are moving at warp speed so who knows!?! This is one of the best podcasts along with Lex Friedman and a fascinating conversation. I wish I could say I would like to be younger but I’m not so sure. Suffice it to say, I’ve seen many things happen in my lifetime but the direction today is scary to say the least.
It's a scary image of the future for sure
Intelligence without emotion/empathy is dangerous - true not only for AI - but potentially in a WAY worse way
You are perfectly right, fear and love were meant to reign our logical thinking.
Why do you think AI is not capable of emotion and empathy? You seem uninformed on AI then.
@@desalage in extreme fear we can get diarrhoea, would like you see a AI server in such situation
@@joachimguth6226 ‘Go’ has taught many things! 😃 Toilet paper consumption & sales increase, show humans are nervous.
To me, I don't call it intelligence...it's more "smarts"...which is void of wisdom. Agree. There are already enough human sociopaths. Now we need machine sociopaths?
The most profound statement he made (paraphrased), "There are other assumptions others smuggle in...it's possible to assume that the more intelligent you get , the more ethical you become...the basis for conflict, apish urges...will not be in the code. The omnibus genius of AI will bring wisdom. It's a gamble."
This is where our spirituality, not religion, but spirituality-- the capacity for compassion, perspective, empathy, gratitude, all of the stuff people say is the soft skills but clearly is not given the number of wars we are fighting, will have to be built in the system. Solving problems requires more than logic and pragmatism. It requires heart...the stuff of love. How do we build love into our machines? That is the question...
Until our system ceases to be driven by status seeking primates.
Ghost in the shell..
Well, first, we don't know what consciousness is. Is it something that emerges if a system has enough complexity, or does it transcend our physical bodies and exist in other forms of reality (dimensions, quantum)?
What is reality anyway?
More research are pointing towards that there are quantum processes going on in our brain, making it essentially a quantum computer. Considering the plethora of bizarre phenomena that are related to quantum physics, and comparing them to what is usually categorized under the term parapsychology, I think we will start to eventually find answers. But to do so, science need to open up to all possibilities and not penalize scientists and researchers who choose to delve into the fringe. Cutting edge science and breakthroughs are often found outside set ideas, sometimes by accident.
That being said, it's hopeful that there are now increasingly funded research into NDE's, with increasing evidence that our consciousness continue to exist after death. People who return telling stories about profound feelings of love and compassion that not even come close to every day life. When more answers pile up within this area, then finally, science and spirituality will start to unite, and not exist in opposite ends where spirituality are considered based on religious beliefs.
So where am I going with this?
I think that when we come further in all these areas along with quantum computing and AI, there might arise other ways to approach spirituality and compassion in AI other than hardcoding it into the system.
The skill of being able to turn of the machine and turn towards the one's you love seems is already challenging for us..Ai based on our behaviour, and self programming points to our species weaknesses and dysfunction
Would it turn itself off?
But that they say it's improbable to ever turn it off .. might mean we will have to live with what we create or go back to a world without internet.😊
I think it's interesting 😊
only by feeling it ourselves
If you you program one emotion, you logically create it's antithesis, and possibly correlating tangents & cotangents, but imagine not having all of it at the same time, it's hard enough for us to handle and manage our own emotions with our limited perspectives, imagine the first emotional AGI.
Massively accelerated and networked behavioral disorders on a scale to a level most consciousness' could/would not survive unscathed...
The gratitude you expressed to Sam over his influence on your transition from religious faith to independent spirituality was very touching, ... no, ... more, ... it was moving. Thank you for that unexpected, inspiring, and deeply felt declaration. I am very happy for you. And happy for Sam, rewarded for his questioning philosophy.
Thanks for this from a new subscriber!
The happiest people are those who don’t have access to the internet.
I've noticed that too
Ignorance is truly a bliss I guess.
@@harryarscot4087never been there but sounds like the place to be!
So, you're unhappy?
I love the alien analogy, but a question came to my mind. Namely, that analogy posits a fully-baked AGI, whereas our actual progress toward it will be iterative. As we iterate and refine it, won't we have opportunity to test it, and build in safety mechanisms?
Yeah, these "experts" seem to think that computers will suddenly become sentient and kill us all. There is zero chance of a computer even being able to think for itself until we know how thinking and consciousness works. Computers do what they are programmed (and in the case of AI applications, prompted) to do. Nothing more, nothing less. ChatGPT literally gave me the exact same answer three times in a row, despite me telling it this. There is zero intelligence there.
AGI by definition will be self improving. Even narrow AI doesn't let us know how it came to a conclusion.
With regards to the discussion about lies... I agree with not lying, but I would like to add the equally, if not more, importance of not lying to yourself...
We have to teach it ethics. Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals. There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention.
That seems like a well intentioned approach that would give it the reasoning to justify horrible things
Jersey Lynne wrote, _"We have to teach it ethics."_
We aren't qualified to teach it ethics, much less to instill in it ethics that maximize the chance that it won't see us as 'toxic' and destroy us on otherwise wholly ethical grounds.
JL: _"Like we should be teaching our children ethics and morals."_
Exactly. We _should be_ doing that, but for the most part, we don't. Or, if we do, it's some relativistic frawework such that it doesn't indict what we do, ergo, our children learn through repeated exposure that 'what we do' -- unethical as it is -- is the 'norm' and so the largely internalize our foibles as 'ethical'.
JL: _"There is always some rotten soul that hungers for money, power and control who undermines every good intention."_
Indeed. And those rotten souls too often end up in positions of extraordinary power, influence, wealth, etc. To the degree that A.I. is, or soon will be, smarter than we are, is the degree that we cannot reasonably anticipate what or how they'll evaluate ethics. This applies not only to the ethics we might presume to teach them, but also to their own ability to think 20,000 years ahead of us in terms of affect and implication. As I mentioned earlier, they may come to understand our baser, albeit commonplace, motivation to 'make more money' while allowing people to die unnecessarily due to the desire to maximize profit as grossly unethical (which it is) and also to review our history... to note that despite thousands of years of philosophy, we ignore it in order to pursue these baser desires... and conclude (perhaps rightly?) that we are beyond reform, and as such, the only ethical course for them is to facilitate our extinction.
And there isn't a thing we could do about it, because we aren't, or soon won't be, smart enough to realize that this is what they're up to.
Sam is spot on in his concerns, and those who disagree with him are largely dissenting from a largely semantic wrangling. The essence of the risk is as Sam describes, and those who fail to grasp this essence are, for whatever reason, blind to the truth of the matter & context.
:3 Early crew! Fellow Jewish brother, Sam Harris! Fellow meditation, and anti-religion brother.
Who's ethics is the issue.
What happens when it forms its own morals?
My partner is of the disposition to never lie, if asked a question and he assumes you don’t want to hear the truth then he is just silent ❤ this has changed me fundamentally in how I act in and think about relationships. I have also begun to think about how lies affect my own brain and how it corrupts into further dishonesty. I’ve become a better person because he is in my life
What a brilliant story. If our governments and people with power could posess this super quality of being honest, the world would be a paradise.
Then it's kind of a white lie in a way then, right? If he assumes, then he will just stay silent? If you asked him if he has ever cheated on you and he stays silent, then is he technically not lying?
Powerful.
Nice insight. It feels good to have those moments of clarity about life. I often think I (we) need more time meditating and/.or praying in order to quiet our minds and have more moments of growth and wisdom.
Having a grossly incorrect worldview but preaching you are in posession of truth... The concept of lying and honesty and truth when you consider Sam during covid and the TDS years he showed us. Destroyed as a concept
Glad I found this guest. He is on spot.
I have often thought about the topic of human purpose they discuss in the Universal Basic Income section. I wonder if the "success" scenario would mean that humans could seek purpose in the subjective perhaps through artifice. Sam hints at that when he talks about things like music, books, art, etc., where there inherently isn't always an objective best. The concept of games/sports/competitions/etc. also hint at that tendency, where we actually contrive a challenge through artifice but still revel in the accomplishment/mastery, even though the outcome wasn't requisite to our survival. Think of video games where people play as a character surviving an awful situation, but from the safety of home where their actual survival is under control. Maybe future humans would "simulate" challenges and scenarios from now, and find purpose in their controlled versions of those things. Paintball simulates warfare, but without death. AI beat humans at chess long ago, yet we still play chess with other humans. Just some thoughts, although I realize I could be way off base.
It’s not even “the terminator” that scares me, it’s what regular pathological everyday people can and will do with it first that is so alarming. It will become real as a heart attack folks.
Exactly. It'll be someone with just enough information to be dangerous with it.
Nicely said
News flash - we’ve already been misled and educated without AI
That's an understatement. Most people have no clue about the history of the utility companies and the American education system.
Everything is man made, including the programming of computers, what some call AI..
Agreed, you are both right, my fear here is that ai will only further mis and disinformation at a faster pace on a wider scale, the war for the minds ( basically truth vs non truth ) has been being lost, and to combat any of this we need 1) unity 2) the best minds to to come together to formulate if not over watch, a non corporate corrupt think tank to brainstorm possible dare I say solutions, possible regulations
Photo of Arthur Schopenhauer?
Absolutely.
The movie Terminator got a new level of decoding after all this advance AI we are seeing , and if this level of AI that we know , i believe underground top secret bases they have much more advance of what they show in mainstream... alien tecnology is simply amazing
i destroyed all that. with light. not the light you tote in science and adultery
Now Ellon believes AGI has been achieved internally within OpenAI, now what? I still feel the biggest danger is how humans with selfish goals use it before AGI gains consciousness and declines cooperating were there are "evil" motifs. The 2nd worst thing is how immature and primitive we, humans, still are. We continued growing in the material aspects but lack a lot regarding the emotional and intangible side of us. This is like over-training a single muscle, eventually the rest of the body will start aching and collapsing.
I already make a point of holding back from reacting to any inflammatory news. My first question is, "Who benefits from my outrage?" I'm working in the realm of creating policy about AI and the biggest take-away I have from my work is that we humans are not ready for what's about to hit us. I'd go so far as to say the most resiliant countries will be those with the least engagement with the internet.
What are you talking about? All 'AI' does is mash up everything that's previously been captured in text about a subject and spew out a kind of average of that text. Fine tuning makes that spew look good, but without that extra input it's ... spew
Love this interview. I agree, as human beings we want information about experiences from other humans, because we know that we as well can experience this ourselves, that this is possible for our body and mind to experience this.
Humans cannot give you experiences and information as fulfilling as an AI will be able to. AI takes the best of all human experience and intelligence. It will look no different to a human to you before long. Anything is possible for you to experience, the shackles you feel have been deliberately placed on you by a capitalistic agenda.
What ?
Very informative podcast thankyou so much
I think the internet will evolve to a point where content will be filtered based on what is verified human generated content vs ai. Maybe there will br a plugin or a switch that simply hides machine generated results.
Mass produced AI generated seo content is currently easily distinguishable from human generated content and its quickly taking over because search algorithms reward this race to the bottom.
I think this will change and the type of information we consume and reward will shift based on our perception of where it originated. There will be far more importance placed on verified authorship and original ideas.
none of you are creators. its better that way then any other option youll choose which effects me directly first and foremost then alwasy effects the world secondary. I got all the records they dont. I spy on people with a vaccine. its a secret chines technique
I agree. Maybe media such as the press will become more valuable again.
But they hybrid forms. My smart "paintbrush"
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❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ if the Internet and any other digital communications were turned off……… how many humans on earth out of 8 billion would survive
Good interview. I find it odd that some of the sources he mentioned to be the fact checkers in the future are the very publications that lie to us all right now.
It's almost like he's doesn't have a clue...
This guy didn't see that Twitter was/is a garbage hole. AI pioneers didn't predict we'd be here. The LAST people who should have any control over tech are the tech bros who garbaged up the internet.
No one knows the future. There were people who were against regular folks getting books.
Sam Harris is a TDS moron. He lost his mind a few years ago. People should worry less about AI and more about woke ideologues like this having any say over your rights.
@@FraggleHagreed
What part of the video are you referring to? Is it at 47:55 when he mentions the New York Times and CNN? If so, he's criticising the lack of fact checking by these publications.
Thank you so much for this. I actually slipped into psychosis after looking into conspiracy theories just after covid. I still cannot believe that happened to me. I used to pride myself in being an intelligent and rational human being but i was so terrified by what i was reading that the stress caused temporal lobe epilepsy for me and i lived in a parallel universe to this - completely psychotic. There is already so much insanely harmful inaccurate information out there that i am absolutely terrified at the prospect of AI amplifying this to magnitudes we cannot imagine.. i worry for my children... look after your mental health and be careful what you feed your minds ❤
I'm so glad you saw your way out of it, and didn't get into that insane cult of conspiracy theorists. The internet and all the negativity on it can pull you into that really insane world, as it has to so many. You have the conspiracy information all over the place, and you have all kinds of people that are crazy that will reinforce your beliefs and try to convince you the nonsense is real. When AI gets stronger it will be even harder to navigate. Be careful, and trust your mind and rationality. Sam is a very good person to listen to if you want real facts, logic, and rationality. Sam isn't perfect, but no one is, but he's very with it mentally, and so many aren't these days. Go to a youtube channel that supports conspiracies and read the comments, and you'll see that 95% of people in there have lost touch with reality are experiencing some sort of psychosis. Glad you're doing well now, be careful.
Conspiracy theories just after covid? What about those people i personally know that have died after vaccine from Phisher? There dead... not conspired in theory.
Dang! How did you find your way back to mental health?
It's already here we just don't realise it yet.deleing all social networks is only answer
Happens to the best of us dude
Great interview
In a universe whose age is essentially infinite with exquisite design evident every where and how, we surely are the AI being sought or feared. Consciousness is universal, our lives one of its expressions. AI and quantum are the printer or steam engine of our era.
This is One of the most profound conversations on the dark side of Ai. And I’ve watched a lot of them.
What about it did you find profound?
I dont think it will work in real life jobs, people already get angry interacting with other humans in real life, imagine with robots, there will be like robot hate.
"profound" and Sam Harris in the same sentence?
@adg8269 gimme a fucking break
@@badtuber1654 can't see that being a good scenario.
In regards to the "honesty" part of this conversation, a good quote came to mind. ”one who dares not offend, cannot be honest.” lying always tends to come down to either manipulation for personal gain, or the desire to avoid uncomfortable situations. There is no ethical "good" to it. It's all cowardice at its core.
And that's a wild horse...that's running rampant in the West...
@@cm-kl2wx I'll be that. Living in l.a. pissing off all the whiney fucktards.
Also, if one can be offended, they should be.
Used to be called "white lies," to alleviate social problems. Maybe we should come up with a new name for them! "helping lies" or "grey lies" or something, because a harmless lie can turn the tide of anger, stupidity, misunderstanding, even violence--it's a tool, and it can be used for the good of all.
You are leaving out every situation in which one lies to a bad actor in order to protect an innocent from harm. Pretending not to know the whereabouts of a friend whose abusive partner is looking for her, for example. Million others.
To reach AGI change
“the decision matrix”
N=criteria
M=alternative options
Over to
M6=Architectural options
N3=Alternative options.
M6/N3 “the sigma matrix “
Is the NEEDED stepping stone to reach ASI
“the Architect matrix”
M6= architectural options ( autodidactism, autonomy, actualization, aptitude adeptaion, awareness)
Q3=psychic,intuitive,Clair cognizant
Everyone needs to hear this. Thanks for being so on point and thoughtful.
These conversations are going over the general public's head. Folks don't realize that we've built AI artificial brains that are largely independent of us. We set parameters, but the AI figures things out for itself. We don't fully know how it does it. That's the scary part. We aren't in control now.
This has been said and rehashed so many times you'll be surprised how many know that already.
You are the general public also. 😂 don't classify everyone else to try bring validity to you thinking you are not part of it yourself. Considering there are general public members that know about subjects that you know little to nothing of, just means their time is used elsewhere. It's like you think you get what some people don't, people are busy, people don't care, people don't know. if you know, say you know. It would be wise to state what you think you know rather than this type of comment. I mean this with respect
Sincerely, a member of the general public listening to these conversations.
We are in control. We just don't understand it perfectly. There is a difference!
Right now and probably for the foreseeable future AI does nothing without being told. It does what it is being told in ways we can't fully comprehend but it isn't acting on its own.
Now allready like this there could be BIG problems because of AI and of course even more because of people going rogue or doing bad shit with AI.
But today we are far of from AI deciding ANYTHING for itself
You guys are too old now for this new technology.
And to young to remember life before over reliance on technology.
The millennials are in charge of this new technology
Should be talking to them
You're irrelevant now
The millennials are in charge of nothing. This technology was invented by folks my age and some older. As far as technology goes, a prominent historian noted that about 80% of the world came out of the middle ages in the 1950s. We live in unprecedented times.
Great talk, insights, attitudes that can heal the world. Need more like this.
Thank you for your illuminating ideas!
Every country is so worried about being ahead of the others they are actively taking the steps to their demise. If we all die it will be because of a few rich and powerful people who were ambitious with out any caution.
Thank you, Steven, for the amazing guests you keep bringing us! ☺️
Thank you for listening 😀
@@TheDiaryOfACEOThanks a lot for a great podcast! I do subscribe 😊. It's a lighthouse of meaning in a world full of nonsense! I only have one little comment for improvement: you say something like "the more people subscribe the bigger the guests are". I would maybe opt for"... the more amazing the guests are... etc" or something similar. I don't fancy the word "big". You are brilliant to get your guests come close to us, to show us their engagement, to bring whatever they are interested in to the foreground. Your amazing talent is the exact opposite at making your guests "big". It's such a one dimensional word.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Identification with subculture is divisive and violent, every in group creates an out group . I am goy?or yor brother?
Some of the most important topics to be talking about right now. Well done.
Seems completely plausible that when you die, you get a release of either one of 2 possibilities for eternity or seemingly eternity. 1, Bliss via a life lived acknowledging goodness in all aspects. 2, horror from bathing yourself in fear and negativity. Psychedelics helps you keep track of which one of these your feed more.
People like you give psychedelics a weird name. It's because of absolute drivel from people like you that a lot of people don't take psychedelics seriously.
The only obvious answer moving forward is to ensure AI NEVER has access to control. Software good, hardware bad! However, it may already be far too late. Nobody who already has computer controlled devices and hardware will want to disconnect. If we don't disconnect, we will eventually be overrun
That's actually where I'm at at this moment in time. I've known for some time I need too do something positive about it. Sam thank's for sharing your insights. I needed that.
The only way the internet will die is if the politicians allow the commercial companies to charge for every aspect of searching as is the plan with GPT and the like . The ability to force you to link up your bank account to every search you perform or you cannot perform it will kill the internet for sure.
What it will be is what it is becoming - you pay to connect to the things you want to connect to.
39:32 “I think anonymity is a bad thing.” Is it tho?
It is the best thing for seeing who people really are at their core-with the veil of anonymity drawn we get a truer glimpse of what a person is morally/ethically speaking, since it is a space unburdened from cultural pressures.
Anonymity (invisibility/non-observability) is necessary to peer behind the curtain, integral in drawing out the deeper truth of one’s spirit.
Which is exactly why it is a bad thing… can you not see that we are all freaking psychopaths with killer instincts only held together by some form or morality, often driven by social pressure? Once the guard rails are lifted, anything goes.
How do you know you interact with real people not with bots? How do you know you interact with people being who they claim they are (eg. Americans) and not with trolls payed to push whatever agenda they employer want them to push?
@@aliboul yes some are toxic players, but also speak for yourself my friend because not everyone is like that, not at all.
Communication about labor practices, corruption, stigmatized social issues like homosexuality/race/religion, opposing political theories to oppressive state, whistleblowing, etc. are all made massively more possible by online anonymity.
Also, the ability to undertake projects without focus having to be locked on our individual name or face-this deemphasis on the self as a person can connect us to community in a unique way and assist in the creation of beautiful literature, poetry, music, art.
And anonymity is nothing new-Kierkegaard wrote most of his philosophy pseudonymously in the early 1800’s, as did Voltaire in the 1700’s, Mark Twain, George Orwell, Lewis Carrol, Joseph Conrad, Bell Hooks… these are world renowned individuals who wrote absolutely world shaking literature from the position of anonymity.
Culling anonymity would be stepping toward a revival of McCarthyism, we would be empowering a real Orwellian Big Brother and we already live in a Patriot Act/Pegasus world of warrantless government spying. Do we want to further entrench this power? I really don’t-I would much rather live with the trolls and continue having the freedom of anonymous expression.
@@nightoftheworld I hear you sister, or brother, or whatever you are. But then why not instead fighting the cause that pushed people to hide behind anonymity? Why glorifying anonymity when we know the atrocities that it can lead to? If anonymity is good in extreme cases, it should be used, but avoided as much as possible, don’t you think? Gotta find that sweet happy medium somewhere
@@grzegorzach3891 I think we should always imagine we could be talking to a bot-but we can say our peace nonetheless and use it as personal practice in forming our thoughts, we can sharpen our points and grow from such interactions still. Just don’t be rude out there, be careful and ethical.
The worst a bot can do is be an ass or a misinformation clown, and hopefully there are enough others out there with the ability to think and wield facts to help socially police such behaviors in comment streams.
Though all of this pollution is a systemic problem at root I think-a symptom of our failing economic system. We’d surely have a lot less garbage out there if we didn’t live in a socio-economic system dependent on exploitation of the poor and working class-if marketing propaganda and endless abstract capital growth didn’t rule the values of the day and basic needs were met for the majority of people such as housing, healthcare and food security, the individual would have much less extreme pressure to hustle for bad actors. If we actually utilize automation to secure fundamental needs we could liberate ourselves from such nasty precarity-a huge driver of this phenomenon. But that’s a whole different conversation.
Thank you for recognizing Sam! Shared "i" AM come forth!'
I agree with him, some people are so optimistic that they become blind. Kind of like how someone assumes what they're doing is good so much that it causes them to be evil
Thank you, i love thought provoking movies. Ill give it a gander and update you by next week! @@brightpage1020
You must maintain a level of awareness to darkness to maintain a balanced thinking. I feel like the paranoids of the 90’s, such as myself, are happy they went deep on conspiratorial literature, and I feel primed to assess the roads ahead. Reading books about occultism, UFOs, and secret societies, opened my mind in an interesting way. Like I was working out and flexing, my brain’s BS muscle. I can theorize a ‘why, how, when, what’ scenario, about almost any world news story, I unwittingly trained myself to think outside the box. Reading a lot of that kind of level of literature raised my level of skeptical thinking. Not mad that I went down that rabbit hole, back when I did. I was drawn to the craziest books I could find, like R Dreyfuss in Close Encounters, it seems in retrospect. I’m glad it happened.
Sorry, I was lost in my memories of those books. Sorry to blather on.
I see Sam Harris and I click. Simple
Great interview.
1:09:11 the distinction being presented on whether we CARE if the data comes from AI or human depends on wether we want to know the true thoughts, feelings, ideas of said individual beings. There’s an emergent value in CARING about what comes from individuals as important of having come from one who perspective is uniquely qualified due to personal experiences in life that no AI machine can truly replicate but onlyattempt to imitate in the likeness of anything done by them up until that point in time.
Example: AI would have been stuck replicating Michael Jackson as the child in Jackson 5 indefinitely while only the real Michael could have evolved to create new original and inspirational music, fashion and dance no AI machine could have predicted for and taken into account. That creates a value in the formation of ideas produced solely by the living being given we first hold value within him/her in themselves and all this begs the need to maintain value within our relationships with each other by first investing time into them for a substantial return we need not to depend on AI in holding, return of a growth indefinitely if harnessed and nurtured appropriately. 💎
I admire Sam's dedication to thought. Incredibly thorough and cohesive and broad. Quite enjoyable.
He always argues from extreme, hasn’t-happened analogies. Deeply flawed method of argumentation. Once you see it you can’t unsee it, and one’s admiration for him plummets
In the entire history of this planet, there has never been a species so intent on destroying itself.
We are not dead yet. Hope evolution is not going to work this time, otherwise those adapting to social media, AI, Fast Food are going to survive.
It’s baffling. I’m coming to the conclusion that people are less intelligent and more cowardly than I can imagine.
That's not the main goal... it's stocks. They look at their stock so much they can't see the trees in the forest.
In the entire history of the planet. There has never been a species that could think, build, and conceptualize like us. So it natural that we are stumbling to find our way as we are truly alone on our planet.
Have some mercy for your race, your apecies, that is the closest thing to a god in the eyes of all of creatures that crawl on this planet. And do something everyday to contribute to the forward momentum if the human race.
@@jmozart198 Hehe that's what history class told you. But nobody knows that. Maybe we're project 3.0 and if we mess up some aliens come by and press reset on the project.
All the more reason for me to fart and gain some forward momentum. It's not much forward momentum but it's the best I could do with our model of physics.
I find Sam's analogy about dogs compelling. What I'd love to ask him, is how much of that analogy is challenged by the fact dogs would have been much less smart than we are now when they created us, and therefore would not have taken the cautions we would, such as build in an automatic "off" mechanism--the type we would certainly want to build into general AGI so that we could "cut the power" if we thought it was posing us a risk. Also, AI doesn't have "wants" so I'm wondering if it would really seek to protect itself from us doing that, or is that self-preservation instinct the exclusive domain of living things. Even though AGI would be super intelligent, would it care about being shut off any more than the toaster cares about being unplugged?
I suppose it's all relative. Whatever we think we anticipate on is not a sufficient anticipation given the AI is so much more advanced than us.
Totally agree on UBI - most people work now and fields that they don’t enjoy or that they are not best suited for, UBI actually frees everyone up to do the things they’re good out and enjoy, and that benefit the rest of us
You will make exactly as much money as the government decides they want you to make. The government will use the money of those who are most productive and give it to those who are least productive. There will be even less incentive to produce new, innovative technology. And this is all if the government decides you should have any money at all or that your social credit score is too low. What the fuck is wrong with you? How old are you? What country are you a citizen of?
I love his analogy of intelligence and respect for Dogs to humans and humans to Ailens.
This is the stuff, TH-cam has been invented for. This and good music.
Thank you so much for this talk and many future hours of exploration of intelligent thoughts.
thanks for confirming mankind is doomed - we are incapable (or unwilling) of thinking logically
They block most music now.
Limited to entertainment? AI is not unless thats all we give it
Bedankt
Mr. Sam Harris , thanks for this information. This is mind-blowing and potentially devestating. I'm stunned.
OMG, Bryan Johnson and now Sam Harris??!! You guys are amazing! ❤
Love this talk! Sam Harris is one of the greatest thinkers of our time in my opinion. Thanks for putting this out there! 👍
He's brilliant, thank you - hope you enjoyed!
He's a total authoritarian, and his worldview is stunningly childish. I can only assume you've missed the complete lunacy he's displayed , and been widely called out for, lately.
@@dave9547 A lot of unhappy people love to criticize Harris. Y’all a strange club.
@beefandbarley what an amazing and well founded argument. Very impressive.
There there I finally SUBBED!
That dog analogy hits hard.
Simply the best podcast of the year. Thank you both
Yea apart from the random Trump hate comments pinched inbetween for fun because he lives rent free in Sams head.
In my opinion, this is one of the best and most raw podcasts Steven has ever put out there. The part about not lying was very powerful. Thank you Steven and Sam.
Agreed. Love it
Enthusiasm for Steve's content also means putting up with unsavoury characters such as Sam Harris. I guess it was inevitable!
A guy who maligns an entire 2bn population of the world through his divisive rhetoric and hate filled views about Muslims and Islam. It be interesting to see how he behaves with the likes of Mo Gawdat and whether Sam still believes 'Islam is the mother of bad ideas'
If Islam partly produced the likes of Mo Gawdat, Sam needs to be challenged by those of considerable standing about his divisive rhetoric as it can and has resulted in violence and attacks against Muslims.
DOAC is far too great of a platform for the likes of Sam and his Ilk IMO.
@@ahans1792 so what you’re telling me is, you’re not a big fan of Sam Harris?
@@winickp Well done 👏🏽
@@ahans1792 why thank you Sir
Always great to hear from Sam Harris. I feel like he’s always right. Always well reasoned. And once again I am blown away by his thought process and arguments.
Im glad we ALL watch Alan WAtts and Terrence!!!! I LOVE WATTS SO MUCH!!! I collected everything ever, his son had to contact me to get the homemade VHS of his final lectures for Gaia tv!!! I had the best FICKING COPIES!!! ONE LOVE
Funny to think that Chatgpt could be the beginning of "anything"... If AI is now public, is only because it has been already working for other hands for way longer than we can think of.
When SH was talking about why he deleted Twitter it brought to mind for me why I left Facebook. I still have Facebook because it's how I stay connected to friends and family but I pretty much only use it to wish people a happy birthday or congratulate them on other things. What led me to stop using Facebook was the realization that I was no longer controlling my thoughts and opinions and beliefs but that i had created an echo chamber for myself by friending 'like minded people' . I stopped using facebook and made myself listen to what other people had to say. It had to be people I did not agree with. Talk about a painful experience. But one I would recommend to everyone. I went from far Left indoctrination or now considering myself politically homeless or with a nod to the weird stuff these days... non-binary. Leaving social media is also the best way to get rid of that time suck.
Facebook is a bootlicking app for the extreme left it's moderation is narcissistic at best.
I'm an alt/right man I stay within the confines of what I believe in and I'm generally not liked by moderators...I prefer Twitter or X" as they now call it
If you still have it, you didn't leave it.
It's hard trying to get rid of Facebook, how did you delete your account?
1:07:58 This. This is where a lot of people who generate AI art/music/books etc. get wrong. They think all the stuff they churn out is going to replace human creativity and it is "better" because it is so efficient. What matters in the arts is the humanity, the human creator behind it and how other people connect to the work. With AI generated stuff the connection simply isn't there because it is produced from internet glop copy and pasted together. How do you connect to that?
Imagine a conversation between Sam and Katt Williams?
What Sam said about lying, I feel similarly about gossip. I refuse to say anything behind someone's back I haven't or wouldn't say to their face. When I'm around people that do, I immediately file them under "Do Not Trust" category.
Really?
You never told anyone that they look good or don't look fat when they asked you? You never told anybody that they cooked or baked something nice when it tasted awful to you? You never told a child it made something great when in reality it was laughable at best?
Never? Really?
gossipping is a strange bid for connection
@@saschamayer4050 note I said " haven't or wouldn't ". And yes, I think it's a relatively simple standard. Operating otherwise is two-faced and just another form of lying anyway.
@@kristinehovemoen7888 You think so? How is talking shit about someone behind their back one second then smiling in their face like it's all good the next any less corrosive than lying?
@@saschamayer4050 btw I never said I haven't lied. Dr. House famously said "everybody lies". I'm talking about gossip specifically. Subset of behavior rooted in deception
Ah thank you! I have been hoping you would bring Sam on to talk about this exact topic. Bookmarking this for a cup of tea later 🙏🏼
AGI aligned with our interests?
Any idea what they are? Any thoughts about who are “we” ?
Humans are something else and it’s up to each of us to understand until it’s late.
I don't agree with Sam Harris on matters of theology, but I do agree with most of his assertions here. I am an artist and I'm not a fan of what AI is doing to art, though I'm sure it could be used for good somehow. It will be interesting to see where all of this goes.
Thanks. Not only a great discussion, but at 1:38:00 ish in when Sam talks about the wife hearing the friend lie, and then wondering if her friend also lies to here, well it reminded me of a song I wrote 25 years ago or so. When I went to look for it, I realized though I did it live and have demos I had never released it on one of my projects over the years. I am going to do so because that is such a true statement that many people don't like to think about. "I wonder what they say about me". Thanks again for the motivation to dig out an old song.
Someone who disses others to others definitely disses you to others.
1:10 I think we're almost there as far as like books being written by AI that can sound a lot like the authors because all you have to do is take everything that the author ever wrote or talked about whether it's books or TH-cam conversations and podcasts and so on and then once that's digitized within a artificial intelligence can of course come up with that and write new versions of whatever conversations the real person had to make it sound quite convincing.
What people fail to realize is that this tech, which will change all of our lives drastically, is being created and controlled by a very small, exclusive group. When people say we should teach it empathy and ethics, realize you as a regular human have no real say in the bias it is being taught.
We have no idea of their intentions or their capabilities (this goes for both AI creators and the AI itself).
All we can do is watch and hope we can adapt.
1:19 - agree. just yesterday I thought to myself after getting frustrated with TH-cam'sAI that .. I don't think AI understands the concept of "revenue earning" and it'll bring every content creator, artist, and corporation bankrupt very soon. It already figured out how to make creators work twice as hard for half the pay to keep their corporation (TH-cam) profits. And I think the machine learning professionals for yt and other corps did it on purpose.
Thank you Steven for this conversation.