I recently tried spear and shield for the first time and once you get your combos down it is so nice. Staggering monks out of their combos with opportunist never gets old.
many of the hero/class combinations are excellent. I watched a guy heavy attack mace/sword ( I think it was) his way through cataclysm modded to be many times harder. The only attacks he did was heavy attacks over and over, and he never even got hit.
@@HeroOfTheWeb Mace and sword is overturned, the heavies are especially so. Still, overall elf has the best weapons in the game. Kruber has other good weapons but not on the elf's level.
Sister of thorn: Normie Waywatcher: Casual to long time player Shade: scum of the earth Handmaiden: Appreciates how versatile the class is -sincerely anything but elf main
I'd put glaive as S tier due to solid cleave, wide l1/l2 sweeps into hordes, armor piercing, high damage, and especially that h1-h2 combo that deletes elites and with a concoction pot will actually even shred bosses.
Her worst weapon is her venomous attitude. When someone plays Kerillian I play Kruber just to counter her voice lines with inspiring voice lines from the footknight.
It's also pretty good on handmaiden. Good dodge distance and 100 dodges, as well as no weaknesses outside of comparitively low damage. Has good synergy with her already superb defense.
I would like to add that the one handed sword realy shines on handmaiden, take the talent which gives you attack spead and power on push and only do the first two light attacks then block push (repeat). Add a crit and you are looking at 35% Attackspeed PLUS the extra strenght, against normal hords this weapon wrecks. Headshots on minions are quit easy. For elites dance left and right and do heavys. For Handmaiden i would put it in A at least.
Cloak of mist shade is very op. I have 300 levels or so on shade alone, the amount of ridiculous stuff you can pull off if you combine cloak of mist with vanish is just silly.
Glad to see the Spear and shield up there at the top cus I think it's just the coolest weapon for her. Also reinforced my suspicion that daggers are OP.
Wow that damage at 5:13 was sexy. Goodbye Gatekeeper. Also, pretty new player here who's been watching a lot of Wet Magic recently, and I have a question. I recently received a red sword and dagger, my favorite weapon! With really good modifiers that were obviously maxed out! What joy! ...aaaand it's at power level 185. Does power matter enough that I shouldn't use this perfect weapon? Is there anything I can do to bump it up? Or am I just cursed to salvage a perfect weapon because I happened to receive it too early?
Yea the more chests you open the higher the power level. It'll be fine for lower difficulties, but I wouldn't bring into legend or higher. At least you get some red dust ya know?
@@Csatadi i really wanted to disagree with you at the time, but you’re right. For some reason the Sword and Dagger oranges look more red than orange. So that combined with it having perfect stats really threw me off
What matters most is finding a red item of the type you want, as properties and traits can be rerolled for an affordable price in orange dust. So no need to worry about those so much :).
I wouldn't say she's 'broken'. No matter who you play in this game, you must master the mechanics. In that sense ironbreaker can be considered 'broken' because gromnil armor can basically mean it covers for your occasional mistake. It's not unusual for ironbreaker to have lowest damage taken, sometimes even close to 0. And in the end, least damage taken is one of the most important stats.
Depends on the character, but yes. On sister with scrounger it's really strong as a crit will refund an entire javelin back so you basically get free shots. It's good on waystalker with blood shot to make it fire twice in one shot. I'm not really a fan of it on shade, but on handmaiden if you run dance of blades you can dodge and get 10% extra power easily.
I run it on WS with a spear as a secondary weapon. Basically, javelins suck in melee with a horde, but if you can keep your distance, you can mow them down with a ridiculous ease. Elites, bosses and specials all melt to javelins, so right now I'm working on my dodges. I bet that when I master the art of fighting without blocking or pushing, I will be able to only use the spear when surrounded in a tight place.
Hmm I’ve never once used the spear and spear and shield.. guess I’ll have to give it a try. Recently I’ve been addicted to shade with dual swords (Idk where to find the exact stats like u do) but I notice I get hella crits with dual swords
There's a mod called armory that you can use to see the specific traits and stuff on all the weapons. It's approved for official realm too which is nice.
@@lukerobinson6720 I don't think the Armory affects it at all on maps, since you only get access to its content in the keep. I suppose it can make you game load a bit slower when you start it from Steam, but that's it.
As a handmaiden elf player, kinda love the axe. Mediocre at hordes, but that dodge utility and 100% armor piercing attacks and good heavies makes it a wonderful little thing for chaos baddies and any pathetic little shield rats in the way.
may i ask how do u switch weapons that fast? at 1:39 where u kill that assassin rat. i sometimes find myself trying to block just to realise im aiming with my ranged weapon
For that part Wet was using the lvl 30 perk Loaded Arrow?? I forgot the name. It changes your ult from multiple arrows to one powerful arrow that you have to aim yourself. If you get a head shot with your ult you get 100% of your ult back. The only trick that I know about switching weapons faster is block + push attack + q (i may have missed something here or added the push attack). It cancels the animation where you bring up the weapon, so you almost instantly have your ranged in your hand. I use this with bounty hunter with rapier + griffonfoot. I kill 1 thing, push attack + q into griffonfoot and shoot the horde and switch back to melee.
still dont get why they removed the linesman (or was it heavy lm? i cant even remember exactly) from heavy 2 on 1h sword, feels akward to use now but the list looks on point to me overall, nice vid ^^
Has anything changed? When I look at the stats in game they single sword looks like it has amazing armor damage. Way higher than the other sword weapons. Just curious how trustworthy the in game stats are on the current patch.
I would actually give the 1handed sword a B tier or Even go ad far as A, its got great horde clear and devestating heavy attacks, and granted they Are slow but they hit super Hard.
but whats the difference between linesman and tank? u said it is a cleave bonus, but how or in what does it work? Is linesman for slaves-like creatures?, is heavylinesma for medium enemies like stromverminds?, does the tank modifier make u able to cleave several hyperarmored enemies like caos warriors? Im confused xd
@@edudcb9989 Heavy linesman is the same as linesman except it's just more enemies you can cleave through basically. Only for infantry, just more. You're welcome though.
@@edudcb9989 All 3 help against infantry, though numbers may vary a little bit. Tank works for infantry and armor (not chaos warriors) Linesman works against infantry and berserkers (monks and savages) Heavy linesman works against all of the above including chaos warriors. It should still be noted that an attack that has tank is not guaranteed to be able to cleave armor. There is a hidden modifier to attacks that determines whether they can or cannot cleave armor. Coghammer for example has tank on lights but can never cleave armor. Finally I don't remember where maulers fit in. I think tank works linesman doesn't and heavy works but I'm not sure
Fatshark should've just made the sword and axe dual-wielding weapons like for Saltz and Kruber or just paired those weapons with shields, either way, it would have made them better.
Cleave axe is op……you can shrewd hordes and do good dps to elites and boss and monsters…..ok elf is not as good as mercenary for hordes but still she is realy good…..
900 of my hours in this game are on shade dagger/dagger and I felt less impressive with my soloing of a boss after grail knight came out and could just walk up and do it, no positioning required.
@@HeroOfTheWeb No, but you can trample a chaos patrol into the ground and slaughter at least half before they get back up :D And with the con pot.. you won't oneshot a boss, but you will make it feel miserable alright.
For me its about what mood I am in then playing the best class. I play all classes except the wizard that dont suit my playstyle at all. Now I playing Marcus alot because its fun for the moment, The soldier and the dwarf is so maxed out and I am tired of playing them
The helmet is what is gross, the skin is actually quite nice. I like it with her default hood because that adjusts to the color of whatever armor she has on.
Fun fact: the axe is not too terrible in the Chaos Wastes. I know, I do sound crazy. But.. just try this shit xD There are a lot of ways to remedy its abysmal cleave and weird move patterns.
@@WetMagic ..but then again, I keep getting boons with "when refilling ammo" precondition why playing with the Moonbow... xD I still am wondering whether Sienna can get them as well, that'd be completely unfair.
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I recently tried spear and shield for the first time and once you get your combos down it is so nice.
Staggering monks out of their combos with opportunist never gets old.
Looking at her weapon selections just reinforces my opinion that the developers of this game are Elf mains
many of the hero/class combinations are excellent. I watched a guy heavy attack mace/sword ( I think it was) his way through cataclysm modded to be many times harder. The only attacks he did was heavy attacks over and over, and he never even got hit.
@@HeroOfTheWeb Mace and sword is overturned, the heavies are especially so.
Still, overall elf has the best weapons in the game. Kruber has other good weapons but not on the elf's level.
Sister of thorn: Normie
Waywatcher: Casual to long time player
Shade: scum of the earth
Handmaiden: Appreciates how versatile the class is
-sincerely anything but elf main
@@sbraypaynt i hate shade players LOL waywatcher is the normie player, sister of thorn is casual to longtime and handmaiden is gigachad team player
@@siegfriedgottz698 ^
I run waystalker with the great sword because, like you said, it doesn't do amazing dmg, therefore, it helps build temp hp rather easily and fast
I'd put glaive as S tier due to solid cleave, wide l1/l2 sweeps into hordes, armor piercing, high damage, and especially that h1-h2 combo that deletes elites and with a concoction pot will actually even shred bosses.
no javelin when used as melee weapon? missed opportunity there. good vid!
Great list and explanation! I wish I could see an in-game example of all the different move-sets, but the gameplay footage was lovely too.
I just love the dynamic of double swords, i just feel comfy with them with the heavys, and i use javelin for armor and im ok
Her worst weapon is her venomous attitude. When someone plays Kerillian I play Kruber just to counter her voice lines with inspiring voice lines from the footknight.
I think I am literally the only person who loves the one handed sword. It's utility is perfect for me on waystalker, great for getting into position.
You are not alone it is a fun weapon! Heavy 1 into AP light stab is great!
It's also pretty good on handmaiden. Good dodge distance and 100 dodges, as well as no weaknesses outside of comparitively low damage. Has good synergy with her already superb defense.
I would like to add that the one handed sword realy shines on handmaiden, take the talent which gives you attack spead and power on push and only do the first two light attacks then block push (repeat).
Add a crit and you are looking at 35% Attackspeed PLUS the extra strenght, against normal hords this weapon wrecks. Headshots on minions are quit easy.
For elites dance left and right and do heavys.
For Handmaiden i would put it in A at least.
Why not use Greatsword the same way?
@@Gilmaru
Im not so good with placing the thrust attack but i would assume it does great too if someone knows what he is doing.
I started playing shade for the heck of it, and now I'm a shade main...
Wet's recent video on the horde clearing shade build made me fall in love with the class.
Cloak of mist shade is very op. I have 300 levels or so on shade alone, the amount of ridiculous stuff you can pull off if you combine cloak of mist with vanish is just silly.
Elf has a lot of great weapons.
She lowkey has the best weapons in the game
Glad to see the Spear and shield up there at the top cus I think it's just the coolest weapon for her. Also reinforced my suspicion that daggers are OP.
Kinda crazy her handmaiden class is the only class that allows her to use a shield.
6:40 holy crap the amount of damage on that attack from behind XD
Love all vids bro!! Keep it up!!
Thanks!
Wow that damage at 5:13 was sexy. Goodbye Gatekeeper.
Also, pretty new player here who's been watching a lot of Wet Magic recently, and I have a question. I recently received a red sword and dagger, my favorite weapon! With really good modifiers that were obviously maxed out! What joy! ...aaaand it's at power level 185. Does power matter enough that I shouldn't use this perfect weapon? Is there anything I can do to bump it up? Or am I just cursed to salvage a perfect weapon because I happened to receive it too early?
Yea the more chests you open the higher the power level. It'll be fine for lower difficulties, but I wouldn't bring into legend or higher. At least you get some red dust ya know?
Reds can only be lvl 300. It must be an orange.
@@Csatadi i really wanted to disagree with you at the time, but you’re right. For some reason the Sword and Dagger oranges look more red than orange. So that combined with it having perfect stats really threw me off
Forget about weapon stats until you reach item power 300. Every weapon you get until that point will be obsolete a few chests/craftings later.
What matters most is finding a red item of the type you want, as properties and traits can be rerolled for an affordable price in orange dust. So no need to worry about those so much :).
Just put everything in S because we all know she's broken. She's the only character which you can do the best no matter what job she is.
This is fair.
@Cuman Gaming 1handed sword.
@Cuman Gaming what are you smoking
@Cuman Gaming glaive, dual swords, sword, sword and dagger, dual daggers.... So many elf weapons deal with hordes easily.
I wouldn't say she's 'broken'. No matter who you play in this game, you must master the mechanics. In that sense ironbreaker can be considered 'broken' because gromnil armor can basically mean it covers for your occasional mistake. It's not unusual for ironbreaker to have lowest damage taken, sometimes even close to 0. And in the end, least damage taken is one of the most important stats.
Is there any viable dlc build using the throwing spear as a main melee weapon? Thanks for the tier list tho, great video.
Depends on the character, but yes. On sister with scrounger it's really strong as a crit will refund an entire javelin back so you basically get free shots. It's good on waystalker with blood shot to make it fire twice in one shot. I'm not really a fan of it on shade, but on handmaiden if you run dance of blades you can dodge and get 10% extra power easily.
@@WetMagic Thanks, will try it.
I run it on WS with a spear as a secondary weapon. Basically, javelins suck in melee with a horde, but if you can keep your distance, you can mow them down with a ridiculous ease. Elites, bosses and specials all melt to javelins, so right now I'm working on my dodges. I bet that when I master the art of fighting without blocking or pushing, I will be able to only use the spear when surrounded in a tight place.
when do you recon Victor gets next specialization ? around X-mas?
probably this month
I would say late November or early December if the pattern of releasing new careers holds.
Hmm I’ve never once used the spear and spear and shield.. guess I’ll have to give it a try. Recently I’ve been addicted to shade with dual swords (Idk where to find the exact stats like u do) but I notice I get hella crits with dual swords
There's a mod called armory that you can use to see the specific traits and stuff on all the weapons. It's approved for official realm too which is nice.
@@WetMagic Thanks. i've never used mods. do they impact performance greatly?
@@lukerobinson6720 I don't think the Armory affects it at all on maps, since you only get access to its content in the keep. I suppose it can make you game load a bit slower when you start it from Steam, but that's it.
As a handmaiden elf player, kinda love the axe. Mediocre at hordes, but that dodge utility and 100% armor piercing attacks and good heavies makes it a wonderful little thing for chaos baddies and any pathetic little shield rats in the way.
may i ask how do u switch weapons that fast? at 1:39 where u kill that assassin rat. i sometimes find myself trying to block just to realise im aiming with my ranged weapon
Press Q
For that part Wet was using the lvl 30 perk Loaded Arrow?? I forgot the name. It changes your ult from multiple arrows to one powerful arrow that you have to aim yourself. If you get a head shot with your ult you get 100% of your ult back.
The only trick that I know about switching weapons faster is block + push attack + q (i may have missed something here or added the push attack). It cancels the animation where you bring up the weapon, so you almost instantly have your ranged in your hand. I use this with bounty hunter with rapier + griffonfoot. I kill 1 thing, push attack + q into griffonfoot and shoot the horde and switch back to melee.
Greatsword: Heavy 1 then tap LMB leads to Heavy 2. Good follow up attack.
What. How did I not know about this. I thought the second heavy attack on the elven greatsword was a myth
@@JeyJeyKing1 Yeah. The CCs seem to have spread that myth too unintentionally. Not really their fault #JustFatsharkThings
still dont get why they removed the linesman (or was it heavy lm? i cant even remember exactly) from heavy 2 on 1h sword, feels akward to use now
but the list looks on point to me overall, nice vid ^^
Has anything changed? When I look at the stats in game they single sword looks like it has amazing armor damage. Way higher than the other sword weapons. Just curious how trustworthy the in game stats are on the current patch.
I would actually give the 1handed sword a B tier or Even go ad far as A, its got great horde clear and devestating heavy attacks, and granted they Are slow but they hit super Hard.
I find it specifically good on SOT with the amount of crits it gets paired with her talents, it’s my main for that class no doubt
but whats the difference between linesman and tank? u said it is a cleave bonus, but how or in what does it work? Is linesman for slaves-like creatures?, is heavylinesma for medium enemies like stromverminds?, does the tank modifier make u able to cleave several hyperarmored enemies like caos warriors? Im confused xd
Linesman is for cleaving infantry and tank is for cleaving armor. That's really the only difference.
@@WetMagic and heavy linesman? Ty for answering :D
@@edudcb9989 Heavy linesman is the same as linesman except it's just more enemies you can cleave through basically. Only for infantry, just more. You're welcome though.
@@edudcb9989 All 3 help against infantry, though numbers may vary a little bit.
Tank works for infantry and armor (not chaos warriors)
Linesman works against infantry and berserkers (monks and savages)
Heavy linesman works against all of the above including chaos warriors.
It should still be noted that an attack that has tank is not guaranteed to be able to cleave armor. There is a hidden modifier to attacks that determines whether they can or cannot cleave armor. Coghammer for example has tank on lights but can never cleave armor.
Finally I don't remember where maulers fit in. I think tank works linesman doesn't and heavy works but I'm not sure
Fatshark should've just made the sword and axe dual-wielding weapons like for Saltz and Kruber or just paired those weapons with shields, either way, it would have made them better.
where to get detailed weapon stats?
I think the elven axe would be cooler or better if it had a small shield to go with it
Best vermituber
Thanks mate.
Been waiting to try sword and shield handmaiden. What talents should I run for her?
Nice one! :D
Waystalker main with Glaive. Love it
dual daggers is more satisfying than the sword and dagger. I just love flensing with 2 knives like legolas.
Right on \m/,
no elf NOPERS
My tier list:
S - Spear & Shield
A -
B -
C -
D -
E -
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Pinhead Elf
The glaive (technically it isn’t actually a glaive) is the best weapon and I will die on this hill.
elven axe should be in z tier, otherwise good list
Kerillian is the BMF
Axe is D tier and S tier, to make it S tier you must change some talents and adapt play style and use those dodges.
Cleave axe is op……you can shrewd hordes and do good dps to elites and boss and monsters…..ok elf is not as good as mercenary for hordes but still she is realy good…..
900 of my hours in this game are on shade dagger/dagger and I felt less impressive with my soloing of a boss after grail knight came out and could just walk up and do it, no positioning required.
Footknight is a GK with more versatility, change my mind.
@@sholahverassa8582 I do like footknight more but I don't think you can 1 shot a boss on Cata like a GK (or close to)
@@HeroOfTheWeb No, but you can trample a chaos patrol into the ground and slaughter at least half before they get back up :D And with the con pot.. you won't oneshot a boss, but you will make it feel miserable alright.
For me its about what mood I am in then playing the best class. I play all classes except the wizard that dont suit my playstyle at all. Now I playing Marcus alot because its fun for the moment, The soldier and the dwarf is so maxed out and I am tired of playing them
fire video join the discord
Glaive is S tier and is better than Sword and Dagger
Change my mind
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You can't I am never wrong B)
Glaive doesn't have an S in its name, so it can't be in the S tier, get slamdunked :D
Glaive is hopelessly too unsafe and struggles with mixed hordes. Definitely not S tier. Good damage, but doesn't keep up on higher difficulties.
Not putting greatsword as S tier... not mentioning how it has the best movespeed tech in the game.. im disappoint
Sorry fam
An elf tierlist? Disgusting.
The spear is trash for hordes, idc what y'all say.
The most disgusting skin ever lol
The helmet is what is gross, the skin is actually quite nice. I like it with her default hood because that adjusts to the color of whatever armor she has on.
Ahh got ya yeah I was mainly referring to her hat
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Her hat looks nice on the blue armour tho, you need to try.
@@joachimgauckler8555 Ehhh I would if it wasn't ten dollars too much fora skin in my opinion
@@yakusimeonoff6265
Damn thats expensive, here in europe you are looking at six euros or so.
Fun fact: the axe is not too terrible in the Chaos Wastes. I know, I do sound crazy. But.. just try this shit xD There are a lot of ways to remedy its abysmal cleave and weird move patterns.
This is true. Boons can fix any bad weapon.
@@WetMagic ..but then again, I keep getting boons with "when refilling ammo" precondition why playing with the Moonbow... xD I still am wondering whether Sienna can get them as well, that'd be completely unfair.