ProJared I'm just wondering are we not getting top ten best and worst games this year. I really don't care either way but I'm just wondering for this year.
Since this is your final D&D episode of the year, will you finally go back to your Final Fantasy series? I saw a bit of your FFIV stream, so I know you probably have something prepared.
My dad walked up behind me while i was watching this and he commented "Wait, is that the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon?" And he named every single character and class of the top of his head
There's probably an outtake of him throwing the last book in, going "three... two... one... and CUT! Oh my poor babies, I hope I didn't damage you!" as he hurriedly fishes them back out.
mathematics117 damn now i need to see a dnd church . "And then God said Wizards of the 2nd level will only be allowed to cast magic missile once per day !"
As my party’s self-designated primary support, I do notice how the other players (and me sometimes, let’s be real) tend to try to do awesome things in combat individually rather than try to do combos or set-ups. Example: Our monk froze the mad ape (easily the biggest threat of the encounter) solid with his ice breath only for our wizard to immediately target it with a firebolt, thus thawing it and rendering g the freezing completely moot.
the way she is portrait in the cartoon yes she is, in the dragon graveyard episode she is badass. even the place sets her up as a badass. you see dragon likes to hoard stuff. and there is plenty of powerful weapons laying around. but if tiamat is not hoarding this stuff it means all these weapons are meaningless to tiamat. its just trash for her. and you find out it was trash indeed as the childs try to fight her with their empowered weapons and even so they cant even scratch her scales. even with bob weapons being able to sunder the ground creating a ravine. presto and hank weapons exploding like TNT. nothign deals damage to her. that is the moment you realise tiamat has left these weapons laying around as a testament to her power. and that she could have killed venger and the childs all along if she wanted it. remember when she simply finds venger and with a wing move she bring her to dragon graveyard?
dt5101961Nelon I literally hid this exact set up. My party had a goblin rouge who never sneaked around, a half elf paladin who always ran away and never healed, and a gnome wizard who would never cast spells, only use his quarterstaff. I literally was the only one doing anything, AND I WAS A GOD DAMN WOOD ELF DRUID. There was also a drow sorcerer, and we basically carried the party.
@@supremeleaderseymour2658 Oh, so an average game then? Seems Legit. I was playing 3.5 as a HalfElf Ranger while we had a Dwarf Cleric who kept on abandoning the party to go drink, a Elf Wizard who had only Illusion, Transmutation and Divination Spells, a Human Fighter who was a complete coward, and a Halfling Druid who kept on talking to animals and spending her spell slots on useless shit. I was the only person who gave a shit and left the game after I identified a falling rock trap and let the party get killed by it. Thank you, Scroll containing Word of Recall.
Or Bigby's Magic Hand, which was banned for use in one of my games after one of my party members used it exclusively to flip off enemies, grope another party member, bar wenches, and an orc woman he was fighting, and try to slowly drive the mayor of a town crazy by moving things in his house while he wasn't home. Sufficed to say, that character did in fact end with the phrase "Oh, you are VERY dead."
Here's a fun fact. One of the last publications from 3.5 was the "Animated Series Handbook," which provides stats on the kids, their weapons, and Venger. All their magical gear is pretty good. Hanks energy bow can make infinite arrows and gives off light like a torch, Sheila's cloak can cast Invisibility five times a day or Greater Invisibility twice a day, and Bobby's club gives him +4 Strength and a big ground pound attack. And they get all this right away. Dungeon Master is DEFINITELY the nicest DM ever.
plus unlike a lot of DMs he actually lets the players solve problems beyond just combat, such as letting them use tiamat to fight the bad guy for them.
A fun fact, in that finale that you mentioned, it's revealed that Venger is actually Dungeon Master's son, and its because of him becoming good again that they make it back home. On the dvd release, it has the storyboards for that episode that was never made.
This cartoon was BIG here in Brazil! It was called something like "Cavern of the Dragon" so even though I of course knew it and loved it, and when older got to know DnD, I never made the connection until I saw the name of the show in english. Most of us don't have idea it belongs to the DnD franchise.
Honestly the show might be rated higher if it wasn't related to D&D at least in name. Like the video said one of it's biggest flaws is it doesn't really represent the game much( although better then other shows and games) so if it stood on it's own more people probably would have enjoyed it.
Jacen355 this cartoon has the distinct advantage of being good, though. The Zelda cartoon has the same story heats on repeat. You could argue the same thing in this show as well, as their goal is always getting home, but at least it deals with more geographically different scenarios, showing an expansive world, as opposed to Zelda being the castle, the woods, and Ganon’s fortress. This show always has some interesting inter party discussions and dynamics, and even has some intriguing moral dilemmas, while Zelda’s animated intrigues tend to revolve around “Get the Tri-Force!!! Oh no! Something bad happened! We can’t zap Ganon a third time now!”
@@nickmanzo8459 I was just comparing them based on "having hints of the source material" but still having a quite a bit of their own universe. Also the simplified daily adventures. They give lots of nostalgia for childhood things and the times where we were more easily impressed. But I definitely understand your points.
To be fair, half the party being totally worthless is pretty accurate to a lot of old D&D parties. Rolling your stats in order made for some lopsided groups of adventurers.
Depends on the DM and what you can convince him of, Xifihas. People were coming up with point-buy systems long before WotC did it, there's all sorts of customization along the lines of "reroll 1s," "reroll lowest die once," "reroll 1s and 2s," "roll four and drop the lowest," so on, so forth, and yes, whether you assigned them in order or at your behest was a matter of how merciful your DM was too. It's not as common with recent editions gaining popularity, but yeah, it still happens.
Heck I wish more people followed that rule, it would make many characters a lot more interesting. Nowadays gms are too nice and allow a dozen rerolls and let you put anything rolled in whatever stat, making pretty much every character made a god at their role, when a big part of d&d is supposed to be role playing around the hand you're dealt. That's part of what makes it fun and why I don't sweat the details and even put my own limits like this on rolling something up. It's a real wake up call to how out of hands things are getting when one of my friends rolls up something with his LOWEST stat being 10 (average human stat in second ed is 9's) and incessantly complains about rolling terribly.
+Orbus G Of course, as a person who's been bred by modern D&D, the inflation in stats also leaves alot of room for DMs to be all the more tricksters. Whenever in doubt, remember that no matter how well-prepared your party is, the DM is largely in-control. On a less facetious note, it really depends on the type of game you wanna play. I admire the fact that D&D is flexible enough for both to exist, but some campaigns are better than others for this. If you're running more dark-fantasy or "Reality meets fantasy" settings with the idea of lethality and "survival of the fittest" moments, then yes, I as a DM would empose the party with the AD&D "3d6. that's your lot in life" approach. However, D&D is also for doing something more silly. Sometimes you want to just make a party set-up and go on a fantastical odyssey through strange locations and encountering all sorts of magical mishaps. If you just want an excuse to play some D&D, then using just standard array or letting people point-buy it is fine. It's good for shorter campaigns most specifically.
i had no control over how came into this world why on earth would i be satisfied with the same approach to a game i'm supposed to pour dozens if not hundreds of hours into? if i'm to make a time commitment like that i'm going to play a character that i want to play and i'm not going to let myself be handicapped by random chance, i'm fine with most rolling conventions (though i prefer point buy myself) but rolling 3d6 in order is absolute horseshit and just results in unplayable messes of characters for most at the table or being forced into a character type you have no interest in playing. now maybe for a one-shot or something i could be convinced to roll-up a character like that when the expectation is the character ending up dead by the end of it but other than that i'm not going to resign myself to a useless character.
He actually played one of my favorite characters on Voltron: Commander Hawkins. He did a great job voicing a capital ship skipper in what was the better part of Voltron to me.
From what I've read and heard the writers of this show wanted to do a lot, but due to television guidelines at the time and interference from higher ups a lot of those plans got screwed up. They couldn't show direct physical violence or anyone getting seriously hurt (most of the time anyway) so they had to toy with indirect attacks and less violent looking energy attacks. Eric was actually supposed to be a flawed, interesting character but for some reason the higher ups wanted him constantly complaining. The writers still got away with a lot though and there are some really neat episodes in the series. Also I think on DVD or online somewhere, the original cast was brought back together to do a little 'audio play' of the finale episode using the script you mentioned near the end.
One interesting episode was the one where they straight out tried to murder the antagonist by setting Tiamat against him. Cartoon heroes trying to murder someone was simply not done. It really was a violent show, for the time.
@@JaelinBezel Thus far, the only D&D thing shown has been the dragons. For instance, if you look at the bit where VM is recounting their strangest/best kills, Vax's story about the character clearly meant to be Hotis, a Rakshasa taken out by Vox Machina in Vasselheim, was just an anthropomorphic tiger, lacking the backwards facing hands that denote a Rakshasa. The Whispered One, The Dawnfather, and the Everlight are all referred to as such rather than by Vecna, Pelor, or Sarenrae. This is, sadly, due to rights issues most likely.
You know, I can **easily** see this show getting a Netflix Voltron style reboot. And I would welcome it with open arms. Maybe whoever is making it can even redact some of the characters so their classes are a bit more different, and make Venger an actually cool looking and interesting character.
Here in Brazil it was actually a big hit when it aired fully dubbed in the late 90s/starting the 2000s. Most kids that grew with it love it to this day, and still wish for a proper finale. A big part of the fanbase believes the DM is actually evil and I remember something about him being Venger's father
I read an interview once with one of the writers that said there was a an actual policy in the writing room that Eric the Cavalier always had to be wrong. In general, network executives of the time considered 'the complainer is always wrong' a very pro-social message and to keep things simple, they saddled it all on Eric. Even in situation where Eric's logic is actually correct, the universe of the show (and the cast) will prove Eric wrong for the sin of being the dissenting opinion. A similar theme can be seen in the slightly later Captain Planet where Wheeler is the designated wrong person.
I wonder if the acrobat class was used because cleric/paladin/druid.monk etc was considered too risky since they are all based on/ or sound affiliated with worshipping deities and non-accepted religions?
@@fancyb.p.6122 This cartoon came out in the time of the "satanic panic" where lots of religious people thought devil worshipers where going to kidnap their babies and sacrifice them to satan and D&D was already on the bad end of it. Any magic healing not from baby Jesus would be considered satanic, so they steered clear of it likely due to the crazy people.
Unfortunately, I've seen the wikipedia long before this comment was made. It's about moreorless the same as comparing it to the Book of Errotic Fantasy. Basically, D&D, but with monster girls, like Monster Musume.
Hey Jared! Fun fact about the cartoon: in Brazil it is an absolute classic. It had reruns all through the 90's and is one of the most recognizable and influential cartoons of the time here. A real cult classic which inspired a lot of people to delve further into fantasy and D&D, including myself :)
A group of kids gets transported to a fantasy world which is based off of D&D... ...omg this is an isekai before that subgenre became the norm today lol
@AdamYJ not in the few I've seen or read. Granted to say the genre is oversaturated, is the mother of all under statements, so I've definitely scratched the surface
Cartoons of this era were severely restricted as to how physical a confrontation could get. Throwing a punch was out of the question. What was allowed amounted to body throws, 'lasers' and indirect environmental attacks. You see it here, on He-Man & She-Ra etc, even 80s TMNT.
And that's why I was expecting to see Venger in the Avengers. Serio, ele foi a primeira coisa que me veio a cabeça na primeira vez que eu ouvi sobre "Os Vingadores".
I don't know if that's a thing in the US, but here in Brazil there's this popular urban legend of how the finale would've been: Supposedly, they all died in the rollercoaster. This "magical world" is actually purgatory/limbo(or straight up hell, I can't recall), and Venger and the Dungeon Master are actually the same person: the literal devil, who's just fucking with them. Also, a brazilian cartoonist made a comic book of the finale, based on the actual script of the final episode. It's called Requiem, but I've never read it though.
You only forgot the part where they say that Tiamat was actually an angel.(Or atleast that's what my friend, who told me about this theory, said... not putting my hand on the fire over a info that has like... 8 or 9 years... i think...)
Olha os BR invadindo huehue But in the end the creators of the series denied the "everyone died in the roller coaster" theory, either way, it was fun to imagine what would it be like if this was the true ending
Fun fact: In Brazil, this cartoon's name is "Caverna do Dragão", which would be translated to Dragon's Cavern. Not having this reference, the public in Brazil enjoyed a lot more the cartoon, without the need to compare it to the source material, turning into a classic in the country.
Olemgar what happened here in Brazil was that the cartoons were repeated many times in the open channels, and the closed TV, which contained new cartoons was extremely expensive until near 2005 where it had a huge drop in the price of the monthly (and here in Brazil the open TV is only 5 common channels and 2 educational channels), and the channels opened when they got some cartoon exhibited it all for months, and they often repeated the same cartoons for already being in popular taste, D & D was one of those cases, and some others like Super Friends, Woody Woodpecker, Tom and Jerry, the Mickey and Donald short films ... of being relayed fell in the taste of the people...
Paul Dini and Michael Reaves wrote a few episodes of this show and went on to work for more acclaimed shows like Batman and Gargoyles. Miss Martian on Young Justice pays homage to Sheila by flipping her hood up when she disappears.
Funny story about Eric: Mark Evanier, one of the showwriters, made a blog post discussing why Eric was included in the show. In it, he said that "Parent Groups" insisted on the insertion of pro-social morals into the shows, and according to those groups, the correct moral was "The group is always right, the complainer is always wrong."
HASEnoncorperated That's the thing, the parent groups themselves never existed and corporate rumormongers just use this nebulous "well they've done studies" excuse to force cartoon writers into making the shows have a certain morality (which also just so happened to increase the likelihood of certain toys selling better). The most famous example is when Ghostbusters suddenly became SLIMER AND the Ghostbusters, a thing which neither the audience or the writers wanted but got pushed through because censorship.. check out Phelan Porteus' multi-part documentary on it to see the conspiracy fully realized.
Didn't they also make it so he was actually proven right a good chunk of the time? Similar stuff happened in Captain Planet with Wheeler, ESPECIALLY during the two 'overpopulation' episodes.
Acrobat was a subclass in AD&D. It was supplemental material found in Dragon magazine, but it was an actual class. I know this is supposed to be humorous, and I enjoyed watching for your jokes, but the context of the 80's should be taken into account here. The show had to adhere to pretty strict standards. That's why so many cartoons had lasers. They weren't real guns. Just look at the GI Joe cartoon. No one ever gets shot. Of course this show couldn't actually have anyone stabbed or slashed, so the laser effect was the best they could do to show "combat". Compared to a lot of children's TV, this show is exceptional. There is no ham-fisted attempt to address age, gender, or racial differences, it just shows the various characters having their own agency regardless. I'd say that alone puts it ahead of just about any kids' show from then or now. The characters are often tested on an ethical level and they show good decision making and courage. It's a great show. But yeah, it's also easy to poke fun because it's way off the mark for a serious D&D player. And come on, it was the 80's. That alone means it will probably be pretty silly.
its still good even with that knowledge, i think you will still enjoy the events. now i am getting out of here, i still got to watch the final video XD
So it has to be made in japan? I wish they could make like DC DVD animated movie with uniqe concept like this. Could be really cool and if a movie get´s really popular they should try a show aimed for teens and up.
I'd rather see one of Planescape. There's alot more creativity and mature themes to the setting. Just more potential than another knights and dragons series
Knowing Star Wars, nothing from Star Wars is originally from Star Wars. In all seriousness, Autobot guns make a "choowoo" sound, Decepticon guns make a "teeteeteeteeroo" sound, Rebel blasters make a "choom" sound and Empire blasters make a "pyaroong" sound.
+TigerNightmare It wasn't just blaster sounds. Just go to almost any TFWiki article on a G1 episode and it'll have a list of lightsabre hums, door clashes and alderaans being blown up being used as the SFX for something completely different. I don't actually remember the stormtrooper blaster ever being used but apparently it showed up in at least the episode Blaster Blues as a Seeker strafing run sound.
Huh... it turns out that Wizards of the Coast actually made an "Animated Series Handbook" for D&D 3.5, with stats for the heroes, their items, and Venger.
Here in Brazil we still have reruns of Dungeons and Dragons (known as "caverna do dragão", a mostly literal translation) it was shown almost every week from 1986 up to 2014 on one of the biggest television networks. Up until I was like 16 years old, I had no idea that this cartoon was about the tabletop game because of the translated name being different from the boxes. I always liked it because, at the time, it was one of the most different shows in television and, even if it was silly most of the time, had a continous plot where characters do somewhat grow specially in their abilities and the way they use their weapons up to the final episodes. Brazil was a super weird market for television in the 80s and 90s, we got shows a few years delayed because of production and dubbing that always went at a snail pace. It is super beloved here and I'm bummed out that you didn't seem to like it very much. =(
@@adriannaranjo4397 nop, dumb. he said back then in 80's or 90's. Now everything gets here in a minute because Brazil consumes a lot of pop culture stuff and hypes it really fast, the bad is that some of these things are shit, like the Twilight saga.
Kind of the same to us. I'm your neighbour, man, from Argentina. I recently found out the sculptures they are releasing THIS YEAR OF 2019, for many characters. Venger's prototype is already made. You can already pre order, but they are insanely expensive.
Yeah.. I'm from the US, and I remember a few of these episodes as they aired. I was not into D&D.. but did enjoy the show for what it was. A Saturday Morning cartoon.. haha.. an of course.. Optimus Prime voice..lol
No it's just that my comparison between the cartoon and the movies just aren't good as he *might* and I repeat might have do a video on it next December.
hey that ain't fair, the second one is actually fairly decent at capturing the feeling of a lot of the game, and the third one's biggest sin is the protag is a shitty paladin and it expects you to know a lot of Grayhawk and general D&D stuff.
Even though there was no final episode, I'm guessing it was all a very real illusion of the ride that made them feel like they were in DnD and not even an hour passed since they were on the ride. As they walk off (either to home or to another ride in the park), we see Dungeon Master hidden among the crowd and he gives us the "SSHHH" gesture, indicating it was all his doing and that he'll continue to do so for future "adventurers."
THACO stand for To Hit Armor Class 0. It was a value of reference to know how much you needed to score to hit your target with your super weapon of doom that just happened to be a cursed berserk sword : D. So if your THACO was 15 you needed to roll 16(bonus from all sources included) to hit an armor class of -1(yeah it is counter intuitive I know) etc... to a maximum of 20 for -5 AC in this instance. And if you were to try to hit higher then that you would need to roll a natural 20 on your d20 dice. This is the way armor class was treated in basic, expert, advanced and second edition of the game.
Juan D'Marco they redid the armor system in 3e after Wizard of the Cost bought it. Now more armor class is good instead of less. Not sure what else change.
Why would you ever think the reboot would have the same puritanical mentality of the 80s/90s? If it were to ever be rebooted it would probably age them up, change their classes (ae acrobat to monk, ranger to arcane archer, cavalier to fighter or cleric), and take away the swords magical abilities to shoot laser beams and let them actually cut things. but in the case of a reboot of the cartoon happening, I doubt it would actually happen despite DnD's return to the public eye in newer media
On Brazil I think they changed her class from Acrobat to Amazon if I' m not mistaken, which would actually make more sense, since she act as a warrior with Bojutsu(stick)
Well, the official (yes there was one) statting of her in 3.5 did put her class as a Monk. Though somehow she still had inferior physical stats to Bobby. Yea, an 8 year old kid has better physicals than a BONA FIDE OLYMPIC ATHLETE.
Jared, this review was... Really good! I don't know what it was but the whole time, your jokes hit me hard and a couple of times I had to pause the video because I was laughing too hard (Still learning how THAC0 works being a primes example). Maybe it was just all the D&D jokes, and my ability to really get most of them, but I truly feel like the acting, writing, and timing was done so well! Keep up the good work, my dude. :D
My personal favorite of the video was when they were fighting snails, and losing, I was really expecting ProJared to say "Allright, that's... that's pretty funny", and instead he went for "relatable". XD
It's interesting to finally see the original version of this show. Hell I didn't even know this was related to DnD until a short while ago, because where I live, the title was translated to something akin to "Dragon's Cavern" and Dungeon Master was called "Master of Wizards" or somesuch.
Caverna do Dragão e mestre dos magos, heh? Wow, spawnou BR aqui com esse vídeo XD No caso, eu nem lembrava direito do desenho :P Por que eu fiquei sabendo de D&D original muito tempo depois, e mesmo sabendo que não tinha nada haver, nunca pensei muito no assunto XD Eu achei os nomes uma boa adaptação though. O pessoal daqui nem conhecia D&D mesmo 'u'
Yes, do look up the book of Erotic Fantasy. If you ever wanted to see the price on a magical prince albert, a giant chart of what races can bread with each other, and how to treat mummy rot as an STD. Comedy gold.
Anyone else want this show to come back in some capacity? It could be like the Voltron Netflix show, where it basically tells an updated version of the original show but does a few things better, like putting in actual D&D abilities and locations in. And Diana could be a bard instead of a made up class, that way she would be more useful and you could still be scantily clad, because you know that's the only reason she's designed the way she is. Presto could be a competent wizard, but still have some kind of emotional issue that keeps him from just nuking everything. Erik could be kinda like Jaune from RWBY, he sucks at the start but gradually gets better as the show continues (He also has a sword to go with the shield) And sheila actually does thief shit like stealing and lock picking, but she justifies it by saying she's stealing from assholes. But then there's an episode where she has to steal from an innocent dude and she's not sure she can go through with it. Just some ideas.
This cartoon was huge here in Brazil in the 80's and 90's and still to this day people that grew up at that time still have fond memories of the cartoon. I grew up watching re-runs every morning on tv back then so I gotta admit I look at it with rose-tinted spectacles.
I remember watching this as a kid on reruns too,it was a weird show for me even then. Fun Fact,in Brazil they translated the show name as "Cavern of the Dragon" for some odd reason.
This cartoon was really popular in Brazil when I was a child, way before me and my friends knew about the Dungeons and Dragons game. We watched it without knowing it was based on someting, thinking it was its own thing. And we loved it! It is actually a huge nostalgic classic for many people in Brazil. Years later, when we were already playing a lot of D&D, someone figured out it is based on the game and that just exploded our minds. The name of the cartoon is tranlated to Portuguese, so it wasn't so simple to piece the two together.
I can just realize the slow realization. "Hey, there's a Tiamat in this game... Cool reference." "Wait, there's Kobolds too?" "I guess they're all mythological references right?" "Can't be this game, there's no acrobat class." "what do you mean there **was** an acrobat class? When?"
It made an interesting point when it said that Charisma is typically incorrectly used solely as a measure of how good someone looks rather than their force of personality, but that's about all I got out of the book. Some of the spells were funny, though.
Funny thing. The Dungeons and Dragons Animated Series Handbook put all the kids at level 7 in their respective class but then again that was by D&D 3.5 rules. It also changes the classes Eric and Diana have. Eric is a fighter (not a Cavalier) and Diana is a Monk (not an Acrobat). I should mention that the Record of Lodoss War anime (which was based on an actual D&D campaign) had even _less_ in terms of monsters and magic then this cartoon.
Monk pretty much had all relevant Acrobat features rolled into it as a base class since it was determined everyone hated the Acrobat, but Gygax wanted it to live on. Kinda made a bit of a resurgence as a subset of Rogue again in 4E, but too many people took offense to that edition as a whole, so I think it's doubly dead now. Not the biggest loss, since that's more fun for the Monk to have.
Also, too bad Sun Soul Monk wasn't a thing when the cartoon was being made. It would make Sheila a little bit more useful in combat since she can just shoot energy out of her hands.
@@harlannguyen4048 What's wrong with 4E? Honestly, nothing really. Mechanically, it's easily the most balanced and well tuned edition of D&D, maybe even of Tabletop RPGs in general. But, maybe that's kinda the problem itself, a lot of people don't appreciate or want balance. Making all attacking actions rolls and all defensive properties DCs to overcome means no more rolling for saving throws, so there's a greater perception of waiting your turn in combat, for instance. And the game was designed with tactical play in mind, making playing on gridpaper or tiles move intuitive, so movement is described in "squares" of five feet, thus characters having 6 squares of movement instead of 30 feet of movement. Technically that's math most players would parse the game out into anyway, but long times fans did not like it being spelled out, just like they didn't like the roles Classes and different builds of classes could fulfill, like focus on damage dealing, tanking hits, controlling the battlefield, or healing being directly called out in the rules, even though players often self organized classes into such groupings naturally anyways. The final major example would be the uniform nature of separating actions in to At-Will, Encounter, and Daily with mostly consistent availability and relative power of these functions across all classes making the classes feel too gamey, or samey, or as if the nature of this system cuts away the flavor of each class or the like. My own opinion, 4E was/is great. There's plenty of great concepts it introduced that have some carryover to 5E in forms that are less divisive/noticeable to the pickier players, or that are sorely missed being excluded now but are easy to reimplement as a DM, such as skill challenges or minions or bloodied status based abilities. Others aren't realistically possible without just going back to play 4E though, like that neat mechanic were Reflex was based on Dex or Int, Fortitude was Con or Strength, and Will on Wis or Cha, since 5E has the save for every ability score. P.S. Bonus issue people had that is much more objectively justifiable: The way what had since become in previous editions the core classes and races were trickled out over multiple books. While the increased development time of the more complex and fine-tuned features is understandable, the increased cost and wait associated with not getting to play Gnome or Half-Orc or Barbarian or Bard OR Sorcerer until PH2 was released, and Monk not even until as long as it took for PH3 to come out, was a huge hit to player satisfaction. Maybe it was a calculated risk, but it didn't pay off and the extra revenue from additional core rule books wasn't enough to make up for lower sells, so the bloated expense of development caught up with them.
I like fantasy sort of cartoons and must admit, the main draw for me was the opening and I found it pretty cool. Wanted to see how they'd possibly get home. Sad to see the show got cancelled before they could create the end of the story. =(
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ProJared I'm just wondering are we not getting top ten best and worst games this year. I really don't care either way but I'm just wondering for this year.
It’s good to see you back, Jared!
Since this is your final D&D episode of the year, will you finally go back to your Final Fantasy series? I saw a bit of your FFIV stream, so I know you probably have something prepared.
Could not stop laughing at 7:22 when the party is still trying to figure out how Thac0 works. Best. Joke. Ever.
My dad walked up behind me while i was watching this and he commented "Wait, is that the old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon?"
And he named every single character and class of the top of his head
Your dad sounds like a cool dude.
But can he reenact an episolde?
Did he remember Sheila's underwear?
Sadly not!
NNNNNNNNNNNNNYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD!
I'm jealous.
I like how gently Jared was throwing away his dnd books. Even for a comedy bit, he couldn't find it in him to purposely damage them
There's probably an outtake of him throwing the last book in, going "three... two... one... and CUT! Oh my poor babies, I hope I didn't damage you!" as he hurriedly fishes them back out.
Can't say I blame him, honestly. Those books are expensive.
I would do that too. they are the holy books, one does not simply toss them!
mathematics117 damn now i need to see a dnd church .
"And then God said Wizards of the 2nd level will only be allowed to cast magic missile once per day !"
One does not simply throw $45 books
Eric: How many dwarves does it take to change a lightbulb?
Townsfolk: The fuck is a lightbulb?
Guess Artificers weren't a thing yet.
Lmao 👍
nice one
I'm more amused at the fact that they don't know what a lightbulb is but they know the word "fuck".
@dorerd “FUCK” is ancient AF.
Sheila the Thief, who's power is to save the animators' time.
Apocryphal Shedinja how
She goes invisible! Animators love that super power, since they represent it by... Not drawing anything! :D
Apocryphal Shedinja
And plot. Her turning invisible and just fixing the problem saved them dozens of hours of writing believable plot.
And you forgot Sheila's Ultimate Skill...Saving the Studio money by not having to pay the animators to draw her as well.
Apocryphal Shedinja and don’t forget her awesome power to open the FBI up!7:07
"the entire party used teamwork, hunh, wonder what that's like"
God if that doesn't describe every DnD session I've been apart of.
Mood
As my party’s self-designated primary support, I do notice how the other players (and me sometimes, let’s be real) tend to try to do awesome things in combat individually rather than try to do combos or set-ups. Example: Our monk froze the mad ape (easily the biggest threat of the encounter) solid with his ice breath only for our wizard to immediately target it with a firebolt, thus thawing it and rendering g the freezing completely moot.
@@JaelinBezel I would have loved to have been there to see the Monks "glares of hate" at your Wizard!
Ms. master: aww what should we name our son?
Mr. Master: Oh! I know! *WE* *SHOULD* *NAME* *HIM* *DUNGEON*
that's the dad of the year right there
Bennett Hobbitt Maybe it’s all one word. Like Düngenmastûr or something
Intelligence 18
Dungeon Master, Son of Mr. Game Master and Ms. Lore Master (her maiden name is Keeper).
@@EVOKE7347 underrated comment right here
I need more ProJared videos in my life.
PeanutButterGamer this comment is surprisingly low in the comment section
We all do Austin.
You and me both, dude. *sigh* Guess I'll watch it all from the top again...
PeanutButterGamer same
Same here
Tiamat is a great, balanced level 1 encounter
ghey
the way she is portrait in the cartoon yes she is, in the dragon graveyard episode she is badass.
even the place sets her up as a badass.
you see dragon likes to hoard stuff. and there is plenty of powerful weapons laying around.
but if tiamat is not hoarding this stuff it means all these weapons are meaningless to tiamat. its just trash for her.
and you find out it was trash indeed as the childs try to fight her with their empowered weapons and even so they cant even scratch her scales. even with bob weapons being able to sunder the ground creating a ravine. presto and hank weapons exploding like TNT. nothign deals damage to her.
that is the moment you realise tiamat has left these weapons laying around as a testament to her power. and that she could have killed venger and the childs all along if she wanted it.
remember when she simply finds venger and with a wing move she bring her to dragon graveyard?
We died. We all died...why are you so cruel??
Tell that to the dead party members! :'(
In the same way a runaway freight train is a balanced encounter.
Only half the party is any good? YOU MEAN ITS EXACTLY LIKE DND IRL!?
perfect comment
I don't know much about dnd so I don't get this joke
Oh, you know, the classic. A wizard doesn't know spells, A rogue doesn't steal, and A paladin that RUNS AWAY.
What a party.
dt5101961Nelon I literally hid this exact set up. My party had a goblin rouge who never sneaked around, a half elf paladin who always ran away and never healed, and a gnome wizard who would never cast spells, only use his quarterstaff. I literally was the only one doing anything, AND I WAS A GOD DAMN WOOD ELF DRUID. There was also a drow sorcerer, and we basically carried the party.
@@supremeleaderseymour2658 Oh, so an average game then? Seems Legit. I was playing 3.5 as a HalfElf Ranger while we had a Dwarf Cleric who kept on abandoning the party to go drink, a Elf Wizard who had only Illusion, Transmutation and Divination Spells, a Human Fighter who was a complete coward, and a Halfling Druid who kept on talking to animals and spending her spell slots on useless shit. I was the only person who gave a shit and left the game after I identified a falling rock trap and let the party get killed by it. Thank you, Scroll containing Word of Recall.
Too bad they didn't have the iconic STICKS TO SNAKES
Or logs to lizards.
Or enlarge animal.
Or Summon Akuma
Or Bigby's Magic Hand, which was banned for use in one of my games after one of my party members used it exclusively to flip off enemies, grope another party member, bar wenches, and an orc woman he was fighting, and try to slowly drive the mayor of a town crazy by moving things in his house while he wasn't home.
Sufficed to say, that character did in fact end with the phrase "Oh, you are VERY dead."
None of them were clerics.
Here's a fun fact. One of the last publications from 3.5 was the "Animated Series Handbook," which provides stats on the kids, their weapons, and Venger. All their magical gear is pretty good. Hanks energy bow can make infinite arrows and gives off light like a torch, Sheila's cloak can cast Invisibility five times a day or Greater Invisibility twice a day, and Bobby's club gives him +4 Strength and a big ground pound attack. And they get all this right away. Dungeon Master is DEFINITELY the nicest DM ever.
Not the nicest DM ever... Sometimes he blurred the line between friend and foe.
Remember, he gives all that stuff and then "oh, here's tiamat too by the way"
And it worked out just fine. He probably just made a low-level dragon thing and called it Tiamat for intimidation factor.
I love knowing this fact and wish I could find a copy of that. D:
plus unlike a lot of DMs he actually lets the players solve problems beyond just combat, such as letting them use tiamat to fight the bad guy for them.
A fun fact, in that finale that you mentioned, it's revealed that Venger is actually Dungeon Master's son, and its because of him becoming good again that they make it back home.
On the dvd release, it has the storyboards for that episode that was never made.
Don't like it. I'm sure something better could have been written.
No that reveal came in the Dragon's Graveyard
@@starcrafter13terran sounds like it could use a few more drafts
This cartoon was BIG here in Brazil! It was called something like "Cavern of the Dragon" so even though I of course knew it and loved it, and when older got to know DnD, I never made the connection until I saw the name of the show in english. Most of us don't have idea it belongs to the DnD franchise.
Eduardo Freitas Yeah, I only recognized it when I saw "Mestre dos Magos" and thought "what? This was a D&D cartoon?"
Mesma coisa aqui, cara! Fico feliz de ver brasileiros no ProJared :D
Honestly the show might be rated higher if it wasn't related to D&D at least in name. Like the video said one of it's biggest flaws is it doesn't really represent the game much( although better then other shows and games) so if it stood on it's own more people probably would have enjoyed it.
“The whole party used teamwork!” The most unrealistic thing about this show
Yeah! Like who uses 'team work' now-a-days amirite?
Eric Niederer when I’m DMing, everyone’s an Eric
TBH I am a huge team player BUT NO ONE ELSE IS so I am super bitter that no one wants to work together for a common goal... makes me sad :(
Eric Niederer especially when that common goal is anything other than “run in and hit the monster”. That goal has ruined MANY would-be fun encounters
Eric Niederer just to clarify, I meant “everyone’s an Eric” as in the guy in the show who was pretty much useless lol
This cartoon and the Legend of Zelda cartoon have similar vibes. I still like them well enough.
Also, positivity for ProJared!
Jacen355 this cartoon has the distinct advantage of being good, though. The Zelda cartoon has the same story heats on repeat. You could argue the same thing in this show as well, as their goal is always getting home, but at least it deals with more geographically different scenarios, showing an expansive world, as opposed to Zelda being the castle, the woods, and Ganon’s fortress. This show always has some interesting inter party discussions and dynamics, and even has some intriguing moral dilemmas, while Zelda’s animated intrigues tend to revolve around “Get the Tri-Force!!! Oh no! Something bad happened! We can’t zap Ganon a third time now!”
@@nickmanzo8459 I was just comparing them based on "having hints of the source material" but still having a quite a bit of their own universe. Also the simplified daily adventures. They give lots of nostalgia for childhood things and the times where we were more easily impressed. But I definitely understand your points.
To be fair, half the party being totally worthless is pretty accurate to a lot of old D&D parties. Rolling your stats in order made for some lopsided groups of adventurers.
Mike Hoth People actually followed that rule? I figured everyone rolled a set of stats and assigned them as they felt appropriate.
Depends on the DM and what you can convince him of, Xifihas. People were coming up with point-buy systems long before WotC did it, there's all sorts of customization along the lines of "reroll 1s," "reroll lowest die once," "reroll 1s and 2s," "roll four and drop the lowest," so on, so forth, and yes, whether you assigned them in order or at your behest was a matter of how merciful your DM was too. It's not as common with recent editions gaining popularity, but yeah, it still happens.
Heck I wish more people followed that rule, it would make many characters a lot more interesting.
Nowadays gms are too nice and allow a dozen rerolls and let you put anything rolled in whatever stat, making pretty much every character made a god at their role, when a big part of d&d is supposed to be role playing around the hand you're dealt.
That's part of what makes it fun and why I don't sweat the details and even put my own limits like this on rolling something up.
It's a real wake up call to how out of hands things are getting when one of my friends rolls up something with his LOWEST stat being 10 (average human stat in second ed is 9's) and incessantly complains about rolling terribly.
+Orbus G
Of course, as a person who's been bred by modern D&D, the inflation in stats also leaves alot of room for DMs to be all the more tricksters. Whenever in doubt, remember that no matter how well-prepared your party is, the DM is largely in-control.
On a less facetious note, it really depends on the type of game you wanna play. I admire the fact that D&D is flexible enough for both to exist, but some campaigns are better than others for this. If you're running more dark-fantasy or "Reality meets fantasy" settings with the idea of lethality and "survival of the fittest" moments, then yes, I as a DM would empose the party with the AD&D "3d6. that's your lot in life" approach.
However, D&D is also for doing something more silly. Sometimes you want to just make a party set-up and go on a fantastical odyssey through strange locations and encountering all sorts of magical mishaps. If you just want an excuse to play some D&D, then using just standard array or letting people point-buy it is fine. It's good for shorter campaigns most specifically.
i had no control over how came into this world why on earth would i be satisfied with the same approach to a game i'm supposed to pour dozens if not hundreds of hours into? if i'm to make a time commitment like that i'm going to play a character that i want to play and i'm not going to let myself be handicapped by random chance, i'm fine with most rolling conventions (though i prefer point buy myself) but rolling 3d6 in order is absolute horseshit and just results in unplayable messes of characters for most at the table or being forced into a character type you have no interest in playing.
now maybe for a one-shot or something i could be convinced to roll-up a character like that when the expectation is the character ending up dead by the end of it but other than that i'm not going to resign myself to a useless character.
*ACTUALLY* - Optimus Prime wasn't around until 1985, two years AFTER this show. This is the role that landed him THAT. :o
He actually played one of my favorite characters on Voltron: Commander Hawkins. He did a great job voicing a capital ship skipper in what was the better part of Voltron to me.
Waiting for your comeback dude. We gonna support ya.
From what I've read and heard the writers of this show wanted to do a lot, but due to television guidelines at the time and interference from higher ups a lot of those plans got screwed up. They couldn't show direct physical violence or anyone getting seriously hurt (most of the time anyway) so they had to toy with indirect attacks and less violent looking energy attacks. Eric was actually supposed to be a flawed, interesting character but for some reason the higher ups wanted him constantly complaining.
The writers still got away with a lot though and there are some really neat episodes in the series.
Also I think on DVD or online somewhere, the original cast was brought back together to do a little 'audio play' of the finale episode using the script you mentioned near the end.
One interesting episode was the one where they straight out tried to murder the antagonist by setting Tiamat against him. Cartoon heroes trying to murder someone was simply not done. It really was a violent show, for the time.
@@tomaO2
Murder? Oh no, no, no! That was... uh (rolls persuasion check)... *implied* murder at best and a simple conspiracy at worst.
Actually only Katie Leigh returned as Sheila and also voiced Bobby in the audio drama.
But the Legend of Vox Machina is appropriately gorey and that’s Dungeons and Dragons.
@@JaelinBezel Thus far, the only D&D thing shown has been the dragons. For instance, if you look at the bit where VM is recounting their strangest/best kills, Vax's story about the character clearly meant to be Hotis, a Rakshasa taken out by Vox Machina in Vasselheim, was just an anthropomorphic tiger, lacking the backwards facing hands that denote a Rakshasa. The Whispered One, The Dawnfather, and the Everlight are all referred to as such rather than by Vecna, Pelor, or Sarenrae. This is, sadly, due to rights issues most likely.
Wait, did we just see Jared's feet? Did he think we wouldn't notice? I noticed. You noticed.
To the wiki! (Yes there is a wiki for that.)
And so it begins.
You know, I can **easily** see this show getting a Netflix Voltron style reboot. And I would welcome it with open arms. Maybe whoever is making it can even redact some of the characters so their classes are a bit more different, and make Venger an actually cool looking and interesting character.
Well you're getting Critical Role cartoon :/
@@Aggrofool Eh, close enough... Not the show Close Enough but you know what I mean.
I fear they would go the direction of Masters of the Universe and get too modern day social preachy with it.
omg with the reboots again
@@les907ya true but worth the risk for a reboot
Here in Brazil it was actually a big hit when it aired fully dubbed in the late 90s/starting the 2000s. Most kids that grew with it love it to this day, and still wish for a proper finale. A big part of the fanbase believes the DM is actually evil and I remember something about him being Venger's father
SuperRitz44 seriously? That’s interesting
They did a radio play of the final episode that was included in a DVD set.
Just look up "Requiem radio play"
VAI BRAZILIAAAAAM
So basically the cartoon is about the greatest LARP in history?
I read an interview once with one of the writers that said there was a an actual policy in the writing room that Eric the Cavalier always had to be wrong. In general, network executives of the time considered 'the complainer is always wrong' a very pro-social message and to keep things simple, they saddled it all on Eric. Even in situation where Eric's logic is actually correct, the universe of the show (and the cast) will prove Eric wrong for the sin of being the dissenting opinion. A similar theme can be seen in the slightly later Captain Planet where Wheeler is the designated wrong person.
holy crap, what? what interview was this?
Damn, that's dark. Dictatorship logic right there
Yes, individualism is demonized whereas collectivism is celebrated
They make it up to him at the end, his choice at the end is the reason they go home.
You have to remember that cartoons at the time basically had no room for complexity or nuance.
I wonder if the acrobat class was used because cleric/paladin/druid.monk etc was considered too risky since they are all based on/ or sound affiliated with worshipping deities and non-accepted religions?
Why didn’t they just make them a “healer” no religion needed or heck even give Hank the ranger some healer-esque powers using herbs
@@fancyb.p.6122 This cartoon came out in the time of the "satanic panic" where lots of religious people thought devil worshipers where going to kidnap their babies and sacrifice them to satan and D&D was already on the bad end of it. Any magic healing not from baby Jesus would be considered satanic, so they steered clear of it likely due to the crazy people.
@@laurab7081 yeah I have "Mazes and Monsters" on DVD with Tom Hanks from that era of board games corrupt our youth to madness and murder,
@@laurab7081 dnd 80s "there is no demon summoning going on here."
Dnd 2010s "here is a whole UA on summoning demons"
Guess they were right.
Most likely. Even today, some people believe that stuff is sacrilegious even though it's just a show
6:30 "The entire party used teamwork. I wonder what that's like?" Okay, that got a laugh out of me.
"Do not look up the Book of Erotic Fantasy"
Too late. But why are you holding the Monster Girl Encyclopedia?
Dont ask questions.
I won't.
Unfortunately, I've seen the wikipedia long before this comment was made.
It's about moreorless the same as comparing it to the Book of Errotic Fantasy.
Basically, D&D, but with monster girls, like Monster Musume.
@@xtalongraspx9004 Except it's like Soviet Russia: Instead of conquering monsters, the monsters conquer you.
Did it anyways and my oh my, I know what I may use for my 21+ D&D group.
wait until you find F.A.T.A.L.
"DID I JUST SEE A BOOB?" Projared, 2017
THAT WAS SOME STRAIGHT UP TITTY NIPPLE!
lol
A withered, wrinkly, thoroughly unattractive boob. So I guess it doesn't count? The panty flash definitely counts though.
The Book of Erotic Fantasy
Yup THAT source book
Hey Jared! Fun fact about the cartoon: in Brazil it is an absolute classic. It had reruns all through the 90's and is one of the most recognizable and influential cartoons of the time here. A real cult classic which inspired a lot of people to delve further into fantasy and D&D, including myself :)
OMFG , YOU ARE ALIVE MY LOVELY ROGUE
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
and when the cartoon was showed D&D wasn't even published in brazil so most of the people watched it without context, and the dubbing also didn't help
It was a great cartoon here, too.
I didn't know there was a dnd cartoon
A group of kids gets transported to a fantasy world which is based off of D&D...
...omg this is an isekai before that subgenre became the norm today lol
Digimon best isekai
@@TobyKeithPS2 Nah, Captain N is the best isekai
And just like an isekai. They never really establish why they'd actually want to go home
@@meapickle In most modern isekai, they don’t want to.
@AdamYJ not in the few I've seen or read. Granted to say the genre is oversaturated, is the mother of all under statements, so I've definitely scratched the surface
Cartoons of this era were severely restricted as to how physical a confrontation could get. Throwing a punch was out of the question. What was allowed amounted to body throws, 'lasers' and indirect environmental attacks. You see it here, on He-Man & She-Ra etc, even 80s TMNT.
BTG514 I'm glad JohnK revived the more "animated" cartoons in the 90's with Ren & Stimpy tbh. Always found most of these to be uncanny
And yet an old lady boob, Diana butt abuse, and panty shots, some how made it in
Wasn't a punch or stab.
BTG514. Ah. The forgetful sometimes shamefully so restriction of that time.
@@blipboigilgamesh7865that’s the only thing i still am glad john k did
This Cartoon is really popular in Brazil!
It's called "Dragon's Cave"
I loved it as a kid
Yeah no kidding. They keep airing it on tv. To bad it only got 27 episodes.
lucca Ikr!? There are some guys on TH-cam who even made a "fan-ilustrated" comic strip making speculations on the ending, with plot twists and all!
Never underestimate the Staff of Changing Size.
Can’t forget the Club of Knocking Shit Over
Aka the power pole
Diana makes my staff change size
*POWER POLE EXTEND*
Or a dull sword that fires lasers!
HOLY SHIT, IT'S DRAGON'S CAVERN. THIS IS PRETTY BIG ON BRAZIL.
Melhor de tudo que a gente não fazia ideia que era baseado em Dungeons'n Dragons.
Cara, entre colocar Calabouços e Dragões (D&D) e Caverna do Dragão (Dragon's Pit ou Dragon's Cavern), Caverna do Dragão fica bem melhor de se ouvir
lol pode crê, assisti o desenho a infância inteira e nunca soube
And that's why I was expecting to see Venger in the Avengers.
Serio, ele foi a primeira coisa que me veio a cabeça na primeira vez que eu ouvi sobre "Os Vingadores".
Zam Caverna do Dragão... Yeah, soa melhor do que "masmorras e dragões". Mestre dos Magos foi uma boa adaptação de nome também, na minha opinião: v
I don't know if that's a thing in the US, but here in Brazil there's this popular urban legend of how the finale would've been:
Supposedly, they all died in the rollercoaster. This "magical world" is actually purgatory/limbo(or straight up hell, I can't recall), and Venger and the Dungeon Master are actually the same person: the literal devil, who's just fucking with them.
Also, a brazilian cartoonist made a comic book of the finale, based on the actual script of the final episode. It's called Requiem, but I've never read it though.
You only forgot the part where they say that Tiamat was actually an angel.(Or atleast that's what my friend, who told me about this theory, said... not putting my hand on the fire over a info that has like... 8 or 9 years... i think...)
Exactly
Olha os BR invadindo huehue
But in the end the creators of the series denied the "everyone died in the roller coaster" theory, either way, it was fun to imagine what would it be like if this was the true ending
If they ever made a live action movie out of this, Dungeon Master could 100% be played by Wallace Shawn
0/10
No Sticks to Snakes
kot4311 agreed
Well yeah, they lacked a Cleric or a Druid. No one wants to Role Support, even in a cartoon.
kot4311 hmm... sometime you can trust the comments section, thanks!😅
yeah that's why I roll Paladins, I can heal people AND hit things with a sword
FUN FACT: There is NO Sticks to Snakes spell in 5th edition.
BUT WHYYYYY TTTHHHHOOOOUUUUGGGGHHHH
Fun fact: In Brazil, this cartoon's name is "Caverna do Dragão", which would be translated to Dragon's Cavern. Not having this reference, the public in Brazil enjoyed a lot more the cartoon, without the need to compare it to the source material, turning into a classic in the country.
Olemgar what happened here in Brazil was that the cartoons were repeated many times in the open channels, and the closed TV, which contained new cartoons was extremely expensive until near 2005 where it had a huge drop in the price of the monthly (and here in Brazil the open TV is only 5 common channels and 2 educational channels), and the channels opened when they got some cartoon exhibited it all for months, and they often repeated the same cartoons for already being in popular taste, D & D was one of those cases, and some others like Super Friends, Woody Woodpecker, Tom and Jerry, the Mickey and Donald short films ... of being relayed fell in the taste of the people...
A braziliam too :3
Eric actually had one of the best episodes. Where Dungeon Master gives him his powers and he becomes pretty proficient with them.
"You all meet in a tavern. Also the Tarrasque is there, and he's fucking pissed."
Wait. Pissed as in angry or as in drunk?
@9Godslayer ...Both.
William Bowles Good to know. Ambiguity like that can make it difficult for some campaigns.
Ngl, this is how I plan to start a game
9:46
Jared says, not realizing I've already typed it into Google, hah
So... what is it?
Kyle Hart it was a 3rd edition supplement that added rules for sex n stuff.
a supplement trying to make DnD FATAL, dont look that up either.
Tancread of Galilee trust us, it is just more Tome of Madness then actual Source book.
You googled it just now, I learned of it from a bard.
Paul Dini and Michael Reaves wrote a few episodes of this show and went on to work for more acclaimed shows like Batman and Gargoyles. Miss Martian on Young Justice pays homage to Sheila by flipping her hood up when she disappears.
This cartoon is a National Treasure here in Brazil, even if it was not made by us!
HUEHUE
I love how you can watch a projared from like 6 years ago and still only find minor differences in quality to the videos now in 2017
Your videos are way better.
Robert Panther Thanks Robert
“Maybe the rocks in your head need company, Eric!”
S A V A G E
Funny story about Eric: Mark Evanier, one of the showwriters, made a blog post discussing why Eric was included in the show. In it, he said that "Parent Groups" insisted on the insertion of pro-social morals into the shows, and according to those groups, the correct moral was "The group is always right, the complainer is always wrong."
Just who were these parent groups?
Huh.
HASEnoncorperated
That's the thing, the parent groups themselves never existed and corporate rumormongers just use this nebulous "well they've done studies" excuse to force cartoon writers into making the shows have a certain morality (which also just so happened to increase the likelihood of certain toys selling better). The most famous example is when Ghostbusters suddenly became SLIMER AND the Ghostbusters, a thing which neither the audience or the writers wanted but got pushed through because censorship.. check out Phelan Porteus' multi-part documentary on it to see the conspiracy fully realized.
Eric is my favourite character, lol.
Didn't they also make it so he was actually proven right a good chunk of the time? Similar stuff happened in Captain Planet with Wheeler, ESPECIALLY during the two 'overpopulation' episodes.
Sheila was one of my earliest crushes. Pretty sure she's the influence behind why I often go Rogue.
That cartoon was huge in Brazil, 99 percent of the fans didn't know what D&D was but it was still amazing
There's a D&D 3.5 source book based on this cartoon. The party, their weapons, Venger and his Shadow Demon are all statted.
RedemptionWarrior that’s cool
And fighting Tiamat at level 1
Wow nice
I have that. It was a bonus feature of the box set for the DVD if the cartoon.
@@devilbuster20xx37 well, Tiamat's statblock could be handy... where can I get that splat?
When I was a kid, I thought this art style was complete low budget shit. Now I would kill to see this kind of style on Cartoon Network or Nickelodeon.
@Xavian Stormfang
Well, fret not, for Vox Machina has you covered.
OVER 9 MILLION BABY! Stretchgoals got NUKED.
My marathon of rewatching, liking, and commenting on every Jared video continues. Video 46
So Venger (main villain) < Tiamat (random monster) < a large wooden door...
Got it.
Weeeeell... Tiamat is actually the goddess of all evil dragons. And the wind fiend from Final Fantasy xD. But yeah, you sum it up preeeetty well...
@@LuizroXD_HP Well doors block wind, and are not swayed by evil, so no wonder the door was so effective.
I absolutely lost it at 9:20
Great job, Jared.
Acrobat was a subclass in AD&D. It was supplemental material found in Dragon magazine, but it was an actual class. I know this is supposed to be humorous, and I enjoyed watching for your jokes, but the context of the 80's should be taken into account here. The show had to adhere to pretty strict standards. That's why so many cartoons had lasers. They weren't real guns. Just look at the GI Joe cartoon. No one ever gets shot. Of course this show couldn't actually have anyone stabbed or slashed, so the laser effect was the best they could do to show "combat". Compared to a lot of children's TV, this show is exceptional. There is no ham-fisted attempt to address age, gender, or racial differences, it just shows the various characters having their own agency regardless. I'd say that alone puts it ahead of just about any kids' show from then or now. The characters are often tested on an ethical level and they show good decision making and courage. It's a great show. But yeah, it's also easy to poke fun because it's way off the mark for a serious D&D player. And come on, it was the 80's. That alone means it will probably be pretty silly.
Just by looking at certain shots I can tell this was animated by a Japanese studio, the panty shot pretty much confirms it
Animated by Toei apparently, so it seems you are right.
Some character's faces were enough to say "hey, this looks a lot like anime"
Yep, the Cartoon was a collab between Marvel comics (handled the writing) and Toei (Animation along with TMS)
Ecchi
Arcademan09 Diana's fear was being too old so take that however you will
But I still don't think she'd be 18
Anyone think of dragons in places season finale upon hearing Jared say he would trick the party into undoing protections against evil dragons?
Exactly!
Thanks for the spoilers I'm still listening to it. >.>
its still good even with that knowledge, i think you will still enjoy the events. now i am getting out of here, i still got to watch the final video XD
Yep!
You thought I was Merlin, but it was I!
VENGER
Dungeons & Dragons movie next December? HATATATATA
*heaving sounds intensify*
Lolllllllz
And then there's the episode with the JU-87 divebomber and the nazi.
I'm not kidding.
I wonder what the statblock for that was.
I want a netflix remake of this based on 5th edition, they can make Diana a monk
Well... you're getting a Critical Role cartoon, that's gotta do i guess
At least hank was smart enough not to pick beast master (original).
A modern dnd cartoon could be so tight, like the new castlevania
So it has to be made in japan? I wish they could make like DC DVD animated movie with uniqe concept like this. Could be really cool and if a movie get´s really popular they should try a show aimed for teens and up.
I'd rather see one of Planescape. There's alot more creativity and mature themes to the setting. Just more potential than another knights and dragons series
Too be fair that is exactly how Lolth looked back in 1980.
5:11 - I always associated the sound effect with Megatron's arm cannon.
Or Prime's Ion Cannon.
Pretty sure it's the exact same sound.
I just associate it with Transformers as a whole
Optimus Prime Wizard's "fat guy" lasers are using the same sound effect as Prime's Blaster in G1.
Glad someone else noticed that! It just makes the fact his voice actor is the same even more hilarious!
It was actually the sound for Megatron's gun. Optimus Prime's gun makes more of a sha-sha-shoomb sound.
Knowing the transformers cartoon they're probably originally from Star Wars too.
Knowing Star Wars, nothing from Star Wars is originally from Star Wars.
In all seriousness, Autobot guns make a "choowoo" sound, Decepticon guns make a "teeteeteeteeroo" sound, Rebel blasters make a "choom" sound and Empire blasters make a "pyaroong" sound.
+TigerNightmare It wasn't just blaster sounds. Just go to almost any TFWiki article on a G1 episode and it'll have a list of lightsabre hums, door clashes and alderaans being blown up being used as the SFX for something completely different.
I don't actually remember the stormtrooper blaster ever being used but apparently it showed up in at least the episode Blaster Blues as a Seeker strafing run sound.
Oh my God. My dad ADORES this show. Says it was his favorite cartoon as a kid. I have to watch this!
Galva Tron try being in this comment section and having been born in 1981. Talk about feeling old LOL
Galva Tron If he was 10 years old when It originally aired he would be around 40 years old today, so not really that young.
Huh... it turns out that Wizards of the Coast actually made an "Animated Series Handbook" for D&D 3.5, with stats for the heroes, their items, and Venger.
Was 3.5 the then current edition for this series?
It would explain why they thought Tiamat could be an encounter against a LVL 1 party 😅
"I want to live here", I died lol
R.I.P.
Here in Brazil we still have reruns of Dungeons and Dragons (known as "caverna do dragão", a mostly literal translation) it was shown almost every week from 1986 up to 2014 on one of the biggest television networks. Up until I was like 16 years old, I had no idea that this cartoon was about the tabletop game because of the translated name being different from the boxes. I always liked it because, at the time, it was one of the most different shows in television and, even if it was silly most of the time, had a continous plot where characters do somewhat grow specially in their abilities and the way they use their weapons up to the final episodes.
Brazil was a super weird market for television in the 80s and 90s, we got shows a few years delayed because of production and dubbing that always went at a snail pace.
It is super beloved here and I'm bummed out that you didn't seem to like it very much. =(
So in a few decades you'll start getting shows currently on?
Luis Paulo da Silva luckyyyy
@@adriannaranjo4397 nop, dumb. he said back then in 80's or 90's. Now everything gets here in a minute because Brazil consumes a lot of pop culture stuff and hypes it really fast, the bad is that some of these things are shit, like the Twilight saga.
Kind of the same to us. I'm your neighbour, man, from Argentina.
I recently found out the sculptures they are releasing THIS YEAR OF 2019, for many characters. Venger's prototype is already made. You can already pre order, but they are insanely expensive.
Yeah.. I'm from the US, and I remember a few of these episodes as they aired. I was not into D&D.. but did enjoy the show for what it was. A Saturday Morning cartoon.. haha.. an of course.. Optimus Prime voice..lol
Worst DM carrying the party ever. They get spanked by bullywugs but fight Venger and Tiamat to a draw constantly.
Fun Fact: This show was animated by Toei Animation, the studio that brings to life Dragon Ball, and One Piece.
explains the pantie shot
I knew it. It totally looked very animeish.
Right? I was watching it, and I was like, "Nani!? My anime senses are tingling...!" ... or something similarly weeb-y.
They also took part in animating The Transformers
At least it's not as bad as the D&D movies. Oh great I just gave Projared ideas.
If he keeps getting suggestions, the "Best/Worst Games of 2017" videos won't get made. That would be a tremendous disappointment. No, really.
No it's just that my comparison between the cartoon and the movies just aren't good as he *might* and I repeat might have do a video on it next December.
I am still waiting for the obligatory yearly list-videos, though. This video is not either of them and that bothers me for some unknown reason.
hey that ain't fair, the second one is actually fairly decent at capturing the feeling of a lot of the game, and the third one's biggest sin is the protag is a shitty paladin and it expects you to know a lot of Grayhawk and general D&D stuff.
max larsen sorry but I found the dragonlance straight to DVD movie to be better than three live action movies combined.
Even though there was no final episode, I'm guessing it was all a very real illusion of the ride that made them feel like they were in DnD and not even an hour passed since they were on the ride. As they walk off (either to home or to another ride in the park), we see Dungeon Master hidden among the crowd and he gives us the "SSHHH" gesture, indicating it was all his doing and that he'll continue to do so for future "adventurers."
"They're still trying to figure out how THAC0 works" HAHAHAHA
FaithlessIsHe when does he say that?
And what is THACO? I don't play D&D.
THACO stand for To Hit Armor Class 0.
It was a value of reference to know how much you needed to score to hit your target with your super weapon of doom that just happened to be a cursed berserk sword : D.
So if your THACO was 15 you needed to roll 16(bonus from all sources included) to hit an armor class of -1(yeah it is counter intuitive I know) etc... to a maximum of 20 for -5 AC in this instance. And if you were to try to hit higher then that you would need to roll a natural 20 on your d20 dice.
This is the way armor class was treated in basic, expert, advanced and second edition of the game.
Juan D'Marco they redid the armor system in 3e after Wizard of the Cost bought it. Now more armor class is good instead of less. Not sure what else change.
Dancorps13 Aryador thanks for explaining
That feeling when you realize that this cartoon was more true to Dungeons and Dragons than the movie. o___O
5:54
Episode highlight
I definitely lol'd.
This show should definitely get rebooted.
not gonna happen
Why would you want more of an action show where they can never, y'know, physically attack each other? Just watch the (new) Voltron.
Why would you ever think the reboot would have the same puritanical mentality of the 80s/90s? If it were to ever be rebooted it would probably age them up, change their classes (ae acrobat to monk, ranger to arcane archer, cavalier to fighter or cleric), and take away the swords magical abilities to shoot laser beams and let them actually cut things. but in the case of a reboot of the cartoon happening, I doubt it would actually happen despite DnD's return to the public eye in newer media
facts b
Tchitchouan Inouane
Why not? Everything else gets rebooted too.
*(eats pizza)*
*(drinks big sipps)*
*(unzips)*
ah yes, time to watch a new projared video
*(zips back)*
you know it
Perhaps you might regret unzipping to this particular episode.
I laughed so hard at the "fat guy getting stuck in a tube" sound effect!
On Brazil I think they changed her class from Acrobat to Amazon if I' m not mistaken, which would actually make more sense, since she act as a warrior with Bojutsu(stick)
Well, the official (yes there was one) statting of her in 3.5 did put her class as a Monk. Though somehow she still had inferior physical stats to Bobby. Yea, an 8 year old kid has better physicals than a BONA FIDE OLYMPIC ATHLETE.
Jared, this review was... Really good! I don't know what it was but the whole time, your jokes hit me hard and a couple of times I had to pause the video because I was laughing too hard (Still learning how THAC0 works being a primes example). Maybe it was just all the D&D jokes, and my ability to really get most of them, but I truly feel like the acting, writing, and timing was done so well! Keep up the good work, my dude. :D
My personal favorite of the video was when they were fighting snails, and losing, I was really expecting ProJared to say "Allright, that's... that's pretty funny", and instead he went for "relatable". XD
"do not look this up!"
immediately heads to google
omg what why does this exist? xD
Gwendolyn needs some help
It's interesting to finally see the original version of this show. Hell I didn't even know this was related to DnD until a short while ago, because where I live, the title was translated to something akin to "Dragon's Cavern" and Dungeon Master was called "Master of Wizards" or somesuch.
Caverna do Dragão e mestre dos magos, heh? Wow, spawnou BR aqui com esse vídeo XD
No caso, eu nem lembrava direito do desenho :P
Por que eu fiquei sabendo de D&D original muito tempo depois, e mesmo sabendo que não tinha nada haver, nunca pensei muito no assunto XD
Eu achei os nomes uma boa adaptação though. O pessoal daqui nem conhecia D&D mesmo 'u'
It's magic. I ain't gotta explain shit.
False allegations: SHWOOOMP
Jared: 30 AC
30 Air Conditioners
My boy Jared deserves some inspiration for that comeback
this cartoon needs a reboot, hopefully more polished than its predecessor
Yes, do look up the book of Erotic Fantasy. If you ever wanted to see the price on a magical prince albert, a giant chart of what races can bread with each other, and how to treat mummy rot as an STD. Comedy gold.
Sean Becker yes
I need this in my life
.........wat
aw nice I can finally give my D&D character an STD
I love that according to TH-cam the most watched rewind parts of the videos are exactly what you are thinking
Next you will be telling me theres a mortal combat cartoon
Ewelina Kunysz I wonder...
Ewelina Kunysz no thats as stupid as Final Fantasy movie about ghosts
v1233 tv or a movie about the making of the room
Pff that's about as stupid as a movie about emojis
I mean they could of made a Live action D&D movie.
I liked this show as a kid and as an adult I still think it's good. I was never into playing D&D games so I can enjoy the cartoon for what it was.
Anyone else want this show to come back in some capacity? It could be like the Voltron Netflix show, where it basically tells an updated version of the original show but does a few things better, like putting in actual D&D abilities and locations in. And Diana could be a bard instead of a made up class, that way she would be more useful and you could still be scantily clad, because you know that's the only reason she's designed the way she is. Presto could be a competent wizard, but still have some kind of emotional issue that keeps him from just nuking everything. Erik could be kinda like Jaune from RWBY, he sucks at the start but gradually gets better as the show continues (He also has a sword to go with the shield) And sheila actually does thief shit like stealing and lock picking, but she justifies it by saying she's stealing from assholes. But then there's an episode where she has to steal from an innocent dude and she's not sure she can go through with it.
Just some ideas.
The acrobat is from Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 1ed Unearthed Arcana. Obscure, but a real class.
7:06 i didn't notice.... Oh, animators, these perverts XD
Drago 303 yeah thats true
Jared Noticed.
In Brazil it's called "caverna do dragão". That translates to "Dragon's cave". I always loved the Cartoon, I had no idea it was D&D related.
This cartoon was huge here in Brazil in the 80's and 90's and still to this day people that grew up at that time still have fond memories of the cartoon. I grew up watching re-runs every morning on tv back then so I gotta admit I look at it with rose-tinted spectacles.
I remember watching this as a kid on reruns too,it was a weird show for me even then.
Fun Fact,in Brazil they translated the show name as "Cavern of the Dragon" for some odd reason.
Also the DM was called Master of the Mages,again,for some odd reason.
E rolava o rumor de que a história toda se passava no inferno
Acho que a tradução certa seria "Dragon's Cave".
Well there isn't much of a direct translation, "Masmorras e Dragões" and "Mestre da Masmorra" sounds a bit weird.
Naraki Vlogs in french it was called "The dragon's wicked smile" or something along those lines
Dunguns an Dargons: th cartuun
It was good for it's time.
This cartoon was really popular in Brazil when I was a child, way before me and my friends knew about the Dungeons and Dragons game. We watched it without knowing it was based on someting, thinking it was its own thing. And we loved it! It is actually a huge nostalgic classic for many people in Brazil. Years later, when we were already playing a lot of D&D, someone figured out it is based on the game and that just exploded our minds. The name of the cartoon is tranlated to Portuguese, so it wasn't so simple to piece the two together.
I can just realize the slow realization. "Hey, there's a Tiamat in this game... Cool reference."
"Wait, there's Kobolds too?"
"I guess they're all mythological references right?"
"Can't be this game, there's no acrobat class."
"what do you mean there **was** an acrobat class? When?"
I looked up the Book of Erotic Fantasy. Sorry Jared.
Napalm Blaziken still not as bad as FATAL.
But actually don't Google this one.
It made an interesting point when it said that Charisma is typically incorrectly used solely as a measure of how good someone looks rather than their force of personality, but that's about all I got out of the book. Some of the spells were funny, though.
I put on my Robe and Wizard Hat....
TiroDvD Don't you reference him.
Rainer Mist I looked it up. I'm sorry.
Funny thing. The Dungeons and Dragons Animated Series Handbook put all the kids at level 7 in their respective class but then again that was by D&D 3.5 rules. It also changes the classes Eric and Diana have. Eric is a fighter (not a Cavalier) and Diana is a Monk (not an Acrobat).
I should mention that the Record of Lodoss War anime (which was based on an actual D&D campaign) had even _less_ in terms of monsters and magic then this cartoon.
Monk pretty much had all relevant Acrobat features rolled into it as a base class since it was determined everyone hated the Acrobat, but Gygax wanted it to live on. Kinda made a bit of a resurgence as a subset of Rogue again in 4E, but too many people took offense to that edition as a whole, so I think it's doubly dead now. Not the biggest loss, since that's more fun for the Monk to have.
@@Shalakor What's wrong with 4e?
Also, too bad Sun Soul Monk wasn't a thing when the cartoon was being made. It would make Sheila a little bit more useful in combat since she can just shoot energy out of her hands.
@@harlannguyen4048 What's wrong with 4E? Honestly, nothing really. Mechanically, it's easily the most balanced and well tuned edition of D&D, maybe even of Tabletop RPGs in general. But, maybe that's kinda the problem itself, a lot of people don't appreciate or want balance.
Making all attacking actions rolls and all defensive properties DCs to overcome means no more rolling for saving throws, so there's a greater perception of waiting your turn in combat, for instance. And the game was designed with tactical play in mind, making playing on gridpaper or tiles move intuitive, so movement is described in "squares" of five feet, thus characters having 6 squares of movement instead of 30 feet of movement. Technically that's math most players would parse the game out into anyway, but long times fans did not like it being spelled out, just like they didn't like the roles Classes and different builds of classes could fulfill, like focus on damage dealing, tanking hits, controlling the battlefield, or healing being directly called out in the rules, even though players often self organized classes into such groupings naturally anyways. The final major example would be the uniform nature of separating actions in to At-Will, Encounter, and Daily with mostly consistent availability and relative power of these functions across all classes making the classes feel too gamey, or samey, or as if the nature of this system cuts away the flavor of each class or the like.
My own opinion, 4E was/is great. There's plenty of great concepts it introduced that have some carryover to 5E in forms that are less divisive/noticeable to the pickier players, or that are sorely missed being excluded now but are easy to reimplement as a DM, such as skill challenges or minions or bloodied status based abilities. Others aren't realistically possible without just going back to play 4E though, like that neat mechanic were Reflex was based on Dex or Int, Fortitude was Con or Strength, and Will on Wis or Cha, since 5E has the save for every ability score.
P.S. Bonus issue people had that is much more objectively justifiable: The way what had since become in previous editions the core classes and races were trickled out over multiple books. While the increased development time of the more complex and fine-tuned features is understandable, the increased cost and wait associated with not getting to play Gnome or Half-Orc or Barbarian or Bard OR Sorcerer until PH2 was released, and Monk not even until as long as it took for PH3 to come out, was a huge hit to player satisfaction. Maybe it was a calculated risk, but it didn't pay off and the extra revenue from additional core rule books wasn't enough to make up for lower sells, so the bloated expense of development caught up with them.
I like fantasy sort of cartoons and must admit, the main draw for me was the opening and I found it pretty cool. Wanted to see how they'd possibly get home. Sad to see the show got cancelled before they could create the end of the story. =(
They made a radio drama of the final episode's script. It offers a good ending to the whole thing.
and there's a comic book adaptation as well
theres now a fan-made episode of Requiem based on the finale script.
To be fair, this is how most campaigns go