@@alexo2303 It can make machines and organics question there purpose to the point of doing what it says and even corrupt the the most diehard beliefs. Its not mind control its literally getting you to think in away with just it WORDS.
@@alexo2303 The fact that flood has a mind and is doing thing strategecially rather than being dumb small parasites is scary. End goal of all civilisation is to reproduce and eat, so considering how fast flood reproduces and eats, they'd cover the entire galaxy in some decades. Now, if they were brainless creatures, we'd have done with destroying 1-2 planets that have them and tada, no more flood. But that thing being smart concludes that its not easy to simply destroy the flood. Thats the main reason the forerunners had to make the halo rings.
@@killerracoon8471 As far as I know, all Graveminds share the same knowledge, so even wiping out almost all flood isnt enough because it only takes one flood spore to eventually form a new Gravemind.
You can see the grave mind holds the chief with just one tendril and holds the arbiter with 3. The arbiter is struggling and is combative while master chief is cool and calm.
I think they did it on purpose to make the arbiter as a symbol of religion just as Christianity has Jesus on a cross as their symbol, because you notice how the gravemind says "this one is but flesh and faith and is the more deluded"
Chief knows he is dead if the gravemind wants him dead and escape is also impossible unless the gravemind helps. Big eldritch horror holding you and is dozens of times your mass I'd just sit there and listen too.
The monitor has been running simulations for thousands of years. The firing of the Halo array is so important that they are anticipating even one in a trillion circumstances.
he's saying that the halo array has a record of 1.2 trillion practice, simulated firings. And the "one actual" is the one time it was actually physically used to wipe out all life in the galaxy
Trillions of simulations and it did its job for identifying major vulnerabilities of halo. But the endless was outside the scope or known from forerunners forcing their capture.
I really like the fact, that the Gravemind talks in rhyme, just because it thinks much faster than it talks, so It just can't help but overdue such tedious act as vocal communication. It's beyond need to tell someone anything. It knows all the Flood, and all Flood knows what he knows. That's why the Flood is so terrifying, yet so awesome
@@Raghetiel in that case your english is very good. I really only wrote that because I thought the excessive use of commas was funny, it doesn’t hinder the understanding at all.
@@chadthunderkawk1650 I dont believe forerunners were ever supposed to be human ancestors. Originally they were just the keepers of the universe before us. Honestly, the new canon additions make the line even more impactful. The forerunners destroyed the primordials for saying humans should hold the mantle, fearing they would be destroyed. The remnants of the primordials mutated into the flood to save themselves. The floods hunger, its sole purpose is to destroy all sentient life and wipe out the mantle which caused its children to destroy them once and for all. And the forerunners, more specifically the librarian, left the mantle to the humans, passing that sin onto them. The flood, the gravemind, are a monument to all that has happened in the universe and the evil the forerunners brought on all life.
My understanding is that the lore was changed so that keymind means literally any flood form capable of sentience and organizing other flood forms. Meaning that even the proto-gravemind from Halo CE was a keymind. I'm no lore expert though, lol. But yes, planet sized flood forms are terrifying.
@@LonewolfProd_ I think that's pretty spot on. Abominations, proto graveminds, actual graveminds. All are under the category. Then again the lore has changed a bit so can never be too sure
I would imagine that a Keymind is just a step away from being a reincarnated precursor. Perhaps it was the ultimate plan of the precursors to one day reform as keyminds. Recent Lore even suggests that the Precursors memories could still be present within the genes of the flood.
For anyone wondering what the gravemind meant by “I am a monument to all your sin” he wasn’t talking about specifically chiefs sins, he was referring to the sins of the forerunners, the flood was originally a species called the precursors, they created all life in the universe and originally gave the mantle of responsibility to the forerunners, however the forerunners have proven to be unworthy of it and the precursors intended on giving it to the ancient humans instead, the forerunners couldn’t accept this and went to war with the precursors and nearly wiped them all out, the surviving precursors broke themselves down and turned themselves into a fine dust in order to hide from the forerunners, this dust however got corrupted over time and eventually became the flood, the flood had the same goal as the precursors but they believed that they were worthy of the mantle and believed that true unity could be achieved if they turned everything into flood, in short the flood was created because of the sins of the forerunners.
The Flood makes space zombies sound like a bunch of little bitches. The Flood were originally more or less just a sort of powder that the Precursors turned themselves into.
So honey, this is gravemind, we served in that thing were stopped the galaxy from ending, he's a great thing, but don't get him going on existentialism.
@@toohdamaybe because hes so powerful and a reclaimer, so he fears the chief as he is essentially his worst enemy as he can fire the ring like the forerunners did
@@JesseBullard-m6ihe also strokes chiefs helmet almost in an admiring way. I read that as it being impressed with chief and his mind/will. I think the shuttering is just part of the way it talks, I don't think it means fear or anything. It's just one of its mannerisms.
@@slayking2378 He would have been deemed heretic anyway, as most of his succesful predecessors. The destruction of the first Halo just made it easier for the prophets to trick him into becoming the Arbiter.
@@slayking2378then in the next Game Chief and Arbiter have been an effective duo stopping Truth and destroying the Flood forgetting the 2s animosity towards each other
It is hilarious that he's face to face with like 1000 tons of hideous disfigured meat and bone in the shape of a bloody worm mouth and yet its master chief that gets called a demon
2:24 the Prophet of Regret’s yell here is terrifying. He is already part of the Gravemind but has his individuality mostly intact. What a horrific existence. What could the Gravemind be doing to him that would make him yell like even though he is already in extreme agony.
I think here that the Gravemind is literally just letting regret be himself to prove his point about halos true purpose. I’m pretty sure after this scene that regret was fully integrated into the flood.
Or a potentially even worse idea: the prophet was never there to begin with. Everything you saw was just his body and brain being piloted to behave like him. Once the prophets part was done the gravemind kinda just went "OK, torture and memory extraction can continue."
@@novavortex7763 fun fact: the reason Cortana disappeared before halo infinite was because she still had the logic plague. Something convinced her to leave John.
Unfortunately, the writing in Halo 3 is pretty fucking bad in comparison, but that’s because they lost Staten as a result. And Marty pretty much took over.
@@mkultra2456 long story short, after Halo 2’s infamous crunch and messy development cycle, it really demotivated Bungie as a result. Staten took a vacation and basically left the studio with no story direction, and Jason Jones (I believe) took a hiatus as well. Marty was basically left in charge of putting together a story, which is already questionable since while he always did have input on H:CE and H2, it wouldn’t be the main idea taken into account as he’s the audio director. I can only really thank Marty for keeping legacy characters in the story (Miranda, Johnson, Arbiter etc.) as they planned to scrap all of them in favor of something different. Either way, Halo 3’s story took a major nosedive in writing since Joe Staten wasn’t with them for majority of H3. I’ll link a video to it when I find it for you.
@@ThePilleroflightningmarty’s wrotimg decisions were really questionable. The way miranda died and johnson’s death being there mainly for the shock and drama. The fact that the story doesn’t even start until after tsavo highway too
I still can't get over the fact that the Gravemind is voiced by the same man who voiced Appa, a giant, fluffy, six legged flying bison cuddly bear, and Momo, a goofy winged lemur, in Avatar the last airbender, and the Clones in star wars the clone wars. That's some serious "Same voice actor" level stuff right there.
That cutscene was the most interesting thing I watched in my entire time playing Halo especially what the gravemind said "I am the monument to your sins", "I have listened through rock and metal and time now you will listen and I will talk", "This ones containment (growls) and this ones Great Journey are the same", "There is time to stop the key from turning, you will search a likely place and you will search another", idk how I remembered the last one XD but nearly all those lines stuck out to me, its such a fantastic cutscene
Well just remember that he is quite literally the descendant of the Precursors. the Precursors created the Forunners and Humans and where then destroyed by the didact. the only reason the didact was successful is because they allowed him. The Precursors turned to dust, which in turn became the flood. The flood are the reckoning of the sins of the forunner.
@@lohengrin5082 The flood were created because humans were curious as to what that dust was and fed it to their alien dogs thats the only thing you missed but I didn't know the didact destroyed the flood, I knew that somebody had to have destroyed the flood then, then you have low iq forerunners who decided "Why not imprison the flood on a giant ring? We could run tests to discover a cure for the flood." (Room agrees), *sometime later* (Forerunners activate the rings causing their own demise) (flood stuck on the ring for 10,000 years) "F***!"
@@jacen1178 I haven't read any of the novels in the last decade so all of my current knowledge stems from youtubers. Anyway, ''Installation 00'' had a video where he claimed that the precursors had planned on giving the mantle to humanity, As you can imagine, this enraged the Didact who set out to destroy them. Though the precursors were in essence demi-gods, they had a unique belief that the Universe was a living organism and that Pain and suffering where as important to the identity of the universe as was peace. Therefor the Precursors allowed themselves to be defeated, because this was essentially ''good'' for the universe. It was upon defeat that they broke themselves down into dust which wood later turn into the flood.
My theory is that the Precursors knew that the Forunners could not defeat the Flood. But Humanity could. When the didact defeated Humanity he wiped them out rather than accept their defeat. Without humanity, the forunners failed to contain the flood. The flood have suppressed the forunners, the question now is whether or not humanity can defeat the parasite, like a test to see if they be worthy of the mantle. Therefor the Floods true purpose could be to ensure that Humanity one day inherits the mantle. I really hope we see the gravemind again!
I love the detail that the Gravemind rubs the Chief’s visor when he mentions that his mind is concluded, in a sense caressing his “face”. But then it flips the Arbiter upside-down when mentioning his faith, quite literally turning his world on its head and breaking the news to Thel that he is delusional.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can read so deeply into a scene like this. To me, it merely looked as though it were studying its new pawn (somewhat disdainfully).
@@TheShockwaveDragon and that's what English class and film studies were all about.. I never paid attention but the symbolism by talented writers is always there
I find it interesting Keith David played the Arbiter in Halo fighting against the flood. While he also played Childs in "The Thing", a movie about a parasitic alien that takes over bodies much like the flood. Clearly Keith cant escape parasites that well.
The way the Gravemind shutters when he says "containment" is such a nice little detail. Even back then, Bungie established the Flood's hatred for the Forerunners
@turututu2113 Idk, I prefer the different species angle myself amd in fact, is what I always thought when I was a kid too. Even when Spark said "you are Forerunner", I always figured he meant "in a way" because of the "Inheritors of all the left behind" line before.
@@newtybot My assumption is it was using them as examples of the different views of the halo, or just the game developers reminding the player that the flood is a nasty piece of work.
I still can't believe fans cried about Halo 2 being more story focused and the addition of the Arbiter, so they had to dumb Halo 3 down. I can only imagine what Halo 3 could have been if they kept this energy.
I can't remember for sure, but I remember being a little agitated that they personified chief too much. I definitely preferred the mysterious mission driven chief from 117 from CE where his emotions were pretty much nothing but rip and tear. He seemed like much more of a cyborg super soldier, where as 2 and onwards has him somewhat emotional. But idk, I'm just another CE fanboy
lol still feel like i would've done better than 343. In saying that, I did pretty good in creative writing for school, but that's only highschool grade so it's nothing amazing. Either way, 3 was definitely overboard emotionally imo. After revisiting Halo 2 it's not as bad as I remember. I just feel like they turned him into a little bit too much of a bitch in 3. Having ONE or TWO scenes at most where he cares and shows emotion means a lot more when it comes from a character who seems to be emotionles. Less is more in this situation imho
@@Mr_Wholegrain nah the whole thing with Ony going after chief is so dumb and doesn’t make sense. So ur telling me ony cooked this plan while chief was missing in combat and Unhatched the two weeks he was on earth between 4 & 5. The covenant civil war was 10x interesting and the only thing cool and halo related to the story is the continued reclaimer story,
@@Youthinkyoudobutyoudont Spartan IIs are practically Oni property, so it'd make sense for them to try to track down one of their soldiers that had a huge part in ending the Human-Covie war. Where that plot line would've gone beats me cause they dropped it and a large part of the Forerunner stuff in 5.
And this level of writing. Halo deserves a movie trilogy, not a streaming show. Sadly I don't think Hollywood is capable of giving halo what it deserves anymore. It needs the type of love those Lord Of The Rings movies got.
It holds Chief in an iron grip, not letting him move a finger let alone any limb, while it has the Arbiter in a much looser hold, letting him attempt to struggle. Shows who he considers an actual threat.
Not so sure about that. I always took it as Chief being held by a single tendril, because he knows he has to ride this out for now and struggling gets him nowhere. While the Arbiter, in his religious zealousy fights continuously so has to be restrained by more tendrils since he can't take the hint that he's in over his depth at the moment.
Taken on its own, without any regard toward the expanded lore and only focusing on Halo 1 & 2, this cutscene has really cool tidbits. The first is Gravemind *hearing* Cortana, and his "I? I am a monument to all your sins." Could be taken as a jab towards Masterchief and Cortana as "reclaimers" - at this point (again just counting Halo 1 & 2, no other sources) it wasn't clear whether Forerunners were humans or not - The Flood is the sole remnants of the past galaxy; a monument akin to Shelley's "Ozymandias". The second tidbit are the snarls Gravemind does to indicate anger/frustration - especially when talking about Masterchief, Containment and the Forerunners. They really got something against machines. Which makes sense since the Monitors have served as their collective jailers. The third is how Gravemind cruely plays sock puppets with the Prophet and Monitor - they are using the mental remnants of both to prove their point, but neither is truly alive; both are truly taken over by the Flood. It hints towards their manipulations; using both Masterchief and the Arbiter.
Honestly they should've just stuck with the Forerunners being Humans plotline they had going in the first two games rather than let the spin-off novels take control of the narrative. Gee, I wonder why all this ancient alien technology only responds to human touch? Sure, people had guess where it was going but that doesn't make it a bad story.
@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH I honestly rather like that the current humans are basically genetically the children of forerunners and ancient humanity. idk, it just feels like it fits more to me.
It always fucked me up that they just left him there. I know the covenant don’t know everything about the Flood but man they are taking one of your main people maybe interfere with that???
@duckman9467 Truth wanted sole control over the Covenant and if I recall he withdrew Regrets reinforcements which we hear from the changing of the guards cutscene.
@@salavantias1948 Correct. From the beginning, Truth wanted to be the sole leader, but the Covenants structure made it require three. He purposely sabotaged Regrets assault on Earth, and then again his backup at Installation 05, and was glad when Mercy was killed.
fun fact- when a Gravemind is made, it's not just the collective knowledge of the biomass taken from its victims. It also gains all the knowledge and memories ever gained from every Gravemind formed before it all the way back to the first. They also have mastery of quantum mechanics, hence Chief and Arbiter getting teleported at the end there. So yeah, Lovecraft meets John Carpenter's The Thing basically.
@@Eva-uw6uo they got teleported because the gravemind had control over the installation's local teleporter device through the oracle, not because they can magically do it. Though, they can control star roads, which are ancient and extinct transdimensional paths turned into weapons by the last precursors turned graveminds
I’m so mad at 343’s retcon. This and “I offer no forgiveness a father’s sin, passed to his son” had so much more meaning when humans were the remnants of the Forerunners.
Technically, in 343's retcon, that might still be true in some way. We're still related to the forerunners, just that it's possible that at some point, we may have split off from them.
I love how Gravemind seems like it is difficult for him to talk like he trys mimiking it and that's why he pauses so much and rather spits out sentences then speak in flow.
I love how the Gravemind responds to Cortana asking Chief "What is that?" in his head despite the fact only Chief should've been able to hear her in that moment. Such a cool little detail. I wonder if the Gravemind can telepathically communicate with others and not just the flood? Been a few years since I've properly really gotten into the Halo lore.
@@KingPabby Many rumors and articles have popping out that the series is coming back. So hopefully when a trailer does appear then it's a remake of the first Blood Omen game. Would you hope that it's a 3d third person game with Witcher and Breath of the Wild type of gameplay.
What? That would be amazing i play the shit out of Soul Reaver as a kid. I have it on steam and all right now but its super wonky on windows 10 and doesnt wanna play sometimes. I would love to play an updated version of those games
Gravemind: *playing with its Halo Toys like Andy from Toy Story "I am the monument to all your sins." Mom: "Gravemiiiind, come downstairs. It's dinner tiiiime. Gravemind: ok mom! *excitedly slap walks tentacles downstairs
It's going to cost way too much $ for the live action Paramount series to come close to the animated cutscenes ... Certainly money they didn't even have enough to make season 2 live up to what it should have been
He is physically turning into the flood and the Gravemind is in his head taking his memories painfully this conversation was his respite from that torture
I can't tell which is more Frightened to hear we have no begging and we have no end from a reaper or Gianr plant form that isn't in it final stage saying I am to all of your sin
The cinematic scenes stil stand all these years later from the remake. I hope I see a full remake of all Halo games before I die and see GTA.7 before I die as well
A nice detail is when you’re playing as chief when Cortana talks to you it sounds clear because she’s actually able to relay the thoughts to Chief’s mind, but when she’s talking to others even those nearby she uses a speaker and it sounds a little staticky In this scene she speaks to Chief directly yet the gravemind answers her question, showing the gravemind even at this stage has the ability to enter one’s mind
@@sockmonkey3393 that's awesome. Very game of thrones esque I didn't know that halo has such a huge story and world before I started watching some lore videos. I only played the first 2 or 3 games. It has obviously grown since then
cant believe we got the halo tv series we got when they did such a massively good job on these cinematics. i know it costs too much to make a tv series on the same level as these cinematics but still
so if I remember correctly, a flood spore is dumb. however as it consumes more and more organic life, it gets its memories, experience, etc. So the more they consume, the smarter the flood gets. And a gravemind is born when an entire planet is consumed by a flood. So see it as a tech that becomes smarter every year.
The flood is a failed plan concocted by the precursors, they are what the flood orginally was. The precursors seeded all life in the known galaxy. (Humans, forerunners, etc.) They were nearly wiped out by the forerunners and decided to transform into cosmic particulate. But overtime it became corrupted and reformed as what we know as the flood. Forever doomed to feed on their creations.
The Gravemind is a hive mind formed from the brains of living creatures assimilated by the Flood. It controls all the Flood as if it were one body, even when those Flood are physically separated. The Flood starts out as a sort of "space zombie" viral/bacterial/fungal plague but quickly turns into a Gravemind after consuming enough brains, from there it just keeps growing and getting more intelligent and dangerous.
I just realized that the line: “This one is metal and nerve, and has its mind concluded, This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.” Is in iambic pentameter.
Scariest part is that the Gravemind isn't just smart, it's a damn genius philosopher.
Whats so scary about that?
@@alexo2303 It can make machines and organics question there purpose to the point of doing what it says and even corrupt the the most diehard beliefs. Its not mind control its literally getting you to think in away with just it WORDS.
@@redd3544 Sounds like anime.
@@alexo2303 The fact that flood has a mind and is doing thing strategecially rather than being dumb small parasites is scary.
End goal of all civilisation is to reproduce and eat, so considering how fast flood reproduces and eats, they'd cover the entire galaxy in some decades.
Now, if they were brainless creatures, we'd have done with destroying 1-2 planets that have them and tada, no more flood.
But that thing being smart concludes that its not easy to simply destroy the flood.
Thats the main reason the forerunners had to make the halo rings.
@@killerracoon8471 As far as I know, all Graveminds share the same knowledge, so even wiping out almost all flood isnt enough because it only takes one flood spore to eventually form a new Gravemind.
You can see the grave mind holds the chief with just one tendril and holds the arbiter with 3. The arbiter is struggling and is combative while master chief is cool and calm.
yeah he said he doesnt wanna get on its bad side, as he had no idea what he was facing
I’ve heard people say that it’s representative of how Chief dosent care what the UNSC does and stays put while the arbiter rebels
@@dumbmemes4180it’s also a symbol for their personalities. One is pragmatic, the other is stubborn.
I think they did it on purpose to make the arbiter as a symbol of religion just as Christianity has Jesus on a cross as their symbol, because you notice how the gravemind says "this one is but flesh and faith and is the more deluded"
Chief knows he is dead if the gravemind wants him dead and escape is also impossible unless the gravemind helps. Big eldritch horror holding you and is dozens of times your mass I'd just sit there and listen too.
"1.2 trillion simulated and one actual." I've always found that one line subtly terrifying
The monitor has been running simulations for thousands of years.
The firing of the Halo array is so important that they are anticipating even one in a trillion circumstances.
i dont get it
he's saying that the halo array has a record of 1.2 trillion practice, simulated firings. And the "one actual" is the one time it was actually physically used to wipe out all life in the galaxy
I kinda dig Audry 2's ugly cousin
Trillions of simulations and it did its job for identifying major vulnerabilities of halo. But the endless was outside the scope or known from forerunners forcing their capture.
I really like the fact, that the Gravemind talks in rhyme, just because it thinks much faster than it talks, so It just can't help but overdue such tedious act as vocal communication. It's beyond need to tell someone anything. It knows all the Flood, and all Flood knows what he knows. That's why the Flood is so terrifying, yet so awesome
you use too many commas, it ruined my day. see? that's the proper use of a comma, and that too.
@@Ry1bw well, sorry, English isn't my first language. I can understand it, but I have difficulties speaking or writing it
@@Raghetiel in that case your english is very good. I really only wrote that because I thought the excessive use of commas was funny, it doesn’t hinder the understanding at all.
@Troy Benson would it be correct if I said "you're using too many commas, and it ruined my day"?
@Troy Benson I will use this newfound knowledge for evil. Thank you.
“This one is machine and nerve, and has its mind concluded.”
“This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.”
"Kill me or release me parasite, but do not waste my time with talk."
@@Baronnax “There is much talk, and I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
@@CitizenKahne1992but first lemme show yall my baseball card collection
@@CitizenKahne1992 “Greetings! I am 2401 Penitent Tangent, I am the monitor of Installation 05.”
I love you guys😂
"I, I am a monument to all your sins" best line ever.
It made more sense back when the Forerunners were supposed to be human ancestors.
Got the chills rn lol
When the cumsock gains sentience.
The voice sounds like Clancy Brown.
@@chadthunderkawk1650 I dont believe forerunners were ever supposed to be human ancestors. Originally they were just the keepers of the universe before us. Honestly, the new canon additions make the line even more impactful. The forerunners destroyed the primordials for saying humans should hold the mantle, fearing they would be destroyed. The remnants of the primordials mutated into the flood to save themselves. The floods hunger, its sole purpose is to destroy all sentient life and wipe out the mantle which caused its children to destroy them once and for all. And the forerunners, more specifically the librarian, left the mantle to the humans, passing that sin onto them. The flood, the gravemind, are a monument to all that has happened in the universe and the evil the forerunners brought on all life.
It’s insane how much Biomass is utilized to make a gravemind.. and that isnt even its final form! Just imagine a Keymind..
My understanding is that the lore was changed so that keymind means literally any flood form capable of sentience and organizing other flood forms. Meaning that even the proto-gravemind from Halo CE was a keymind. I'm no lore expert though, lol.
But yes, planet sized flood forms are terrifying.
@@LonewolfProd_ I think that's pretty spot on. Abominations, proto graveminds, actual graveminds. All are under the category. Then again the lore has changed a bit so can never be too sure
@@LonewolfProd_ But a Keymind capable of controlling a FLEET full of Keyships...that's something else entirely.
I would imagine that a Keymind is just a step away from being a reincarnated precursor. Perhaps it was the ultimate plan of the precursors to one day reform as keyminds. Recent Lore even suggests that the Precursors memories could still be present within the genes of the flood.
@@spdcrzy Oh great, they're turning the flood into the Tyranids and Zerg.
For anyone wondering what the gravemind meant by “I am a monument to all your sin” he wasn’t talking about specifically chiefs sins, he was referring to the sins of the forerunners, the flood was originally a species called the precursors, they created all life in the universe and originally gave the mantle of responsibility to the forerunners, however the forerunners have proven to be unworthy of it and the precursors intended on giving it to the ancient humans instead, the forerunners couldn’t accept this and went to war with the precursors and nearly wiped them all out, the surviving precursors broke themselves down and turned themselves into a fine dust in order to hide from the forerunners, this dust however got corrupted over time and eventually became the flood, the flood had the same goal as the precursors but they believed that they were worthy of the mantle and believed that true unity could be achieved if they turned everything into flood, in short the flood was created because of the sins of the forerunners.
Nice!
Bungie intended for Ancient Humans to be the Forerunners. That should make the line make more sense.
Precursors are a separate species though?
@@djsonicc it's complicated but they were betrayed killed and then became the flod
@@Krovos_ which was jossed in halo three with the terminals.......
Space zombies is terrifying enough ..but space zombies with great intelligence is just beyond horrifying
I think it was only available to him because the two of them where not infected, i don't think the gravemind could use it to teleport flood units
Necromorphs are horrific
Markers are sentient. Another form of scary, smart space zombies.
Those zombies things are called the flood
The Flood makes space zombies sound like a bunch of little bitches. The Flood were originally more or less just a sort of powder that the Precursors turned themselves into.
“FATE HAS HAD US MEET AS FOES, BUT THIS RING WILL MAKE US BROTHERS.”
I don't think he wants to be brothers with that hideous thing. It looks like something that would naturally come to exist in hell
Two out of Three ain't bad.
So honey, this is gravemind, we served in that thing were stopped the galaxy from ending, he's a great thing, but don't get him going on existentialism.
@@zachburskey8868
Haha 😂 right
@@eagleheart2203 Or a lovecraftian planet
The fact that the gravemind shakes when it talks about the monitors “containment” shows how damn smart this zombie cabbage is.
it reacted the same way, albeit a bit less so, when describing Master Chief as "machine and nerve."
@@Joetheknight406why?
@@toohda I assume cause of how tough Master Chief is? I don't really know, though. I was just pointing it out.
@@toohdamaybe because hes so powerful and a reclaimer, so he fears the chief as he is essentially his worst enemy as he can fire the ring like the forerunners did
@@JesseBullard-m6ihe also strokes chiefs helmet almost in an admiring way. I read that as it being impressed with chief and his mind/will. I think the shuttering is just part of the way it talks, I don't think it means fear or anything. It's just one of its mannerisms.
I love how the arbiter even though he's captured still has the time to call chief demon 😁 the hate was deep at that point
Chief is the reason why the covenant deemed him a heretic for failing to safe guard halo
@@slayking2378 He would have been deemed heretic anyway, as most of his succesful predecessors. The destruction of the first Halo just made it easier for the prophets to trick him into becoming the Arbiter.
@@Cesare-BorgiaYou sir, understood everything
@@slayking2378then in the next Game Chief and Arbiter have been an effective duo stopping Truth and destroying the Flood forgetting the 2s animosity towards each other
It is hilarious that he's face to face with like 1000 tons of hideous disfigured meat and bone in the shape of a bloody worm mouth and yet its master chief that gets called a demon
I love how Gravemind shudders at the word "containment". You can just sense the rage he's holding back at what was done to him.
Some fucking insect blasted me with electrical current, I of course would be very angry
he absorbed scp 682 at some point
@@JujangoBangoSCP 682 would be outright terrified by the Gravemind.
@ no he wouldn’t lol
2:24 the Prophet of Regret’s yell here is terrifying.
He is already part of the Gravemind but has his individuality mostly intact. What a horrific existence. What could the Gravemind be doing to him that would make him yell like even though he is already in extreme agony.
Sergeant Johnson was only able to survive so long after intergration with the flood because his blood was literal poison due to being a gen 1 Spartan
I think here that the Gravemind is literally just letting regret be himself to prove his point about halos true purpose. I’m pretty sure after this scene that regret was fully integrated into the flood.
Or a potentially even worse idea: the prophet was never there to begin with. Everything you saw was just his body and brain being piloted to behave like him. Once the prophets part was done the gravemind kinda just went "OK, torture and memory extraction can continue."
@@WallaWallerdoubt it, no point in making a screaming noise
@@lakzerk2344 could be the prophet regaining consciousness after gravemind suppressed it.
Short version: Gravemind needed both of them to destroy the Halo rings so it and the rest of the flood can survive.
Basically 😂
The fact that it could hear Cortana through chiefs helmet is quite impressive.
It shows how aware and smart Gravemind is, and why Cortana was never the same after what it did to her.
@@novavortex7763 fun fact: the reason Cortana disappeared before halo infinite was because she still had the logic plague. Something convinced her to leave John.
@@PaintConsumer21 She was never cured was she? even after touching the mantle?
@@novavortex7763 No, she wasn’t
The only choice they had left was to delete her, but chief didn’t let it happen.
its crazy to think that chief and the arbiter talk more to each other here than in the entirety of halo 3's campaign
Unfortunately, the writing in Halo 3 is pretty fucking bad in comparison, but that’s because they lost Staten as a result. And Marty pretty much took over.
@@ThePilleroflightning What happened to Staten?
@@mkultra2456 long story short, after Halo 2’s infamous crunch and messy development cycle, it really demotivated Bungie as a result. Staten took a vacation and basically left the studio with no story direction, and Jason Jones (I believe) took a hiatus as well. Marty was basically left in charge of putting together a story, which is already questionable since while he always did have input on H:CE and H2, it wouldn’t be the main idea taken into account as he’s the audio director.
I can only really thank Marty for keeping legacy characters in the story (Miranda, Johnson, Arbiter etc.) as they planned to scrap all of them in favor of something different. Either way, Halo 3’s story took a major nosedive in writing since Joe Staten wasn’t with them for majority of H3.
I’ll link a video to it when I find it for you.
@@ThePilleroflightningmarty’s wrotimg decisions were really questionable. The way miranda died and johnson’s death being there mainly for the shock and drama. The fact that the story doesn’t even start until after tsavo highway too
@@ThePilleroflightning This is the first I've ever heard of this. Where did you read this?
I still can't get over the fact that the Gravemind is voiced by the same man who voiced Appa, a giant, fluffy, six legged flying bison cuddly bear, and Momo, a goofy winged lemur, in Avatar the last airbender, and the Clones in star wars the clone wars. That's some serious "Same voice actor" level stuff right there.
Dee Bradley Baker knew what he was doing
And Waddles the pig in Gravity Falls
Dee Bradley Baker, who also made most of those horrifying sound effects on his own
Appa: I A M A M O N U M E N T O F A L L Y O U R S I N S
@@mrlionman5466 why would you put that monstrosity of a mental image in my head... Flood infected Appa... You monster, lol.
That cutscene was the most interesting thing I watched in my entire time playing Halo especially what the gravemind said "I am the monument to your sins", "I have listened through rock and metal and time now you will listen and I will talk", "This ones containment (growls) and this ones Great Journey are the same", "There is time to stop the key from turning, you will search a likely place and you will search another", idk how I remembered the last one XD but nearly all those lines stuck out to me, its such a fantastic cutscene
Well just remember that he is quite literally the descendant of the Precursors. the Precursors created the Forunners and Humans and where then destroyed by the didact. the only reason the didact was successful is because they allowed him. The Precursors turned to dust, which in turn became the flood. The flood are the reckoning of the sins of the forunner.
@@lohengrin5082 The flood were created because humans were curious as to what that dust was and fed it to their alien dogs thats the only thing you missed but I didn't know the didact destroyed the flood, I knew that somebody had to have destroyed the flood then, then you have low iq forerunners who decided "Why not imprison the flood on a giant ring? We could run tests to discover a cure for the flood." (Room agrees), *sometime later* (Forerunners activate the rings causing their own demise) (flood stuck on the ring for 10,000 years) "F***!"
@@jacen1178 I haven't read any of the novels in the last decade so all of my current knowledge stems from youtubers. Anyway, ''Installation 00'' had a video where he claimed that the precursors had planned on giving the mantle to humanity, As you can imagine, this enraged the Didact who set out to destroy them.
Though the precursors were in essence demi-gods, they had a unique belief that the Universe was a living organism and that Pain and suffering where as important to the identity of the universe as was peace. Therefor the Precursors allowed themselves to be defeated, because this was essentially ''good'' for the universe. It was upon defeat that they broke themselves down into dust which wood later turn into the flood.
@@lohengrin5082 I didn't read novels i watched TH-cam for all that you're mentioning XDDDDDDDDDDDD😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💯💯
My theory is that the Precursors knew that the Forunners could not defeat the Flood. But Humanity could. When the didact defeated Humanity he wiped them out rather than accept their defeat. Without humanity, the forunners failed to contain the flood. The flood have suppressed the forunners, the question now is whether or not humanity can defeat the parasite, like a test to see if they be worthy of the mantle.
Therefor the Floods true purpose could be to ensure that Humanity one day inherits the mantle. I really hope we see the gravemind again!
I love the detail that the Gravemind rubs the Chief’s visor when he mentions that his mind is concluded, in a sense caressing his “face”. But then it flips the Arbiter upside-down when mentioning his faith, quite literally turning his world on its head and breaking the news to Thel that he is delusional.
It never ceases to amaze me how people can read so deeply into a scene like this.
To me, it merely looked as though it were studying its new pawn (somewhat disdainfully).
@@TheShockwaveDragon and that's what English class and film studies were all about.. I never paid attention but the symbolism by talented writers is always there
@@warwolf715 And yet, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The only way to know you aren't reading into a work is if the creator admits it.
I never played Halo but this is probably one of the coolest cut scenes I have ever seen.
@Gringo I don't know, there is no particular reason.
@@ivanvoloder8114 Do what @gringo said
@@ivanvoloder8114 Do what Starkream said
@Gringo Not a console peasant
Get it! Even if your poor get the original one for free because it's technically abamdonware, it's fantastic either way
"you will search one likely spot,
and you will search another.
fate had us meet as foes,
but this ring will make us BROTHERS."
best line of the game
"Release me or kill me parasite but do not waste my time," Dude said that right to the face of a lovcraftian monster while tied up
@@crazychase98 fanatics often mistake stupidity with courage.
I find it interesting Keith David played the Arbiter in Halo fighting against the flood. While he also played Childs in "The Thing", a movie about a parasitic alien that takes over bodies much like the flood. Clearly Keith cant escape parasites that well.
He also co-stars in They Live.
God I love Keith David's voice
Makes me want to watch, "Gargoyles", all over again - that Goliath vibe
oh i know it's pretty baby, but i didn't take it out for air...
@@thatonehoots you know the german voice of goliath? Pretty cool too
Would have been a hilarious/cool easter egg if he said to the Chief, "Am I starting to look Norwegian to you?" A nod to John Carpenter's, "The Thing."
@@Tesla_Death_Ray oh god you just made me remember...ass to ass 😖
The way the Gravemind shutters when he says "containment" is such a nice little detail. Even back then, Bungie established the Flood's hatred for the Forerunners
@turututu2113 Idk, I prefer the different species angle myself amd in fact, is what I always thought when I was a kid too. Even when Spark said "you are Forerunner", I always figured he meant "in a way" because of the "Inheritors of all the left behind" line before.
@@theunderdog9353eh, at least you said prefer and don't try to argue that they weren't lol.
I prefer Pepsi, but I know Coke is the original
I find myself coming back to this video every now and then because of how epic this scene is...
I have this saved on a playlist. This gravemind monologue is so fucking epic
Everyone always remembers the graveminds poetry but forgets the fact that it put on a puppet show for chief and arbiter.
I still dont get what that was all about lol
@@newtybot My assumption is it was using them as examples of the different views of the halo, or just the game developers reminding the player that the flood is a nasty piece of work.
Gravemind has such a badass design and how he speaks
I honestly hate his design.
He looks like an uncircumcised dick
why?
@@julzyboy8960
@@valor3221 I mean.. You kinda are 'meant' to hate it.. I mean look at it, not even a mother could kiss that face.
It looks like a nightmarish uncirced penis
“I have listened, through rock, and metal, and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen.”
Goes unbelievably hard
"Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; a father's sins pass to his son."
Grave mind is like “go out and search”
And drops you in heavily infested areas with his minions trying to kill you.
It was guiding them. Herding them to where it wanted them to go.
I still can't believe fans cried about Halo 2 being more story focused and the addition of the Arbiter, so they had to dumb Halo 3 down. I can only imagine what Halo 3 could have been if they kept this energy.
I don't remember that at all
I can't remember for sure, but I remember being a little agitated that they personified chief too much. I definitely preferred the mysterious mission driven chief from 117 from CE where his emotions were pretty much nothing but rip and tear. He seemed like much more of a cyborg super soldier, where as 2 and onwards has him somewhat emotional.
But idk, I'm just another CE fanboy
@@warwolf715 yeah dawg its probably best if people continue to not listen to what you have to say
@@warwolf715 It's a good thing you weren't writing halo, or it would suck
lol still feel like i would've done better than 343. In saying that, I did pretty good in creative writing for school, but that's only highschool grade so it's nothing amazing.
Either way, 3 was definitely overboard emotionally imo. After revisiting Halo 2 it's not as bad as I remember. I just feel like they turned him into a little bit too much of a bitch in 3. Having ONE or TWO scenes at most where he cares and shows emotion means a lot more when it comes from a character who seems to be emotionles. Less is more in this situation imho
“Now I will talk and you shall listen” speak volumes.
This one scene is better than the entire halo 4 and 5 story. Look what 343 has done to my boy
someone has been watching noodle
hopefully halo infinite will be just as good as halo 2
Hey, hold on now. H4 is pretty good by itself. H5's on the other hand, is horrible.
@@Mr_Wholegrain nah the whole thing with Ony going after chief is so dumb and doesn’t make sense. So ur telling me ony cooked this plan while chief was missing in combat and Unhatched the two weeks he was on earth between 4 & 5. The covenant civil war was 10x interesting and the only thing cool and halo related to the story is the continued reclaimer story,
@@Youthinkyoudobutyoudont Spartan IIs are practically Oni property, so it'd make sense for them to try to track down one of their soldiers that had a huge part in ending the Human-Covie war. Where that plot line would've gone beats me cause they dropped it and a large part of the Forerunner stuff in 5.
A movie with this level of production would be great
And this level of writing. Halo deserves a movie trilogy, not a streaming show.
Sadly I don't think Hollywood is capable of giving halo what it deserves anymore. It needs the type of love those Lord Of The Rings movies got.
To think this massive beast, with more intelligence than most of the galaxy, started as a small flood spore.
God the writing was soooo good in halo 2
"Those who built this place knew what they wrought. Do NOT mistake their intent, or all will perish, as they did before."
Still my favorite antagonist of all time
It holds Chief in an iron grip, not letting him move a finger let alone any limb, while it has the Arbiter in a much looser hold, letting him attempt to struggle. Shows who he considers an actual threat.
Not so sure about that. I always took it as Chief being held by a single tendril, because he knows he has to ride this out for now and struggling gets him nowhere. While the Arbiter, in his religious zealousy fights continuously so has to be restrained by more tendrils since he can't take the hint that he's in over his depth at the moment.
Taken on its own, without any regard toward the expanded lore and only focusing on Halo 1 & 2, this cutscene has really cool tidbits.
The first is Gravemind *hearing* Cortana, and his "I? I am a monument to all your sins." Could be taken as a jab towards Masterchief and Cortana as "reclaimers" - at this point (again just counting Halo 1 & 2, no other sources) it wasn't clear whether Forerunners were humans or not - The Flood is the sole remnants of the past galaxy; a monument akin to Shelley's "Ozymandias".
The second tidbit are the snarls Gravemind does to indicate anger/frustration - especially when talking about Masterchief, Containment and the Forerunners. They really got something against machines. Which makes sense since the Monitors have served as their collective jailers.
The third is how Gravemind cruely plays sock puppets with the Prophet and Monitor - they are using the mental remnants of both to prove their point, but neither is truly alive; both are truly taken over by the Flood. It hints towards their manipulations; using both Masterchief and the Arbiter.
Honestly they should've just stuck with the Forerunners being Humans plotline they had going in the first two games rather than let the spin-off novels take control of the narrative. Gee, I wonder why all this ancient alien technology only responds to human touch? Sure, people had guess where it was going but that doesn't make it a bad story.
@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH I honestly rather like that the current humans are basically genetically the children of forerunners and ancient humanity. idk, it just feels like it fits more to me.
Anyone else notice that the Gravemind shows so much disgust at the term 'containment'? It knows damn well what it means, and HATES it.
Yeah it's fully aware of what the halo rings were built for and what they mean to his existence
I like the animation on this. I wish this would be used for a movie someday
Prophet of Mercy tapping the button on his throne to activate his sheild and it failing was prob done by Truth.
It always fucked me up that they just left him there. I know the covenant don’t know everything about the Flood but man they are taking one of your main people maybe interfere with that???
@duckman9467 Truth wanted sole control over the Covenant and if I recall he withdrew Regrets reinforcements which we hear from the changing of the guards cutscene.
@@salavantias1948 Correct. From the beginning, Truth wanted to be the sole leader, but the Covenants structure made it require three. He purposely sabotaged Regrets assault on Earth, and then again his backup at Installation 05, and was glad when Mercy was killed.
The gravemind's physical form doesn't scare me, but its intelligence and capability, along with its intentions, do.
This gravemind creature has a huge lovecraftian feeling
Bro the flood are as lovecraftian as it gets.
fun fact- when a Gravemind is made, it's not just the collective knowledge of the biomass taken from its victims. It also gains all the knowledge and memories ever gained from every Gravemind formed before it all the way back to the first. They also have mastery of quantum mechanics, hence Chief and Arbiter getting teleported at the end there. So yeah, Lovecraft meets John Carpenter's The Thing basically.
@@Eva-uw6uo they got teleported because the gravemind had control over the installation's local teleporter device through the oracle, not because they can magically do it. Though, they can control star roads, which are ancient and extinct transdimensional paths turned into weapons by the last precursors turned graveminds
@@TileBitan That´s it, the gravemind mastered installation 05 transportation matrix, that´s why it could transport chief and the arbiter
I’m so mad at 343’s retcon. This and “I offer no forgiveness a father’s sin, passed to his son” had so much more meaning when humans were the remnants of the Forerunners.
Technically, in 343's retcon, that might still be true in some way. We're still related to the forerunners, just that it's possible that at some point, we may have split off from them.
3:30 I love how Gravemind rips them so hard it damages their shields.
Is that what that was? I've never played a Halo game so I was confused
@@mr._.mav792 It wasn't their energy shields that were flashing; it was the power of teleportation.
@@mr._.mav792 yup
that was a light when comes due to teleportation dumbo
@@MM-sx7zs no it was them teleporting lol
I love villain speeches always gives me chills
I love how Gravemind seems like it is difficult for him to talk like he trys mimiking it and that's why he pauses so much and rather spits out sentences then speak in flow.
I love how the Gravemind responds to Cortana asking Chief "What is that?" in his head despite the fact only Chief should've been able to hear her in that moment. Such a cool little detail. I wonder if the Gravemind can telepathically communicate with others and not just the flood? Been a few years since I've properly really gotten into the Halo lore.
He can telepathically communicate. He does it in halo 3
My mom catching me & my brother sneaking fruit snacks after bedtime on a school night.
LOLOLOL
It was so funny in Halo 3 that the Gravemind was so pissed at the Master Chief for rescuing Cortana from High Charity.
Makes me wonder how much more terrifying Square Enix work on the Elder God will be when they release the Legacy of Kain Remake Series.
is a remake something that's going to happen? I don't think i fell in love with a series more than LoK/SR
@@KingPabby Many rumors and articles have popping out that the series is coming back. So hopefully when a trailer does appear then it's a remake of the first Blood Omen game. Would you hope that it's a 3d third person game with Witcher and Breath of the Wild type of gameplay.
What? That would be amazing i play the shit out of Soul Reaver as a kid. I have it on steam and all right now but its super wonky on windows 10 and doesnt wanna play sometimes. I would love to play an updated version of those games
This didn't age well
“We belong together now. Two peepees in one poo.”
God it looks so good
Ya called
@@god5656doesn’t it look so good??
@@ImDimiko i no no wanna answer
1:48 i always chuckled at that part ☝🤓
This came out in 2014 and looks better than everything that's come out since.
Gravemind: *playing with its Halo Toys like Andy from Toy Story
"I am the monument to all your sins."
Mom: "Gravemiiiind, come downstairs. It's dinner tiiiime.
Gravemind: ok mom!
*excitedly slap walks tentacles downstairs
LOLOL
Gravemind: *Wakes Up From Nightmare* Ugh
“Silence fills the empty grave, now that I have gone. But my mind is not at rest, for questions linger on. I will ask, and YOU will answer”.
The Voice acting was beautiful
“I have listened through rock and metal and time.”
-Gravemind
God, halo 2´s narration is the best in the series
Good to hear that Keith David still voices the arbitor for the NEVER ENDING "Halo" games, geesh.
Morrigan:
"tis a rhyming tree, what manner of spirit is this?"
Gravemind: 0:50
*rip gravemind*
Wtf dude, the gravemind has a teleportation capacity. How tf are they going to win?
He was using the halo rings teleportation system, since he had infected it enough to apparently gain access to it.
"Y'Knooooow gingivitis is the number one cause of aaaaallll tooth decay"
Mr. Ventura!
Back when Halo was good. Those who were around to see Halo CE launch as a kid…?….we had it good. 💯
The moment that floodling touched him, he was already dead, he just didnt know it yet.
Halo has a very awesome story. Great sci-fi.
The doom slayer wouldn’t let himself be handled like that
Man, I love the effects they have on his voice.
It's going to cost way too much $ for the live action Paramount series to come close to the animated cutscenes ... Certainly money they didn't even have enough to make season 2 live up to what it should have been
How I miss staying up til 3am just playing the story modes!
At 2:20 I like how regret screams as if he is being tortured
He is physically turning into the flood and the Gravemind is in his head taking his memories painfully this conversation was his respite from that torture
I can't tell which is more Frightened to hear we have no begging and we have no end from a reaper or Gianr plant form that isn't in it final stage saying I am to all of your sin
I love the monitor he was so excited to see Chief XD
The Gravemind sounds so happy when it says "this Ring will make us brothers".
"kill me or release me parasite" Goddamn Arbiter
I love how the prophet wasn't useful enough to infect, gravemind just wanted him dead
"Relax. I'd rather not piss this thing off."
Demon.
This scene alone is better than Halo TV season 1 & 2
So this is what Abu al-Wield did before he met Riddick
The cinematic scenes stil stand all these years later from the remake. I hope I see a full remake of all Halo games before I die and see GTA.7 before I die as well
I wish every religious ceremony had a halo oracle present to interject 😂
I always loved the bickering between Pentitent Tangent and the Prophet of Regret. Absolutely hilarious 😂
2:55 master chief: HALO is a weapon
Gamers: HALO is our life!!
I’ll drink to that 🍷🗿
@@PapaOoni the grave mind himself has graced us with his presence 🙌
Easily one of the scariest villains in all of science fiction
"I shall talk, and you shall listen."
A nice detail is when you’re playing as chief when Cortana talks to you it sounds clear because she’s actually able to relay the thoughts to Chief’s mind, but when she’s talking to others even those nearby she uses a speaker and it sounds a little staticky
In this scene she speaks to Chief directly yet the gravemind answers her question, showing the gravemind even at this stage has the ability to enter one’s mind
4:32 that was just mean. It would have taken less time to smash the tiny brain thing than to stop and explain that the great journey waits for noone.
yeah if you look back at the lore of the prophets, most of the prophets gain political power from really terrible actions.
@@sockmonkey3393 that's awesome. Very game of thrones esque
I didn't know that halo has such a huge story and world before I started watching some lore videos.
I only played the first 2 or 3 games. It has obviously grown since then
It always fucked me up that they just leave him there to the Flood form
cant believe we got the halo tv series we got when they did such a massively good job on these cinematics. i know it costs too much to make a tv series on the same level as these cinematics but still
One of if not the best scenes in video game history.
I knew it was a sin to download all those mp3s in the early 2000s but i didn't know it would create this.
guardian vs worm god with fallen captain so cool.
My favorite line has to be "Now I shall talk and you shall listen"
so what exactly is a gravemind? a smart ass demon tentacle? is it ally or enemy?? didnt play halo so excuse my ignorance, but this scene is mad clean
so if I remember correctly, a flood spore is dumb. however as it consumes more and more organic life, it gets its memories, experience, etc. So the more they consume, the smarter the flood gets. And a gravemind is born when an entire planet is consumed by a flood. So see it as a tech that becomes smarter every year.
The flood is a failed plan concocted by the precursors, they are what the flood orginally was. The precursors seeded all life in the known galaxy. (Humans, forerunners, etc.) They were nearly wiped out by the forerunners and decided to transform into cosmic particulate. But overtime it became corrupted and reformed as what we know as the flood. Forever doomed to feed on their creations.
The Gravemind is a hive mind formed from the brains of living creatures assimilated by the Flood. It controls all the Flood as if it were one body, even when those Flood are physically separated. The Flood starts out as a sort of "space zombie" viral/bacterial/fungal plague but quickly turns into a Gravemind after consuming enough brains, from there it just keeps growing and getting more intelligent and dangerous.
It's the combined intelligence of the flood made from it's many hosts. It's basically their brain and the more the flood infects the smarter it gets
The monument to all the sins of the world
0:10 - 0:23 is me in the bathroom, the morning after a night full of gin and some... questionable decisions.
Master Chef: take a breath mint jeez
I just realized that the line:
“This one is metal and nerve, and has its mind concluded,
This one is but flesh and faith, and is the more deluded.”
Is in iambic pentameter.