In BG's, I drop single targets before 6 sec is up, so I fill up Nightstalker, also, i fyou're a Nelf and you have full Nightstalker, the second you pop out of stealth, if you need to get away, you can hit Shadowmeld, with the far lower CD you can use Shadowmeld like a secondary Vanish.
I am a backstab rogue. I feel that the extra combo points from Honor Among Thieves are not so necessary. I only put 1 point at HAT and 2 points on Waylay. The un-dispellable snare might be more useful than the extra cp... Just my opinion...
AWESOME! Love it N3rkmind! I am really eager to see the Backstab Vs Hemmorage video. Lots of great advice on the specs. I honestly thought the Hemmorage spec was the way to go, (I took out 2 points of HaT and put them in Nightstalkers) but I seemed to have damage problems. Like I couldn't burst down people very well. I shall try that out and the backstab one as well.
Another really awesome hemmo spec (which is really great against frost mages too, i use it in bgs and even 2s) is specing into improved sprint and improved kick in the combat tree, then using the last point in Lethality. It's kind of like the hemmo-survival spec.
@VanixGaming hi , i'm the blindsaplol and i can tell you : as he said backstab spec is for arena , and for arenas , honsetly going with dk is not the best combo right now , they are super squishy and are killed really fast if they dont have healers . so you should go with mage , or with priest if you want to get higher .
@WhatsFTW you mean when you strike you are not moving ? if this is correct , then the answer is simple , use the the keys : A , S , D , W and not the arrows to move , you'll have your atacks very closer and will be able to move . Try it first , then practise to move with your mouse and only the Q and E and your mouse or W , to move lateraly and not backpedal .
@Whybotherwithname If you didnt noticed yet i talk about 3 diferent spec, not only the one with nigthstalker... and i actualy mention that the survival build isnt good in arena/rbg
@MrHobys Yeah I think you are right about the dubble dps trinket as a human but night elfs looks better and they also have a racial which reduce nature damage taken and another racial which reduce the chance that you will be hit by melee and ranged attack, both are very useful, they also have a spelled call Shadowmeld which basically work as a less powerful vanish
you would take 1 if you want to put points into quickness (in the assassin build) to increase healing but if u want more dmg get 3/3 cuz it gives u a ton of combo points so u can do stuff a lot more.
@joemay5 go and try to press first 1 time on honor among thives , then try to press 3 times . then if you read you'll magically discover that the CP effect occures every 2 sec insead of 4 sec , so yeah it changes things
je suis très content du résultat . je te remercie encore d'avoir fait en sorte que cette vidéo ait vue le jour . et je suis impatient de voire si le résultat sera aussi satisfaisant sur les 3 autres videos =)
Why did you take nightstalker when the movement speed on quickening very clearly says that the movement increase doesn't stack? And HaT is REALLY underestimated since it also takes the cooldown of the extra combopoint down as you get into the talent. HaT also picks up cp's from your own crits which means, cause rogues stack crit, that you will get another cp every 2 seconds. Other than that it was a good guide but explain some of the abilities you don't pick
Crip can be dispelled waylay can only be dispelled by freedom that's why some rogues use it in arena. It's situational and I would rather take it in a backstabbing build and use an extra offhand with mind numbing or enrage dispell one instead of 2 extra points in HoT or nightstalker
@modestux274 absolutly not , the only unecessary talents ( i mean by that the interchangeable or not needed to be 3/3 talents ) : Nightstalker , waylay , Iniative , enveloping shadow ,Honor among thieve , and serrated blades . the rest must be 3/3 talents and in any build for sub pvp
@SoyZeratul yeah it does, but you shouldnt be focusing on that, your main thing you should be thinking about is the 5% crit, the seconds in which you can get combo points isnt important enough.
@Kamia2003 actually , I think nightstalker isn't usefull . but HaT is better than waylay , because even if it's thrue that it can be only dispeled by freedom , don't worry , even if druids and pally can dispel it , they wont do waste their time on doing this , specially if yoou are doing your job and bursting your target and cc'ing the other .. in fact they'll only dispel when you are on them and youare not making any damage , so they can kite you and make you loose your time .
I noticed that you're a Night Elf rogue. I dont expect you to do a whole video on this but maybe a short comment: can you explain why you chose night elf? i dont know much about rogues but im pretty sure that human's double dps trinket is still OP for pvp so did you pick night elf just for sexy looks or for some other reason? was just curious. thanks for the video, thinking of starting a rogue hence my question !
i would say night elf is. they get a free vanish. all you have to do is macro shadowmeld and stealth together. you shadowmeld to get out of combat then you stealth. that shit is OP. it is way more usable then the extra damage trinket you can use as a human.
He mate! Really liked this video. i want to ask you if don't feel that being NE is a compromise? I notice everyone is human now, obviously for the trinket slot
@kguo0427 nah even if it's dispelable , healers wont take time to dispell venoms on a 3v3 arena , there is too much pressure for that and no time to waste in that . and anyway , if you are worried about snaring you can put in MH cripling poison so your target is always slowed ( because every special attack is used by MH and there is like 90% proc to apply MH venom ) and if you want to use shiv , just do a macro that switches your MH into your OH then you still can apply cripling poison =)
hey how do you keep moving while attacking your target??? can u get an addon so it keeps looking at him or do you have to manually do it with your keys or what?
Nerk can you tell me what would be the best to play with in 2s, blood or frost dk (im a rogue) and also please tell me which spec it should take, Thnx!
@IDontPlayChess123 you'll see in 2nd video if you made the right choice =) but as rogue I recomend it for fun . you keep your energy always up , because of the low cost energy , because of HaT as CP generator , and recuperate . it's really a nice build, but nerkmind doesnt like it =P .
@SoyZeratul What I said was a joke, like an Emo kid, not the Hemo spec.... haha! Anyways, I`m all about damage, with HaT and Recup, I can get upto 4 backstabs before having to spam anything else....
@SoyZeratul Ah ok thanks couse i'm used to having iniative(from the wotlk build) and it just doesn't feel right without that talent, anyways thanks for the reply :)
@Whybotherwithname simply because what you say makes no sense : if it's not worth playing as mutilatre then why botter talking about nightstalker in mutilate ? and returning to the begining , he said that survival spec wasn't good in bg or arena , only if you want to be tanky or run faster when you vanish .
3/3 Honor among thieves is only useful in battlegrounds or 5v5 (although it wouldn't be "very" useful in 5s as well) , otherwise just put 1 point on it
you are not wring , but you just have to listen carrefully what he sais : survival build is more for random bg or solo instances , not really effective in arena . and then when he talks about the 2 other specs ( both contain HaT ) he sais they are the optimal for arenas or rbg and if you take a look on the next videos , he doesnt even talk about the survival build .
I see alot of opinions here how your suppose to use a rogue...you know what do what you think is best for your rogue,and dont worry about how other people fight using their skills.If they get the beat down on their foe,Than i say keep doing what your doing rogues.And if you people who think people should do it your way...THAN COME TO "FROSTMOURNE" and recieve an ass beat down by Gangfight Im a brawler rogue who yet has met defeat since i mastered my rogue.so go on troll me,OR BRING IT ON SCRUBS!
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In BG's, I drop single targets before 6 sec is up, so I fill up Nightstalker, also, i fyou're a Nelf and you have full Nightstalker, the second you pop out of stealth, if you need to get away, you can hit Shadowmeld, with the far lower CD you can use Shadowmeld like a secondary Vanish.
I am a backstab rogue. I feel that the extra combo points from Honor Among Thieves are not so necessary. I only put 1 point at HAT and 2 points on Waylay. The un-dispellable snare might be more useful than the extra cp...
Just my opinion...
AWESOME! Love it N3rkmind! I am really eager to see the Backstab Vs Hemmorage video. Lots of great advice on the specs. I honestly thought the Hemmorage spec was the way to go, (I took out 2 points of HaT and put them in Nightstalkers) but I seemed to have damage problems. Like I couldn't burst down people very well. I shall try that out and the backstab one as well.
Another really awesome hemmo spec (which is really great against frost mages too, i use it in bgs and even 2s) is specing into improved sprint and improved kick in the combat tree, then using the last point in Lethality. It's kind of like the hemmo-survival spec.
@VanixGaming hi , i'm the blindsaplol and i can tell you : as he said backstab spec is for arena , and for arenas , honsetly going with dk is not the best combo right now , they are super squishy and are killed really fast if they dont have healers . so you should go with mage , or with priest if you want to get higher .
@WhatsFTW you mean when you strike you are not moving ? if this is correct , then the answer is simple , use the the keys : A , S , D , W and not the arrows to move , you'll have your atacks very closer and will be able to move . Try it first , then practise to move with your mouse and only the Q and E and your mouse or W , to move lateraly and not backpedal .
@Whybotherwithname If you didnt noticed yet i talk about 3 diferent spec, not only the one with nigthstalker... and i actualy mention that the survival build isnt good in arena/rbg
@MrHobys Yeah I think you are right about the dubble dps trinket as a human but night elfs looks better and they also have a racial which reduce nature damage taken and another racial which reduce the chance that you will be hit by melee and ranged attack, both are very useful, they also have a spelled call Shadowmeld which basically work as a less powerful vanish
@MrHobys I picked the nightelf for the cute look , but yes , humans are much strongers when it comes to rogue
@Igor5000 the goal is to turn n00bs in decent players! More advanced guide to come , but gotta know the basics first
Great video bud, looking forward to more of this series :)
you would take 1 if you want to put points into quickness (in the assassin build) to increase healing but if u want more dmg get 3/3 cuz it gives u a ton of combo points so u can do stuff a lot more.
@joemay5 go and try to press first 1 time on honor among thives , then try to press 3 times . then if you read you'll magically discover that the CP effect occures every 2 sec insead of 4 sec , so yeah it changes things
je suis très content du résultat . je te remercie encore d'avoir fait en sorte que cette vidéo ait vue le jour . et je suis impatient de voire si le résultat sera aussi satisfaisant sur les 3 autres videos =)
thanks soooo much this vid really helped me and u actually show what every lil talent dose
Although i tweaked a little the arena backstab build it was still really helpfull...thanks for the tutorial
I have a Worgen Rogue and he is an absolute beast
Why did you take nightstalker when the movement speed on quickening very clearly says that the movement increase doesn't stack? And HaT is REALLY underestimated since it also takes the cooldown of the extra combopoint down as you get into the talent. HaT also picks up cp's from your own crits which means, cause rogues stack crit, that you will get another cp every 2 seconds.
Other than that it was a good guide but explain some of the abilities you don't pick
Crip can be dispelled waylay can only be dispelled by freedom that's why some rogues use it in arena. It's situational and I would rather take it in a backstabbing build and use an extra offhand with mind numbing or enrage dispell one instead of 2 extra points in HoT or nightstalker
thanks Nerc, good guide for n00bs, im awaiting the more advanced stuff :D
@modestux274 absolutly not , the only unecessary talents ( i mean by that the interchangeable or not needed to be 3/3 talents ) : Nightstalker , waylay , Iniative , enveloping shadow ,Honor among thieve , and serrated blades .
the rest must be 3/3 talents and in any build for sub pvp
@N3rkmind true but night elves are still good too because shadowmeld is like an extra vanish right?
@N3rkmind I am sorry Nerk I thought you chose the night elf for the flips, unless I misheard in one of your videos.
Yesss just what I was looking for :)
@SoyZeratul yeah it does, but you shouldnt be focusing on that, your main thing you should be thinking about is the 5% crit, the seconds in which you can get combo points isnt important enough.
@Theliam96er you'll see in other vids coming , but he uses wound and cripling
@Kamia2003 actually , I think nightstalker isn't usefull . but HaT is better than waylay , because even if it's thrue that it can be only dispeled by freedom , don't worry , even if druids and pally can dispel it , they wont do waste their time on doing this , specially if yoou are doing your job and bursting your target and cc'ing the other .. in fact they'll only dispel when you are on them and youare not making any damage , so they can kite you and make you loose your time .
I noticed that you're a Night Elf rogue. I dont expect you to do a whole video on this but maybe a short comment: can you explain why you chose night elf? i dont know much about rogues but im pretty sure that human's double dps trinket is still OP for pvp so did you pick night elf just for sexy looks or for some other reason? was just curious. thanks for the video, thinking of starting a rogue hence my question !
Really nice guide.
i would say night elf is. they get a free vanish. all you have to do is macro shadowmeld and stealth together. you shadowmeld to get out of combat then you stealth. that shit is OP. it is way more usable then the extra damage trinket you can use as a human.
@studmuffinzmoore the worgen is better hunter, but can be also an very good rogue. The best rogue race, by the way, its night elf.
hey for hemo would you want sword/dagger,sword/sword, or dagger dagger or does it matter
Right on, good guide.
He mate! Really liked this video. i want to ask you if don't feel that being NE is a compromise? I notice everyone is human now, obviously for the trinket slot
Awesome video man! :D
fantastic video
Yes, it really is that good. If you ever get a Rogue to low health and wonder why they stopped dying as quick, thats why.
@kguo0427 nah even if it's dispelable , healers wont take time to dispell venoms on a 3v3 arena , there is too much pressure for that and no time to waste in that . and anyway , if you are worried about snaring you can put in MH cripling poison so your target is always slowed ( because every special attack is used by MH and there is like 90% proc to apply MH venom ) and if you want to use shiv , just do a macro that switches your MH into your OH then you still can apply cripling poison =)
Very good video!
hey how do you keep moving while attacking your target??? can u get an addon so it keeps looking at him or do you have to manually do it with your keys or what?
@N3rkmind yeah but you said in an other video , that it was because of elsiveness =)
@N3rkmind is it true that Undead is the best Horde rogue?
Nerk can you tell me what would be the best to play with in 2s, blood or frost dk (im a rogue)
and also please tell me which spec it should take, Thnx!
what kind of weapon would you recommend for a hemmorage build?
@xxsnipehshotxx human for damage. night elf for extra stealth wich would=another opener.
hey i made a worgen rogue my first rogue:) and is worgen the best race for rogue? cause every time you see a worgen hes rogue?
nerk, why would you out it in nightstalker when quickening already increases your movement speed by 15% and doesnt stack.....
@IDontPlayChess123 you'll see in 2nd video if you made the right choice =)
but as rogue I recomend it for fun . you keep your energy always up , because of the low cost energy , because of HaT as CP generator , and recuperate . it's really a nice build, but nerkmind doesnt like it =P .
I suck at playing all melee classes cuz I alweays play casters
THX for this tutorial /
u make me less castery
GOMU GOMU NO AMBUSH! OnePiece:))
@Rickehh2k10 What about nightstalker then? you'll be moving terribly slowly right? O.o
Yeah, because of all them top Rogues running Sword / Dagger.
Btw is nighstalker a must talent to have?
@gallianKG009 none, it's the cataclysmic gear .
Why do you actually use cheat death? is it really that good?
you need improved recup... even in backstab spec... you need recup up when you dance . it gives you an extra ambush
@VarickTV hey remember me ?
@SoyZeratul What I said was a joke, like an Emo kid, not the Hemo spec.... haha! Anyways, I`m all about damage, with HaT and Recup, I can get upto 4 backstabs before having to spam anything else....
Nice guide :)
@AlexTehBest1 Yes!
pretty much ALL the top ranked rogues are using waylay now with 1/3 HAT
I heard that Rezn guy is pretty cool :P
OMG this helped so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So is subtley the best spec for pvp?
@asgerkill nightstalker and quckening DO stack, try it first before posting
A non human pvp character in wow :o Impressed!
@SoyZeratul Ah ok thanks couse i'm used to having iniative(from the wotlk build) and it just doesn't feel right without that talent, anyways thanks for the reply :)
What poisons do you use?
@Whybotherwithname simply because what you say makes no sense : if it's not worth playing as mutilatre then why botter talking about nightstalker in mutilate ? and returning to the begining , he said that survival spec wasn't good in bg or arena , only if you want to be tanky or run faster when you vanish .
3/3 Honor among thieves is only useful in battlegrounds or 5v5 (although it wouldn't be "very" useful in 5s as well) , otherwise just put 1 point on it
Daggers, daggers and more daggers.
@SoyZeratul Haha yeah man, what's up?
is the backstep spec also good in bg
Do you recommand any Addons for Rogues?
I FUCKING LOVE YOUR ACCENT.
Whats the name off the song, you are useing ? :)
can u help me my worgen rogue plus my gear can u help me plz? nd what lvl r u on your rogue
@N3rkmind + ur getting another free stealth :D
How do I favorite this video on a smart phone device
@N3rkmind I thougth u chose em cus of shadowmeld :P
Dude I really wonder if you play on US or EU? and if what server?:)
Thanks So Much
GOMO GOMO NO SHADOW DANCE!!
Why do u need move while fighting?
@Atselmya "I don't know what an accent is and I hate everyone that speaks differently to me"
-Atselmya
What about glyphs ?
you are not wring , but you just have to listen carrefully what he sais : survival build is more for random bg or solo instances , not really effective in arena . and then when he talks about the 2 other specs ( both contain HaT ) he sais they are the optimal for arenas or rbg and if you take a look on the next videos , he doesnt even talk about the survival build .
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Can Dara please have some good PvP Lock do some guides or something. Everyone else on youtube kinds sucks or they are pve.
asome video
Whats the name of the song?
I see alot of opinions here how your suppose to use a rogue...you know what do what you think is best for your rogue,and dont worry about how other people fight using their skills.If they get the beat down on their foe,Than i say keep doing what your doing rogues.And if you people who think people should do it your way...THAN COME TO "FROSTMOURNE" and recieve an ass beat down by Gangfight Im a brawler rogue who yet has met defeat since i mastered my rogue.so go on troll me,OR BRING IT ON SCRUBS!
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@N3rkmind brb not abusing vanish immune racial.
Good rogue.
why not Waylay ?
make 1 for dgs
pels
agree
@MrHobys the miss racial is a pain in the ass