To address the comments of this being 'set up'. I've used this method on multiple mages after myself and Cartoonz developed the strategy. The first two duels were filmed a few weeks ago. The most recent duel was one I filmed earlier today. Cartoonz was trying in every duel and also won some. The point of the method is to show you how to beat a good Frost mage so there's no point in showing you anything less. Just because you can't beat a frost mage, doesn't mean I can't. Learn from this video.
Speaking as a rogue who has been playing since b.c. I used to love all the different things I could do to beat mages. Then when Blizz nerfed deadly throw I was thrown off and had trouble dueling and vsing mages in general ever since. Shortly after this video I dueled an equally geared frost mage and won. While winning certainly isn't why I play the game it does make it a little more fun, so I wana thank you for giving me the opportunity to win. You rock man!
Hey Merc, in the beginning you said you didn't like making tutorials because some people may have different ways of approaching certain situations. But the way i look at is I come to your channel for help and entertainment, if I wasnt looking for a way to kill frost mages then i wouldnt have looked at your tutorial. What I'm getting at here is dont stop making tutorials because some kids disagree with your methods. Keep making them because most people do benefit and now I know how to own them
Btw, just to be clear.. Cartoonz doesn't spec into Shattered Barrier or whatever its called.. which means his Frost Barrier will not freeze you when it breaks.
Thanks for the vid merc! It doesn't matter to me if you do things differently. I love seeing your tactics to beating different classes. Don't let those trolls get to you man keep making good vids!
Hey merc fellow aussie fan here and recently started a new toon on darkspear....i think you are doing an amazing job na dthe videos are very helpful...i love watching every single video you release...please keep up the good work :) cheers mate
@Crooda3 The thing is, The Novas on merc last 5 seconds if Cartoonz doesnt doesnt get the damage off in a shatter, Just Cartoonz knows when to let him sit and when to use it for the shatter. Frost Nova breaks on a certain amount of damage.
I really liked this because I pvp as a mage and a rogue at 85 and this gives a good view into how to kill mages and how to also not get killed by a rogue as one too. Keep it up!
You always explain so good what you have to do when your enemy does something, and you always say weak spots of enemies. That`s why I like to watch your videos. Thank you a lot, this method is the only method that helped me to beat frost mages. Now I`m not afraid to duel a mgae for a stake. Tnx alot Merc!!!!!!
From his skillcapped page: "Cartoon achieved Gladiator from The Burning Crusade in Season 2 and 3 with the 3v3 Compilation of Rogue / Mage / Priest. He took a break from the game all the way until the end of Season 6 where he leveled up a character to 80 in 4 Days and participated in most of Season 7 where he achieved Gladiator RMP once more."
From his skillcapped page: "Cartoon achieved Gladiator from The Burning Crusade in Season 2 and 3 with the 3v3 Compilation of Rogue / Mage / Priest. He took a break from the game all the way until the end of Season 6 where he leveled up a character to 80 in 4 Days and participated in most of Season 7 where he achieved Gladiator RMP once more. He took another break from the game in Season 8."
good job Merc, I am a gladiator rogue and I really think that you have the potential for rank one if you play with the right people bro. keep up the good work and good luck.
i know you prolly already know this merc, but when you pop recuperation right after premed, then by the time he starts dealing damage after your opener, theres only like 2-3procs of heals off it.. wouldent it be more beneficial to pop it a bit later?
@Dofusaccount using cheap shot is to make them use a blink because blink removes stuns if you cheap shot then shadowstep to them you can get them in a 4-5 point kidney shot depending on how you set up your opener and they usually just sit in that and use trinket for blind so you can just blow them up during the kidney
Is it a good idea to open with ambush? Cheap shot looks like a complete waste since they can immediately trinket it and you end up not doing any damage and garrote is trinketed or they can just pet nova and walk away.
@MercaderGaming ty for posting this, im going to be at 85 soon (82 at the moment) and i been going through hell just to find a way to beat a frost mage. I'll start testing this asap, thx again for this vid.
Did cartoonz use cold snap in any of the duels? I saw no double ice block in any of them even though the Hypothermia had worn off. If no cold snap was used then this is completely unimpressive, anybody can kill anything if you blow prep and they don't blow cold snap.
@interprosDaz I get a multitude of comments telling me that this was faked. Telling me he wasn't trying, etc. The comment was directed at those people. I'm not arrogant, or a prick, I'm just sick of trolls. You would be too if you did what I do.
lol i dont get how ppl think you are being arrogant in this vid, "oh cartoonz is holding back" they probably did like 50+ duels trying to get good footage of a rogue beating a frost mage, cartoonz most likely won a lot and so did merc. overall good vid merc and it is very helpful, some of us are at least taking tips for what they are and i for one appreciate it because i never would have thought of cheap shot into a garrote, good job mate and keep up the good work
hay merc, look past the hate and at the end of the day just remember that you are better than 99.99% of everyone who has or ever will watch this vid :] keep up the good work. Acanel- darkspear ally
@MercaderGaming What they are saying is they weren't watching the CD on Cartoonz Ice Barrier and or didn't see you blow it off the second he put it up. Also to people saying he doesn't pet freeze you, if he does its pointless, Merc still gets the opener and still does the same amount of damage and its a waste of a pet freeze, Blowing IB on opener? The last duel he didnt expect Merc to push a 24k Evis into him. Chill guys.
@Vytil Well he hasn't been a gladiator yet, but he got the "Three's Company: 2700" so unless he only just got to 2700 and didn't get a single point more then I think you are wrong on that bit. Funny video btw
Did you just say that? Mages have an amazing amount of utility and CC, i play one and i can nearly beat every class. Don't have an opinion instantly from this video, Cartoonz is a very highly ranked mage and im sure merc only wanted to show his victories against cartoonz for demonstrational purposes.
@H4ckaday Yep, no hate, I'm happy for him also ^^ and nice to meet u H4ckaday, rarely meet a person on youtube that can comment like a mature person...
Ok, so I made a Blood DK to pvp with my friends. We locked our experience at 60. Before 60 I would never lose a duel to my frost mage friend, but when he got to 60, I could never beat him. All he does is shield himself, so I can never manage to get a single hit on him. I'm very frustrated and I am looking for tips to beat him, or at least get past his shields. He is saying blood dks suck, and keeps on being a jerk about it, so I want to prove him wrong. Please could I get some help?
@MercaderGaming Ignore trolls.Don't listen what they say,the important thing is that you know what you do is not fake,what others think doesnt care,if somsone learned someone from this video he will believe.
Everyone saying Cartoonz is a bad mage should go look at his channel, I'm fairly sure this was a demonstrational video and cartoonz wasnt trying so merc can show what they might do. Mages are OP, im done.
@Master0fMuppets93 yea i know, i been following Mercader since Burning Crusade .. And I really give him alot of credit and respect, I have a rogues and its not easy being a melee in pvp
i know..but i meant if u garrotte in start and i do much dmg then i stun, he blinks, and prolly freezes..i cloak,step , kill..and i said i use it sometimes
Awesome video merc. My strat is a little different than yours (as you said strategies will vary.) However i gotta admit, I like yours a little better. Great video! As for the whole troll thing, try not to let it bother you. Haters gonna hate,and they're gonna keep sippin' that haterade. Keep up the good work!
@Azasoth666 you spelled shaman wrong bro.see anypaladins at the blizzcon tournament? Incase u didnt catch it this year. There was 0 pallies period. Paladins are not op. if they were why wouldnt pro use them in tournaments for thousands of dollars? Shammies were the only heals at the tournament finals
To address the comments of this being 'set up'. I've used this method on multiple mages after myself and Cartoonz developed the strategy. The first two duels were filmed a few weeks ago. The most recent duel was one I filmed earlier today. Cartoonz was trying in every duel and also won some. The point of the method is to show you how to beat a good Frost mage so there's no point in showing you anything less. Just because you can't beat a frost mage, doesn't mean I can't. Learn from this video.
Speaking as a rogue who has been playing since b.c. I used to love all the different things I could do to beat mages. Then when Blizz nerfed deadly throw I was thrown off and had trouble dueling and vsing mages in general ever since. Shortly after this video I dueled an equally geared frost mage and won. While winning certainly isn't why I play the game it does make it a little more fun, so I wana thank you for giving me the opportunity to win. You rock man!
Hey Merc, in the beginning you said you didn't like making tutorials because some people may have different ways of approaching certain situations. But the way i look at is I come to your channel for help and entertainment, if I wasnt looking for a way to kill frost mages then i wouldnt have looked at your tutorial. What I'm getting at here is dont stop making tutorials because some kids disagree with your methods. Keep making them because most people do benefit and now I know how to own them
I've been looking for Rogue vs Frosties for a lifetime. You are a god.
Btw, just to be clear.. Cartoonz doesn't spec into Shattered Barrier or whatever its called.. which means his Frost Barrier will not freeze you when it breaks.
Thanks for the vid merc! It doesn't matter to me if you do things differently. I love seeing your tactics to beating different classes. Don't let those trolls get to you man keep making good vids!
Hey merc fellow aussie fan here and recently started a new toon on darkspear....i think you are doing an amazing job na dthe videos are very helpful...i love watching every single video you release...please keep up the good work :) cheers mate
FINALLY! what all we wanted... SOME TIPS & TUTORIALS from Merc! :D
Music is actually by Noisestorm - Airwaves - Noisestorm
monstercat is a channel that they release it.
@Crooda3 The thing is, The Novas on merc last 5 seconds if Cartoonz doesnt doesnt get the damage off in a shatter, Just Cartoonz knows when to let him sit and when to use it for the shatter. Frost Nova breaks on a certain amount of damage.
I really liked this because I pvp as a mage and a rogue at 85 and this gives a good view into how to kill mages and how to also not get killed by a rogue as one too. Keep it up!
You always explain so good what you have to do when your enemy does something, and you always say weak spots of enemies. That`s why I like to watch your videos. Thank you a lot, this method is the only method that helped me to beat frost mages. Now I`m not afraid to duel a mgae for a stake. Tnx alot Merc!!!!!!
Double posting like a boss. Merc owns so hard because sub rogues have amazing control, like he demonstrates
From his skillcapped page: "Cartoon achieved Gladiator from The Burning Crusade in Season 2 and 3 with the 3v3 Compilation of Rogue / Mage / Priest. He took a break from the game all the way until the end of Season 6 where he leveled up a character to 80 in 4 Days and participated in most of Season 7 where he achieved Gladiator RMP once more."
From his skillcapped page: "Cartoon achieved Gladiator from The Burning Crusade in Season 2 and 3 with the 3v3 Compilation of Rogue / Mage / Priest. He took a break from the game all the way until the end of Season 6 where he leveled up a character to 80 in 4 Days and participated in most of Season 7 where he achieved Gladiator RMP once more. He took another break from the game in Season 8."
Merc. do you normally have improved sprint in your talents. or is it recommended just against frost mages?
good job Merc, I am a gladiator rogue and I really think that you have the potential for rank one if you play with the right people bro. keep up the good work and good luck.
Merc what ever happened to your blood money video? Anyway, what was the song used in that video? I can't remember but it would be nice to know.
merc, thank you so much i could never derive a plan to beat frost mages. Awesome work man.
-Kimurav-
just a question how do you film the videos? any special things i need to do? reakky want to film in high quality as u do :)
because of you Merc, Ive create a Rogue
Shadow dance at the beginning really works . MERC FTW
i know you prolly already know this merc, but when you pop recuperation right after premed, then by the time he starts dealing damage after your opener, theres only like 2-3procs of heals off it.. wouldent it be more beneficial to pop it a bit later?
@Dofusaccount using cheap shot is to make them use a blink because blink removes stuns if you cheap shot then shadowstep to them you can get them in a 4-5 point kidney shot depending on how you set up your opener and they usually just sit in that and use trinket for blind so you can just blow them up during the kidney
love how merc released this vid 2 days after cartoons claimed in swiftys video that hes "never lost to a good rogue"
Is it a good idea to open with ambush? Cheap shot looks like a complete waste since they can immediately trinket it and you end up not doing any damage and garrote is trinketed or they can just pet nova and walk away.
@Nomunas Cartoonz didn't use Cold snap in any of the videos
@MercaderGaming ty for posting this, im going to be at 85 soon (82 at the moment) and i been going through hell just to find a way to beat a frost mage. I'll start testing this asap, thx again for this vid.
Mercader? could i ask you about if i should role a warrior or a rogue?
Did cartoonz use cold snap in any of the duels? I saw no double ice block in any of them even though the Hypothermia had worn off. If no cold snap was used then this is completely unimpressive, anybody can kill anything if you blow prep and they don't blow cold snap.
@MercaderGaming what is that helmet cartonz is using? oO
@imbashietz nothing ...i got that finaly but what realm are u playing?
@oasemMesao what BG you get badiator on? Only 2 BGs matter for rank 1/gladiators.
what is the helm cartoonz is wearing?
@MercaderGaming You might have to put this in the video itself, Merc. Bout the strat 'n' all.
Mercader isn't a rogue, he is a ninja.
it's funny cause Cartoonz always says that he never lose to rogues.
And btw what helmet is that Mercarder is wearing?
@Vaxzee Its totaly up to you if you want to play a warrior or a rogue, he cant decide what you should play
I like this kind of video's. I joined because of thee 4.2 Rogue tutorial and it helps me to get better. Keep it coming Merc ;D!
@interprosDaz I get a multitude of comments telling me that this was faked. Telling me he wasn't trying, etc. The comment was directed at those people. I'm not arrogant, or a prick, I'm just sick of trolls. You would be too if you did what I do.
@Lothane95 It's ScrollingCombatText and SCT - Damage that he uses for his combat text :)
lol i dont get how ppl think you are being arrogant in this vid, "oh cartoonz is holding back" they probably did like 50+ duels trying to get good footage of a rogue beating a frost mage, cartoonz most likely won a lot and so did merc. overall good vid merc and it is very helpful, some of us are at least taking tips for what they are and i for one appreciate it because i never would have thought of cheap shot into a garrote, good job mate and keep up the good work
I never claimed Merc has a glad title, I said Cartoonz has multiple glad titles, and he does.
@Grimli17 do you know cartoonz is beyond even 2.6 right?
heyy.what actionbar addons merc is useing and how i can put letter to combat moves :D ?
Whats the helmet thing wich makes merc bigger?
never thought to blow shadow dance at the opener! ill try it thanks man
hay merc, look past the hate and at the end of the day just remember that you are better than 99.99% of everyone who has or ever will watch this vid :] keep up the good work.
Acanel- darkspear ally
@Vytil How does he have 3's company? 2700 in 3's bracket.
what helm is the mage using ?
@silentloler It worked against cartoonz...Wonder wich server you're playing on :O
It's funny that Cartoonz said in Swifty's Video few days ago that he never lost to a rogue. How about now Mr.?
@EAGamer1337 He already fought that rogue on a vid, you talking about Thingone right.
why would you ever use kidney over cheap in shadow dance...
and cloak when he is stuned?...
@MercaderGaming What they are saying is they weren't watching the CD on Cartoonz Ice Barrier and or didn't see you blow it off the second he put it up. Also to people saying he doesn't pet freeze you, if he does its pointless, Merc still gets the opener and still does the same amount of damage and its a waste of a pet freeze, Blowing IB on opener? The last duel he didnt expect Merc to push a 24k Evis into him. Chill guys.
Mages I Vs just Arcane explosion spam so I can't get near them, it so annoying, how can I get around it?
@brizzle123190
favorit class? hasent pally been thair favorit since TBC?
cartoonz never petnovas you in the opener or jumps your stuns, thats why youre able to get so much pressure going.
@Vytil Well he hasn't been a gladiator yet, but he got the "Three's Company: 2700" so unless he only just got to 2700 and didn't get a single point more then I think you are wrong on that bit. Funny video btw
kool video. your tutorials are always insightful. you should do more of them.
hmm im just woundering, how can rogues lose to some1? aint they op with frost mages and frost dks?
Did you just say that? Mages have an amazing amount of utility and CC, i play one and i can nearly beat every class. Don't have an opinion instantly from this video, Cartoonz is a very highly ranked mage and im sure merc only wanted to show his victories against cartoonz for demonstrational purposes.
whats the name of his addon, is it bartender4?
Good tutorial my friend, I think you should make more!
@GuardiansOfNorth might be for the vid?
Does anyone know what macros Mercader uses? If so could you please send me a quick little message.
Thank you.
"I'm Cartoonz I never lost vs a rogue." ... Now you have.
what happen with the arc mage INBANE?
@H4ckaday Yep, no hate, I'm happy for him also ^^ and nice to meet u H4ckaday, rarely meet a person on youtube that can comment like a mature person...
Awesome video merc! Loved it!
@0nowztar Did you ever duel a mage with 2.2k+ rating?
Ok, so I made a Blood DK to pvp with my friends. We locked our experience at 60. Before 60 I would never lose a duel to my frost mage friend, but when he got to 60, I could never beat him. All he does is shield himself, so I can never manage to get a single hit on him. I'm very frustrated and I am looking for tips to beat him, or at least get past his shields. He is saying blood dks suck, and keeps on being a jerk about it, so I want to prove him wrong. Please could I get some help?
@Raakenn i think he still had hypothermia at the end
I had never seen cartoonz lose =0
So I heard cartoonz say he was never beaten by a rogue in a video. There's a first time for everything I guess
@MercaderGaming Ignore trolls.Don't listen what they say,the important thing is that you know what you do is not fake,what others think doesnt care,if somsone learned someone from this video he will believe.
The mage is one of the best in the game, with multiple glad titles and tons of videos beating r1 players.
@Necroninja2 he does that for increased energy regen from the energetic recuperation talent
why not sheep him after trinket to evo :s - since merc cloaks and trinkets fairly early in his duels
HE DID IT HE DID IT HE DID THE VIDEO
@aalkaline keep in mind cartoonz is about 700 rating higher than mercader and cartoonz is a rank one...
@solarr1024 I do certainly not hope, that you're suggesting frost mages are a "noobish" class in pvp.
@trytin66 That's the point, cartoonz said he "never lost to a GOOD rogue" making any less of a good rogue harder to believe he beat cartoonz.
Cheap - Garrote tac is awesome, cheers merc. Owning mages in BG's now :)
But how do mages take you? or how can we make it as bad as possible for you ?
Everyone saying Cartoonz is a bad mage should go look at his channel, I'm fairly sure this was a demonstrational video and cartoonz wasnt trying so merc can show what they might do. Mages are OP, im done.
@Master0fMuppets93
yea i know, i been following Mercader since Burning Crusade .. And I really give him alot of credit and respect, I have a rogues and its not easy being a melee in pvp
anyone know the song?
Nice gameplay Merc & Cart. Good tips guys. Thx
i know..but i meant if u garrotte in start and i do much dmg then i stun, he blinks, and prolly freezes..i cloak,step , kill..and i said i use it sometimes
Well.. kidney because the stun is longer and cloak if he freezes me and blinks the stun
nice vid merc! makes me feel warm deep down to see a frost mage fall ;D
Ok, last one. Why should the mage trinket on blind and not on the garrote, cheap shot combo? The pet is always on you so you can't restealth anyway.
i guess you all hate mercader and cartoonz if you go against they're friendship/acquaintanceship
Awesome video merc. My strat is a little different than yours (as you said strategies will vary.) However i gotta admit, I like yours a little better. Great video!
As for the whole troll thing, try not to let it bother you. Haters gonna hate,and they're gonna keep sippin' that haterade. Keep up the good work!
So to beat a frost mage as a rogue is to keep on stunning and never letting them move, thats how you beat any class as a rogue
what if we pvp as combat?
Thank you! I have issues with mages occasionally
@Vytil yeaaaa... Three's Company: 2700
Which obviously means you haven't been above 2700
@Azasoth666 you spelled shaman wrong bro.see anypaladins at the blizzcon tournament? Incase u didnt catch it this year. There was 0 pallies period. Paladins are not op. if they were why wouldnt pro use them in tournaments for thousands of dollars? Shammies were the only heals at the tournament finals