The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History | Asmongold Reacts
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Thank you so much for checking the video out, man! I'm glad you liked it!
I for one welcome our AI overlords.
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Let’s go Max! Love your content! ❤
Got a sub from me, great content man!
Thank you for your hard work in creating such a well made video.
2001: “What are they talking about? I miss Psycho Mantis.”
2023: “Oh, that’s what they meant.”
2024: "Well fuck."
basically lol
You best believe nanomachines are coming. And they are organic and they can be made with your own DNA so your body doesn't reject them
2030: Please let me buy milk I have a family to feed, Idc if it's eco friendly or not
when you first play MGS2 while you're 19-20, learning more about the real world and have no idea about this part of the game, it is B E Y O N D shocking when it unfolds...
I FROZE while it was happening.
There's one more thing about this grand overarching concept of AI controlling the masses that the video doesn't go over: the Clear Codes. After beating the game, the player is presented with a 12-character "Clear Code", along with a website URL. The website is defunct now, but when MGS2 first released in 2001, players could enter their Clear Code into the website to rank their ultimate performance with others who did the same - one of the earliest instances of an Online Leaderboard. The Clear Codes would track how many times Raiden died, soldiers killed, alerts, rations eaten, time spent on mission, etc.
This isn't just an interesting mechanic: it was deliberately included as a means of rewarding the best players for being good little soldiers and accomplishing the Patriots' will in the most effective way possible. The most devoted players could struggle with each other to determine who is the best among them, without realizing that what they're accomplishing is exactly what the Patriots want them to do.
In other words, hidden underneath these codes is one final slap-in-the-face condemnation of the player's free will.
Man, stop giving me nightmares.
Damn, this is so cool
wow that really hits especially with how playing the game that way def limits fun in a way but just , wow
All of us little kids being virtually trained and trying to be best our little Raidens.
That is horrific
Yuri Bezonimov actually used the word “social justice warrior” in the 70s. It’s scary how accurate he predicted how the fall of the western world would be done. He was KGB and was stationed in India when he defected to the US.
It’s all about Ideology.
there were social justice warriors back then
Shut up bro
Sons of Liberty's ending was the biggest wtf. There is a lot more to this game than its ending. The control of information goes as far back as the way the game was marketed by keeping Raiden hidden and showing Snake in most illustrations and what not. Which lead us to believe Snake would be playable throughout the entire game, but in reality Hideo never claimed such a thing.
On hindsight it was genius.
Yep I even remember the intual disappointment of switching to raiden and being baited into thinking game was about solid snake so to speak
I remember buying it and wondering where tf was snake but after playing it I was blasted with the entire ai thing and understood it, THAT was the point how with some misleading people will fill the gaps even when he never said anything about playing with snake
Kojima is crazy but this game was a masterpiece of history telling even before you played it
w pfp dandy
Wow I never seen it like that u r so right
I remember this game being hated for like a decade due to that. Then people started liking it again as 1) fake news and AI became a mainstream debate; 2) the Raiden action games came out and 3) western male beauty standards shifted from looking like Snake to looking like Raiden
You can love or hate Kojima, but you got to respect him for having the balls to put this sort of stuff into his games.
especially since there is a group of people that dont like it when concepts like these are exposed to the general public.
If M.S.M was to cover this they excuse would be conspiracy theory and have Kojima secretly on a watch list.
how can anyone hate Kojima? xD
@@mike496 Konami does.
@@CaelumDino true.. konami and DS haters I guess. weird people..👀
MGS2 is truly an amazing game. It came out 20 years ago, & predicted the dark rabbit hole of echo chambers, censorship & fake news that is now so prominent in our lives. And it's almost ironic in a way that Kojima warned about these things, then was falsely identified for the murder of Shinzo Abe just last year. I hope Kojima keeps up his amazing work. And hopefully he does get some retribution for the blunder that happened with the international news.
It didn't predict anything. "Echo chambers" as a concept existed decades before MGS2, along with censorship and fake news, which comes more directly from 1984.
What? Why did Kojima get blamed?
@@Rellikan He was misidentified as the assassin by a foreign news outlet when it happened. The real culprit was completely unrelated to him, & Kojima was NOT happy about what he was accused of. There hasn't been any developments on the aftermath of what happened, but all Kojima fans know he would never stoop to assassination.
Wüt? He didn’t predict anything. This shit has been part of human life for 10,000 years. As long as there has been large scale civilization with bureaucracy and sub-groups with different classes and cultures and religions, all of these things have existed.
It didn’t predict anything, it just revealed what was already going on, but was obscured from normie vision.
18:39 "People don't care about being right or wrong, it's all about winning"
FACTS. One of the things said by Asmon that's an absolute truth. Winning is addictive.
This is how human brain work. Worldview without cognitive dissonances and paradoxes are marked as infinitely more important task to maintain than being as close to the truth as possible. And losing argument mean that you have to change worldview, possibly starting cascade of paradoxes with your other beliefs. This is irritating and need putting in some willpower to be done.
I'm 33 and I feel like I JUST got to the point where I feel like I 100% 'get' this ending about 3 years ago. No wonder I wasn't engaged with this story when I played it at a friends house, shoveling cheese puffs and Dr Pepper into my mouth, at 13.
Want to have an even bigger mindfucc? Read Ayn Rands "The Foundtainhead" and then compare it to the last 10-15 years. And then remind yourself that she wrote it in 1950.
@@NowioART Ayn Rand and her entire philosophy is a joke
@@filip1261 You come to that conclusion after watching a video of a hater? Or after you read her works and decided for yourself that it is not viable?
So far your comment implies that you have zero idea of what her philosophy even is... and are too afraid to do research yourself.
@Vazzaoth Notice what a reaction just mentioning her name evokes in people who never even touched one of her works. Is it because she writes rubbish or is it because they feel attacked and called out by her work?
@@KrazzeeKane Loving your arguments. Have you read Atlas Shrugged? Or The Fountainhead? Heck, have you even watched the movie?
I was 14 the first time I completed it. I was super engaged the entire time, especially because I've always been on the nerdy/literary side and I played a ton of RPGs. But I don't think I fully understood this segment, and what I did understand of it, I applied only in the context of the fictional world the characters were living in.
It wouldn't be until I revisited it about 10 years afterwards that I truly understood it and then my jaw hit the floor. I know Kojima isn't the first to have touched upon these concepts but he was, as far as I know, the first (and, at the time, only) one to do so in a game.
This exact moment in the AI conversation quite literally shaped my views of the world. I was a young teenager sitting in the dark playing this game. It shook me to my core.
@@DaveSpen The fact you said that isn't from your own free will as well, same goes for me too. :)
I couldn’t agree more it hurts my sole as a 30 year old that there no remaster of these games that being said they do hold up so we’ll due to the art style and insane stories
Oh so there WAS one teenager who wasn't just mashing buttons in a rush to get to the next action part
@@funkydirtybird3946only on xbox except for mgs 1 and 4 but due to licensing series x will now be more valuable than ever
@@funkydirtybird3946 aged like milk
I was enthralled by the story of MGS as a 12 year old, I tried really hard to understand everything going on with the broken CODEC calls, but I didn't really grasp it until playing it again as an adult. Hideo Kojima is amazing
12 yr old you really out here trying to decipher kojima scripts
Poor baby~
He was trying so hard
I didn't get it, and I played Mgs2 when I was 18 in 2009.
It wasn't until the prophecy came true that I really understood what Kojima meant.
High iq isn’t necessary for critical thinking. We have just stopped teaching it in our schools.idek if we ever taught it in our schools in the first place. Philosophy and ethics classes should be just as mandatory as math is.
I think you understanding intelligence (iq level) or grading in school are set to be make you look stupid.
(And some of the intelligence couldn't measure by just paper test, I see people dismentle thing and put back together really quickly without struggle, I see people could do long jump with right body postual , even for a 1st time).
The school system make sure you could read/count, but doesn't nesscary make you think.
I will say, it is quite an opposite for the school exist in the 1st place.
Anyone rebell and break the school rules are critical thinking student, but by increasing of teahcer's workload.
Teacher are getting more workload over years.
The student and teacher ratio always ignore by many (same as nurse and patient ratio).
And people just complain teacher are not good enough, but never want to speak for them.
Teacher feel hopeless, angry and kick student out from the classroom.
They are mark as bad student, stupid and destructive, even ask them to see doctor if they have ADHD.
as Asmongold say about lucky, I am lucky to not being id one of them,
having medication, just because they are not common and my culture are not fond of mental health review.
To able to practice crtical thinking.
You need to be at the enivronment who could express your own opinion.
I think it is also important for you are surrounding with those people,
who encourage you for questioning thing as if abnormal.
Nowaday is not easy for anyone to do that. But also, we should still encourage others to do that.
Classes are setting the ancher for people to stay and thinking, but communication with kindness will always sail people futher places.
@@byoutube8224 Has nothing to do with the teachers. The teachers don't determine what the curiculum is, that's the school boards. Critical thinking isn't taught in any capacity in U.S. schools aside from basic media literacy.
I also think AI is going to alleviate most of the issues involving teachers being overworked and understaffed. So I'm not too concerned with that at the moment.
Not sure what you meant in your first sentence.
@@neetfreek9921 I thnk teacher are part of the systematic created problem, which is from the unfortunate loop, as they arelater determined the curiculum as well .
I agree with you critical thinking isn't taught well, even outside of USA.
But critical thinking is giving the opportunities for people challenge, question, and changed of perceptive and push to the limit.
AI was also design by stupid people who limited their own sky, I don't expect they could solve much problem,.
Lucky is one of the factor.
Critical thinking is not a comfrotable experience, The learner and the teacher were constantly challenging their basic value.
The discussion had to open to any opposition, it mean, the forgiveness and a polite way to offend people.
as well as willing to listening other's opinion, even it is not fitted your value.
It reconstruture the mindset, empathy, and understanding more human nature, as well as abnormal behaviour.
However, we are not saint, critical thinking are currently are really rare value, as we are now less likely to challenge what's the internet soucing.
@@neetfreek9921 (BTW, I did reply you yesterday, somehow the post got deleted, I don't know why).
I agree with you, as nothing to do with the teacher....only, as the curiculum were design by branch of teachers initally, but later become someone random from polictical elected/selected by someone so out of realism, and try to dumb down generations by generations.
AI won't solve the short staff and overwork issue, because people craving interaction. ChatGPT4 maybe improving. But it mean, they will replacing all teachers soon.
The concern is the dumb down the teacher, as a result of dumb down of AI, the designer won't be given a chance for AI to make student critical thinking too.
As in this last 15 years, we only search answer from internet, rather than real human interaction.
We are less likely to listen to others.
That's why I like Asmon channel, he watch and comment even he is not agree with the video creater, he still try to push his limit and challenge his mind.
BTW, I don't know for that 1st sentance.... after 13 hours in front of the computer
In the UK they certainly teach critical thinking and rhetoric at the public schools our politicians usually attend.
Curious that they don't insist the same is taught in the schools the electorate attend ;-)
I played this game when I was like 15-16 and it genuinely terrified me. I actually was thinking this might be really happening. Then it actually did happen and I didn't care
That final sentence. You nailed it, brother.
Cookin' the frog with slow heat
If you played this when it released it means you've had decades to prepare for what it is telling you. It's crazy that many people Still are "blind" to it
@@VioletPrism the amount of people who entetained these ideas then, and now, is a drop in the bucket.
Especially considering hoe many of them joined the 'conversation' later in life.
Challenging ideas isnt easy for everyone. Especially the older you get. Eventually you dont have time for it. You got bills to pay.
I wouldnt be so hard on them, in many cases its almost not their fault.
Kojima was right.
The fact this game came out 20 years ago and basically predicted our current times is amazing
na it was an issue then too . 20/20
predicted? this shit was going on in japan
@@gabrielpauna62 Social media barely existed then though. This was 4-5 years before TH-cam was even founded: add another year or two for the game development. 3-5 years before MySpace. The very first social media site had been running for a year or two by then, and hardly anyone knew what it was.
This same discussion is in Neuromancer and Cyberpunk books from the 80's.
@@leerobbo92 i mean this was definitely an issue that was going on in japan back in the day. their internet was waaay aheaad of ours, so it leaves westerners with this feeling that kojima predicted this, as if he wasn't paying attenton to japanese social media trends back in the day.
hell, the denpa genre in particular was very popular in anime and visual novels when mgs2 came out, and i feel that perfectly captures the moment in time we find ourselves living in now.
I remember it was 6 am, the sun coming up outside, sitting on my bottom bunk bed at 12 years old knowing how profound this dialogue was and having an ominous feeling the entire time watching it. The whole ending was amazing. Everything in that game blew me away like no other game since. Definitely, a moment I'll never ever forget.
Did you beat it at 6am, because you had to play it all night because no memory card?
@@jonathanjacobs8989 haha no I just have always stayed up late into the early morning. Even now at 34 I do on the weekends haha
I’ll take things that never happened for 200, Alex.
@@muke392 is that something that’s not believable? Lol
@@muke392so people and kids staying up late at night to finish a game is an unreachable concept for your human mind, but the fact that mgs2 predicts our current way of living right now in 2024 isn't?
I played it when I was like ten, as a Brazilian that knew jacksht about English, yet I felt it was important enough that I started learning the language alone just to understand. This made a great deal on my vision of reality
Max is criminally underrated considering all the stuff he covers and makes me think about. Silent hill, Xenogears, Berserk and of course Metal Gear. I wish nothing but the best to him and his health.
Max headroom?
ive not even started this video or know who max is, but you mentioned zeno gear so i subbed max from the comments
@@corrupt890 Also sold with xeno. I wasn't ready for those memberberries
Especially Siren series
metal gear ? berserk ? silent hill ? those are my 3 favourite things !
Asmon, you kept mentioning that it could all also be applied to the game itself, and thats actually the next turn the game makes. The colonel literally tells you to turn the console off and go outside. The rest of the game after this point is completely aware of the fact its a game.
I was 16 when this game came out and despite loving it the themes just flew right over my head. Played it again not too long ago and I found myself wholly agreeing with Max about this being the most profound moment in gaming history. It was scary how accurately Kojima predicted our future, and even scarier is how I've started wondering if the AIs weren't right.
at 24:39 the user Mharad asks "wait so Death Stranding will eventually happen?"...it already did. Death Stranding, if you take out the sci-fi elements of the BTs etc., is about delivery people being incredibly important and sometimes peoples only form of human contact whilst they're locked inside their homes and how humans deal with increased isolation from each other and a growing reliance on delivery people for everything from home comforts to much needed medication. Keep in mind Death Stranding started development WELL before the Pandemic hit, heck it came out in 2019...
I can't even describe how confused was my little child brain when i played this game at 10 years old. this all sounded like crazy rumbling to me.
every time i replayed it I never skipped this last bit, but it took a while to understand what it said.
the metal gear solid saga was like the singularity of video games, a point of no return. and it will always be 'my' game.
I feel so lucky I grew up playing it all
@@raielle NANOMACHINES SON! I love Revengence. I love the originals, but the over the top battles in Revengence and then immediately gets philosophical is amazing. The rush and then it reminds you, you have to think. It has fun with itself. Then makes you think.
Me too, brother. Me too
If you think thats bad, i played through all of MGS 1 in japanese, at the age of 10. I understand zero japanese and at the time i barely knew english too. I somehow managed to finish it using a guide in a english game magazine. The reason it was in japanese is because my uncle bought a cheap pirate copy of it in Thailand.
@@Vikingskog that must have been rough ahaha but it sounds so cool in Japanese! Mgs taught me so much English back when I was younger, I always mention it when people say 'games have no value'
@@leBoldman yup, this. games (for me, Might and Magic VII , the RPG game) gave me a lot more than the School B2 courses of English. I was discussing things with my classmates (half of them had family members either working or living in the GB or Ireland) while our "teacher" was not able to understand a thing. Good times, good times indeed.
Lol, I got to this part of the game as a teen at about 3am (trying to grind out the end of the game), and it freaked me out. I thought the game was talking out to me, and no one else was up for me to talk to. No one to consult with on the matter. Just a dark room, and a game speaking out in a sentient way. Still gives me chills.
I wish schools taught how to do proper research. Like how to compare sources, examine peer reviewed research papers and just statistics in general. So many people seem to have no idea how to do this and just pick whatever makes sense to them, then blindly believe it. This makes them very vulnerable to manipulation.
Not public consciousness but public spotlight. It's the same thing with the Simpson's "predicting" future events.
I love to imagine during this moment Solidus Snake is just like "yeah, you guys carry on, give me a wave when you're ready to fight or something".
Lol the codec calls are so inconsistent and confusing in this series. I think I’m this game it’s implied the conversation happens near instantly through telepathy or something since people will be talking and say to switch over to codec call
I was exactly 12 years old when i first played mgs2. And my english was so basic at the time, i had no idea what any of this codec conversation meant. When i replayed the game years later, my mind was blown. Kojima was SO FAR AHEAD of his time it's incredible. Really profound indeed.
It's interesting that this had to be told through the guise of an AI rather than someone else saying it because we would all think they are crazy, but since an AI can present it in a matter of fact way with no beating around the bush is what makes it hit harder.
no human has the capacity to be entirely impartial, but an AI does, so these things coming from a human would just sound like extremist shit.
@@mencibencigood point,assuming that the AI in question was not programmed or taught just a specific bias,this is in theory possible,the complicated thing would be for someone to create an AI without someone trying to interfere in a way that benefits only them,at least for a while
There are some pieces of media that age like warm milk, and then there are pieces like this. It felt unreal at the time of playing, but this whole conversation has become incredibly poignant in the modern day.
Seeing Max Derrat receive some more wide-spread recognition seriously makes me happy. Max makes some incomparably high quality and introspective content. Absolutely worthy of wider recognition.
I find he has a very autistic level of tunnel vision that informs a lot of what he thinks, he often misses the forest for the trees or seemingly really over analyses stuff, like when an English teacher wants you to write down the meaning of something that is likely commonplace or doesn't have that deep a meaning. It often seems like he analyses something looking for evidence to support an idea he already has rather than seeing it for what it really means. I feel he is reaching in a lot of his videos.
@@theblackswordsman9951, Respectfully, you do know Derrat is self-admittedly autistic, right?
@@johncoppinger2241 Yes i know but that doesn't stop it being a criticism. I watch a lot of other analytical channels who don't have this problem.
@@theblackswordsman9951Absolutely, I wasn't meaning to imply it was an invalid critique, (it is a valid critique) as much as attempting to add context in case you were unaware. No meanness was intended at all on my part.
I died laughing when the video gets the optimistic part and Asmon just says "not gonna happen" XD
When i played the first 4 games there was parts of the dialog that gave me chills. Never experience it before in a game and nothing after has really done it again.
Love the MGS series a lot. Kojima is truly gifted at storytelling
Max Derrat was my first watch on "The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History" but he directed me to LogosSteve, the originator on this very true statement. Both are such amazing videos/series of videos and great channels too. I remember the moments surrounding my life when I played MGS2 for the first time back in 2002 (I didn't even have a memory card for my PS2 yet lol.) The MGS trilogy has been more influential to me than any other piece of art I've experienced. I remember crying my eyes out when E.E. died but was still too young to realize the scary implications of this final codec call. It wasn't until almost 20 years later that I came to feel the fear from these all-too-real conversations in a VIDEO GAME...truly ahead of its time. I've never been able to share my love for Metal Gear Solid except through comments on the internet but glad to see Asmongold watching this and bringing awareness to the genius of MGS, Kojima, Yoji Shinkawa, and Kyle Cooper and all the other amazing artists to put work into this beautiful series.
Twenty-two years later and this scene still gives me chills. I didn't fully grasp it back then, I had to replay it to really understand it, but it's still so prophetic and haunting. Great video and analysis.
Edit: From Twelve to Twenty-two years, fuck.
Considering that AI right now is on the forefront and using various problem solving functions with them on a consumer level, plus the term itself is being passed right around like a jar of cookies making people hyper aware on what it is on a surface level then it's kind of safe to assume that the next 30 years will be.... interesting.
I still can't believe how unbelievably prophetic every element of this part of the game was and is. From the digital information aspects to the devolving behaviors and culture of modern humanity. I played the game to completion for the first time in many years and it completely blew me the fuck away. Kojima and Fukushima's overall writing in this game is incredible. It can be silly, outlandish, and absurd, yet the meta-commentary on sequels mixed with the themes addressed in this video are incredible. It's not subtle, but it didn't really have to be nor should it have been. The game used its place as an over the top, crazy Japanese action game to convey ideas that were most likely seemingly outlandish and over the top when it came out. But now, these ideas cut through like a high frequency blade. They are biting, prophetic, and sad, while also being objective, insightful, and vital. I got into this series in high school ten years after MGS2 came out, and even at that time the messages here weren't as alarming. Playing MGS2 nowadays is a damned revelation. Having gone through all the motions of a modern youth in the contemporary internet age, I have been the exact kind of person that the AI described of Raiden here, down to quoting Snake when attempting to assert individuality and free thought. This might be the most culturally relevant game of our era, and 20 years after it initially released. Thank goodness for all of the different forms of release this game has had (original PS2, Substance, HD collection, Legacy collection, etc...) because this is one must preserved.
I was 15 when this game came out, and that ending messed me up, and still stays with me to this day. Max makes amazing videos, his MGS and Silent Hill analysis videos are all great. And i love that hes now covering anime too, like GitS and Lain.
24:09 Mister Enter said it perfectly "we live in a plauge of Moral Convenience"
this part of the game was scary. it came out of nowhere and felt incredibly out of place. if I hadn't played MGS1 first and been aware of Konami's habit of messing with the player, I probably would have put the controller down and walked away.
Oh man, I love MGS2!! I always remembered this scene. My child mind was so blown away. Now that I'm older it seems so much more prophetic.
Dude Metal Gear 1-3 are core games and have shown me stories I never thought I would hear about. The final cutscene in Metal Gear 2 sends chills down my spine every single time.
@@Spr1ggan87 And solid snake is only in like half of the "solid" games lol.
@@Spr1ggan87 Yes. That is what they meant.
When people are talking about the games in this series, people call them "Metal Gear" games.
@@Spr1ggan87 Did I ask the neckbeard?
@@ChaseChaseChaseChaseChase Clown.
@@DrDipsh1t "Solid" is in reference to characters being actually objects and not sprites, from what I remember.
I played this game when it first came out and it set a bar way too high for all the games I played after it. There is still more game after this conversation and the general is still communicating with you and messing with your head saying things like, "it's just a game, you've been playing too long, turn it off" I actually had to take a break and come back to finish it because this part was such a mindf-
The fact that the first part got me a good vibe of the Bayonetta drama where you don't even know who was wrong between the voice actor and Platinum Games
But even then, we all saw everybody jumping in conclusion when Hellena Taylor did her first tweet. And since Platinum's answer, we got a very interesting moments where many people began to think about whether they were in the wrong or not for all the reactions that they had in the first place creating that cringe atmosphere about that subject which immediately fell to oblivion after that happened 🤷
Being let in on the a secret was the point of the scene, and it was one hell of a secret. Truly a surreal feeling playing to this point and suddenly getting the talk of a life time from the most unlikely characters. MGS2 keeping you up at night, was real.
I remember sitting in my dorm room in college playing this on my roommates playstation. When I beat it and got this my mind was blown, probably at that moment I decided to not do true social media (i.e. year book, myspace, etc.).
Edit: keep in mind this game all leads to this ending and getting there is one wild twisting mental ride.
This was fucking insane, to also realize that the game came out in 2001.
So true and accurate nowadays.
Never get philosophical with an AI
Next thing you know you're having a fistfight with a senator
Nanomachine son
I was 20 when i played this game and i still think about this scene and how kojima was spot on.
Im very happy to see this resurrected and discussed because we are honestly living this scene out today
That last codec call is still chilling to this day...
Dragon age just before you fight the blight cinematic was something else, got me hooked
Holy shit...I played this game when it released. Was super bummed how short it was. It was my first MGS game I had ever played. However, being in 9th grade and having internet in our home for only a year, none of this made any sense to me. I really missed out on some good learning not paying attention to this. I do remember finding the colonel's face being decently scary.
It's important to remember that, around the time of MGS2, Japan was, and is still, having a problem with whether to censor its history, ie war crimes. Knowing that, you can draw a straight line to the point Kojima was making.
Max Derrat is a treat to watch. The dude makes great informative videos with thought provoking commentary. He's definitely worth a watch. Also, can we all agree that Kojima is basically like the OG Simpsons writers. The dude's a prophet. He just knows what's going to happen long before it actually does.
He does know whats going to happen alright! Because he's an occultist who loves movies.
FoxDie
I love how most of the Main Character dialogue is mostly questions all throughout the series.
People praise Kojima for that discussion, but it is present in many sci-fi books from the 70's and 80's. The First Cyberpunk rpg from 80 something already told exactly that and it was mostly based on Neuromancer.
I remember playing this and beating it when it came out I understood I think a good 70% of what was said at the time, I remember being horrified with the hairs standing up on the back of my neck when you find out the colonel was just the AI acting
It was weird for me because before the reveal I found myself disappointed that the colonel barely felt like he did in the first game and practically just spat out the same couple generic tutorial esque messages. I assumed it was a result of poor writing and didn’t think too much about it only to realize the game was eight steps ahead of me and the seemingly poor writing was actually foreshadowing
from the first time I killed psycho mantis to the last time I laid the joy to rest and everything in between. God damn I love this franchise. Never played after Hayter left but those games man, Hayter really brought it to life and the writing was absolutely genius
broo phantom pain and ground zeroes aka mgsv is worth playing
I really like his videos. He's covered my favourite game disco elysium at length, which i appreciate. There are 4 or 5 very profound moments in that game that made me question my own attitude and beliefs, as well as leaving me an emotional mess.
Max is great. He puts a lot of thought and research into his videos. I like them a lot.
He seems alright but do wonder how he feels about a political party literally split in half over this exact issue.
He covers cultural cancel issues not that one side denying an election and caused multiple killings…
@@raquetdude Thank you. "Hurr durr both sides, also Twitter bad" is not the genius insightful take you think it is.
@@raquetdude Both sides caused multiple killings.
Keep in mind Kojima stated at the game awards that he changed the scripts for his game(death stranding2) because it was predicting the future too accurately xd
And that's why Kojima is called the "Sensei"!
Man I have recovered this videos 2 years later and they are more real than ever
I never thought asmon would find this video. I am incredibly happy right now.
Bro I was freaking out at this part. I think I was around 12 years old lmao. It was crazy. The AI would just interrupt you playing the game and say wild shit. Then he would speak to the gamer and say "turn off the game. You've been playing to long". Shit like that has never happened it was scary but awesome
Man, I love that when you're watching videos like this, which happens to be a topic I'm passionate about... I can SEE you listening, and feel you taking in what the dude is saying. This video conveys something I think millions of MGS fans would struggle to even paraphrase. Loved the video!
17:31
Did he just mistake Joan of Arc for Jonah Hill?
This game did blow my mind when I beat it as a teen, I didn't understand everything colonel talks about but I did get the general concept. I was also into mk ultra and stuff at the time so was pretty crazy to see all this presented. The part where we find out Raiden was raised as a child to be a killer and his room is completely blank and he owns nothing and has no personality or anything behind him really got to me for some reason at the time, I think subconsciously I understood that the message was that we are all Raiden in a sense in the modern world when we let corporations and consumerism run our lives which looking back was a terrifyingly accurate prediction of the future and is way more relevant now. At least that was my take.
How many people are on the trend? Fashion music nft, etc.
You’re correct. Conditioning, propagated.
Serial Experiments Lain is the anime that got me to appreciate anime as something more than Japanese cartoons.
I remember beating MGS2 when it came out and it completely blew my mind.
When I beat this game it was after a 16 hour play marathon. The sun had already come up, and I was dead tired. I made a bed of blankets in my closet so I could block out the sun, thinking about that damn AI the entire time. I woke up a different person.
My guy formed a chrysalis of sheets and cloth to shield himself from the bright truth to only have the light burned into his mind. Never the same again. This is on some Road Side Picnic shit lmao
Your own personal form of "coming out of the closet" if you will...?
Denying that beautiful falsehood of light to embrace the inner darkness, the pure humanity within
Jumping the shark legit spawned from Happy Days. It was about how insane having The Fonz jump a shark was. The literal moment the show dies.
This scene is also great because it fully utilizes the medium to drive home it's message, that Raiden, the man, is (like allegedly many others) both constructed and directed by outside forces.
He's directed by a stand-in for Fate, or perhaps Divinity, the game developer, and hus character and mission progress are constructed by the player. He never accomplishes anything (you do) nor can he ever truly fail (infinite retries).
He's not real, and that's obivous, but by pointing out that he's only ever coasted off of someone else's input, one may feel one's own external influences more acutely.
As for any points made, i think that Raiden taking off and tossing the Dog-Tag with the Player's Bio on it is supposed to be a sort of pinocchio moment where Raiden chooses to become a "Real Person" and thus exits the game and story.
Of course that didn't last, but hey, every new metal gear is the last one.
And this is why I cherish Hideo KOJIMA, this man is a legend
The Most Profound Moment in Gaming History
"the pandas are on the come up again tho... which is...after mists of pandaria...oh fuck"
i loved this moment, even as a kid it was just profound and shocking
Times are dark friends but i have no advice for but to better yourself for the coming storm. I recommend getting in shape there is no scenario i can think of where having high stamina or being strong is a bad thing.
I’m still amazed at how much asmon knows about the world and history when video games seemingly take up a giant chunk of life.
I think he just seems to be extremely fair and open to different ideas and beliefs. Even his own fanbase struggles with this, as do 99% of people. It’s very difficult for people to change their beliefs and to not demonize others who disagree with them
@@id1550 Absolutely.
Maybe they're related. Games are escapism, after all. Who'd be more attracted to the shiny conflicts and simplified worlds and wonders, than an intelligent man who knows things are upside down here, and he's powerless to stop it.
I'm glad he has a platform, now. I like him. :)
What things specifically are you referring to? Not necessarily disagreeing, just nothing he said stuck out to me as something weird to know about, playing video games a lot or not.
Anyone else notice how the codec bar looks like a gun pointing right at Raiden? Whereas in mgs1 it was more sloped or curved on the inside?
Watching this while high activated the worse depersonalization I've experienced 😭
Man Max Derrat deserves every bit of fame, his videos are fun and interesting as hell.
I remember when I played that game for the first time. I was 13 years old. And that ending shocked me. It felt so real. Kojima is 5Head AF
IA can take the world, i just want to play and chill.
Wow...that is crystal ball levels of prophetic.
Japan as a whole was ahead of the curve with internet doomerims
Didn't expect lain getting name dropped.
A lot of people slammed this game and complain to THIS DAY about having to play as Raiden while sleeping on the message, and we're seeing that they're often the types that feed directly into the Controlled Information world we're suffering in to this day.
These themes are prevalent in Dune published in 1965
Yeah, they have been around forever. Peoples minds blown over nothing.
Every time Asmon is like "I have read studies on this", all I can think is.... "no.... no you havent. You watched a youtube video."
Skimmed through one you mean.
I remember when people didnt like this series. Its videos like this that have to explain shit for people to like it.
I'm glad he did and such a great job as well. The series is goofy because he's not trying to make people suicidal, he's tackling a really deep subject and sprinkles some fuckin tongue in cheek humor in and everyone only sees the funny shit and says bad.
That was Frank Zappa’s approach, and the same thing happened - people remembered the jokes and strangeness, but they missed the message. In Zappa’s case though, the weirdness was there to shock people out complacency, instead of making things easier to understand.
I played the Metal Gear Solid series religiously from the time I was 9 years old (2001). I play all of them at least once a year and I do not get tired of them. I have tried to warn people since around 2011, because I finally understood what this game was implying. No one listened, but that is the nature of this powerful beast. Great vid!
The MGS franchise was ahead of its time
There was mention of "Minority Report" it was a movie in the naughties, but a point to note, is that it was based on a book published by Phillip K Dick in 1956
18:49 And this is when Rules of Nature kicks in
The final codec convo scared the freaking crap outta me as a kid.
In 2001 i had no idea what the context of this codex was, playing through it a few years back i am now convinced Kojima is a time traveller.
Watched Max and his content for a long time! Happy to see the support!!
I wasn't a huge fan of the game itself but I always enjoyed the cutscenes, I remember a speech from otacon that that actually stick with me, I don't remember any actual quotes but I remember him talking about the importance of fiction and the role it can play in our lives.
Look at the lectures of Joseph Campbell, he'll essentially explain the importance of stories, and how it's something we as humans inherently understand.
@@nickelakon5369 tbh a lot of that seems more cribbed from paul auster than anything else. i kinda doubt hideo ever read joseph campbell
@yareyarejose5080 I would be surprised if Kojima did not quite frankly. As a writer who would have grown up when Campbell was big Kojima most likely would have heard of him. Even if not, Campbell isn't the only person who's discovered that
@@nickelakon5369 probably but mgs2 was highly inspired by paul auster's work, specifically the new york trilogy. the new york trilogy deals with body doubles and language as well, the protagonist lying about his name but becoming the role simply because he believes it to be the case, much like raiden.
the reason why i think kojima probably hasnt read it is the fact that i havent heard of him even mentioning it, which isnt the case with say koko abe, paul auster, or richard dawkins.
I was 25-years-old when this game came out. I remember watching this part at around 2am and was bugging out. Had me looking over my shoulder and what not since, back then, I was heavily deep into looking into the occult and the "Illuminati". This video is one of my "go-to" vids I use as examples of societal issues in this country.
Ai when i turn off my electronic device :0
Can you share the source of these studies I would like to read them
Hey Bro... just wanted to put this out there. I'm retired now and old enough to remember playing that series. No lie, that time spent with the A.I. in-game is now coming back to haunt me as I think about where we've gone as a society, no... as a SPECIES as a whole in the past 21 years! The bitter truths being placed at our feet from the words spoken in that game SHOULD give people pause... and reflect on them, and where we want to go in the future. As it stands now, I will digress and try not to be too cynical, however, I believe you're correct in your summation that the status quo will be kept, tribalism will be kept, and humanity will forever struggle against itself to try and move forward. Like that song "One step forward and two steps back" is a good analogy.