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He was. The Graphic novel is called Justice League "Injustice". Also, as for Superman almost killing Batman while he had his powers mine you, without them, Batman would trash Superman. This statement is coming from a MARVEL FAN!!!!! Nuff Said.
Superman: [wants to learn legit fighting techniques] Also Superman: [flies to another planet to learn martial arts] Batman & Wonder Woman: "Dude, are we a fucking joke to you?!?!"
@@drpygmr2416 Batman com certeza o faria um jeito de tirar os super poderes dele, mas não a ponto de ficar muito fraco fazendo ele humano, assim sendo habito a aprender artes marciais. Não esqueça é o BATMAN.
W. Now *THAT'S* a good Superman story. *THAT'S* how Clark should be written. I'm onboard for this Superman. Let him struggle. Press him. Humanize him. Bring out the best in a character.
In other words, nerf him. That’s practically all writers do with him, besides making him evil. It’s weird how Supes is arguably the only character who always gets hit with this type of comment though. Meanwhile, Batman has never found something he can’t afford yet barely works a day job, he can sleep with any woman in the DCU he’s not related to, he defeats almost every enemy he encounters incl actual gods, he can hack alien supercomputers with ease, it’s nearly impossible to possess or mind-control him, and people call that “relatable”. 😒
@mizkomunikation9478 I didn't even mention Batman. Also, Batman struggles. His wealth and playboy status are realistic standards for young billionaires, his training was brutal, let's not forget what happened to Jason, and then there's what Bane did to him, time displacement, The Court Of Owls, etc. His life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. His body is full of wounds. He earned his keep. Superman having to live without his power as he learns how to properly fight isn't a nerf. It's a trial and a good training arc. If he can always just do everything if he puts his mind to it, there's no real value in it; it's cheap. He's disconnected from the characters around him. When Lex got to see the world through Superman's eyes it really meant something because Lex has been metaphysically powerless for most of his existence. That was valuable. Stories aren't all about power creep and shouldn't be. Hell, Goku can pop a universe like a balloon and even he had to earn it. Saitama can rip through planets and he had to earn it too. The Sentry can do *anything* at will and he had to earn it, and every day is a trial in which he earns it because he's *VERY* mentally ill. All of these ultimate hero characters have been humanized. Why not Supes? That's what I'm saying. Being unstoppable and having no genuine challenges that match that power is hollow. Good storytelling hits all the major plot points exceptionally well. Typical Superman stories don't. The reason why Injustice was so good was because it was something that Superman couldn't just punch his way through. He was passionate, calculating, vicious, and vulnerable. He was human.
@@samgeurdi6351 Jesus Christ 🙄 Clark was *raised human* and *looks* human. Those are *humanizing characteristics.* Gods aren't human either, and we *humanize them* in *real* life.
@@JimmyCrackorn If we're going to talk about "Suffering" and "Earning" stuff, then Superman had it WAY worse. What you call "typical" Superman stories, what are those exactly? Because most of his stories are about Superman struggling in ways that all the characters your mentioned can't and won't. The issue is that you don't read Superman comics, so you only see him show off when other heroes needed him. But in his stories you see Superman being quite different than what pop culture believes him to be. He's not always smiling, he's not a Spiderman with a Cape, he's not Mr. Perfection, and he's by no means a silly boy scout. Most of his comics are about a guy burdened by fear, by desperation even, or feeling that he doesn't belong to the planet, struggling with difficult decisions about when to interfere, and when to stay back. Frustrated because half the planet considers him a God, and the other half considers him a monster they should be afraid of. Constantly being hunted to steal his power and study him like a monkey. He's also afraid of his own power, so he keeps bashing his head to control his power to the point that he has these weird mental barriers that will not allow him to use his max potential like Supergirl does. Earning powers? Heat vision alone is evidence enough of how much he has trained to achieve the level of power he uses, because no other kryptonian has shown half the skills and tools he can use with heat vision alone. Supergirl is not as experienced as Superman using heat vision because of her lack of training. Also, she barely learned how to use her superspeed to phase through energy and objects, like Superman does, because he did train those things to achieve that level of power. Same can be said about his super senses, all of them he had to struggle to learn how to control them and not end up being a crazy delulu. He has also trained a bunch of martial arts and sought training with tons of people, exactly like Batman did. And each of these trainings helped to grow his powers. As matter of fact, lorewise, Superman has had way more masters and training than Goku. With Whiz, Goku had 7 schools or masters. Superman had 11 that I can recall right now: - Wonder Woman - Batman - Mongul II - Wildcat - Darkseid - Can't remember who taught him two different kryptonian martial arts. Torquasm Rao and Torquasm Vo. - Wioska - Muhamed Ali - His own father, Pa Kent, happened to know how to fight and trained him when he was young. - Was also trained by the Kryptonian Army - Flash also helped him trained his speed and use of it. And to make things worse, because he's noble, he does struggle a lot even financially because he doesn't use his powers to cheat. And if you want to talk about all the tragedies: - Superman had two adoptive sons, both killed. - Superman was once send to an alternate reality where he had wife, son, life was perfect, and suddenly they took all of those things away. He saw his boy grow, and become an adult, and him, turning into a grandpa, just to realize everything was fake, and they took all of that away. - Mxy alone has managed to torture his mind not less than a dozen of times. - Was tortured and brainwashed by Darkseid. - Was trapped in a dimension for many years until he got free from it, trying to fix his brain. - Doomsday not only killed him, but broke his body leaving him without powers and also hurt his mind to the point he had to leave Earth for a year to heal himself. And many more situations, like every superhero, because no superhero has had it easy, not even Superman being the strongest of them. You just don't know the character pretty well, but he seems pretty human to me, as matter of fact, the most human of them all, because Batman is not a relatable character, I don't feel depressed, I don't feel paranoid, and I don't think I need to use intimidation to deal with people, nor I see okay his way of life or thinking. Superman, on the other hand, is the most normal guy who you can relate with, with struggles we all can relate in some circumstances.
"Superman has many times been depicted as being a very capable fighter with or without his abilities. Examples include his learning boxing from Wildcat, his learning the fighting arts from Mongul, his learning additional martial arts from Wonder Woman, as well as his learning pressure point fighting from Batman."
True but the writers either are somewhat oblivious or more likely know but choose to ignore these facts. They realize that Superman is already hard to write for and if he could let’s say consistently fight like Goku and tap into that fighting instinct he be unstoppable.
@@connordutton674 That's a big issue with Superman, he's so powerful he typically doesn't even need to utilize advanced fighting techniques and even if he does, Earthly martial arts are designed to defeat humans and he doesn't really need much help doing that. I don't think things like even Batman's expertise in pressure point striking always works on aliens with distinctly different physiology
Yeah, they should. Supes is so strong, it's hard to write him. How do they include the rest of DC when Supers can defeat Darksaid and Apokalips by himself?
If you put him in an mma or boxing match without hes powers does he beat Khalid or macgregor or mighty mouse or Muhammad alien or Tyson or goerge or dc or jon where is he skills wise cuz im telling you he not beating nobody i just mention in a hand to hand no powers
Though I agree, I'll happily settle for this. If I could be a decisionmaker at DC, I would order a Superman reboot and make something like this in-continuity instead.
I agree but also say he might know of them or stepped into them especially during powerless state and I will say he probably is a lvl 2 or 3 black belt in martial art but that’s not super super high like Bruce raz or people like them so him fully learning any style is truly terrifying for even Batman
It's not the same. The way it was before wasn't so dedicated. This is straight to the point and shows the pressure he was under, while the others were handwaves. Training arcs like this are better suited for immersing more readers because of the humanization. It's relatable. The way he became skillful before didn't break him down like this and show us such vulnerability. Simply being the most powerful and having Jackie Chan hands because he did some mild training cheats the reader, and it's a failure of the writer(s). This says, "I'm HIM because I *EARNED* it. When I had nothing left to give, I kept going. I sweated for this. I bled for this. My mind was pushed to its limit for this. I was humiliated for this. I *begged* for this. Now I have it; it's mine. I *took* it. And you can too."
In master race series superman broke 7-8 Kryptonians with single hits in ms. Before that he told Batman what bone in each one of them he is going to break. Even Bat was like, Dammmmmm bro. Supes is a trained fighter, He just don't brag.
JAMES GUNN! DO THIS STORYLINE! Make a serious drama-movie about THIS and WATCH the money pour down into theaters around the world like a waterfall! No doubt. EVERYONE would lose their freakin' minds if THIS movie was made. Just sayin'.
The downside of training at a lower level is that reactions are off. If limited to 10% power your balance would be off, speed, timing, even how you form a fist becomes different. Supes needs a teacher/sparring partner that can match him. Supergirl, Power Girl, Hercules, etc. With Batman or Nightwing coaching.
Superman has so much history and lore people just plain forget or ignore his abilities for the sake of storytelling. His hand to hand training has come from Batman, Wonder Woman, Mongul, Muhammad Ali, etc... He once learned a Kryptonian martial art that gave him the ability to fight beings with mind powers with his own mind like a zen combat mind state.
@@kingsman8475 That's why we had Superman rip his S-shield off his chest and use it for a weapon when he fought Zod and cronies in the Fortress in the 2nd movie. 🙄
He learned boxing from Wildcat, fighting skills from Mongul, martial arts from Wonder Woman, and pressure points from Batman. He eventually realized that just punching things wasn't going to work forever.
Actually, as a reader of Superman Comics since the 70s, you will find that he really IS a good fighter. He's nowhere NEAR Batman fighting skill (name them), but he can go toe-to-toe with some of the better fighters in the DC Universe. FACTS!
Even Batman himself isn't exactly the "greatest" nor "best" fighter in the DC Universe either, he's been whooped/beaten quite a number of times before.
If I recall correctly, in Justice League TAS there was episode were Batman and Supes sparred in a training chamber with artificial red sun light, bringing Supes to human level. And IIRC Supes did well against Bats, but Bats had the edge over him.
He was the original NightWing in pre crisis continuity and was a trained Gladiator when he fought the original Mongol(weakened time away from yellow sun ) he of course never seemed to use these skills again😂
Pretty much everything is based on strength. Balance is no more than using your muscle strength to find an equilibrium. Agility is just using your strength efficiently. Fighting techniques are like 99.9% using your strength to attack the lack of strength in an opponent's body. There's no real way to take strength out of the equation, simply because if you don't have it, you're not going to win. Unless you fight like batman where all bets are off and it's basically just a street fight with whatever weapons will get the job done. Though you might die of Kryptonite poisoning at an early age, so you better have comic book immortality on your side.
@@CodeguruX Except that even Batman himself isn't an exception to that rule though regardless of however he chooses (or is written for that matter) to fight.
Why wouldn't he? Humans get stronger when they train. Sure we have some pretty hardcoded biological limits, but its not an unknown aspect. Supes has a flesh and blood body. Actively training would help him out just as it would anyone else. The only thing he doesn't have is the Saiyan almost/die get stronger hack. Technically Goku wouldn't need to train. Just get beat up/die and recover on repeat and get stronger every time.
believe it or not, superman is actually a super skilled fighter, even more so than batman. the reason it doesn't look that way is because superman always hold back. there is a comic where superman stops holding back his skill, and he becomes basically unstoppable.
Great story ! Superman does need to learn how to crush his enemies with out even a thought. The future Superman seems to be going into a true High God like character.
What if? Superman always trained, his actually a very good fighter, he was trained by likes of Bruce , WW and others, his an expert fighter, I never understood why writers always down play him, from his fighting experience to him using his powers
Yowza. Love every bit of this. Feels like he could go up to Darkseid after this and ask for the occasional fight just to keep his new edge. Darkseid would, of course, immediately recognize the changes in his fighting style and their source. Then he would smile slowly, crack his knuckles, and really enjoy the ensuing brawl.
Actually the period between Smallville and metropolis was supposed to be more than a decade in the fortress of solitude. During that time he was taking a crash course in all kryptonion martial arts, science and other subjects from his world and he mastered all subjects before he left for the city.
he doesn't need to indeed but just imagine him with batman's fighting skills and his mindset on detail , probably could've one shot a lot of characters
What would be interesting, is if Batman or someone with intellect uses their knowledge to make superman a device that helps supresses his powers to a certain degree, but in doing so also reduces his vulnerability to kyptonite. And then they can train and teach him better moves to tactically end fights before it causes destruction. Even Magical artifacts could work maybe? This gives Superman the ability to suppress himself to hone in on his control, while also letting him unleash his full power if needed in dire moments. Because in a way, Superman never needs to rely on tools, thus never needed knowledge to back his fighting prowess.
As the name of the trainer "Ahuiasca" or whatever that dude I think he used the dragon balls to go here and superman after so many loses from goku... he finally learned KAIOken ...
Superman knows martial arts and he also knows pressure point combat and trained by batman, wonder woman and also fought demons for a thousand years with Thor in asgard
We all know that Superman is actually a skilled, trained fighter throughout his lore, But I like to see that this comic could be more about the moment when Superman decides to make that decision to train and become one. People have to remember that DC Comics always has retcons many times due to crisis events. Some stories are also stand alone else world comics as well. Many times, these bring forth a retelling of a character, his strengths, weaknesses, so on and so forth (All-Superman For example). A comic like this one is not about the writer forgetting what was written in the past but more about the moral represented in the story. Not that Superman becomes a op fighter, but more about breaking down why he needs to be.
Superman is a skilled fighter Batman,WW both trained him and bats was shocked at how good he was DC is just too stupid to remember their own characters abilities just like they forget how smart Kal is
A few things: 1. Superman's greatest power is his humanity. The fact that he came to Earth with godlike abilities & yet chose to be its savior rather than its ruler speaks volumes of his character. 2. This story leads me to believe that Supes VS. Goku wouldn't be as one-sided as Death Battle would have us believe. 3. I still like Batman better.
Imagine if Superman does a very basic but intense daily routine: 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10 kilometer run. Trained by some Pervy old man with a Turtle shell at his back. Grew up together with a Space monki that becomes stronger against strong enemies and some hobbitsize Voldemort Earthling.
Superman trains. I’m pretty sure the JLA had a training facility exposing him to Kryptonite to bring him to human levels and he trains with Wild Cat while in that state… It’s been a while since I picked up a book but I’m pretty sure it was touched on in early 2000’s issues
He does and did train. He learned secret kryptonian martial arts to help protect his mind from conpulsion and more. I don't remember exactly his training. But he got invulnerability to all his weaknesses at one point.
I seem to recall that Superman received training in the krytonian martial arts in the bottled city of Kandor when he used to visit it regularly in the comics of years past… 🤔
i love this ... honestly , if i had powers like superman , the first thing i'd learn is all the martial arts i can master , along the way there will be a lot of meditating , more connection to myself and my power , but i'm not sure how will i be , will martial arts training help control the rage i sometimes feel ? i know the stories of martial arts helping with such things , giving you self control and all that but what if it was combined with such powers like superman's ? it's an interesting thought
Superman has trained using historical records of Kryptonian martial arts, both physical and mental. He’s been trained in hand-to-hand combat by both Batman and Mongul Junior. The problem isn’t that Superman hasn’t trained, it’s that every new writer that comes along just willfully ignores continuity and resets his fighting skills back to zero so that they can be the “first” to write Superman learning how to fight again.
I’ve said for a long time that Superman’s greatest weakness is not Kryptonite or magic. It is self restraint. He always wears the kids’ gloves. And the few times he does take them off, it’s very late, and the damage caused is severe, or someone is already needlessly dead. If he utilized his power suite fully from the beginning, he would be able to end almost all fights immediately.
Superman knows two types of Kryptonion martial arts, he also trained with Wonder Woman, and for over 1000 years he was on Asgard fighting, so tell me again how he doesn't train?
There is no argument for not training, Superman does train and is an expert in fighting, his a very skilled fighter, he can hold his own against the best just fine, but for some reasons the modern writers always ignore this part of superman
Looks like an actual homage to Dragon Ball. The page where Wioska fired an energy blast at the houses screams Magin Vegeta firing his energy blast at the stadium when he tried to coax Goku to go full power.
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Superman is a skilled fighter
I would love to see this in a animated series or movie.
He was. The Graphic novel is called Justice League "Injustice". Also, as for Superman almost killing Batman while he had his powers mine you, without them, Batman would trash Superman. This statement is coming from a MARVEL FAN!!!!! Nuff Said.
@@sailor75565 wat?
@@savontelewis951 No he really isn't.
Superman: [wants to learn legit fighting techniques]
Also Superman: [flies to another planet to learn martial arts]
Batman & Wonder Woman: "Dude, are we a fucking joke to you?!?!"
I think it’s bc he needs to be able to go all out and he will just evaporate them if he does.
@@drpygmr2416 Batman com certeza o faria um jeito de tirar os super poderes dele, mas não a ponto de ficar muito fraco fazendo ele humano, assim sendo habito a aprender artes marciais. Não esqueça é o BATMAN.
All of earth's martial arts take gravity into account. My headcanon is that for a dude who can fly, they don't really help much.
@@centralunit100 thank you. Somebody gets how flying brings a whole different dimension to martial arts that most humans won't account for.
That's exactly what they are to him .
W. Now *THAT'S* a good Superman story. *THAT'S* how Clark should be written. I'm onboard for this Superman. Let him struggle. Press him. Humanize him. Bring out the best in a character.
In other words, nerf him. That’s practically all writers do with him, besides making him evil. It’s weird how Supes is arguably the only character who always gets hit with this type of comment though. Meanwhile, Batman has never found something he can’t afford yet barely works a day job, he can sleep with any woman in the DCU he’s not related to, he defeats almost every enemy he encounters incl actual gods, he can hack alien supercomputers with ease, it’s nearly impossible to possess or mind-control him, and people call that “relatable”. 😒
@mizkomunikation9478 I didn't even mention Batman. Also, Batman struggles. His wealth and playboy status are realistic standards for young billionaires, his training was brutal, let's not forget what happened to Jason, and then there's what Bane did to him, time displacement, The Court Of Owls, etc. His life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. His body is full of wounds. He earned his keep.
Superman having to live without his power as he learns how to properly fight isn't a nerf. It's a trial and a good training arc. If he can always just do everything if he puts his mind to it, there's no real value in it; it's cheap. He's disconnected from the characters around him. When Lex got to see the world through Superman's eyes it really meant something because Lex has been metaphysically powerless for most of his existence. That was valuable. Stories aren't all about power creep and shouldn't be. Hell, Goku can pop a universe like a balloon and even he had to earn it. Saitama can rip through planets and he had to earn it too. The Sentry can do *anything* at will and he had to earn it, and every day is a trial in which he earns it because he's *VERY* mentally ill. All of these ultimate hero characters have been humanized. Why not Supes?
That's what I'm saying. Being unstoppable and having no genuine challenges that match that power is hollow. Good storytelling hits all the major plot points exceptionally well. Typical Superman stories don't. The reason why Injustice was so good was because it was something that Superman couldn't just punch his way through. He was passionate, calculating, vicious, and vulnerable. He was human.
Humanise him. He’s not human 😂
@@samgeurdi6351 Jesus Christ 🙄 Clark was *raised human* and *looks* human. Those are *humanizing characteristics.* Gods aren't human either, and we *humanize them* in *real* life.
@@JimmyCrackorn If we're going to talk about "Suffering" and "Earning" stuff, then Superman had it WAY worse. What you call "typical" Superman stories, what are those exactly? Because most of his stories are about Superman struggling in ways that all the characters your mentioned can't and won't.
The issue is that you don't read Superman comics, so you only see him show off when other heroes needed him. But in his stories you see Superman being quite different than what pop culture believes him to be. He's not always smiling, he's not a Spiderman with a Cape, he's not Mr. Perfection, and he's by no means a silly boy scout.
Most of his comics are about a guy burdened by fear, by desperation even, or feeling that he doesn't belong to the planet, struggling with difficult decisions about when to interfere, and when to stay back. Frustrated because half the planet considers him a God, and the other half considers him a monster they should be afraid of. Constantly being hunted to steal his power and study him like a monkey. He's also afraid of his own power, so he keeps bashing his head to control his power to the point that he has these weird mental barriers that will not allow him to use his max potential like Supergirl does.
Earning powers? Heat vision alone is evidence enough of how much he has trained to achieve the level of power he uses, because no other kryptonian has shown half the skills and tools he can use with heat vision alone. Supergirl is not as experienced as Superman using heat vision because of her lack of training. Also, she barely learned how to use her superspeed to phase through energy and objects, like Superman does, because he did train those things to achieve that level of power. Same can be said about his super senses, all of them he had to struggle to learn how to control them and not end up being a crazy delulu.
He has also trained a bunch of martial arts and sought training with tons of people, exactly like Batman did. And each of these trainings helped to grow his powers. As matter of fact, lorewise, Superman has had way more masters and training than Goku. With Whiz, Goku had 7 schools or masters.
Superman had 11 that I can recall right now:
- Wonder Woman
- Batman
- Mongul II
- Wildcat
- Darkseid
- Can't remember who taught him two different kryptonian martial arts. Torquasm Rao and Torquasm Vo.
- Wioska
- Muhamed Ali
- His own father, Pa Kent, happened to know how to fight and trained him when he was young.
- Was also trained by the Kryptonian Army
- Flash also helped him trained his speed and use of it.
And to make things worse, because he's noble, he does struggle a lot even financially because he doesn't use his powers to cheat.
And if you want to talk about all the tragedies:
- Superman had two adoptive sons, both killed.
- Superman was once send to an alternate reality where he had wife, son, life was perfect, and suddenly they took all of those things away. He saw his boy grow, and become an adult, and him, turning into a grandpa, just to realize everything was fake, and they took all of that away.
- Mxy alone has managed to torture his mind not less than a dozen of times.
- Was tortured and brainwashed by Darkseid.
- Was trapped in a dimension for many years until he got free from it, trying to fix his brain.
- Doomsday not only killed him, but broke his body leaving him without powers and also hurt his mind to the point he had to leave Earth for a year to heal himself.
And many more situations, like every superhero, because no superhero has had it easy, not even Superman being the strongest of them.
You just don't know the character pretty well, but he seems pretty human to me, as matter of fact, the most human of them all, because Batman is not a relatable character, I don't feel depressed, I don't feel paranoid, and I don't think I need to use intimidation to deal with people, nor I see okay his way of life or thinking. Superman, on the other hand, is the most normal guy who you can relate with, with struggles we all can relate in some circumstances.
Superman has trained, under the likes of Batman, Wildcat, Mongul, Wonder Woman, and even from Kryptonian databases regarding Kryptonian martial arts.
"Superman has many times been depicted as being a very capable fighter with or without his abilities. Examples include his learning boxing from Wildcat, his learning the fighting arts from Mongul, his learning additional martial arts from Wonder Woman, as well as his learning pressure point fighting from Batman."
True but the writers either are somewhat oblivious or more likely know but choose to ignore these facts. They realize that Superman is already hard to write for and if he could let’s say consistently fight like Goku and tap into that fighting instinct he be unstoppable.
And he mastered all kryptonian martial arts from the solitude computer right after high school, but writers ignore that one too.
@@TimbreWolfe Good point, no one on Earth would even know how to counter it as it's stylistically literally alien to them.
@@connordutton674 That's a big issue with Superman, he's so powerful he typically doesn't even need to utilize advanced fighting techniques and even if he does, Earthly martial arts are designed to defeat humans and he doesn't really need much help doing that. I don't think things like even Batman's expertise in pressure point striking always works on aliens with distinctly different physiology
It was different story lines and different writers.m
Now the DC writer need to incorporate THIS Superman into their storyline!!!
Absolutely, since they are always upgrading Batman and Wonder Woman.
Nahhh
@marzero116 Yes!!!
They already did... this was part of the main continuity. 🤷🏾♂️ Superman has trained plenty of times in the comics.
@jasonlendrose Everyone has trained him from Batman to Mongul ll. Except not like this.
He already has Torquasm-Vo but the writers realize he is too op with actual top tier skill so nerf him every run.
DC treats such facts as if readers had amnesia no wonder that interest in comics is constantly decreasing
Yeah, they should. Supes is so strong, it's hard to write him. How do they include the rest of DC when Supers can defeat Darksaid and Apokalips by himself?
If you put him in an mma or boxing match without hes powers does he beat Khalid or macgregor or mighty mouse or Muhammad alien or Tyson or goerge or dc or jon where is he skills wise cuz im telling you he not beating nobody i just mention in a hand to hand no powers
You want to copy and paste this again? Stop talking nonsense.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 answer the question
WHEN SUPERMAN DECIDES TO BECOME SERIOUS
Cool, but would've been better if Batman trained him under red sun light.
No wild cat they both brawlers
Though I agree, I'll happily settle for this. If I could be a decisionmaker at DC, I would order a Superman reboot and make something like this in-continuity instead.
Right it's so obvious.
@@JimmyCrackornhe already been trained under batman and mongul
Batman and Wonder Woman should have trained him.
Superman does train it's just not that often he get's to put those combat skills to use but TRUST ME Superman is a formidable combatant
Superman spent 1000 years fighting without his powers alongside Wonder Woman and DC's Thor and lived to tell about it.
Exactly and I’m pretty sure he knows a few fighting styles he’s learnt from other heroes.
Nuff said
I agree but also say he might know of them or stepped into them especially during powerless state and I will say he probably is a lvl 2 or 3 black belt in martial art but that’s not super super high like Bruce raz or people like them so him fully learning any style is truly terrifying for even Batman
It's not the same. The way it was before wasn't so dedicated. This is straight to the point and shows the pressure he was under, while the others were handwaves. Training arcs like this are better suited for immersing more readers because of the humanization. It's relatable. The way he became skillful before didn't break him down like this and show us such vulnerability. Simply being the most powerful and having Jackie Chan hands because he did some mild training cheats the reader, and it's a failure of the writer(s). This says, "I'm HIM because I *EARNED* it. When I had nothing left to give, I kept going. I sweated for this. I bled for this. My mind was pushed to its limit for this. I was humiliated for this. I *begged* for this. Now I have it; it's mine. I *took* it. And you can too."
'EYE OF THE TIGER' - SUPERMAN
Superman: if only I knew how to fight seriously!
Goku: then train with me Superman
He always goes easy on everyone afraid to hurt people with his true power.
"I live in a world made of glass". superman
@@JimGiraldo-f6pcardboard*
Not all the time. There were times he was completely evil and still got his ass beat
Thank you for this story! It made me cry... We so need a Superman now more than ever! I needed to hear a story just like this.
Theoretically he could use all of Goku’s techniques, however, he’s just a chill guy that fights gods sometimes and loves to chill with his family.
No. It's the other way around. And let's not even start with God Fusion Goku (fused with the audience) who >>> all iterations of Superman.
@@charzanboo9940 Superman fought the KKK in real life >>> God fusion goku.
@@charzanboo9940get that metafictional fodder past xenoverse 1 goku first
@mynameisntimportant1374 What? God Fusion Goku isn't xenoverse he's a separate, licensed DB character. Get your lore straight 💀
@@charzanboo9940 nice way to strawman my words and miss the point
In master race series superman broke 7-8 Kryptonians with single hits in ms. Before that he told Batman what bone in each one of them he is going to break. Even Bat was like, Dammmmmm bro. Supes is a trained fighter, He just don't brag.
He can see through you to see which bones to break he don’t train
JAMES GUNN! DO THIS STORYLINE! Make a serious drama-movie about THIS and WATCH the money pour down into theaters around the world like a waterfall! No doubt. EVERYONE would lose their freakin' minds if THIS movie was made. Just sayin'.
He won't make that unfortunately, bcoz he's too busy adding cringe humor in his movies.
Right! That last line is why Superman is so important as a character.
The downside of training at a lower level is that reactions are off. If limited to 10% power your balance would be off, speed, timing, even how you form a fist becomes different. Supes needs a teacher/sparring partner that can match him. Supergirl, Power Girl, Hercules, etc. With Batman or Nightwing coaching.
Superman has so much history and lore people just plain forget or ignore his abilities for the sake of storytelling. His hand to hand training has come from Batman, Wonder Woman, Mongul, Muhammad Ali, etc... He once learned a Kryptonian martial art that gave him the ability to fight beings with mind powers with his own mind like a zen combat mind state.
The dude knows all types of fighting styles, lol.
How is he not skilled since he learned Kryptonian martial arts?
Do the writters know that?
@jackson3475 They are the ones who wrote it. It's DC canon.
Unfortunately, modern writers ignore everything from the past except the basics.
@jimgilbert9984 That is why modern writers for Superman movies have been deficient and incompetent.
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That's why we had Superman rip his S-shield off his chest and use it for a weapon when he fought Zod and cronies in the Fortress in the 2nd movie.
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He learned boxing from Wildcat, fighting skills from Mongul, martial arts from Wonder Woman, and pressure points from Batman. He eventually realized that just punching things wasn't going to work forever.
Actually, as a reader of Superman Comics since the 70s, you will find that he really IS a good fighter. He's nowhere NEAR Batman fighting skill (name them), but he can go toe-to-toe with some of the better fighters in the DC Universe. FACTS!
Reading recommendations, please. I'd like to know more.
Even Batman himself isn't exactly the "greatest" nor "best" fighter in the DC Universe either, he's been whooped/beaten quite a number of times before.
@@alsimmons4504yeah but tbf his focus has been split by like 8 dozen different skill sets
@@grease_8387 Even so, that still doesn't negate the fact that he's still been beaten by far more superior fighters before.
If I recall correctly, in Justice League TAS there was episode were Batman and Supes sparred in a training chamber with artificial red sun light, bringing Supes to human level. And IIRC Supes did well against Bats, but Bats had the edge over him.
If he trains, he'd be ending fights too easily
When superman says "I don't wanna be like goku anymore. I wanna be like frieza"
i always thought he should train in the shrunkin city of Kandor. He would be just " human" then work up the actual skills not based on his strenght.
That’s actually…genius. Take Bruce with him, and get some serious sparring against him in.
He was the original NightWing in pre crisis continuity and was a trained Gladiator when he fought the original Mongol(weakened time away from yellow sun ) he of course never seemed to use these skills again😂
@@ZenSponge Nope, leave Bruce behind somewhere
Pretty much everything is based on strength. Balance is no more than using your muscle strength to find an equilibrium. Agility is just using your strength efficiently. Fighting techniques are like 99.9% using your strength to attack the lack of strength in an opponent's body. There's no real way to take strength out of the equation, simply because if you don't have it, you're not going to win. Unless you fight like batman where all bets are off and it's basically just a street fight with whatever weapons will get the job done. Though you might die of Kryptonite poisoning at an early age, so you better have comic book immortality on your side.
@@CodeguruX Except that even Batman himself isn't an exception to that rule though regardless of however he chooses (or is written for that matter) to fight.
Superman always been holding back even after this comic issue
he can get STRONGER with Training? Man the next Superman Vs Goku is gonna be a blood bath
Why wouldn't he? Humans get stronger when they train. Sure we have some pretty hardcoded biological limits, but its not an unknown aspect. Supes has a flesh and blood body. Actively training would help him out just as it would anyone else. The only thing he doesn't have is the Saiyan almost/die get stronger hack. Technically Goku wouldn't need to train. Just get beat up/die and recover on repeat and get stronger every time.
And the irony that his best friend is THE most skilled fighter on the planet is hilarious.
This was fun to watch
Superman HAS trained with numerous entities ranging from Mongul to Batman and Wonder Woman and even Wildcat and Muhammed Ali.
believe it or not, superman is actually a super skilled fighter, even more so than batman. the reason it doesn't look that way is because superman always hold back. there is a comic where superman stops holding back his skill, and he becomes basically unstoppable.
Id like to see this old man meeting Batman - he definitely should be impressed
He was trained by Batman, Wonder Woman, and he was trained in Klukor (Kryptonian KungFu) by A.I. Joel. Trust that he can fight.
And in Torquasm Vo and Torquasm Rao
This is very well done. Thank you.
Great story ! Superman does need to learn how to crush his enemies with out even a thought. The future Superman seems to be going into a true High God like character.
Imagine if Whis from DBS trained Superman along with Goku and Vegeta on Beerus's planet. How would Supes match up against Angel Whis or even Beerus.
He’d surpass them.
Super would be the perfect sparring partner for goku and vegeta
I always felt Jiren was combination of Superman and Bruce Wayne tho. So yea.. Superman would be a Jiren really.
Superman is a skilled fighter having learnt from the likes of WW, Batman, WildCat and even the said Wioska.
Ah yes, that’s time Clark was trained by space Genkai.
Superman can literally bench press whole planets.
Imagine Superman balancing himself : he’s gonna be too op to be stopped because he’ll be ending fights before they even starts
Superman did learn to fight because when he lost his powers and was trained by bruce and others in the JLA
What if? Superman always trained, his actually a very good fighter, he was trained by likes of Bruce , WW and others, his an expert fighter, I never understood why writers always down play him, from his fighting experience to him using his powers
03:45 da hell is Rocksteady doing in that planet? 😮
Man if somehow Superman was able to use kaioken, we're Even more doomed or protected 😅
Superman has indeed trained, with both Baan & Wonder Woman.
Yowza. Love every bit of this.
Feels like he could go up to Darkseid after this and ask for the occasional fight just to keep his new edge. Darkseid would, of course, immediately recognize the changes in his fighting style and their source. Then he would smile slowly, crack his knuckles, and really enjoy the ensuing brawl.
need more of this!!!!
Actually the period between Smallville and metropolis was supposed to be more than a decade in the fortress of solitude. During that time he was taking a crash course in all kryptonion martial arts, science and other subjects from his world and he mastered all subjects before he left for the city.
he doesn't need to indeed but just imagine him with batman's fighting skills and his mindset on detail , probably could've one shot a lot of characters
What would be interesting, is if Batman or someone with intellect uses their knowledge to make superman a device that helps supresses his powers to a certain degree, but in doing so also reduces his vulnerability to kyptonite.
And then they can train and teach him better moves to tactically end fights before it causes destruction.
Even Magical artifacts could work maybe?
This gives Superman the ability to suppress himself to hone in on his control, while also letting him unleash his full power if needed in dire moments.
Because in a way, Superman never needs to rely on tools, thus never needed knowledge to back his fighting prowess.
Oh my goodness he does not need the train he's already overpowered😂😂😂
He'd need his own pocket dimension to train in 😭
He does train. All the time. He's extremely bright, he practices several Kryptonian Martial Arts, and a good number Batman has taught him from Earth.
Great video
Imagine he trained to be a sayain and a voltromite 🗿
That Red energy Superman uses was not his own, but what Wioska was using to affect his powers though.
Superman's heart is made of gold. 🦸🏻
He actually is a master in all Kryptonian forms of Martial Arts.
I'd like to see this superman fight Darkseid or doomsday or even abomination.
As the name of the trainer "Ahuiasca" or whatever that dude I think he used the dragon balls to go here and superman after so many loses from goku... he finally learned KAIOken ...
Superman knows martial arts and he also knows pressure point combat and trained by batman, wonder woman and also fought demons for a thousand years with Thor in asgard
We all know that Superman is actually a skilled, trained fighter throughout his lore, But I like to see that this comic could be more about the moment when Superman decides to make that decision to train and become one. People have to remember that DC Comics always has retcons many times due to crisis events. Some stories are also stand alone else world comics as well. Many times, these bring forth a retelling of a character, his strengths, weaknesses, so on and so forth (All-Superman For example). A comic like this one is not about the writer forgetting what was written in the past but more about the moral represented in the story. Not that Superman becomes a op fighter, but more about breaking down why he needs to be.
Superman is a skilled fighter Batman,WW both trained him and bats was shocked at how good he was DC is just too stupid to remember their own characters abilities just like they forget how smart Kal is
So like how Toriyama forgot about Launch
@ yep and that saiyans have tails but the remembered but couldn’t be bothered to draw them anymore
A few things:
1. Superman's greatest power is his humanity. The fact that he came to Earth with godlike abilities & yet chose to be its savior rather than its ruler speaks volumes of his character.
2. This story leads me to believe that Supes VS. Goku wouldn't be as one-sided as Death Battle would have us believe.
3. I still like Batman better.
This is such an excellent superman story
This joint sounds dope af
At least he wasn't "too old for the training".
Imagine if Superman does a very basic but intense daily routine: 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups, 100 squats, and a 10 kilometer run.
Trained by some Pervy old man with a Turtle shell at his back.
Grew up together with a Space monki that becomes stronger against strong enemies and some hobbitsize Voldemort Earthling.
Now, just imagine if he learned to use magic as well. He would have no power weakness.
Superman trains. I’m pretty sure the JLA had a training facility exposing him to Kryptonite to bring him to human levels and he trains with Wild Cat while in that state… It’s been a while since I picked up a book but I’m pretty sure it was touched on in early 2000’s issues
If Clark trained like Bruce, Krytonite would not work on him.
That's not how that works?
Freeza trained for 10 years and achieved the back form that is stronger than ul and ue
Great video. I can picture this.
He does and did train. He learned secret kryptonian martial arts to help protect his mind from conpulsion and more. I don't remember exactly his training. But he got invulnerability to all his weaknesses at one point.
If Superman had half the fighting skill of Batman he would be unstoppable in a fight.
I seem to recall that Superman received training in the krytonian martial arts in the bottled city of Kandor when he used to visit it regularly in the comics of years past… 🤔
yep, super op martials arts that the writers ''forgets'' that he knows because bro becomes too op
Salutations! Does anyone have the name and # of this comic book?
Nah What if Superman knew Kung Fu or Mixed Martial Arts…..you basically have General Zod😅😂💯
i love this ... honestly , if i had powers like superman , the first thing i'd learn is all the martial arts i can master , along the way there will be a lot of meditating , more connection to myself and my power , but i'm not sure how will i be , will martial arts training help control the rage i sometimes feel ? i know the stories of martial arts helping with such things , giving you self control and all that but what if it was combined with such powers like superman's ? it's an interesting thought
HE ALWAYS TRAINS
Superman has trained using historical records of Kryptonian martial arts, both physical and mental. He’s been trained in hand-to-hand combat by both Batman and Mongul Junior. The problem isn’t that Superman hasn’t trained, it’s that every new writer that comes along just willfully ignores continuity and resets his fighting skills back to zero so that they can be the “first” to write Superman learning how to fight again.
Superman is boundless but if he took on martial arts, know one will stop him.
For a moment I thought Wioska will take Clark to a bar and tell him to dance.
I’ve said for a long time that Superman’s greatest weakness is not Kryptonite or magic. It is self restraint. He always wears the kids’ gloves. And the few times he does take them off, it’s very late, and the damage caused is severe, or someone is already needlessly dead. If he utilized his power suite fully from the beginning, he would be able to end almost all fights immediately.
Imagine Superman training with Frieza for awhile.
Little blue dude is straight out of DBZ
Superman knows two types of Kryptonion martial arts, he also trained with Wonder Woman, and for over 1000 years he was on Asgard fighting, so tell me again how he doesn't train?
He took on Batman who, was possessed by eninty made out of kryptonite
Using the kryptonian fighting style
He could have just had Batman do some training, probably use some red kryptonite to suppress his abilities.
I actually think that the argument for not training is so bad since he has to constantly fight people on the level.or above on a regular basis.
There is no argument for not training, Superman does train and is an expert in fighting, his a very skilled fighter, he can hold his own against the best just fine, but for some reasons the modern writers always ignore this part of superman
Looks like an actual homage to Dragon Ball. The page where Wioska fired an energy blast at the houses screams Magin Vegeta firing his energy blast at the stadium when he tried to coax Goku to go full power.
I thought it would be training in Martial arts. Not, "Don't hold back and embrace your true strength"
So...is he a better fighter or what?
I love love Superman but this is the reason I put thor ahead of him.
Thor is battle born.
I’ve always wondered why Superman doesn’t train with Batman or Wild Cat in a room of Red Sun radiation
wisoka: i bind your powers , put you weighted intense training and now I end your friends
clark: now i show you the fist of khan
goku: 😊
0:09 he's very skilled. He trains with Batman and Wonder Woman. He just doesn't need to use said skill when he can just punch things really hard.
Superman is easily the worst written character of all time. They need to keep this version because I’m behind sick of Superman’s bs
Name issues and year?
Reminds of how Goku grabbed Frieza to save his son after turning Super Saiyan
Bruce taught Clark how to Melee fight.. everyone knows this....