What I Wish I Knew Before Ordering My 992 Carrera T: These Are My 3 Biggest Lessons Learned.
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- Since selling the car after only 3,000 miles, I've realized I would have done some things differently when ordering my Carrera T. Looking back, here's what I've decided I wouldn't do again...along with the options that I would defintely include.
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So many lessons one can learn from this story. Major props to the presenter for being upfront, gotta respect that!
Minimalist here. I order my P-cars with no sunroof, four-way sport seats, stock exhaust (replaced with/performance cat-back), and Bose stereo. Nothing else needed/required, except maybe the aero kit. Great informative/interesting/candid video mate. YMMV.
Same, 4-way sport plus seats if not sport buckets (depending on intentions), CarGraphic catback, and Bose. I would add some exterior touches to polish up the look (body colored pieces) if not stupid money.
@@gbarton800I upgraded the Bose tweeters and it’s a serious upgrade in overall clarity at volume. I used Dayton Audio ND20FB-4, which I just checked are currently on sale for $12 each lol. They’re so little $ and so much better than Bose speakers it’s crazy. Look them up on the forums and you’ll see the connectors and stuff needed to install.
A very reflective and honest video. The shark blue is beautiful, but Porsche enthusiasts have traditionally been more into the driving than the "look at me" factor. If you have a 911, it's already a handsome and prestigious car. No need to shout. Also, on the bucket seats, I totally agree. My 964 and 993 came with the "comfort" seats and unless you're planning some serious track time you don't need deep buckets. They wear badly and make everyday use a hassle. Many options are just garnish, and somehow the 911 Carrera RS 2.7 owners get by without a leather dash.
964 and 993 are the peak Porsches in many ways. Sure they're not fast cars by modern standards but they still look and feel like real Porsches. Actually 996 (although not built at the same quality level) still feels very compact and mechanical compared to the new ones. Ironically the new ones became too good. LOL.
Agree 100%, I chose GT Silver on my 992 C2S because it was not flashy. The shape of the car is bold enough. Also stayed away from the red leather and chose black leather with Bordeaux stitching and seat belts. I understand younger guys preferring the flashy look but at 56 I felt classy was better than flashy.
@@101ktm Silver and Agate gray are really popular for that reason The red interiors are a real turn off.
99.9999% of people looking at Will’s car: “Sweet ride, man!”
Will looking at his car: “The rear license plate holder makes my car look cheap! Time to sell!”😂😂😂
I know you’re probably kidding but in all seriousness I can relate with expensive (to me) purchases. Our expectations are high and compromises just don’t sit well; they lead to disappointment that’s hard to shake. I’ve sold multiple cars that would be great to most people but were too expensive to accept the compromises. Good for you Will to tell this story for the benefit of others. Cheers!
I was completely committed to getting a 992 Carrera T for the last 6 months. When it came time to make the decision a couple weeks ago, I sat in one at the dealership for 30 minutes. It just didn’t feel right. It was so big and so unbelievably posh/refined in the cabin. I know it’s an incredibly capable, livable sports car but it felt like such a departure from the 996 Turbo I was trading in. It’s almost like they have made it too perfect and a car that caters to such a broad audience. And in doing that, it lost some of the rawness and purity I loved about my 996 and Carrera 3.2.
I then sat in a Cayman GTS 4.0 they had in the showroom. It immediately felt right. The size, the simplicity of the cabin. It honestly felt about the same size as my 996, just without the rear seats. The dealer was somehow able to give me an allocation and I just locked in my build spec in chalk + 6 speed manual for an August delivery.
As a die hard 911 person I never thought I would find myself lusting for a Cayman, but it just felt better and purer to me. Hopefully I made the right call!
Great decision!
Was in a similar position, traded in my 6spd Supra, and was really thinking I wanted a 911 and was set on a T, but after comparing it to a GTS 4.0, I was able to get a car which I think I will enjoy more, and option a lot higher, while still being cheaper than the T. My BGTS 4.0 arrives in 51 days, and went into production last week!
@@phillipberk5767 wow that’s so funny you and I were on the same journey and made the same pivot! Sounds like we are both quite fortunate to have secured allocations…Porsche Manhattan said there were only 10 allocations in the country as of 3 weeks ago. And it sounds like Porsche may be dropping the 4 liter very soon.
What color/spec did you go with? I’m chalk, platinum satin wheels, black leather, 6 speed, LED headlights and a few other bits.
@@Bavariaria yes quite lucky indeed- a friend introduced me to a sales guy at porsche West broward who gave me a at Msrp allocation with 0 prior history (my first new porsche) had a 944 and currently have a 996 C2 Cab, and placed the order. I went with gentian blue with silver wheels, 18 ways in chalk with black inserts, PDLS+, 6spd, Bose, lots of extra leather a fairly well specced car, brought me to right around 115, compared to close to 150 in the spec I wanted In the T. Already have mods on their way, OAP’s, valve controller, BMC filters, clear markers, etc etc. Can not wait for it to arrive.
Same experience. I’m loving my 718 Spyder way more than my 911 or DBS. More fun than anything … except a Miata
I kind of did the opposite. I went for a new 992 gts and added very little as it comes with all the things you kind of liked - sports design , sports wheel , centre locks, 475 bhp and it feels special out of the box plus it was probably just a bit cheaper than your optioned T. It’s a special car with immense road performance
I spec'd my incoming T with respect to your doubts and post-owner manderings. I think I'm going to love this car!
I appreciate your work brother. Very informative and zero sugar coating.
As I was watching this, I told myself that this guy needs a 911 S, not a T. Looks like you agree at the end there.
It is so easy to get caught up with all that extraneous stuff. You are buying a sports car not a 2seater limo. In 1980 when I drove my first 911, there were very few options.available. You got quality, not luxury and a car that embarrassed pretty much everything else on the road with its handling and engagement. People told you you paid too much and there were quirks to live with. But you knew what you had. I was able to recreate that experience with my 2024 T by resisting the options trap. I have chose very few and focus on the drive, not all the distractions.
Pretty sure you still wouldn't have kept it... Your previous spec was great.
Excellent input on your experience, Will! thank you, -Tom.
Interesting to watch your videos and the decisions you’ve made. I will say I absolutely love my 24 T. I did go for the white exterior and lizard green leather interior for some pop and have zero regrets. This is the best car I have ever driven and super happy with my purchase.
Cool and insightful take. Thanks Will.
Really enjoy your content Will. I dream most days of my first 911 and thanks to you, I think I know which one would be my go to.
Great video and storytelling, Will.
You confirmed my decision to not order the T and stick with my Lotus Emira I had on order. Thank you for making the honest video and walking us through your retrospective decisions.
good and helpful content...appreciate the candor and your views of both positives and negatives...the 991.2 is a pretty solid fall back !
Great video, thanks for the straight info.
Thanks for the video; I was back and forth on the T vs Gts. Ultimately pulled out of the T and went 4GTS, this video makes me feel better about that choice.
Thank you for the honest review. You just saved me a bunch of money.
I’m glad to hear it. I always try to make my videos helpful.
These are tough to build right for the money. Myself and 3 of my porsche friends who ordered 992 Ts had all sold ours under 5k miles for the sake of what that car is (and isn't). Thanks for shedding light on the "overly positive reviews" everyone is giving this car.
Enjoy your videos. Any opinion on front axle lift and lane change assist function? Are they worth it?
Recently started watching your channel. I ordered a 2024 911 S Guarda Red seventeen months ago. Right now, it's sitting at the Emden Germany Port waiting to get on a ship. My PCA Potomac Region Club friend has a new T. The exterior of his car like you had looks very good! However, like you I'm happy to be getting the S.
Enjoy that car! Guards Red 911 is a timeless classic. I know that last bit of the wait can be nerve wracking.
Yeah, buffeting is a deal breaker for me. Also interesting about the rea steering. Makes sense though when you think about it. Funny that no one else criticises it. Appreciate the honest review.
Great honest feedback, thanks Will. Most of the challenges you had wouldn't really become evident on a test drive. Only longer term use. We all change opinions, some just don't admit it!
Thanks. I try to be honest and transparent about the wins, losses and lessons learned.
Was just on the phone with a Porsche buddy and we were chatting about how this hobby is a long term journey and the way you enter it isn’t how you do it further down the line. All based on experience.
I understand the excitement of the new car. I too should have driven a Turbo S before buying a 2023. For me the awd crowds the leg room in the drivers space. Very uncomfortable.
Great advice. I enjoy your videos.
One thing i really appreciate is your honesty. Most people would not be to frank with their opinions in my view. In hindsight i also wondered when you bought the T why you then tried to upscale it with 18 way seats, sunroof, leather, and rear axel steering. Just an opinion.
Thanks! Glad you like the tone of the vids.
At the time I think I achieved what I wanted which was an upscale feel to the interior. I also wanted to experience RAS.
That was accomplished and the lessons learned help inform and shape my preferences in a modern 911.
I’ll publish some content on my S to get into that a bit more as it might help someone else who is working through the same decisions.
I bought a 2024 Carrera T and a 2024 Cayman GTS 4.0L. Never was able to test drive either one, but both seemed amazing based on reviews, so ended up buying both. Like yourself I’ve come to a similar conclusion, the Cayman GTS 4.0L is definitely my favourite. The engine is far superior in sound and responsiveness. The 911 is muffled in comparison and the delay of power from the turbos is irritating when you are used to a NA engine. Plus the manual transmission is far better in feel in the Cayman. I don’t think the Carrera S or GTS would solve either problem. Only the GT3 would. Now looking to upgrade to that.
I don’t want to completely knock on the T. It’s a great touring car. Very refined and with a great interior. It’s just not as raw of a sports car as I would want.
It’s honestly really funny how the Cayman GTS has a better manual while also being far cheaper than the Carrera T. All the videos I’ve seen of the T, the shifter just looks really rubbery gating and a very long throw shifter, whereas I prefer a short throw shifter with tight gating
The problem was cost cutting. The 7-speed manual is a modified PDK. Compromises were made. Although it’s still better than the new G87 M2 shifter feel.
@@jdhillon787 yeah I have not heard good things about bmw manuals
No one at my local Porsche dealer in Delaware ever got back to me after a few visits so I bought both an M4 manual and a C8 Corvette same cost as 1 Porsche . Both very different cars but I enjoy them both immensely. C8 removable roof is great and not much wind . Handles like a banshee but alas auto trans albeit a very good one .
How do you like your M4? For me that or an M3 is a better buy than a 911. Porsche prices have gone too high.
@@tobi_dg it’s quite good . Fun, fast and makes the right sounds in sport mode .
Comfortable and fast and attractive coupe.
I’ll have to drive 911 S to compare . I’m sure it’s faster but not big issue to me as not racing anyone .
Love your honesty.... and you're a big man for admitting when you've made a mistake. When you first spec'ed your T, I was like, "you spent WHAT for a T??? You should have gotten an S." So now, we eagerly await your next move to get an S...
Nice video Will, makes me appreciate the spec of my 991.2 carrera 7spd even more, and also shows that the newest and most expensive 911 is not always the best. Have you tried the rennline anti buffeting window triangles? They stick on both sides, are around 100$, and make a significant difference in buffeting when driving with windows down. A very worthwhile upgrade for our cars!
I did try them. Fairly effective but also hated that I spent $150K and needed to stick plastic triangles on the A pillars 😂
Still looks gorgeous, although I would have gone with the SportsDesign kit. Useful to hear about the RAS and glass roof buffetting, but it was worth the roof just to have the airy cabin. I never open the one on my Cayenne, but I am so glad I have it. It transforms the interior in my opinion. Great vid thanks.
I had a similar experience spec'ing my 992 Carrera that I only kept for 3k miles. I checked a lot of luxury boxes (full leather, 18 ways, Burmester deviated stitching, adaptive cruise, etc) but I found that the 911 is a loud rough sports car no matter how you luxury it up, and I ultimately preferred the more simple driver-spec of my GT4. If I spec'd a 911 again I would get the 4 ways, no extra leather, sport chrono and sport exhaust, Bose, extended fuel tank, and call it a day. But like you said, I had to experience it in order to come to that conclusion.
Haha we are on the same Porsche life path apparently!
Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
It's funny how everyone wants to individualize them and they all look the same. If you want a unique one, go for no options.
Considered trading in my GT4 for a T, but even my dealership told me I shouldn't.
I bought a 2009 Boxster Base 987.2. In not even a couple months the dealership is trying to get me to sell it to them already. I did a lot of research before buying. I have a pretty rare car in actuality. I do not see this car depreciating in value. It's the nicest daily driver I've ever driven so far, but I'm only 29...
The sun roof works when you wind the windows down. For me I always run the sun roof open with windows open so it actually is a perfect option. Plus the glass makes the cabin much more airy.
Unfortunately that didn’t work for me. There was no position other than sunroof open 1/3 and windows down 1/3 that didn’t have some level of buffeting.
My 991.2 has none at any position.
Maybe for me it is just that all the wind blowing everywhere makes me notice it less. Haha. As for the driving experience, like you I am an air cooled guy with a 993 and a 964 (owned them 30 years). The T is definitely sanitised compared to the air cooled cars. However, as far as modern 911s go it's the closest to the early car experience, and I must say I prefer the lower power of the T versus say an S as it allows me to get on the throttle and still feel I can rev it out more like one can do with the old cars. Interesting journey.
@aboutthecurves I think what’s great about your points is that we all collect these cars in slightly different ways to accomplish different goals. Congrats on owning 2 of the greats for so long…and thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Hi Will, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think it underscores why Porsche's become so personal.
Our Ruby Star Neo manual came in at $134,000.
-We love the 18 way seats because my wife can easily get in and out of them vs buckets we had in a previous car and raise the height. I drive mostly with her in the car.
-We like the glass sunroof because we have so many grey and overcast days in Seattle... eventhough we hardly open it.
-Our 2017 Riviera Blue Targa 4S manual had rear steering and I think it benefitted from it
Our T does not and being about 500lbs lighter I didn't think it needed it & without it feels more like early 911's I've owned.
-I kept the T interior and added full leather, kept stickers and T wheels so it is immediately identified as a T.
-My wife loves color so all of our cars and pretty bright. Python 718 4.0, Wimbledon Green Boxster, Peridot for our Cayman R.
I think this makes them kind of special occasion cars.
Funny enough our daily Macan is Chalk.
Lastly, not sure if you've seen Nathan's latest video comparing 991T, 992T and GT3 Touring? It was a fun day.
Looking forward to your future videos!
Gary
Hey Gary! Thank you for the thoughtful response.
I couldn’t agree with you more: we all have unique and very personal objectives for the Porsches we own. I feel like each car shapes the experience we want from the next.
How did you do when you sold it? Is there enough demand that you got your money back and can happily move on, or did you take a big hit?
This video is gold for anyone configuring a 992. A couple thoughts; I have a hunch that the bang-for-buck could have been missing on the full leather and race-tex headliner because of everything being all black. Any material in black is the most subdued you can get. If it was in slate grey, Bordeaux red, or truffle brown, I think leather/race-tex vs standard becomes a lot more noticeable. So yeah, if sticking with black, probably good advice to keep it basic. For the sunroof, if the big issue is too much exterior color and you want to break it up, keep the standard roof and then just get it black vinyl wrapped after delivery. Thanks for your honesty with all this. It’s such good information for all the people out there that are considering a 992.
Agree with the wind buffeting, we got the wind deflectors and that helped with windows down. We went the lightweight direction on our GTS. Also went with a loud color, Python Green. I think the rear steer is incredible, really increases the nimbleness of the car, but can see where it changes it to almost feel mid engined. I love my Cayman, so I appreciate and understand the move away from the traditional feel of a 911 (also have a 1983 Targa with 993 engine). Honest review, can’t ask for more than that!
Can you tell me what the experience is like with the manual? All the videos I’ve seen, the gear shifter looks very rubbery and long throws. The gear shifter on the GT3 or S/T looks far better in terms of shifting.
@Rennthusiast thank you for the helpful video! I was really struggling on T, S, GTS, but this helped guide me towards the S. I seemingly picked the fewest options (Arctic Gray, Premium Package, and 14-way seats w/memory). Seems like the best bang-for-the-buck for me, giving with some few creature comforts and a dream sports car!
Just some advice please? I am looking to buy a 991.2 for USD95k or less? I will not do track days as there are no tracks available where I am. I do enjoy a good sound system and open top motor in another car I have even at speed. I love the 991.2 to be a coupe and want to know is the sunroof a dealbreaker as well as optional sound systems. Around here we have base, Bose and an even higher option. More leather inside feels nice but is not a deal breaker. What else is important to consider aside from personal stuff like colors etc?
$95K USD will get you a PDK 991.2 Carrera S, at least in the US. I like mine bc it’s “driver’s spec” meaning it doesn’t have luxury options but it has the fun stuff - 7MT, PSE, Sunroof, Chrono, basic seats.
Don’t worry about specing it anymore. It’s no longer available for built. May be few years from now you’ll see 992.2T
He’s obviously not worrying about it. He’s moved on.
I spec’ed my former manual 992 T more to the “T ethos” with a substantially lower MSRP than your former T. While I really had little issues with most of the car other than power output as I felt it could use a bit more. Lastly I was not in love with the car as much as I thought I would be so after several months I parted ways with it.
Excellent presentation. My 911 T spec is Carmine red, 18-way seats, rear seat delete, extended range tank, and carbon fiber roof. What do you think?
Great color,get 4way seats and standard roof no sunroof
@georgetoccalino2563 Is there a maintenance issue with the carbon fiber?
Will, Nice to hear an honest answer about your experience. I think you’re correct when saying there is lots of hype and marketing around these cars especially when a new model arrives it’s always “oh you have to have this car it’s special”. When the ST came out all other GT3’s were just not as good? Very repetitive in the Porsche world. Cheers
Sorry about typo
100% agree on the rear axle steering. It made the car unpredictable close to the limit. My next 911 will have base seats as well. I had the same experience with the multiway seats. I’m also going to do the smaller wheels for a better/quieter ride, all with GT silver. It’s classic and increases the long term enjoyment of the car.
Not even the paint color survives in Will’s round-trip, T spec anecdote. This may be the one where Rennthusiast jumps the Shark (Blue).
First time hearing about the wind buffering, it doesn't matter how little or how much I spend on a car if it has this issue, can't do it. Feels like someone is squeezing your head, to me at least. Have you replaced it with someone else or you still in the planning phase of your next car? BTW, your video's are really relaxing, your tone and easy going style is much appreciated for the "no drama". Cheers!
Thanks!
I believe he bought back his old black .2S.
I wonder if getting the Spyder so close to getting this car soiled the special feeling of the T. The Spyder is an experience every time you drive it and that was lacking in the T
Agree with you on the color of your 991.2!
What about the front axel lift ?
How does 992 compare to 991.2 ? I've heard 992 drives more like a large touring car like audi R8, while 991.2 is more agile. What are your thoughts ?
I aspire to have the career you have rennthusiast. Porsche's are such beautiful machines!
I’m not sure I would change anything if I did it again, except maybe pick it up in Europe. I do have the classic wheels and they suck to clean. You have to clean the insides because it really shows up. Mine is white with the 18 ways which is nice for being able to assign an aggressive position and a relaxed position. The camera system gets used every time I park it so it’s worth having for me. I didn’t add any leather, sunroof or rear steer and don’t miss any of those options except it would be nice to smell leather instead of plastic. I took my neighbor for a ride and he mentioned it being much louder than his base and S he previously owned. I guess we will see the new 992.2 in a few days and we all can see if it’s worth buying another new one.
7k for extra leather I would want the rest of the cow for that price that is mega !
Order what you want if you intend to keep it for awhile, don’t worry about the cost. I ordered a white 2017 Carrera with the red and black leather interior, PDK and Sport Chrono. I don’t plan on selling it despite getting frequent emails from the dealer wanting me to upgrade to a 992. Good info. Thanks.
Interesting subject to explore. A lot of expensive appearance options just come down to taste an don't add much interms of other satisfactions. But the feedback on the sunroof was invaluable. And the comments on RWS were interesting and deserve further exploration since fellow TH-camr Janko Lind, who places a great deal of emphasis on performance and "feel" says he wouldn't order one without it, saying it shortens the feeling of the wheelbase. With a history of back problems I too place a lot of importance on seat, But I've found the Sports Seats + in my Boxter GTS to be just about perfect even without any lumbar adjustment.
Very informative for both the true shopper and the tire kickers. I was surprised that you opted for the rear wheel steering as it seemed to be an option that offset the little weight savings afforded by the T package without a need unless you were tracking the car. They don´t give a weight savings for the carbon fiber roof which is what I might spend the money on instead of the rear steering, but only if the weight savings would be worthwhile. Valuable insights on the interior trim as well. Most importantly, your conclusion that the car felt under-powered would be very significant for most shoppers who also have no ability to test drive a T. A person new to Porsche might not see it that way, but no one wants to feel underwhelmed after shelling out this kind of money.
I think that the punchline on this whole experience is that it was an incredible privilege to custom order a new 911, the 992 generation overall is numb and a “driver’s spec” 991.2 Carrera T is really the sweet spot for me. I’ll do a video on my S in the next week or so just discussing what I think of it now that I have the T to compare it against.
This helped a lot. I bought a 718 Boxster T with FBSeats and Burmester. With extended leather plus interior package, it was a 2023 $101k car. It is much more beautiful and better driver’s car than most things. I was considering pairing it with a Carrera T, but now you have shown that i could do it well, but i might as well go S and make it more posh. I personally would do the 911 T with CF roof and seats. But maybe it still would need more power. If it was not for this and the other video , i also would have never doubted the rear axle steering.
-rear axle
+cf roof
+cf seats
+interior package first level
Might make a T more T ish
However my 718 T is now under 3000 lbs. maybe it’s just a better T :(
Guess i go S with luxury
Burmester is my favorite option
2200km’s into weekend trips with my PDK, non-RAS, sunroof equipped 992 T and the more I drive it, the better I find it and enjoy it. Coming from a 991.2 C2S other than being a tad larger it’s a huge improvement in handling and ride over the previous model. Both the 992 and 991 are just a bit too big to be a true sport car, they are more of a very sporty GT. Get a Cayman/Boxster as a drivers sport car.
What type of radar detector do you recommend? Thank you.
Uniden R7 has been good
What specifically about the rear wheel steering did you not like?
Felt artificial and required very, very little input to change direction. This sounds cool and was fun at first but then became annoying, twitchy and removed some of the forgiveness.
Thanks for the video. I do hear that some people think the 992 Carrera S has too much power, and that they like the Carrera T power levels involvement better. I need to try them back to back..
I own a 992 and it’s a damn rocket ship. It’s more power than you need… but now that I have it, I wonder if I were to get in a base and think “it could have more power…” lol. It’s all about perspective. There’s a reason Mazda Miata’s are so fun,…. You don’t need power to have fun…. But once you have it, it’s hard to justify a slower car for such a price tag…
@amac8487 S turbos are more fun to play with.
I have a Base and it already has too much power if you drive winding roads. Just 2-3s of full throttle and you’re into triple digit speeds. The smaller turbos on the Base/T are supposed to have better throttle response, too.
@@biznatcho7 yeah… I’ve never expierenced any issue with response in my S if I’m pushing / driving spiritedly because I keep my RPMs up to create boost as it is …. It’s damn fast though that’s for sure. I’m not sure why so many feel the need or like to tune these cars…
@@amac8487Agree. I never understand anyone wanting to tune a 911. Just get the next model if you want more power! There’s 380 to 650 available.
Interesting that Porsche offers so many driver experience options - new and used , 718 & 911 - it encourages people learn and refine their likes .
Awesome honesty Will - your regrets are totally on par w my thoughts when you were spec'ing the T - its really just a Carrera w manual transmission - another PR $$$ from Porsche. Your spec was in Carrera S pricing - not what the "70s T was about. And m pretty sure everyone pays retail - again a great manipulation by Porsche. Of course all this crap on TH-cam was positive because 1) people drove the car for maybe an hour 2) if you wanted to get invited back by Porsche you better say how great they are. Rant almost over ... 992 is way over priced and yes there are some design flaws ... EVERY "911" has them ! But I still love them 🤔
I bought a 992 C2S about the same time you bought your T. I had the ability to get an allocation for either T or an S. I went with the S with all of the performance add ons. Performance was most important and I thought why not go with the extra power. Some say it’s too much power and takes away from the fun of ‘driving a slow car fast”. I couldn’t disagree more. The S isn’t ’too much’ power and feels right to me. I’m so glad to hear your bottom line was you would have gone with the S. In researching my decision, I couldn’t find an equivalent S/T comparison. That is the real decision. I wish more would talk about it vice drooling over the T. Thanks for your honest review and opinions. I feel a lot better about my decision.
Curious if you would have just done a simple tune or piggy back would you have been happier with the performance? [note: starting to do my research for my first Porsche so don’t know if there is a “piggy back” option]
Lastly, on the “wind problem” … I have obviously never had a Porsche but I have had multiple cars with “sun roofs”. I say this that this “sun roof” feature is really intended for just cruising around at probably no more than 40 mph around town. And the “buffeting” regardless of car and tricks like open the windows in a certain configuration to get less buffeting is false… I don’t blame you for wanting the glass roof and since you are not racing it I too would have ordered it that way… I think it is just like you said “new car fever”. Thank you for the honesty. It certainly helped.
Agree about the sunroof - experienced wind buffeting too on a GTS. Surprised you didn't get on with the 18-ways. The 4-ways have no lumbar support which is their downside. RWS is over hyped and since the ST has come out without it journalists are now praising the lack of it! The PDLS lights are incredible. 992T manual is such a sweet car to drive on the road because it's not over powered.
I have 18 way in two cars one 991.1 and one 991.2 and love them. That being said, the 992 seats look slightly different. It’s possible Porsche changed the design?
The 992 left and right seat bottom bolsters are taller than the 991’s and the 18 ways have a metal piece inside that makes them have no give…so if you don’t sit dead on straight it digs into your thigh…or at least it did for me.
I had a random chance to sit in the 992 4 ways a day or so ago and the side bolsters don’t have anything inside of them to adjust them so they have give…presumably making them more comfortable.
On a front end what you can do and what I did so it looks much better and more expensive, I just ticked an option of painting front lip in exterior color and looks so much better, wider and thicker
Agreed 100%, the 992 fascia’s are ugly af. I have a 991.2, and it’s such a more elegant and beautiful look to me. The Sport Design package is a must for me with the 992, and to get black pieces you have to get gloss and it costs over $6k! There is no way they can get me to trade my 991.2 T in for a new one! Mine was $116k MSRP, has LWBS optioned, came standard with race Tex roof ($1500 option 992), good looking front/rear fascia no need for $6k Sport Design, and a couple other options. When I spec a 992 T it comes out over $140k! Madness, just not worth the $ to me. I have a brand new Taycan 4S that was $145k MSRP, so I’m willing to spend the $ for the right car, but a T isn’t worth it to me at that price when I just got one a couple of years ago for so much less that is a better looking car with better driving experience (IMHO).
Can you please let me know why you would go with a T aftter owning an S ? I mean, that's downgrading and I just don't know why anyone would ever do that.
Wiley Porsche offers one the ability " to fix their problem by throwing enough money at it " 😁
+1 about the back of the 992. If it’s not the turbo or the gt cars, it just feels so not right. Not to mention how bad it looks when the spoiler extends. And that comes from a huge Porsche fan and happy owner of multiple models…
Love the front and rear ends of the 991. Hate the front and rear ends of the 992.
I’ve just had my turbo s cabbrolet delivered its jet black metallic and it’s fine
Thanks
Think you would have been happy with a 992.1 GTS?
I don’t think so. The 992 generation doesn’t really feel like a 911. I don’t mean that literally but much of the ethos is gone.
I just picked up my 992 911t. I have also had a 991.2 T. I have Driven a 992 S at the Porsche Experience Center. First off, I have to say that I love the 992T and it fixes all the things that I didn’t like in the 991.2. The one thing that was much better about the 991.2 was the PSE. The PSE on the 992 is not great.
I haven’t noticed the 992 T and 992 S to be much different in terms of power or excitement. I believe that one of the reasons that there are so many different Porsche models is that there is one to fit what each person is looking for in a 911. When I had my 991.2 T, every time I went in for service, everyone would also comment about the T and the fact is that the T is more rare and has limited production compared to the S. and because of this, I more appreciate the T. The T is also not supposed to be their faster motor and as Nick Murray has said, you have to work the car a little bit which is part of it’s essence.
I have also owned a 22 Macan S and a 23 Macan GTS. I would say that the Macan S was lacklustre. I thought the 23 base Macan was a much better value then the S and the GTS was much more of a enthusiasts car then the S and I have to wonder if the ownership experience of the 911’s would be the same. I would guess that the 911 GTS would be much more of an experience and have a sense of occasion then the 911 S.
If I ever order a Carrera T, it would be a GT silver, manual with Bucket seats; that's it!
Very thoughful. Initially when you said you sold your T, I was wondering why you had so many options on it. I love my 992 T, in large part because I went easy on the options (although it's still a big pill to swallow at $130k). RAS debate was agonizing, but in the end I opted for the closest to a natural suspension feel (for a modern 911, anyway). I have not once thought "damn I should have gotten RAS".
I also thought I would regret not getting the 18-way seats, but the Sport Plus-with-SportTex seats with the 4-way controls are the best (in terms of comfort and bolstering) I ever had, and easily beat the 14-ways on my Boxster and the 2-ways on my 987. Both of those had the flatter comfort seats. The manual slider is way faster for moving in and out than the power seat would be (especially if you're throwing stuff in back). I need to move the seat back to get in and out, and while the electric would be nice, it's not $2500 nice and actually adds more weight to the car than one would think.
Also, while I came out of a 718 Boxster S, my thought was the T is meant to be a slick top, and if I wanted another open air, I would have gotten a cabriolet or for a lot less, a Boxster GTS 4.0. I got Gentian Blue, which as a darker color lessens the impact of the huge rear body color bumper as well as lessening any visual advantage I might have had with a sport design front end, and also neutralizes any misgivings about the black lip at the front. I deleted the decals on the side, which would have gotten lost with the G Blue color. My $4000 in options include heated steering wheel, electric folding mirrors, crest on the armrest (because I had it on my 718 Boxster S), shark blue seat belts (good contrast, no delay on my build), Bose (my most expensive option, but a bare minimum for any Porsche sound system), and I opted at no cost to substitute body color dash and console trim in place of piano black. I opted the rear seat back in, because that tiny kids' rear seat says "911" to me (and you can fold them down if needed).
And of course 7 speed manual. The S engine would be a kick, but not once have I wished for more power. Maybe if I were a track rat that would be a different story, but then I would have probably gotten PDK. I've autocrossed the car and haven't gotten anywhere near the limits on it. I do like that it has both low end torque (which the turbo enables) and no lag, and the ability to quickly rev and provide a nice sound. My one and only regret is I didn't pay the stupid $1100 extra to substitute the Sport Chrono stopwatch with the Porsche Design clock - in my opinion it should be a no-cost alternative to the stopwatch, which for me is useless except maybe for timing autocross runs, which you can do anyway with the electronic systems on the car.
I also think the c2s is the variant with the best value. Bought a 2023 c2s in gt silver and black/beige interior with sports design package front and rear. Just beautiful and drives so well. Paid over US$370,000 in Thailand. You guys got made buying Porsches or other supercars in Europe or the US. So much cheaper there without outrageous import duty like in some Asian countries.
While I know a LOT of folks choose basic black as their interior choice, I can't imagine why... it looks dark and uninviting, while also hiding the special materials that might be used. To each their own.
I also wanted to add that I also had the extended range fuel tank, but I would forgo it the next time around as it is not 100% useful for me on a vehicle that is a toy and will never be driven long distances.
Edit: Fully agree re the 992 T reviews as there seems to be an awful lot of Kool-Aided being consumed for them.
Great comments. How do you get your wife to put up with your Porsche passion?
She’s patient and also desensitized 😂
My Taycan 4S has all the upgrades: full leather, full tech, big brakes, big wheels. It’s a daily driver for 80 mile commute in Los Angeles. My Carrera T has LWBS, standard T interior (gray stitching), slick top, and Bose stereo. It’s a weekend car for trips to wine country or blasts in the canyons. Buy the trim and spec it for your use case. You bought a T but wanted and need an S, which is why you tried to spec the T into an S.
100%
Has anyone experienced the difference between PASM and Sport PASM (lowered 10mm). I know the T is Sport PASM only but trying to decided which option on an S.
I'm not into most of the chintzy tat on the options list. But don't know how you could spec one of these cars from new with the plastic door cards and dash, makes the interior feel so cheap. ANd and the leather door cards and dash are not heavier than the plastic ones. Someone weighed the 991 plastic and leather dash options and the leather dash was lighter. The leather dash isn't the plastic dash plus leather covering. They both use the same base structure, but have either a soft-touch plastic covering or a leather covering.
Had the exact same build, with a couple extra options. I have to say, I wasn’t in love with it and got rid of it after 6 weeks. Plus, I didn’t lose a penny, just wasn’t for me.
Sounds like what I did. Porsche makes some GREAT, PHENOMENAL products but I just found the 992 itself wasn’t for me.
What’s interesting is how much criticism I have gotten because the options I chose “ruined” the character of the T.
Options or no options, the 992 is what it is. I feel like the critics don’t truly know what a driver’s 911 is so they think subtleties like a glass roof or 18 ways negate the intent of the T.
lol.
I believe a Gts manual is a great choice over the whole line and if you need a super car ; than a turbo s is a great choice. I believe the 992.2 will have only pdk not any manual anymore.
Boy, the new Porsche interior is looking kinda cheap these days. Love your 991.2 💯
It’s the first negative I’ve heard about RAS. Glad to realize it’s not a dealbreaker if it’s not on it.
5 years ago, 150k would of got you a 911 GTS convertible with 25k in options. 180k for a GT3
ridiculous now.
TBH my real conclusion is…. A 992 just isn’t a driver’s car anymore. Let’s hear it - 981 Spyder brings you way more joy, doesn’t it. It’s okay to say it…
100%!
7:50 It looks like you are comparing the Comfort/Sport seats in the 991.2 to the Sports Plus seats in the 992, given the lower bolsters. The Comfort/Sport seats (aka 14 ways) in the 992 are more comfortable than the flatter and less well bolstered Comfort/Sport seats in the 991.2 imo.
The wind buffeting noise exists on all 992’s. How was that a surprise?
Didn’t happen upon that info in my research. Plus it never occurred to me that such an obvious design flaw would exist on a six figure machine.
@@Rennthusiast fair enough though it is all over the Rennlist forums.
All aerodynamic cars buffet now even SUVs . You need open other side window or put some vortex generator tabs on
@@Rennthusiast Agreed. Ridiculous that such a ruinous feature/bug as the wind buffet would be allowed to plague this costly and otherwise awesome car.
For a T? Color is subjective but my build would be a Gentian Blue. Only listing selected options the rest are standard. Leather interior in black, come on standard interior is cheap feeling. Sport design side skirts, this one exterior addition changes the look a ton. Deletion of model designation and decal on door, the car is for me to drive who cares if they know what it is. Rear axle steering, it is like having a wizard in the ass end. Preparation for dashcam, get both for proof in court. Ambient lighting, besides the leather this is the biggest boost to the interior. Finally, Bose stereo for better sound.
You’re not alone on RAS, Porsche removed this option on the S/T for a reason.
GTS a better choice.
The sunroof seems like a strange choice for a driver focused car. If you want a wind in the car buy the cab. But if your taking about buffeting, I doubt a cab is what your after.
Get yourself into a GT3, everything else will leave you wanting more!
I drove a 997.1 GT3 recently. Cool car and I could have bought it but something about it didn’t move me.