Came across your video. Picked up a new 2023 1290 SAS two days ago. First thing I noticed was that damn turn indicator switch. Finally figured out the down then in technique to cancel turn indications.
Hi, that's reassuring to hear. I've done around 17000 km and also had no issues other than a bit of clutch slip. New clutch springs and fresh oil, problem sorted. All the best 😀
good review! I've had my 2022 SAS for a year now and it just improves with age! great bike, the only thing it lacks for me is the screaming 4 pot engine that I have been used to (this is my first twin).
Thanks for the review . I’ve had my new SAS for a week … I like your content style and have no doubt that you subscriber following will increase very quickly 👍
Agreed on your brake comment. I test road a 2023 SAS and the front brake is more mushy than my GSA... I'd like to thank you from the USA for enunciating so I can understand every word!
The clutch is hydraulic not cable actuated. I’ve had three LC8 bikes now and all the same with resistance pushing around. You might try pumping the the clutch lever 3-4 times and then pushing it, to see if that helps. I also currently have a 2022 SAS. I love it. I haven’t found one thing I don’t like yet. It’s in my basement until winters over here in Michigan. Enjoyed the video.
That makes a lot of sense, I hadn't thought about the clutch being hydraulic. Pleased, but not surprised you're loving the SAS, hope the weather comes good for you soon :o)
Thanks for the vids, have enjoyed and used these in deciding to go from a 19 SAS to a 22 SAS. I’ve found the indicator issue actually isn’t an issue… picked up my MY22 SAS last week and it isn’t even down and forward to cancel, it’s actually just down on the switch, no forward push required. Thumb on top of the switch and down…
I have one of these nearly a year now and my god does it put a smile on my face!, great review! , I love if KTM fixed the indicator switch and fitted FOC an upgrade as this is the only negative for me.
Thank you. I haven't seen the revised version that came out in January but I believe the indicator has been fixed. Like you say it would be great if they fitted it FOC.
That was a great review, definitely going to test drive one. My Ninja 1000SX is fun but want to see how this compares. I tried the Ducati multistrada V4 and found two negatives. Giving it the beans per se the front forks moved up and down compared to my ninja where the front wheel comes up and down. The second was how fast you spin up to 5,000 rpm but I did not feel the rush of power. Curious how that unit feels and rides.
Thank you. I never got round to test riding the Multistrada, the price and fuel range put me off but I'm sure it's a brilliant bike. The anti-dive on the SAS helps with the suspension travel and it has no problem lifting the font wheel ;) If you do get round to test riding the SAS I'd love to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the Ducati.
Iam coming off a ninja z1000sx 2019, i just received my 2023 1290s, and wow, the power delivery in sport mode is amazing, i was doing wheelies like crazy and it keeps making me smile. the comfort, omg , i could ride for days. if you get the sas, believe me you wont be disappointed 😁
I picked up mine from the dealer last week, i've only done 150 km so far. The engine is great (i mean sublime...). Indicator-button sucks, i agree. First (minor) negative i came across: took the panniers off and put them on the floor. They fell over backwards, no flat surface. My BMW -panniers were more practical. The Puig screen is great, the arrow exhaust is awesome.
Nice one, which Puig screen did you go with? I've been considering Puig or MRA, need it to be clear for when vlogging although I do prefer the look of the dark smoke ones.
Just came across this vid as I’ve increasingly become interested in the 1290 SAS for completing long touring/motocamping duties on, and you’re the perfect person to ask since you mention you used to have an S1000XR, that’s another bike I’ve been interested in. How did the fuel range on that bike compare to your SAS, and being an inline 4, is it really dead until you get to say, 6k, is there any pull off the line? Maybe it’s all perspective though too…I have a middleweight naked now which I tour on, so compared to my current bike, the XR might have plenty of pull (I’m thinking hairpin turns and such and being able to torque your way out of them easily). Very informative review on your KTM btw, thank you for that owner’s insight 😊✌️
With the XR I used to get an average 44mpg, with the SAS I'm getting around 48mpg so there isn't much in it. To put that into context I'd average around 190miles out of a full tank on the XR and around 200 on the SAS. I think the SAS has potential to go much further on a full tank but I'm still very much in the honeymoon period ;) As for the XR being an inline 4, as you say, it is a perspective thing, it is a quick bike and certainly isn't dead before 6k. At around 6k it goes from being very quick to stupid quick and I never felt it was lacking. Both bikes are awesome and I'd be happy with either. The only reason I swapped my XR was because I'd had it for 4 years and the mileage was creeping up. From your comment both bikes would be a great choice. I appreciate it sounds obvious but honestly, I think you're best test riding them both and seeing which one makes you fizz the most :o) The only other consideration is if you're going to be doing any off-road, in which case I might lean slightly towards the SAS. You're very welcome for the owner's insight, all the best on your quest for a new bike :)
Mine gives me occasional key out of rang errors when the key is in my pocket and I'm on the bike. First time it happened I crapped myself as I thought the key had fallen out during my journey. Much relief when I pulled over and it was still ther😁😁
Haha, I bet you did, losing your key when on the move would be horrible. I've since played around with it some more and that started to happen to me when I turned the ARA (Anti Relay Attack) feature on. As soon as I turned ARA off I've not seen the message since. I think the key might have something built in that when there is little movement it goes to sleep. Not sure why that would happen when on the move.
With regards to the shoulder pain..... I found that if the seat is too low and the bars rotated back it induced shoulder pain. This happens with me and a nother person I know he is 6ft 4 and I'm 6 ft 6.
I have a 23 model and find that my quick shift kills the engine making changes lumpy if I don’t give more than a quick upward pressure on the gear change. I suppose I’ll get used to it but my previous bike, a Duc 950s didn’t have the same issue. Downchanges on the KTM meanwhile are much smoother than the Ducati was.
I hear what you are saying, you do have to be really positive with the upshift. Have you checked your chain tension, it's surprising how much of a difference that can make to a qucikshifter.
@@motocradyeah it’s spot on, actually because I need to click the lever very quickly, it sometimes doesn’t shift. If I give a positive shift, the engine is killed too long and the bike slows. Maybe there’s an adjustment needed on my shifter.
I watched this and your collection video, and we were both in the same situation. I have a 2017 XR which I have from new but I wanted a change and the mileage was getting a bit high on the XR. I test-rode the KTM and while I loved the tech I just couldn't get to grips with the agricultural nature of the engine and gearbox. The KTM I rode was 2 months old but it felt less tight than the XR. Like you, I thought about the GS but the arrival of the 1300 put me off, I don't want a 1250 that will drop in price as soon as the release date for the 1300 is announced. The new XR is too refined so I have decided to stick to what I know and kept the 2017 XR.
The problem is the XR is just so damn good, it took me 12 months to eventually make the switch. I kept thinking about changing, then I rode the XR again and thought, nope, this is still a great bike. I totally agree about the agricultural nature, but I've come to love the low end grunt. It is such a shame the new XR didn't go with Shiftcam. I'm fortunate enough to have the gen 4 s1000rr with shiftcam and the engine is incredible/frightening. All the best 😀
@jonasbaine3538 possibly, looks awesome and I'll more than likely have a test ride. There is no doubt it will be incredibly quick, I'd be interested to see how chilled it can be. Is that what you're holding out for?
@@motocrad yeah I signed up with bmw to get notified when it’s available. Hoping they have a demo day for the official release. I ride my 1190 adventure hard…, full lean edge of tire, but miss full power of a sportbike. 200hp M1000xr sounds great. Hoping 1390 super adventure will be around 180-190hp to retain off-road capability with high performance
Haha thank you 😊 I have a Packtalk bold, but I don't use it for the video. For that I have a USB Type C microphone plugged directly into the DJI Osmo Action 3 mounted on my chin. I have played with cameras and microphones loads over the years, and this setup is probably the best I've had, not perfect, but not far off. I was thinking of doing a video on the camera setup so stayed tuned 😉
Certainly, there are 2 parts to the mount, the first part fits behind the clocks and presents a bar, it's the Touratech GPS Mounting Adapter and I think I got it from RuggedRoads: ruggedroads.co.uk/Touratech-GPS-Mounting-Adapter-Above-Instruments-KTM1290-Super-Adv-S/R-2021 The second part is the Touratech Garmin Zumo XT Locking Mount: ruggedroads.co.uk/epages/00cbb604-5d1c-407e-8207-580e14387ec5.sf/en_GB/?ObjectID=39203518 The GPS itself is a Garmin Zumo XT. Since I bought it the Zumo XT2 was released, if I was starting again I would go with that. If you do go for the Zumo XT2 be sure to get the Touratech Garmin Zumo XT2 specific mount because they're not compatible.
Question, is it possible to remove the orange stickers on the bike or are they under a clear paint coating? I would like to make the motorcycle look awesome.
Forgive me for not trying it 😉 but yes I think they could be removed. There is no clear coat or lacquer over the top. They are very low profile and I think Ricardo Yeep has videos online of him installing decal kits straight over the top.
Are you calculating your mpg? Or are u using the tech for it? My 890 on my phone calculator gives me almost 15mpg better. Miles/gallons. My bike computer says I average 50-55mpg, my phone calculating at the pump gets me 65-70mpg, 75 if I hypermile it.
That is good going, I just go off the trip computer. Before resetting it last time I had done over 1000 miles so I just assumed the average was about right. Next few times I fill up I'll make a point of recording it 😀
Came across your video. Picked up a new 2023 1290 SAS two days ago. First thing I noticed was that damn turn indicator switch. Finally figured out the down then in technique to cancel turn indications.
It is rubbish, but you get over it 😀 Other than the indicator, I hope you're enjoying the new toy.
Had mine for a year now, and it's just great. Everytime I ride it, I'm just Loving it. 25000 km , and no worries so far
Hi, that's reassuring to hear. I've done around 17000 km and also had no issues other than a bit of clutch slip. New clutch springs and fresh oil, problem sorted. All the best 😀
good review! I've had my 2022 SAS for a year now and it just improves with age! great bike, the only thing it lacks for me is the screaming 4 pot engine that I have been used to (this is my first twin).
Thanks for the review . I’ve had my new SAS for a week …
I like your content style and have no doubt that you subscriber following will increase very quickly 👍
Thank you, always nice to hear positive feedback :) Hope you're enjoying the new SAS.
Agreed on your brake comment. I test road a 2023 SAS and the front brake is more mushy than my GSA... I'd like to thank you from the USA for enunciating so I can understand every word!
You're very welcome. It's great to hear from someone on that side of the pond 😀
The clutch is hydraulic not cable actuated. I’ve had three LC8 bikes now and all the same with resistance pushing around. You might try pumping the the clutch lever 3-4 times and then pushing it, to see if that helps. I also currently have a 2022 SAS. I love it. I haven’t found one thing I don’t like yet. It’s in my basement until winters over here in Michigan. Enjoyed the video.
That makes a lot of sense, I hadn't thought about the clutch being hydraulic. Pleased, but not surprised you're loving the SAS, hope the weather comes good for you soon :o)
Thanks for the vids, have enjoyed and used these in deciding to go from a 19 SAS to a 22 SAS. I’ve found the indicator issue actually isn’t an issue… picked up my MY22 SAS last week and it isn’t even down and forward to cancel, it’s actually just down on the switch, no forward push required. Thumb on top of the switch and down…
Nice one, I thought the switch had been updated but hadn't seen it for myself so that's great to hear. Enjoy your new ride :)
Cheers for this info. Looking forward to more videos
I have one of these nearly a year now and my god does it put a smile on my face!, great review! , I love if KTM fixed the indicator switch and fitted FOC an upgrade as this is the only negative for me.
Thank you. I haven't seen the revised version that came out in January but I believe the indicator has been fixed. Like you say it would be great if they fitted it FOC.
2023 model has a new indicator switch that has a positive click to cancel. Much better.
I just put a Wings can on my bike, oh my god it is fantastic!! The sound is SO good. It is the best sound on any bike I’ve ever had!
I've seen a few of them popping up on TH-cam, and it looks great. Hopefully I'll get to hear, and see one in person someday.
That was a great review, definitely going to test drive one. My Ninja 1000SX is fun but want to see how this compares. I tried the Ducati multistrada V4 and found two negatives. Giving it the beans per se the front forks moved up and down compared to my ninja where the front wheel comes up and down. The second was how fast you spin up to 5,000 rpm but I did not feel the rush of power. Curious how that unit feels and rides.
Thank you. I never got round to test riding the Multistrada, the price and fuel range put me off but I'm sure it's a brilliant bike. The anti-dive on the SAS helps with the suspension travel and it has no problem lifting the font wheel ;) If you do get round to test riding the SAS I'd love to hear your thoughts on how it compares to the Ducati.
Iam coming off a ninja z1000sx 2019, i just received my 2023 1290s, and wow, the power delivery in sport mode is amazing, i was doing wheelies like crazy and it keeps making me smile. the comfort, omg , i could ride for days. if you get the sas, believe me you wont be disappointed 😁
I picked up mine from the dealer last week, i've only done 150 km so far. The engine is great (i mean sublime...). Indicator-button sucks, i agree.
First (minor) negative i came across: took the panniers off and put them on the floor. They fell over backwards, no flat surface. My BMW -panniers were more practical.
The Puig screen is great, the arrow exhaust is awesome.
Nice one, which Puig screen did you go with? I've been considering Puig or MRA, need it to be clear for when vlogging although I do prefer the look of the dark smoke ones.
Just came across this vid as I’ve increasingly become interested in the 1290 SAS for completing long touring/motocamping duties on, and you’re the perfect person to ask since you mention you used to have an S1000XR, that’s another bike I’ve been interested in. How did the fuel range on that bike compare to your SAS, and being an inline 4, is it really dead until you get to say, 6k, is there any pull off the line? Maybe it’s all perspective though too…I have a middleweight naked now which I tour on, so compared to my current bike, the XR might have plenty of pull (I’m thinking hairpin turns and such and being able to torque your way out of them easily).
Very informative review on your KTM btw, thank you for that owner’s insight 😊✌️
With the XR I used to get an average 44mpg, with the SAS I'm getting around 48mpg so there isn't much in it. To put that into context I'd average around 190miles out of a full tank on the XR and around 200 on the SAS. I think the SAS has potential to go much further on a full tank but I'm still very much in the honeymoon period ;)
As for the XR being an inline 4, as you say, it is a perspective thing, it is a quick bike and certainly isn't dead before 6k. At around 6k it goes from being very quick to stupid quick and I never felt it was lacking. Both bikes are awesome and I'd be happy with either. The only reason I swapped my XR was because I'd had it for 4 years and the mileage was creeping up.
From your comment both bikes would be a great choice. I appreciate it sounds obvious but honestly, I think you're best test riding them both and seeing which one makes you fizz the most :o) The only other consideration is if you're going to be doing any off-road, in which case I might lean slightly towards the SAS.
You're very welcome for the owner's insight, all the best on your quest for a new bike :)
Mine gives me occasional key out of rang errors when the key is in my pocket and I'm on the bike. First time it happened I crapped myself as I thought the key had fallen out during my journey. Much relief when I pulled over and it was still ther😁😁
Haha, I bet you did, losing your key when on the move would be horrible. I've since played around with it some more and that started to happen to me when I turned the ARA (Anti Relay Attack) feature on. As soon as I turned ARA off I've not seen the message since. I think the key might have something built in that when there is little movement it goes to sleep. Not sure why that would happen when on the move.
@@motocrad All in all I can't stop smiling when I'm on it.. Great review👍
With regards to the shoulder pain..... I found that if the seat is too low and the bars rotated back it induced shoulder pain. This happens with me and a nother person I know he is 6ft 4 and I'm 6 ft 6.
That's good to know, I never got around to adjusting the bars, but that makes sense, thank you 😊
I have a 23 model and find that my quick shift kills the engine making changes lumpy if I don’t give more than a quick upward pressure on the gear change. I suppose I’ll get used to it but my previous bike, a Duc 950s didn’t have the same issue. Downchanges on the KTM meanwhile are much smoother than the Ducati was.
I hear what you are saying, you do have to be really positive with the upshift. Have you checked your chain tension, it's surprising how much of a difference that can make to a qucikshifter.
@@motocradyeah it’s spot on, actually because I need to click the lever very quickly, it sometimes doesn’t shift. If I give a positive shift, the engine is killed too long and the bike slows. Maybe there’s an adjustment needed on my shifter.
Also. I'm around Bolton too. Surprised I've not seen you.
Nice one, I'm up over Rivington, Belmont, Smithills quite a bit, hopefully see you around someday.
@@motocrad don't get confused thinking your looking at a mirror as I'll have a camera on my lid and the Mondial suit too 😂😂
I watched this and your collection video, and we were both in the same situation. I have a 2017 XR which I have from new but I wanted a change and the mileage was getting a bit high on the XR. I test-rode the KTM and while I loved the tech I just couldn't get to grips with the agricultural nature of the engine and gearbox. The KTM I rode was 2 months old but it felt less tight than the XR. Like you, I thought about the GS but the arrival of the 1300 put me off, I don't want a 1250 that will drop in price as soon as the release date for the 1300 is announced. The new XR is too refined so I have decided to stick to what I know and kept the 2017 XR.
The problem is the XR is just so damn good, it took me 12 months to eventually make the switch. I kept thinking about changing, then I rode the XR again and thought, nope, this is still a great bike. I totally agree about the agricultural nature, but I've come to love the low end grunt. It is such a shame the new XR didn't go with Shiftcam. I'm fortunate enough to have the gen 4 s1000rr with shiftcam and the engine is incredible/frightening. All the best 😀
@@motocrad planning to get M1000XR?
@jonasbaine3538 possibly, looks awesome and I'll more than likely have a test ride. There is no doubt it will be incredibly quick, I'd be interested to see how chilled it can be. Is that what you're holding out for?
@@motocrad yeah I signed up with bmw to get notified when it’s available. Hoping they have a demo day for the official release. I ride my 1190 adventure hard…, full lean edge of tire, but miss full power of a sportbike. 200hp M1000xr sounds great. Hoping 1390 super adventure will be around 180-190hp to retain off-road capability with high performance
loving the video SUBURB 😂 P.S how do you have the mic setup with your camera through packtalk bold or senna ?
Haha thank you 😊 I have a Packtalk bold, but I don't use it for the video. For that I have a USB Type C microphone plugged directly into the DJI Osmo Action 3 mounted on my chin. I have played with cameras and microphones loads over the years, and this setup is probably the best I've had, not perfect, but not far off. I was thinking of doing a video on the camera setup so stayed tuned 😉
Just watching the vid, I had a SDR before my SAS and the clutch was the same. They seem to drag slightly.
Thanks, that is good to know, I didn't think it was wrong, just not had one like it before 😊
@@motocrad my SDR would actually try to creep forward in neutral due to the drag
I oved my bike as much as you
Can you tell me where you got your mount for the GPS and which GPS are you using.
Certainly, there are 2 parts to the mount, the first part fits behind the clocks and presents a bar, it's the Touratech GPS Mounting Adapter and I think I got it from RuggedRoads:
ruggedroads.co.uk/Touratech-GPS-Mounting-Adapter-Above-Instruments-KTM1290-Super-Adv-S/R-2021
The second part is the Touratech Garmin Zumo XT Locking Mount:
ruggedroads.co.uk/epages/00cbb604-5d1c-407e-8207-580e14387ec5.sf/en_GB/?ObjectID=39203518
The GPS itself is a Garmin Zumo XT. Since I bought it the Zumo XT2 was released, if I was starting again I would go with that. If you do go for the Zumo XT2 be sure to get the Touratech Garmin Zumo XT2 specific mount because they're not compatible.
Many thanks@@motocrad
Absolutely Superb Video. I'd go as far as to say it was Awesome! 😂👍
Haha, thank you 😊
Question, is it possible to remove the orange stickers on the bike or are they under a clear paint coating? I would like to make the motorcycle look awesome.
Forgive me for not trying it 😉 but yes I think they could be removed. There is no clear coat or lacquer over the top. They are very low profile and I think Ricardo Yeep has videos online of him installing decal kits straight over the top.
Are you calculating your mpg? Or are u using the tech for it? My 890 on my phone calculator gives me almost 15mpg better. Miles/gallons. My bike computer says I average 50-55mpg, my phone calculating at the pump gets me 65-70mpg, 75 if I hypermile it.
That is good going, I just go off the trip computer. Before resetting it last time I had done over 1000 miles so I just assumed the average was about right. Next few times I fill up I'll make a point of recording it 😀