Olympus OM-D EM1 mk2 vs Lumix G9 Real World Hands On Comparison - But Which Is Best?
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I own both, multiples in fact. I like the G9 more than the M1 Mk2 and Mk3. I love how the Olympus ones look, and the slightly smaller form factor does make a difference over the course of a long wedding day. But the G9 wins for me because of body detect, and its ease of use switching from something like face detect to manually moving the focus box around; the Mark 2 forces you to press a button and move a dial, the mark 3 forces you to press a button....whereas with the G9 if you bring it up to your eye and the face detect locks on to the wrong face, you just move the joystick and it automatically overrides the face/body/subject detect.
And the viewfinder on the G9 is substantially better too.
Really good point
Yeah, the viewfinder and back LCD specs on the EM1mkiii were really disappointing, especially for an $1800 camera.
What about menus/workflow ?
Thanks for that.... very very detailed... I can tell you actually used these cameras for a while and didnt just look at spec sheet ahaha
You many already know, the AFL/AEL button on the Olympus can be changed to function as the on/off making it a right hand operation. Great video…thanks!
Fantastic real world comparison video 👍
I appreciate seeing the gear on hand, gives a nice idea of how they handle, lots of reviews lack that as just talking heads
I too am a big fan of M4/3 second hand. Having recently purchased a GX9 for US$355 with only 113 shutter count (w/12-32 kits lens, OEM grip, & battery) and the G81 for US$465 with only 4000 shutter count (w/12-60 kit lens, OEM battery/kit extension, and 2x batteries), I am very impressed with the capabilities of these two units at such bargain prices. I do a lot of hand held photos and occasionally video, mixing it up between modern AF and manual vintage lenses. Both are in mint condition and fit the bill perfectly for my use.
I own the OM-D EM1 mk2, and it's been my go to camera for a few years now. I've never owned the G9 but I've been interested in it. Great comparison, and thanks for sharing.
There is a purple issue with the G9 when pushing shadow. The work around is using ISO 100. Real estate a real estate photographer found the issue.
Great video. I use the Panasonic Lumix G9 with the Panasonic Leica DG Elmarit 200mm f/2.8, mainly for wildlife photography. I have been very happy with it.
Fantastic comparison! This is what attracted me to your channel, it's not about obsessing over specifications or technology, but down to earth user focused reviews and comment. And your ethos that what is important is what meets your needs and what works for you is (in my view) entirely valid and matches my own view. It's not about what is best (in any case a somewhat problematic concept - best in what way?) but what is right for a user. And I agree on the importance of a camera just feeling right. The importance of how a camera feels and whether we enjoy using it can't be overstated, but is lost in many reviews which focus on pixel count, sensor minutiae, esoteric features etc. The reason I love the M1X is how it feels, it is a perfect fit for my hands, I love the vertical grip and there is a feeling of solidity which is rare in modern cameras. Some may say 'so what? Does that matter for the pictures?', I'd say yes it does because put aside technical performance - a camera you love and which is a joy to use is likely to get more use and encourage you to use it and to push it to find out what you can do with it. Quite aside from the fact that something which is nice to use is, well, just nicer to use. Both the E-M1 ii and G9 are superb cameras. I view the Olympus - Lumix thing as like Apple - Windows, or Android - IPhone. They're different, and people used to one will feel much more comfortable sticking with it and find the other a bit awkward and strange. However, you soon get used to the differences and after an initial learning phase soon feel right at home with the other. A lot of reviews really dwell on menus, how light the shutter release is etc and make a big play of how terrible they might be, ignoring the fact that if most users give it a week or so they'll adjust and find it fine.
the M1X does feel fantastic, but I am leaning towards the G9 or Em1 ii, simply out of versatility. Maybe I'll get the G9 this time, and next time one of the Olympus cameras
Fantastic tutorial on both cameras!!!!!!
Thank you
Very practical and useful comparisons between the two cameras. You should be able to assign the on/off switch to a button on right side of camera.
I believe that you can, although it then means taking on the mighty Olympus menu maze lol (cog wheel, B, FN Lever/Power Lever by the way). But I like the default assignment of that switch for quickly changing the other button assignments. So I’ll have to live with it I’m afraid.
I had a G9 until about a year back and I must admit, I now wish I had kept hold of it. I went full frame with an old Sony A7 for better quality portrait shots with an 85mm on a full frame, but the G9 was an enjoyable camera for the long end stuff with a 70-300mm strapped on to it
As you say, better camera is the one wich feels better in your hand. I have taken the Olympus, the panasonic (and the Fuji) in my hands and the one who glued in my hand was the EM1-MII. Because what i like, i often use! ...and thats all about! great video! thanks!
Agreed & maybe due to my large hands, I had the same reaction to the G9 & returned an Oly em1 miii because it just didn't feel right.
Nice to find a down to earth non hyped review.
I left M43 selling my G9, 8-16,12-60,50-200,100-400 Almost 3 years ago, thinking the grass was greener on the other side. (Fuji X-H1, D810, Z6), but now I'm wanting to return to the fold and have missed the G9, ergonomics, lenses and the fact it was with me a lot more of the time when I was out (landscapes/walking/wildlife).
I am considering the OM1 MK2/3, just as it has another body to upgrade to in the future, steady stream of new lenses. It kind of makes more sense on a practical level. Except poor EVF, smaller body and the Olympus menu system... I could probably put up with these things and enjoy photography still. What draws me to the G9 is the EVF, ergonomics (fits like a glove - as they say), the menu/interface/touch controls / button layout and the lenses seem better to me in terms of focal ranges. Eg olympus s 16-300mm FF equiv in 3 pro lenses, Lumix is 16-400 in 3 lenses, with some nice overlap.
It would make the decision making much easier if Panasonic announced an G9 MK2 with the GH6 sensor...something to upgrade to in a few years!
So that's my quandary
Very useful video. I've owned several olympus bodies over recent years, but there are two things that draw me to the lumix cameras every time. These are the menu system and the amazing touchscreen facilities.
How time flies! I’ve had the E-M1 MkII for over two years now and I’ve just ordered a used Lumix G9 to replace my old G6 and G7 cameras. For small/light cameras I have a GX80 and E-M10MkII but must say I will miss the G6 especially as it was my first M4/3 camera bought ten years ago. Will probably get it all finalised by the end of next week
An excellent comparison Brian, however I tried the G9 in a camera shop (I was upgrading my GX7 because it got damaged). I found it very bulky for mf3's and quite expensive, at the time.
So I went for the GX9, I already have Nikon DSLRS. I love it and with IBIS the quality hand heald is excellent - I don't do Video which it's not recommended for 📷👍
There is a wide eye-cup for Olympus, it may only be available from Japan. I have one on my E-M5ii.
The G9 allows me to put +/-EV on the Command Dial, the wheel on the back. So when shooting in Manual mode with Auto-ISO, I can fiddle the +/-EV as I like. I've not found another MFT camera that can do this. Neither GH4 nor E-M5ii can do this.
On Lumix we have for a long time been able to assign Metering Mode to a Fn button. On Olympus we have to go through the Menu, quickest from the SCP screen.
The Lumix Dual-IS needs a mention. Olympus has Synch-IS but it doesn't work on Lumix OIS lenses. For wildlife using the Leica 100-400 the Dual2 stabilises the monster lens so well during framing it can instantly grab an AF-Lock hand-held. The Body-IS on the E-M5ii is really only good for hand held framing up to a lighter weight 200mm lens after which is struggles a bit. The no-OIS Olympus 45mm is a telephoto and enjoys some Body-IS which e.g. GH4 cannot provide.
The E-M5ii is tiny compared to the G9 and GH4 but has great haptics. It will take a SDXC-II card. Regarding cards, big is good but faster is better. There is a warning in very small print in the manual that the sensor can overheat when shooting long video; it tinges magenta. I had to get a G7 as B-cam to the GH4 because the E-M5ii could not do that job. I can't really recommend the G7 other than it shoots good video (I shoot 1080p too). I've been using MFT for a long time. I'll choose the camera for expected purpose, I don't always want to lug a big brick about; the pocket size E-PL7 with PZ14-45 is even smaller than wife's GX7. There is no 'best' camera, they all have different jobs. I still use my cuddly G5, I traded the E-PL2 long ago.
Regarding the G5, reviewing the photo will appear blurred, low pixel count on EVF and LCD, but on computer screen perfectly sharp. Until the pixel count approaches that of a screen it will appear a trifle fuzzy; wifi can throw the pics onto a fondle slab for review.
Another good video Brian. I have to say i love my omd EMI mkii, had a Lumix but prefer the performance, feel and battery life of the Olympus. I have just seen rob treks video on dxo raW and photolab. I hAve to say it looks impressive. Have you tried it or the film pack, if not there's a free trial. Certainly worth having a look at the video.thanks for your hard work.
DxO PhotoLab is a must for the micro4/3 photographer, IMO. The DeepPRIME noise reduction is incredible. I ended up canceling my Adobe subscription.
I understand what you say about the range finder style cameras. I'm left eye dominant and for me DSLR style suits me better.
I have a G9, and a OMD-5 MKIII, which has similar attributes to the OMD 1 MKII. The OM5 is very light, and a much less professional feeling camera. For me, the main difference is the lack of phase detect autofocus. While I agree with all your observations when I'm shooting with my Panasonic Leica 100-400, I get way more keepers when shooting birds with the Olympus. I also believe IBIS is a little better in the Olympus bodies, but the G9 is excellent, especially compared to my Sony A7II and A7c. (Of course, Sony autofocus blows away Panasonic or Olympus)
I've set the lever to change from single to continuous autofocus and on both brands I use the touchscreen to move the focus point if necessary. I use that rather than the joystick even on the Sony A7 III.
These two have different features which are complementary. If wanting to do Panoramic auto-stitching, for instance, and even focus stacking, the Lumix does it better. I choose both rather than one or the other and as much as possible I set the buttons in similar positions to do similar jobs, and that includes the Sony as much as I can. Dials in the same direction doing the same things as well. Autofocus pattern selection on all cameras set to left hand pad button.
While the Sony continuous autofocus and tracking is amazing and much better than the two M4/3 brands offer, I prefer to handle and use the two M4/3 brands for some reason and both offer far better IBIS than the full frame Sony. The Sony is better, much better than the already excellent other two, which are much improved compared to older models, in low light high ISO shooting.
I've only had the E-M1 Mk2 for a couple of months and after setting up to my liking, which took a week or more off and on, it is a firm favourite. While I did sell my Sony A57 and lenses after getting the new one, the primary motivation was to make even better use of my M4/3 lenses on a 'professional' grade camera which has come down in price to under £700
Good comparison. I have both bodies and and everything you say is reasonable.
Great video. Had G9, but after 5 months, replaced it with EM1 mk2 due to better auto-focusing, especially in wildlife photography. Olympus is better in that department in my opinion.
Which is better for human videography like colors sharpness etc?
Nicely done Brian; I own the G9 and have an Olympus EM10 Mark III. I love both cameras and find Micro 4/3 cameras fit my photography needs very well. I travel a lot and prefer a smaller camera over a larger camera. I used to own a Canon 6D and loved that camera for the photos it produced but lugging it around with its greater overall size and weight made me switch to the Micro 4/3 cameras. Thanks for avoiding a comparison of the specs which as you said doesn't tell you much of how the camera feels in your hands or whether it satisfies a photographers needs.
I also have recently acquired the smaller Em10Mkiii. What a lovely camera and picture produced. It is such a pleasure to shoot with in the city or in a park where attention is not drawn to you.
Yes , I purchased that Olympus camera for touring as it is feather light, small enough to fit in a jacket pocket and as you say un-obtrusive. No one seems to notice this camera.
I also have an Em10Mkiii, wondering why you went with the G9 over the Em1 mark ii??
At that time, I was convinced that the G9 was equivalent to the EM1 Mark III at a much lower price point. Both cameras are great and compare well but eventually I decided on a smaller camera the Olympus EM5 Mark III which was much better for traveling.
You strike me as bloke that knows what feels good in the hand!
It's called haptics ... that is why I have Olympus cameras :)
Lol
Finally, a non-hysterical discussion. Thanks a bunch.
Hi Brian
Having owned both these cameras, I can agree with everything you say. I've now "moved on" to full frame and I sometimes wonder why. I still would buy an OMD but somewhat disappointed in the EM-1 mk III specs above the mk II for a £700 difference. The G9 was excellent but I always sightly preferred the EM-1 Mk II for most of the reasons you state. In-camera stacked focus was a particular favourite of mine although the G9 also did this to some extent. Keeping an eye on what OMD Solutions may come up with.
Great video
Fergus Buchanan
I also use a Nikon DF, along with my EM1X, different tools for different uses.
The EM1 mk iii has a much worse EVF than the G9. Olympus lost a sale to me because of that.
@@joeltunnah A very valid comment. This is one of the reasons that I consider the specs of the EM-1 mk III so underwhelming compared to the EM-1 mk II when you factor in the cost difference. However, I will continue to watch for what OM Systems may come up with in the future. Rumours abound.
I have the same cameras having been an Olympus user for over a decade. Like you I have the EM1 mk i and mk ii and recently added the Lumix G9. I agree with your comments about the key differences as .the G9 excels with the large EVF and and high 3.9MP res, faster handling, better menus, higher video frame rates and rear joy stick control. G9 is larger camera and I often find I still grab the Olympus as the preferred camera as it is smaller and this was the original rationale for M43. Both great cameras with excellent range of lenses. Long live M43.
Yeah, I don’t see the point of buying a m4/3 camera that’s the size and weight of a D750… although granted the lenses are considerably smaller and lighter, but still…
If you could keep only one, which one would it be? The G9 or Mark ii?
This came on my feed right when I was about to google it lol
16:40 you can remap the power switch to any other switch on the camera on the Olympus, like the lever around the back button focus
I have remapped the lever to power, that way when i am shooting wildlife, with one finger, camera is turned on as I bring the camera to my eye so i can shoot almost instantly :)
The challenge with remapping is you lose the lever to switch between AF modes. On my E-M1.2 I trusted the Eco mode to avoid the badly located on/off switch while using the 2x2 switch to switch between AF-S and AF-C setups and set AF-S mode to AF-S+MF to deal with manual focus for non-clutch lenses.
I generally find the G9’s control layout is better, but the E-M1.2’s performance is better. As a landscape guy the G9 comes out ahead by a small amount because the AF advantages of the E-M1.2 don’t matter to me that much (I’d take the E-M1.3 though over either older body because of LiveND mode which can save me from hauling as many ND filters)
Om1n was my second Camera. The first was a Practica tl.
I just returned the 14-42 kit zoom. Been using Oly primes for years and was excited about the pancake form factor, but it did seem WAY LESS sharp than the primes. No fun to use at all.
I absolutely love the color science of the Oly ‘em-1 but I have lost opportunities on nearly every shoot trying to quickly navigate the menus-this is so frustrating.
Greetings.... great channel ....
I’ve had a G9 for nearly three years, mainly for sports and wildlife paired with PL100-400. Got some great images from it, but sometimes disappointed with bif, so thinking it was due to contrast detect af I hired an Olympus EM1X expecting the combined phase and contrast af to be a big improvement....sadly not, although I did like the Bird Tracking af. The results were honestly no better than my G9 and I missed the top screen and simpler, more intuitive menus and general layout, but the biggest issue was the poor Olympus evf, I hadn’t realised how good the G9’s is. I look forward to the V2.4 upgrade.
I totally agree Sue my exact findings as well
Have you upgraded to 2.4 yet Sue?
@@johanmarnfeldt5262 Yes Johan, it’s a definite improvement. You now have Bird/Animal detect that you can change the size of the focus area, it will pick out a bird from within branches of a tree, or other foliage quite successfully, focus is quicker too, I’m impressed 👍 I don’t take a lot of video, but having the red frame to show you are recording is much better than the small red dot.
@@sue.Hoo123 Agree. The af improvements in the last firmware update have turned me into a wildlife photographer!
I went from the EM1 mk2 ( which to this point is the bulk of my photos) to dual EM1X's because it fit my world better. I think the used EM1X mk2 is THE best deal going right now, it is a beautiful camera that does a plethora of photographic options. The options available to the photographer are staggering! Love your stuff!
“EM1X mk2”?
I also got the G9 when it was heavily discounted by Panasonic (they know how to move their cameras) whereas Olympus would only give a minor discount on their bodies. They only understood how to discount the EM1 - II, 2 years too late. I am very happy with my G9, but will not touch another M43 body (I have a GX8, and an EM5) until they release a superior sensor.
Don‘t forget Animal-AF available for the G9 in latest Update-Version.
Already on v2.3, v2.4 is due but not released just yet.
I do like how the G9 is a one-handed power-on operation but if only the top screen wasn't there and the design was more like the G85 or GH5ii with the power switch at the right thumb. I would like the main dial on the front not on the top. Minor nitpick I guess. I can grow to live with it. The olympus power button style is a minor inconvenience just like on my em5ii.
Appreciate your content! Was it just me, or can you hear a whooshing fan sound as you’re speaking? Not a big deal, but something I noticed as I’m watching with headphones on
Yes, I think my tie clip mic was not working and it was the camera one working instead. Only found out it had failed this morning. The light (and fan) was beside the camera bouncing off the wall in front of me.
Great reviews, thank you. Personally, the Olympus is my favourite. It is just awesome regardless of photo or Video. Also it has tons of character , built like a tank and perfect balance between compact yet great in the hands.... Also these will become true collectors items as I dont have a good feeling about the future of OM systems. Lumix is good value but they lose so much in the used market. Almost no sense in buying one new.... I have one and when you use it long term for video, the hunting autofocus is just such a pain. cheers from Germany.
Dpreview also remarks unsharpness when using the viewfinder at the G9
Hi, recently got a used omd mk2, previously have the lumix G7. Got the olympus cos of its 20MB, using same lumix lenses, the G7 is a much lighter camera, and certainly less confusing a menu. As a comparison using the lumix 100 - 300mm lens took photos of a crescent moon really disappointed at the olympus, shooting on "P" mode both hand held, the clarity and detail on the Lumix is awesome but the olympus is poor as is the stabilisation. I dont know if its the stabilisation on the lens or camera.
Wish got the Lumix G9. What am I doing wrong. Do I have to buy olympus MFT lenses?
I am seriously considering getting my first micro four thirds camera, the Olmpus OM-D EM1 - either the first version or the Mark 2 version. But before I commit I need to know that I will be able to get the lens that I need within my budget. What true wide angle, true macro lens do you recommend for $400 or less? I need somewhere between 10mm and 20mm and it needs to be capable of true 1:1 magnification, without the need for extension tubes or any other gimmicks - just an honest, native 1:1 macro.
Just seen this after reading your comment on another post Tom. To be honest I’m not aware of any 1:1 lenses in the 10-20mm category for M43. The widest one I’m aware of is the 30mm lumix. The problem with very wide macro lenses is you would almost need to be touching the subject to achieve the 1:1 magnification. I find the 30mm too close for my liking and the 60mm Olympus was ok for me.
What are you intending photographing?
This clip was made just right before the release of the firmware 2.4 for the G9. Which one is better now?
The autofocus took a major step up with v2.4 on the G9 but I still think that the Olympus has it with its latest updates. In fairness though they are both fast and accurate but the Olympus, in my use, seems to have a better “keeper” rate and less likely to ‘hunt’ on poor contrast images, especially with long lenses. Again though, neither are bad in my opinion although many of the commenters disagree.
You can set the Olympus to have the eye proximity sensor disabled if the screen is flipped out. It cures one of your issues.
Yes, I know. I like the auto sense but just find it too sensitive and it means the camera has to be held too far from my body if i want to use the rear screen at a low level
@@ThatMicro43Guy I'm not sure you understand what I mean but maybe you do. The switch can be set so if the screen is flipped away from the body of the camera, the auto switching will not take place. Gear menu, item I, set to On2. It doesn't help if the screen isn't flipped out. It will still auto switch, but if you flip the screen out like I do for waist level shooting, it's a great help.
My flippy screen is always turned in for protection, I never chimp, just wait till I get home to see the results. I also use the ECO mode and I have NEVER run out of steam. I mean with the WYSIWYG, why chimp!
You did seem to give the "win" in each category more to the G9 but then said the E-M1 was your preferred camera. I think you probably feel more "at home" with the E-M1 so your evaluation does help me and I am genuinely looking to buy one of these in the next month or so. I know you share lenses between both cameras but is the stabilisation better if you keep the lens matched with the body? I do tend to shoot at the longer distances so stabilisation is important to me (maybe it is not to you?). Thanks for the video Brian, very useful. Now about tripods for travelling...
Yes, the “points” win does seem to go with the G9 but I think this is the value of a real use rather than specification lead review, the individual human element, which is why I advise to go and try each one. In truth the cameras are so close to each other and both more than capable of any photo assignment.
I think that if you predominantly use long lenses that I would stick with the same bran of body and lens. I use the lumix 100-300 which has in lens stability and if used on the G9 or GX8 adds to the overall ibis. It is less stable when used with the Olympus. But I’m also an old school photographer who tries to brace against things when shooting for stability so rarely rely purely on the ibis alone. That said, I now rarely (never) use a tripod for stills unless in bulb mode. So my advice for a travel tripod is wasted as I don’t use one. Sorry
Best wishes
@@ThatMicro43Guy Good points and thank you
IF you plan to shoot videos, the EM1.2 preamps totally disqualify the camera for that purpose. please verify that before you make a mistake like I did.
@@TigerCarpenter who uses in-camera audio for serious work?
@@joeltunnah most people use in-camera preamps, and the wireless microphone receiver plugged into them.
we are talking here about the M43 cameras.
and comparing EM1.2 to G9, which are in the same class, G9 has 10 times better preamps, which makes a huge difference.
we are not talking about the TV studios here or are we?
Have a 1st world problem.
Misplaced my G9 and was going to a workshop I wanted to use this body. Found a used EMD1 Mii for $400 with the charger and an additional battery. Very good price. Then I found the G9 in time for the workshop. Now I have the G9 and EMD1 Mii. These two bodies are more similar than different. Does anybody need both bodies?
I am setting up the Olympus and will use it for a while. My intention is to sell one of the bodies as their functionality overlaps so much. The good news is there is no hurry to make a decision. I have both Olympus and Panasonic lenses. I gave an EMD5 to a co-worker as I wasn’t using it and I wanted to help him. I was constantly amazed by the colors that came out of the Olympus vs. the Panasonic.
Of course I could keep both. Can’t have too many bodies. I’m sure both bodies produce wonderful images. At this point I don’t know what I’m going to do. Any thoughts?
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
So did you end up selling one? And if so, which one?
If buying either used, I would consider the fact that the G9 is still actively supported and even has another firmware upgrade on the way.
what upgrade? like an update?
@@A1Bokeh Apparently, another major firmware update, which should be available 7 June.
Actually, the E-M1 II is also still produced and sold by Olympus.
@@kemerthomson what makes you think Olympus cameras are no longer “actively supported”? The camera division was sold, not closed. They just released a brand new lens last month.
The last E-M1.2 firmware was released in Dec 2020. The last G9 firmware was released in Nov 2021. Both have seen pretty steady updates over their long model runs
I have the EM1.2 and like the feel, size and handling. However, the AF sometimes is very frustrating. I have tried a friend's G9 side by side with my Oly and on the same subject, such as a bird or subject with low contrast, the EM1 would often mis-focus driving me mad, while the G9 would lock focus in an instant.
If you are using a Panasonic OIS zoom, that can well be down to the Dual-IS on the G9. Olympus can use Body-IS or the Lens-IS but not both. With extra-long lenses try switching to Lens-IS. The Dual2 on the G9 is fantastic for stabilising framing and getting an instant AF-Lock, especially long lenses on birds.
My E-M5ii will only handle the no-OIS Sigma 50-500 (Bigma) on the tripod. If you have splashed out (used of course) for the Leica 100-400 the G9 thinks it's a toy but the E-M5ii struggles with it (and the 100-300), although it handles the G45-200 mark.1 (no Dual-IS on G9) or mark.2 (Dual2 on G9) well. With the 100-400 on the G9, the Bigma is a bit redundant but comes back into play as an astrophotography telescope lens.
@@jeffslade1892 I used the Oly 300mm f/4 on both bodies.
@@sarawaklens2964 The Oly 300 is one of the few lenses to provide Synch-IS on the later Olympus backs but does not Dual-IS on a Lumix. They're supposed to be compatible but the lens tech has diverged.
Most of my lenses are Lumix because they have the OIS which works on both makes. I've often found the heavier the camera, the better it steadies a big lens; the GH4 handles the 100-300 quite well with only lens OIS, but it does have to be held rock steady like a rifle to get focus; the E-M5ii is tiny.
@@jeffslade1892 E-M5.2 is not even in the running for BIF. I had one for years and then got a E-M1 Mkii and it was next level performance with firmware 3.0. And the E-M1 mkiii and the E-M1X are way ahead of that with AI assist for BIF.
@@markhoffman9655 - "Birds In Flight" I had to look up. And no the Em5ii is not that snappy on focus, hence my used G9 and used Leica 100-400 and upgrade 45-200 Mk.2 giving me instant focus lock. All the Dual2 capable lenses are bang-on for instant focus lock on the G9.
The problem with contrast detection and DFD is the image has to be motionless when framing, big lenses jiggle about, and then the DFD has a slight edge over the limited phase detection on the new Olympus backs, basically because phase needs more light to compare (based on experiments I carried out with the Nikon D600).
But all this is not about technical features but understanding the camera you have in order to take the best shots. I don't have just one camera. I've been collecting MFT for a long while. I shoot with both Olympus and Lumix. I do still shoot film; there's the SLR and a Box Brownie that leaks like a sieve. I do still use the G5.
The best camera is the one you have in your hand.
I'm more of a casual shooter and never got fully comfortable with the menus and functions of my EM1 Mk1. I bought a G9 several years back and found that (for me) the menus and controls were much easier to use - especially if I wasn't shooting all the time. I also found the G9's grip much nicer for my big chunky hands - and I also use a wrist strap nearly 100% of the time. You don't mention it, but I also like the double stabilization with Lumix lenses and the G9.
The new menu on the em1x and em1 markiii are much easier
I have the g9 and the 100-400mm
Nice Light comb g9 is a just right for people with big hand
There are Olympus lenses with dual IS.
You can assign the power switch on your camera to the function lever on the right-hand side, making one-handed operation easy. There is a demo on this video th-cam.com/video/MVsC5SHfu-I/w-d-xo.html at 12.26.
I was about to make the same comment.
I know, but then I use the quick reassignment of the function buttons to their secondary role.
Thanks for showing. I prefer the colour rendition (vivid) and the EVF with Olympus. The EVF looks more natural to me with Olympus. On the other hand, i love the L.Monochrome black and white profile with Lumix. What i don't like at all with Lumix Cameras (GX serie) is the fact that you can't deactivate the AEL on the shutter release button. Or is that possible with the G9? Because i always shoot with central spot-AF and pan the camera to the desired image section before releasing the shutter.
Yes - "back button" autofocus is what I have used on my almost since the day I got it - divorced completely from the shutter button.
Have you used the G9? The EVF on it is grossly superior to the E-M1’s. The E-M1’s are better than the GX series EVF though.
AE lock on the shutter half-press is fixed on the G9 unlike the Olympus, You can move AF off the shutter though (which I have done, I’m a BBAF guy)
You can turn off the EVF proximity sensor on all of the Olympus cameras.
4k50 on the G9, not present on the Olympus
G9 Pros and Cons résumé :
+better grip
+better menus
+better EVF
+10 bit (Is EM1 8 bit ?)
+better joystick
+better one hand operation
+Faster cards possibility on the two slot vs 1 slot
+power via usb
+full size HDMI
-Live mode is not live (haha)
-No keystone correction ?
-Buttons more sensitive
-Feel less sturdy
-Olympus look better
When I first tried the Lumix G9, the Very FIRST thing I noticed, and it put me off the Camera from the getGo, was the hyper-sensitive shutter release! I'd be amazed, if Brain hasn't ever had any accidental shutter firing during use??
I meant to say that and only realised after I’d uploaded that I’d forgotten.
It is “hair trigger” on the G9. You do get used to it quickly and it stops being a problem. The difficulty was going back to the Olympus which seemed as though it was never going to take the photo for the first couple of shots as it needed so much movement in comparison.
Again, after a couple of shots I didn’t notice it.
I really like the shutter on my G9 it’s very useful for sport and wildlife shots. I can see it would have been an issue in film camera times, but what does it matter if you take one or two, or even 20 extra shots with digital?
@@sue.Hoo123 It's an ergonomic or tactile concern Sue, you're a female I take it, and perhaps have smaller lighter fingers than a male. I haven't got sausage fingers btw, but I found the Shutter release a dam nuisance, it has been highlighted in other Reviews. You're obviously okay with it, but it stopped my purchase dead. Buyer beware perhaps??
I agree, having both Oly EM 1.2 and G9 you do notice the hair trigger shutter on the G9
@@Brightsparks1960 I suppose what I'm taking about here is, compared to my Olympus Cameras. I, like a number of photographers routinely do, if you want to Focus-Lock using the Shutter Button, then recomposing the Picture in the Viewfinder before final Shutter Release, the G9's sensitivity was such that I'd fire the Shutter. Now I've used other electronic shutter releases, even on say the low budget cameras like the Sony HX400V Bridge Cam, which is nothing special, the release is fine, it has some "shutter button-travel" or be it not a great amount, but it gives tactile-feedback. I wonder if other panasonic cameras like the G5 is also the same??
I really enjoyed your comparison. I do have one question if you don't mind, I still own two Olympus micro 4/3 non stabilised lenses [12-40mm and 75 1.8mm] and i can get a good deal on a G9 at the moment. Will the IBIS on the G9 work with my non stabilised Olympus lenses?
Yes, it will perfectly including on video. I found that it didn’t on video on some of the earlier Lumix cameras with non IS lenses, but the G9 is fine. Go for it, I’m sure you’ll love it.
Brian I have watched your TH-cam from the start and think its great, however I would like to question your comment on jpeg and raw file sizes. I have a G9 and shoot one card to raw and one to jpeg fine, the raw files are just over twice the size of the jpeg?, I recently commented on a a video from Kim Grant a Scottish photographer who said jpeg files were 4 mb, but got no reply. I am confused and concerned could you please clarify your 10 times bigger comment. Keep up the good work. Roy
Yes, I’ll give you that. Just looking at the average size of files on my hard drive. Most of my JPEG’s are 3-5Mb most of my raw around the corresponding raw being around 5 times the size.
On my hard drive my jpeg from the G9 are 8.4 to 10.8 don't know why this should be unless your jpegs are set to a low quality.
PS my raw are 23 to 25
@@royhinchliffe5636 a lot depends on the content of the photograph in how the compression is enacted on that raw info. If there is a lot of repetitive flat colour or a lack of pattern then the compression is far better than a highly complex image. This may be why. I do a lot of studio portraits against high and low key backgrounds
¿What lens did you use to record yourself?
I think this was my 17mm f1.8 Olympus
@@ThatMicro43Guy I believe you said you recorded yourself with the G85 . ¿How come I do not see any AF issues, did you focus yourself manually? To my understanding Olympus lenses do not work well with Panasonic cameras...
@@ruylastra7249 a GX8 not a G85
Not hearing your lav mic? Whats the fan noise? What are you recording on?
What the best lowlight between g9 vs em1 Mark ii
Ill be honest, I’ve never directly compared them and I’ve never had reason to find one better over the other in normal use. I tend not to do reviews against benchmarks or by trying to get too caught up on the science or the specs, I report how I find it in the field, in use. And in use I have not noticed a difference at all.
I thought about adding a G9 to my collection in excellent condition for $935 but ended up with a like new EM-1k ii with a shutter count of 840 for only $699 which was too good a deal to pass on. I tend to prefer Olympus and they are getting much harder to find since ownership changed. Good review.
from this .. id say the Lumix takes it.. the reason i think its not your "go to" is because historically, your an Olympus guy.
i like Lumix anyway.. but nice too see Olympus has a fully articulated screen like the Lumix has..hate those sony style tilt crap things.. sadly i see Olympus still uses them on many models..
guess in 2021 g90 is still the coolest walk around m43 camera... but i don't trust dfd anymore... i've got mint em1 mk2 with less than 1500 actuations for 580€, i'll stay with oly for 3 -4yrs now till g110 comes out with specs on par with mk3 and until that g110 starts to go for less than 600€ on 2nd hand market
G90/95 is a fantastic camera for not much money when it’s on sale. I got mine for $797 USD with the great 12-60 kit lens included.
I have 2 G9's and have really fought with the idea trading one to purchase the Oly! I have some excellent Olympus lenses and I'm surprised that the comments have mentioned the dual IBIS you get with the use of like lenses. That's the very point of my contention for wanting the Mark II in lieu of 2 G9's. Your piece here was excellent and straightforward!
I agree with your thinking. See above comment. If you have not got a macro lens get the Oly 60mm, it will do in body stacking in tyhe Oly, but not in the G9 and the autofocus is instant, whereas the Leica Pan says, hang on while I think about it. The pro capture on the Oly is terrific, but the animal detect after the 2.4 update is great in the G9.
The thing is that there’s only about 3 lenses with SyncIS on Olympus, the 12-100, the 300 and the 150-400. There’s many more DualIS 2 lenses on Panasonic and all OIS lenses do DualIS 1 (the couple Olympus lenses with IS but without SyncIS do not do any sync with Oly IBIS) . SyncIS outperforms DualIS 2 though,
@@adam_mawz_maas, Good thing I have 2 out 3 lol! :) I'll try to find that list of Pana lenses, that would be good to know!
@@MrFirstdance2000 I’m confused by your comments. The G9 definitely has dual stabilization.
@@joeltunnah If you'll note in my statement, the dual IS gained from using an Olympus lens with camera would make that an advantage to me vs. my G9's and specifically 2 Olympus lenses. I have both the 12-100 and 300 mm lenses. This is why I purchased the Olympus M1Mkii. I did not rid myself of the G9 which shoots wonderfully with a number of my Olympus lenses. At this point, the only Panasonic lens I might want would be the 12mm which of course, does not carry the dual OIS. I hope that makes sense and apologize for my poorly worded previous post.
In the things which really matter to me - IBIS, Autofokus, size and weight, and color science (this one is obviously quite subjective) - the Olympus is better than G9. That's why I choose the Olympus.
But G9 is more comfortable.
I have the G9 and the EM5 mk iii, which has the focus system of the EM1 mk ii. The G9 is just as fast, if not more so. I’m pretty sure the G9 has the same IBIS performance too, especially with dual IS which Olympus doesn’t have.
I own the EM 1 mkii and my backup camera is the Panny Gx9, i looked at the G9 but as my main shooter I wanted phase detect auto focus but I prefer the rangefinder style of the GX9
I have both EM1.2 and G9 and ALL Olympus PRO lenses.
the deal breaker for me was the unacceptable preamps sound quality of the EM1.2, while G9 has a superb preamps = sound quality.
so because I gradually shifted from taking photos to making videos, the choice is very simple. I'm sorry to disappoint EM1.2 users but your sound will disqualify your camera for the videos. that's why Olympus came up with that external sound recorder, but that's another expense, and weight, and burden.
initially I thought Olympus was superior in Auto Focus, because it's using phase detection + contrast detection, but with G9 FW 2.3 (now waiting for S5 inherited AF in ver 2.4 coming up in few days = 6th of June 2021) the Auto Focus honestly never failed me. I have to admit though that G9 AF on ultra wide lenses causes so much pulsing that you will HAVE TO use Manual Focus or it would drive you crazy. on the 12-40mm Olympus PRO lenses, G9 AF works perfectly well.
I also can confirm that G9 works best with Olympus PRO lenses, which might be counter intuitive, but I have both Leica and Olympus PRO lenses, and there is not a shadow of a doubt that Olympus PRO lenses are superior in any shape or form. AF speed acquiry by G9 with Olympus PRO lenses is actually faster that when using Leica lenses. and Olympus PRO lenses just look sharper and have better colours, better bokeh / background blur rendering, plus Manual Focus clutch for instant overwrite of AF when you need it quick, just snap manual focus ring clutch, and focus on the exact spot you want.
Do you see that the image stabilization is better with Panasonic lenses on the G9?
@@zilveruitje most of the time I record videos of the workout / training, using the tripod.
occasionally I carry the camera to the forest and then record action while holding it in my hand(s).
G9 seems to have better IBIS, because of the slightly bigger chassis, the IBIS has more room to wiggle on the springs, on which the sensor is suspended like on the gimble.
that's why in general M43 cameras have better IBIS than full frame cameras, because FF sensor is huge, and body is "small" hence no room for a good IBIS movement.
EM1.2 also has superb IBIS, I would say almost identical to G9.
definitely the O.I.S. (Optical Image Stabilization) in Leica lenses PLUS IBIS work better, especially when you shoot with tele lens, and any small movement is amplified by the big focal length of the lens.
however Olympus PRO lenses deliver much sharper image quality, better / smoother creamy bokeh rendering, feel more rugged and better sealed (I used them in tropical jungle pouring rain, and in Singapore water park). I would rather put the camera on tripod or monopod with Olympus PRO lenses, than use Leica lenses, despite they have OIS.
I have both EM1.2 amd G9, and both Leica and Olympus PRO lenses, and I compared ALL possible combinations, and not only myself, but asking independent judges (people not camera literate), which images / videos they liked better, and it was ALWAYS G9 with Olympus PRO lenses. I asked many people, as if I was making a survey, to confirm my own observations.
also Olympus PRO lenses are much better made. you will feel it in an instant once you hold them, and rotate the focus ring etc.
@@TigerCarpenter Thanks, that's good to know. I only have Panasonic lenses so far, a bunch of them, and a G80 and an E-M5. And I may upgrade to the G9 or the E-M1 II.
@@zilveruitje I'm sorry for the Olympus, as it was my first choice image quality wise, and overall user experience. but if you want to make videos, then you need to use external sound recorder, as Olympus sound is totally unusable. I even bought the external stereo microphone for Olympus hoping it would solve the problem (and it was expensive) but it didn't. then I knew for sure the problem lies in the preamps and can;t be fixed.
I spent hours trying to tune the wireless microphone level, and Olympus preamps level, making notes, recording 20 seconds sample sentences, and trying to correct them in post production. yes I did find a "sweet spot" where the sound was somewhat usable, but then when my G9 arrived, out of the box the sound was pristine, and I said goodbye to Olympus (gave to my wife who is more into photography).
@@TigerCarpenter I think I prefer the G9 too, but I haven't used either of them yet. Lately, I mainly take photos, but video is good to have as an option. I also understand that the G9's autofocus for photos is better than the Em1 II's. The main reasons I would buy another MFT camera is: for better autofocus, a few more pixels (20 mb instead of 16), and I assume better dynamic range, low light performance, a little less noise. But the G9's video extras are also welcome.
I'm very interested in your comparison of these two cameras. My personal conclusion is almost the same as yours. In lots of ways the G9 is better than the E-M1 mk II, I've had the G9 over 2 years now and love it.I bought the Olympus as a grey import for £639 with 3 year warranty. I've had the Olympus for just over a month now, being a glasses wearer I initially struggled with the E-M1's viewfinder, the G9 is much more comfortable and detailed. I've got used to this now though. Olympus design beautiful cameras, it's really a work of art and I love the pictures I get from it. I've been frustrated with the G9 with BIF shots and my PL100-400, I'm definitely getting much better results with the Olympus, it locks on focus very quickly and stays with the bird. Maybe the upcoming firmware for the G9 will help in this respect. Both cameras are well matched in most respects but my go to camera at the moment is the Olympus not because it's a new toy but because I love the pictures.
I have the em1x and love it its so easy to use
G9 is a little harder to learn
My EM1X times 2 is THE replacement for my beloved E-5 with the grip, and the 12-60 SWD (which I still have), funny thing is that the E-5,grip, and the 12-60 SWD is about 200 grams heavier than the EM1X, and the amazing 12-100 f4 pro :)
@@ridealongwithrandy my daughter does wedding she wore out my 12-60mm
Now she has my 12-40mm
So i bought the 12-100mm it stays on my em1x 90%
And my 100-400mm stays on the g9
Ergonomics(10) and layout (10)and menu(8), EVF(10)going to the G9, but despite all these facts I sold my one and got the Em1 ii instead.
Ergonomics (9),Layout (8),menu(6),EVF(8)
But soo much better AF and my results are just looking better overall.
If the mark iii would have a better EVF I would go for it. So I keep the mark 2.
Are you talking about stills AF, or video? For stills I don’t know what you were shooting, or how the testing was done, but no way. I have the G9 and EM5.3, and the G9 has the better overall AF system. I’m talking about number of in focus keepers.
After that I have always been an oly guy.
The only question is perhaps in the shooting moving people, that kind of thing. The Olympus has phase detect the Panasonic not. One wonders given the software updates etc. If the Olympus is really actually much better at all or not. Panasonic has no phase detect at all, so one really wonders if there is much difference there. Also one may wonder about battery life, which seems to last more. I know the G9 has a pretty large battery. Best wishes!
I’m finding battery life to be around the same up to now. Best answer is that it wasn’t reported because it has not become an issue for me in the normal shooting environment. I always carry a charged spare and expect to use it during a full days shoot but don’t expect to use a second. Bot cameras appear to fit that bill
For me and my small hands the oly is better ergonomics, The g9 is to chunkey. The oly and my hands is a perfect match.
I don't regret selling my g9 for an Em1mk2
I shoot mainly sports and the g9 was marketed as a 7d mk2 equivalent or a baby 1dx... yes it shoots a lot of pictures, but the ratio I had with the focus off was way too high... and the video pulsing drove me insane...
Really interesting, especially about the keeper ratio. Thanks
You don't indicate which lens or lenses you used. Perhaps it was the lens and not the camera.
@@HappyGrl41 12-60 panaleica, 15mm panaleica, 45mm olympus 1.8... all perform much better on my em1mk2... phase detect autofocus helps a lot for what i shoot (mma and skateboarding)
I wonder why people over 50s prefer m4/3?)
Size, weight, price, features, lens selection.
@@joeltunnah thanks)
much better to show results in a comparison. just you talking is nice, but does not communicate. hit the street and take like photos/videos with both and THEN show us. ps Tony is full of it regarding micro 4.3 he and his wife produce videos to make MONEY, not to educate you and me. can't figure why they have such a big following. they make mistakes. Marty of Marty Sender You Tube in the USA.
I dont agree with any of what you wrote
The trouble with taking nice photos on a TH-cam video is just that, I show nice photos. They don’t show what the camera will do. Unless you go to pixel peeking levels the compression on the video will get rid of any differences and as none of the output devices are colour corrected then any colours seen are not as per the photo. As I said in the video, I can discern little to no difference in the picture quality except perhaps a slight colour balance so if I can’t see it on the original at home then you won’t see it online.
@@ThatMicro43Guy everyone else doing these so called comparison tests does it. and you CAN see any differences. only got 2000 subs? try my advice.
I'm glad he didn't have a boring comparison section( 'cos he thought there'd be no difference).There is a place for different styles and room for all.
@@robinbennett3531 i agree Robin. I was not meaning to put them down ....they have made plenty of mistakes. in their reviews. but honestly the primary motivation is to support that Beamer and big house in Connecticut. And, for the record here finally there is nothing wrong with that. I just think that so called influencers should be totally honest. I ain't the photography vlog police. But I do have an opinion.
MFT is dead.
Wow, that reasoned argument must have taken hours of deep thought
@@ThatMicro43Guy nope shallow and cheap just like you guessed it: Micro, Four, Thirds.
@@erichramone7812 maybe you’re watching the wrong channel at a guess
@@ThatMicro43Guy I was just kidding around.
@@erichramone7812 sorry, misread you. Best wishes
Get to the point instead all the waffles.