@@Batman-zd6jp that’s exactly what I thought, which is why I think Kang dynasty and secret wars is basically part 1 and 2. Like infinity war and endgame were 2 parts to one story
@@jackviner5181 Right because there a too many crucial characters in this film for it to be a one part movie. they wont be able to achieve enough in one movie.
Decent writing - that's what I'd like to see. It's turned into the Corporate Disney machine that keeps churning out sh*te with the Star Wars or Marvel label on it.
@@tokiyakillsinsight160 it's a good idea. All the recent films just aren't tying in with each other, there isn't build up. The writing isn't as good, it's relying on previous marvel films. Having Galactus as the main villain for this new series of Marvel films is a good idea.
It's still unbelievable that Secret Wars is actually getting an adaptation. And I agree, it will be the biggest and the best superhero crossover event of all time.
@@racool911 Well, if they can follow the source material perfectly, then it will be the best of the best. But, if they change too many of the stuff, then who knows how it will turn out to be.
@shiberu Endgame wasn't announced in 2008 though. It was announced in 2014 as Infinity War part 2. If we take Endgame as the final result of the MCU's 10 years' progress, then technically, Secret Wars will have 17 years to be built up. Although, that's still a pretty small amount of time compared to how Secret Wars Volume 3 had a 30 years long build up in comics. But I have high expectations since, Secret Wars Volume 3 is "The Best" in case of comic book storylines.
It seems more likely that Secret Wars 3 (2015) is what is going to be adapted, given all the the talk of convergences and stuff, but it would not surprise me at all if elements from Secret Wars and Secret Wars II were also adapted into the overall story of Secret Wars 3.
Yeah I think that it will be more like the more recent secret wars with some elements of the original, like Peter getting the symbiote (although maybe not after the post credit scene of NWH).
No I think they are taking ideas from all the adaptations and putting in the movie cause you have to think about the projects coming before secret wars everything has to make since in some way
i don’t know dude, marvel has been putting out really lazy projects and now we’re gonna have secret wars so soon? I feel like that’s not enough time to build up to secret wars
Secret Wars is 100% getting delayed. Doctor Doom cant go from normal to frickin god emperor in the span of 1 year. So either hes gonna be there A LOT or the movie gets delayed to sometime in 2026
They definitely not giving the vfx teams enough time to make these projects be as good as they could be. Marvel has just become a factory trying to put as many things out as possible regardless of quality
@@coupe1000 2025 is only 3 years from now. It took a decade to get to Infinity War & Endgame but they’re putting out Secret Wars in half that time and almost half the time already passed with majority of the projects being underwhelming.
@@117MasterSpartan That'll still he better than wasting 3 hrs in endgame. There will be much more heroes and villains, you can't just make a 2 hr movie for that.
I wouldn't mind if marvel repeated same writers that built phase 3 Favreau, Russo Bros. Markus and McFeely, and brought back Scott Derrickson and got the hell out of the way and casted better actors that stayed off twitter and didn't inject goddamn politics in to everything. Nobody fan-boying over phase 4 and it shows in the audience scores and box office. It isn't hero fatigue , its bad movie fatigue.
The 1980s version of Secret Wars is what got me into comics when I was a teen. I heard that the was a comic where someone threw a mountain at the Avengers and Hulk had to stay pissed to keep it from crushing them and I said "Now that's what's up!"
That 80s version included original cap and iron man and a raw, unleashed Wolverine. In this current Marvel it is extremely doubtful it will have the same impact of that 80s comic. Just the wrong era, man.
infinity war and endgame were filmed at same time and it caused multiple behind the scenes problems. So 2 avengers films in 1 year will cause way too many problems.
Secret Wars will most likely be pushed to 2026, I doubt they'll have two Avengers movies in one year. It's a good thing because they will have more time and the movie will be better because of that delay.
I hope Avengers Secret Wars will be a hybrid of Jim Shooter’s 1984 Secret Wars and Jonathan Hickman’s 2014 Secret Wars. Considering we are going to see coverages and mutilverses, the three main villains will be Kang, Doctor Doom and The Beyonder. We’ve seen Cosmic gods so far. At the end of Avengers Secret Wars, we can see Galactus in the end.
Its a pity the normies will even understand it or follow it .... without MARKETABLE , LIKEABLE characterisations from actors , none of that matters, where as RDJ, Hemsworth , Evans, and Chris Pratt were able to gain interest from casual viewers, because they were likeable, charismatic and didn't insert politics into everything. Eternals was a freaking flop as well. A lot of good actors shoved into something they couldn't communicate to the audience by a bad indy director that shouldn't have bee given a tent pole film. Eternals needed Denis Villeneuve. Someone who understands epic world building.
@@rocknroll1973 doosmday builds up dr doom, fantastic 4 builds up galactus, and the beyonder and molecule man along with dr doom and galactus fight agaisnt fantastic 4, spider man, avengers, perhaps xmen but atleast wolverine as we seen him in deadpool. its gonna be epic
The first Secret Wars was a watershed event not only because it had so many beings in it but it was cannon that influenced and inspired hundreds of story lines following for years. You could even say it created a new age for the Marvel Multiverse.
Thank you very much all of you who put this excellent video together! I'm jeff from The MCU'S Bleeding Edge TH-cam channel/ Podcast, and I geuss people don't bother giving other creators credit anymore when they are helped by vids like this, but I just wanted you to know I have always made sure to vocally give credit to all of you and your channel, any time I have learned something from you that helped me in preparing my shows, topics, segment's, etc .... I'm a old school Marvel comics collector but it's nice sometimes to just be able to watch something like this and get a quick refresher on the story of SW.
@@parsman9914 seems like it's a problem a lot of people have. Their movies of late haven't exactly been ragers. Spider-man is partSony. But otherwise, nothing they've done post endgame have been particularly huge, financially.
@@timgonzales2891 I mean it’s been very profitable for Disney just not the 1 billion that End Game made. The MCU has been so obscenely profitable they could lose money on a few movies and still have a near mythical amount of money.
I really want to see that show of strength from The Hulk! That would be amazing to see on screen! I also hope the X-Men and the Young Avengers participate in the cinematic Secret Wars!
Dr Doom is such a traitor and overrated character. One time he sides with the good team, then he play public enemy no 1. I want to see The Beyonder bury this a-hole when they clash.
With a Secret Wars inspired by the most recent one they could also bring new actors to play other versions of characters already established, like Thor, Iron Man... therefore continue using these characters by renewing actors that are getting old, and maybe telling new stories that happened differently
Problem is the renewed actors are KNOWN, popular and are able to deliver. new actors are cheaper, and will just say rubber stamped lines and forced politicalisation which is obvious if you've been paying attention. "other versions" have sucked. ..they even made Christian Bale look bad in Thor Love and Blunder.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 well, yeah, but still, at some point you can't keep the same actor to play the same character again and again for decades. First Iron Man came out in 2008, that was 14 years ago, first Thor came out on 2011... I mean, depending on the age they were when they started they could keep going, but at some point they do have to retire (and Hemsworth decided to retire from acting due to a deficient gene that could get him a specific disease so he wants to spend time with family).
Regardless of which version of Secret Wars they do (personally I think they will go with 2015 version and end it with a soft reboot of the MCU to allow killed off characters to come back and be recast) the most important character they need to develop between now and then is Owen Reece
Phase 5 will likely be shit and low budget just like the current. Disney is literally in their dark ages right now with ass box office bombs, until they stop being woke for good and stop prioritizing cheap money saving content, then they could get back on their feet which will lead to masterpieces.
10:20 if you think about it, this could be use to explain why we didnt saw the f4 before. What i mean is that maybe in the previous multiverse when kang's variants fought, the beyonder choosed the F4 to reshape the new multiverse at the end of loki s1. If the timeline is cyclic maybe this could work. I also like the idea of them being trapped into the quantum relm with kang.
If the twist at the end of avengers 5 is what I think it will be, plus secret wars probably bringing back fan favourites (iron man, cap, the fox wolverine, basically the doctor strange cameos on steroids) I think that it could be on the same level as endgame. But I agree I don't think that it will be bigger just purely due to how much cultural weight endgame had as the ending of the infinity saga, which was partly what made it such a huge film.
idk man i feel like people are too willing to write off marvel just because things aren’t as interesting as they were in phase 3. Remember, they had to build up to that. Things in the MCU right now might seem to have lower stakes now that Thanos is gone but it won’t stay that way for long.
Hoping this is better than expected because now MCU putting a lot of projects that affects their quality. Wishing the storyline will be better too than Endgame 🙏🏻
Same, my thing for the MCU or just Marvel I’m tired of getting these B-Side ass character shows and movies, let me know when the X-Men and Fantastic 4 show up.
@@cameronpalmer401 exactly. I don't care about Ms marvel, I am groot, and she hulk. I am very much indifferent towards BP 2 so there's not really anything for me to look forward to from marvel this year.
Ive been saying since the passing of Chadwick Boseman that it is going to be revealed that Dr Doom was the one who killed T'Challa. Doom wanted to invade Wakanda to upgrade his armor with vibranium but T'Challa stops him but succumbs to his wounds from the fight. It may not be revealed in BP2, hopefully we get him in the post-credit scene a la Thanos in the first Avengers movie but eventually it'll come out that it was Doom.
Tobey Maguire Spider-Man, Ben Affleck Daredevil, Thomas Jane Punisher, Wesley Snipes Blade, Eric Bana Hulk, Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider, and The Fantastic Four 2005. All interacting with each other and fighting together in Secret Wars. Childhood 👍🏼
I'm glad you astutely hit on all the iconic moments from the original Secret Wars series and explained why it's so important that Marvel includes them within the movie counterparts, for that series is paramountly foundational in everything they've done since.
This actually was in Spider man The animated Series with Madam Web and The Beyonder. It was one of the best short arcs ever that no one will ever know....................
Only thing im thinking about the most rn is how that wallpaper is going to look with all the different heroes just circling each other getting ready to throw hands with an alternate version of their ally.
I respectfully disagree, seeing the current cast of the MCU there is 0 character development in any of them and the damage has been done good writing isn't going to make them lovable. The only way I see if secret wars is bigger than endgame is IF legacy characters like iron man, cap and rest of the original avengers make their return.
What do you think Secret Wars is going to be like in the MCU? Do you think we will see the Beyonder in Avengers Kang Dynasty and Avengers Secret Wars or will we see him before that?
The ending is whats important here. They left out to rebuild the multiverse, one universe at a time. Fiege already said MCU Secret Wars was gonna be a reset of the MCU. This could be crazy
I said it in your Kang Dynasty predictions and I’ll say it again. A story like this in Avengers Secret Wars could be immensely significant for the end of the Multiverse Saga. It could also become a greater film than even Avengers Endgame.
How when there are zero likeable or marketable characters .. Brie Larson??? Spiderman tom holland sure, but who else? It wont remotely be on the level of Avengers Endgame because the actors popularity in their roles defined the character arcs leading into Endgame. No Black Panther? (Chadwick) No Tony Stark (RDJ), No Cap No Black Widow? None of the current iteration has matched their popularity! And the current writers are freaking AWFUL! did you see She-Hulk!?
Yeah but the Venom Symbiote is in Mexico and Spider-Man is in New York. I doubt the Symbiote can make it to New York by itself and we don't even know if the Symbiote still has any intention to go see Spider-Man. It'll most likely be thrown/dragged into Battleworld and that's when we get Symbiote-suit Spider-Man.
@@abivalentin8331 I can see some sort of research company getting their hands on it and bringing it to New York for study. Basically a live action version of what happened in Spectacular Spider-Man.
Yeah there were some bad movies in the Infinity Saga but at least they were consistent with building the story instead of individual ones with no correlation to eachother
I was thinking that kang wins in avengers 5 but right at the end of the film just as he's creating a new sacred timeline, doom defeats him and then becomes the big villain of secret wars. Considering that they're starting to set him up as a big behind the scenes character in wakanda forever and I wouldn't be surprised if he has been linked to other events in phase 4 and the thunderbolts, it kind of makes sense and I think they'll use the end of this phase and the whole of the next phase to set him up as someone who can out plan and out smart kang. Also you need a big twist between the two films and that would be a huge twist, not just having the villain win but the villain being defeated by another villain and everyone waking up in a crazy new universe where that villain rules supreme.
@@Oregonman2011 yeah it wouldn't be huge in comic fan an die hard mcu fans circles, just like the thanos snap wasn't but I was talking more general audiences.
I see people theorizing that Kang will take the beyonder role and Scarlet witch take the molecule man role. And that in Kang dynasty. It’ll be about the new avengers coming together to take down Kang and his variants but other variants from other earths will come to earth 616 to battle them. Then Doom would either betray Kang or gain the powers and create battle world which leads to secret wars. I can see the Avengers “win” but it’s too late in Avengers Kang Dynasty and the screen cuts to black as the multiverse has collapsed. Then in Avengers secret wars it starts with doom
if they are really careful with it, pick the perfect actors, and comic book/ realistic customs for both beyonder and dr. doom it would be perfect for avengers: secret wars.
It's the mcu, that's what they do, when haven't they picked perfect actors and made great costumes that are a good balance between the comics and realistic outfits that look good in live action.
@@martinbauzon7450 Agreed. If they are going to make this they need to get people who really understands the Marvel Universe and its continuity. Avengers and Iron Man were sucessful movies because of Josh Weedon and say what you will about his moral conduct the guy was a comic book writer before he became a film maker Weedon truly understood comic book characters
You forgot that Iron Man in the original Secret Wars was not Tony Stark, but James Rhodes, and there also some other things about the original Secret Wars comic you didn't point out, such as how is Professor X is able to walk, and why Invisible Woman and Kitty Pryde weren't in the story.
For those who don’t know who is the Beyonder. He’s the youngest race of the Beyonders, only ones more powerful than the Celestials. With the power, he took parts of Earth and other planets in the universe to create Battleworld. Until he was defeated by a huge group of superheroes, after the Molecule Man intervenes and kills him, while he had temporarily transformed into an infant in the midst of a re-birthing process
Get more credible writers for such a big movie. Not writers like Loveness or Waldron who merely have written any big budget movies ever in their lives.
I wouldn't be surprised if they use Secret Wars to basically merge various different Multiverse characters into the MCU, like this is how we get Miles Morales and X-Men.
I can’t imagine if Symbiote Spider-Man makes his debut on this film? Just picturing him in the middle of this War is epic. Marvel is gonna break records with film! (Again for like the 3rd time) 😂👌
No one ever mentions how massive the ‘85 Secret War crossoves in the comic books was. I remember it even crossed over into the New Mutants. Can’t wait!
It will be like that ‘Memegame’ video where every character from every movie and show ever join in the action through Doctor Strange (and possibly Loki/TVA) portals! It will be the largest movie event of *ALL TIME* with the largest cast and a billion dollar budget! 🤯
I want a movie where the first scene is Galaxus laying on a couch in a cozy room while Darcy, from the Thor movies, is sitting in a chair with a notepad as Galaxus say "Everywhere I go, I am shamed, sometimes violently, for eating too much.".......
I went on a disney cruise and there was a leak in the marvel room. So the leak was about something called W.E.B and it said it was made by Peter Parker and shuri. And im guessing it is a organization. So my theory is that peter and shuri will make a vibranium spider suit. I dont know if it will be in Secret Wars or Black Panter 2
What sucks tho, well in comics or animation anything is possible like all the hero team ups is easier to put together, while in reality it's harder to translates that in live action because it's to good to be true
If marvel introducing fantastic four and x-men (mutants) to MCU one way is keep the FF and X in a separate universe from main MCU until secret wars and then do the original battle world but Avengers v FF+X. A better idea that would also work is if Avengers and FF in one universe and X-Men another. So you have two earths one where no one born with powers (x-gene mutant specific) and the other where people gain powers only by x-gene. End it with both universes combined. The second idea would be great because it could explain why mutants are feared and people who gain powers otherwise are loved. Also, by the Avengers FF working with X on battle world to defeat a common enemy it would explain the mutual respect/trust between Avengers FF and the X.
4:32 I’m curious how Professor X is standing. 7:29 There was a similar moment in Endgame where Hulk was holding the rubble of Avengers Compound after Thanos launches his attack.
If we see Kang the Conqueror as the main Villain of Avengers Kang Dynasty, Do you think we will see Dr_Doom with the power of the Beyonder as the main Villain of Avengers Secret Wars? Can you do history of Dr_Doom, Molecule Man and the Beyonder?
Since the Venom symbiote was left behind in NWH, it will definitely appear in Secret Wars. And since Tobey and Andrew are rumored to appear in the film, I'm sure that Tobey will try to convince Tom Holland to take off the symbiote before it consumes him, similar to how he tried to convince Topher Grace's Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 3. Tobey will tell everyone how sound waves are the symbiote's weakness. And when we see the symbiote looking like Venom, Andrew can say "If that thing exists in my universe, I am definitely not putting it on." Plus, this is also a way so he can fight an alien since he said he wanted to in NWH. Anyway, it would indeed be cool to see Galactus appear. They need to do him right since he wasn't accurately done in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer". I mean, they did say they were going to do another film in which they would reveal Galactus in his comic book accurate look, but then they got canceled. I'm not sure if they should do Doctor Doom for this film. They need to set him up perfectly. Literally if they just have him for the Fantastic Four film and then Secret Wars might not feel enough. They set Thanos up perfectly for multiple films. They really need to adapt Doctor Doom correctly. I know that the Doctor Doom in the original films was still different from how he was in the comics, but you have to admit that he was way better than the 2015 movie version. So they need to make sure they don't screw Doctor Doom and Galactus up again and make sure they adapt them correctly to please fans, especially if they do decide to use them for multiple films. And while we know that the MCU is making their own version of the X-Men, Kevin Feige confirmed that we'll be seeing Fox's X-Men in Secret Wars in which it will be the final film we'll be seeing those characters. He helped make the first X-Men movie and he's going to help end their story with Secret Wars so they can make way for the MCU version. Especially since Deadpool 3 is going to bring them to the MCU.
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is it loki (low ki) or loki (lock ki) the way you say it confused me.lol
it's a mountain range bigger than the rockies!!
Seeing the X-Men on one team as the Avengers in film is a dream i wanted since I was a kid.
i was just saying this. i just wanna see wolverine and spider man like how it was meant to be back in Sam Ramis 2002 Spider-Man.
@@brickedupgranny Exactly, I just want things to go the way they were supposed to.
@@brickedupgranny and hulk 2003 and the fantastic 4
they aren't avengers thats why its called marvel superhero secret wars.
@@roko2xz47 movie is avengers secret wars
Bro this is complete MADNESS to see so many hero's and villians together in one movie.
It has to be alteast a 2 part movie or else this is just going to be shit
@@Batman-zd6jp that’s exactly what I thought, which is why I think Kang dynasty and secret wars is basically part 1 and 2. Like infinity war and endgame were 2 parts to one story
@@jackviner5181 Right because there a too many crucial characters in this film for it to be a one part movie. they wont be able to achieve enough in one movie.
@@jackviner5181 I hope each film is at least 5 hours long 😩
@@jackviner5181 I think this movie would have to be at least three-and-a-half hours or 4 hours long
It would be nice seeing Dr Doom properly presented in the MCU. It would be nice to see him in his full potential
And maybe for phase 7, 8 and 9, Marvel Studios can build up to Galactus to go even bigger. Literally.
Decent writing - that's what I'd like to see. It's turned into the Corporate Disney machine that keeps churning out sh*te with the Star Wars or Marvel label on it.
@@tokiyakillsinsight160 it's a good idea. All the recent films just aren't tying in with each other, there isn't build up. The writing isn't as good, it's relying on previous marvel films. Having Galactus as the main villain for this new series of Marvel films is a good idea.
MCU is dead, we're in the MSheU now, so don't hold your breath.
They'll make Doom a transgender woman from the Middle East
It's still unbelievable that Secret Wars is actually getting an adaptation. And I agree, it will be the biggest and the best superhero crossover event of all time.
Best is debatable, but I have my expectations high.
@@racool911 hmm dont set high expectations considering how they build endgame in 10 years while secret wars in what? 3 years? doubt it'll be that good
@@racool911 Well, if they can follow the source material perfectly, then it will be the best of the best. But, if they change too many of the stuff, then who knows how it will turn out to be.
@shiberu Endgame wasn't announced in 2008 though. It was announced in 2014 as Infinity War part 2. If we take Endgame as the final result of the MCU's 10 years' progress, then technically, Secret Wars will have 17 years to be built up. Although, that's still a pretty small amount of time compared to how Secret Wars Volume 3 had a 30 years long build up in comics. But I have high expectations since, Secret Wars Volume 3 is "The Best" in case of comic book storylines.
@@shiberu_7sPeople who think like you, are way to negative and don't need to be here putting down peoples expectations and dreams.
It seems more likely that Secret Wars 3 (2015) is what is going to be adapted, given all the the talk of convergences and stuff, but it would not surprise me at all if elements from Secret Wars and Secret Wars II were also adapted into the overall story of Secret Wars 3.
Yeah I think that it will be more like the more recent secret wars with some elements of the original, like Peter getting the symbiote (although maybe not after the post credit scene of NWH).
This could also mean the MCU debut of Miles Morales and starting the journey to the Spiderverse.
@@shawn092182 I also thought that doesn't he appear in SW 2 or 3
Probably gonna be it's whole own thing that barely resembles the original, just like all the other movies.
No I think they are taking ideas from all the adaptations and putting in the movie cause you have to think about the projects coming before secret wars everything has to make since in some way
i don’t know dude, marvel has been putting out really lazy projects and now we’re gonna have secret wars so soon? I feel like that’s not enough time to build up to secret wars
Secret Wars is 100% getting delayed. Doctor Doom cant go from normal to frickin god emperor in the span of 1 year. So either hes gonna be there A LOT or the movie gets delayed to sometime in 2026
They definitely not giving the vfx teams enough time to make these projects be as good as they could be. Marvel has just become a factory trying to put as many things out as possible regardless of quality
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@@varadkulkarni1078 2025 is a pretty long time from now i dont think its getting delayed to just 2026
@@coupe1000 2025 is only 3 years from now. It took a decade to get to Infinity War & Endgame but they’re putting out Secret Wars in half that time and almost half the time already passed with majority of the projects being underwhelming.
Magneto was chosen as a "hero" by the Beyonder. Not a villain.
Considering his backstory it kinda makes sense
I wouldn’t mind if Marvel made this an 8hr movie! 😆👌
You always type like this and you watched this multiple times? 🤢
You’d watch she hulk and ms marvel and Hawkeye and iron heart fighting kang for 8 hours? Ew
It’s actually every marvel character in this movie
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That'll still he better than wasting 3 hrs in endgame. There will be much more heroes and villains, you can't just make a 2 hr movie for that.
I wouldn't mind if marvel repeated same writers that built phase 3 Favreau, Russo Bros. Markus and McFeely, and brought back Scott Derrickson and got the hell out of the way and casted better actors that stayed off twitter and didn't inject goddamn politics in to everything. Nobody fan-boying over phase 4 and it shows in the audience scores and box office. It isn't hero fatigue , its bad movie fatigue.
The 1980s version of Secret Wars is what got me into comics when I was a teen.
I heard that the was a comic where someone threw a mountain at the Avengers and Hulk had to stay pissed to keep it from crushing them and I said "Now that's what's up!"
That 80s version included original cap and iron man and a raw, unleashed Wolverine. In this current Marvel it is extremely doubtful it will have the same impact of that 80s comic. Just the wrong era, man.
Dude Im trying to find that 1980 secret wars everywhere but in my country none of them are selling that. Where you buy those?
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 it’s hugh Jackman we’ll get that Wolverine
@@sweatysaltykadsweatysaltyk7671 I seen some on eBay , 90aud
@@ceaserknk6640 aight thx brah
I'm shocked that we get 2 Avengers movies in the same year. 🤯
infinity war and endgame were filmed at same time and it caused multiple behind the scenes problems. So 2 avengers films in 1 year will cause way too many problems.
You mean like how it happened with Infinity War and Endgame?
@@thatmixeddudetho Infinity Wars was 2018, Endgame was 2019
@@AmJason pre Covid. If you think both avengers movie are gonna be that close you’re delusional.
Secret Wars will most likely be pushed to 2026, I doubt they'll have two Avengers movies in one year. It's a good thing because they will have more time and the movie will be better because of that delay.
I hope Avengers Secret Wars will be a hybrid of Jim Shooter’s 1984 Secret Wars and Jonathan Hickman’s 2014 Secret Wars. Considering we are going to see coverages and mutilverses, the three main villains will be Kang, Doctor Doom and The Beyonder. We’ve seen Cosmic gods so far. At the end of Avengers Secret Wars, we can see Galactus in the end.
I believe the beyonder is going to get replaced with Arishem from the Eternals
@@Davefromdabend5 OR Maybe Beyonder and Arishem will team up too perhaps! THAT WOULD BE COOL, DAVE!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Will need Fantastic Four by then, and this current Marvel will f*ck them up REALLY GOOD by then.
@@Davefromdabend5 Will be disappointing then
the main villians will be the beyonder, dr doom, molecule man, and galactus.
Who’s here after RDJ was announced to play Dr Doom
Same!
Not me. I'm still stuck in 2022
Great to see you back and ok Arris...as always, kick ass episode.
The Celestial Arishem's return to Earth for judgement could be what leads to Secret Wars instead of The Beyonder
Its a pity the normies will even understand it or follow it .... without MARKETABLE , LIKEABLE characterisations from actors , none of that matters, where as RDJ, Hemsworth , Evans, and Chris Pratt were able to gain interest from casual viewers, because they were likeable, charismatic and didn't insert politics into everything. Eternals was a freaking flop as well. A lot of good actors shoved into something they couldn't communicate to the audience by a bad indy director that shouldn't have bee given a tent pole film. Eternals needed Denis Villeneuve. Someone who understands epic world building.
They need to get a move on an introduce Doctor Doom, Fantastic 4, and X men first.
They will. Kang movie will now be Dr doom
@@rocknroll1973 doosmday builds up dr doom, fantastic 4 builds up galactus, and the beyonder and molecule man along with dr doom and galactus fight agaisnt fantastic 4, spider man, avengers, perhaps xmen but atleast wolverine as we seen him in deadpool. its gonna be epic
The first Secret Wars was a watershed event not only because it had so many beings in it but it was cannon that influenced and inspired hundreds of story lines following for years. You could even say it created a new age for the Marvel Multiverse.
Thank you very much all of you who put this excellent video together! I'm jeff from The MCU'S Bleeding Edge TH-cam channel/ Podcast, and I geuss people don't bother giving other creators credit anymore when they are helped by vids like this, but I just wanted you to know I have always made sure to vocally give credit to all of you and your channel, any time I have learned something from you that helped me in preparing my shows, topics, segment's, etc .... I'm a old school Marvel comics collector but it's nice sometimes to just be able to watch something like this and get a quick refresher on the story of SW.
You got way more hope in Marvel than I do at this point
Yeah I'm still surprised the theory videos get made considering none of the previous 3 video's theories were in the films
That's your problem.
@@parsman9914 seems like it's a problem a lot of people have. Their movies of late haven't exactly been ragers. Spider-man is partSony. But otherwise, nothing they've done post endgame have been particularly huge, financially.
@@parsman9914 I mean he’s right to not be enthused.
@@timgonzales2891 I mean it’s been very profitable for Disney just not the 1 billion that End Game made. The MCU has been so obscenely profitable they could lose money on a few movies and still have a near mythical amount of money.
I really want to see that show of strength from The Hulk! That would be amazing to see on screen! I also hope the X-Men and the Young Avengers participate in the cinematic Secret Wars!
Once I saw Beyonder and dr doom I’m like hell yes
I wanna see this and a sequel, where Beyonder vs everyone and then God Doom vs everyone.
Dr Doom is such a traitor and overrated character. One time he sides with the good team, then he play public enemy no 1. I want to see The Beyonder bury this a-hole when they clash.
@@peterparker2981 how does that make him overrated though?
With a Secret Wars inspired by the most recent one they could also bring new actors to play other versions of characters already established, like Thor, Iron Man... therefore continue using these characters by renewing actors that are getting old, and maybe telling new stories that happened differently
Problem is the renewed actors are KNOWN, popular and are able to deliver. new actors are cheaper, and will just say rubber stamped lines and forced politicalisation which is obvious if you've been paying attention. "other versions" have sucked. ..they even made Christian Bale look bad in Thor Love and Blunder.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 well, yeah, but still, at some point you can't keep the same actor to play the same character again and again for decades. First Iron Man came out in 2008, that was 14 years ago, first Thor came out on 2011... I mean, depending on the age they were when they started they could keep going, but at some point they do have to retire (and Hemsworth decided to retire from acting due to a deficient gene that could get him a specific disease so he wants to spend time with family).
If they will bring back cap and iron man it shouldn't be a new actor only RDJ and Chris evans can play that role perfectly
Regardless of which version of Secret Wars they do (personally I think they will go with 2015 version and end it with a soft reboot of the MCU to allow killed off characters to come back and be recast) the most important character they need to develop between now and then is Owen Reece
They are gunna introduce Owen Reece in the post credit of the movie before secret wars and call it peachy
Highly doubt they even use molecule man in these movie
Phase 5 is going to be an interesting time for marvel fans especially since phase 4 wasn’t received all that well
What’s phase 4 like from end game to now
More of the same , just more "hidden" messaging and the same annoying forced characters.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 🤦🏽♂️🫵🏽🤡
Phase 5 will likely be shit and low budget just like the current. Disney is literally in their dark ages right now with ass box office bombs, until they stop being woke for good and stop prioritizing cheap money saving content, then they could get back on their feet which will lead to masterpieces.
Who’s here after the announcement?!?!!?
10:20 if you think about it, this could be use to explain why we didnt saw the f4 before. What i mean is that maybe in the previous multiverse when kang's variants fought, the beyonder choosed the F4 to reshape the new multiverse at the end of loki s1. If the timeline is cyclic maybe this could work. I also like the idea of them being trapped into the quantum relm with kang.
I think it’ll definitely be cooler than endgame. Highly doubt it’ll be “bigger” sadly.
If the twist at the end of avengers 5 is what I think it will be, plus secret wars probably bringing back fan favourites (iron man, cap, the fox wolverine, basically the doctor strange cameos on steroids) I think that it could be on the same level as endgame. But I agree I don't think that it will be bigger just purely due to how much cultural weight endgame had as the ending of the infinity saga, which was partly what made it such a huge film.
@@charlestownsend9280 never say never
idk man i feel like people are too willing to write off marvel just because things aren’t as interesting as they were in phase 3. Remember, they had to build up to that. Things in the MCU right now might seem to have lower stakes now that Thanos is gone but it won’t stay that way for long.
@@flowersinawasteland Thank You!?!
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I hope marvel brings BIG name heroes and villains. That's how it could only get bigger and better
Big DIRECTORS an Better writers and better stories ..thats the only way this thing will be better, not necessarily bigger.
That will never happen right now. They need to fire their entire crew and directors, as well as marketers, and get new ones
Hoping this is better than expected because now MCU putting a lot of projects that affects their quality. Wishing the storyline will be better too than Endgame 🙏🏻
Same, my thing for the MCU or just Marvel I’m tired of getting these B-Side ass character shows and movies, let me know when the X-Men and Fantastic 4 show up.
@@cameronpalmer401 exactly. I don't care about Ms marvel, I am groot, and she hulk. I am very much indifferent towards BP 2 so there's not really anything for me to look forward to from marvel this year.
Ive been saying since the passing of Chadwick Boseman that it is going to be revealed that Dr Doom was the one who killed T'Challa. Doom wanted to invade Wakanda to upgrade his armor with vibranium but T'Challa stops him but succumbs to his wounds from the fight. It may not be revealed in BP2, hopefully we get him in the post-credit scene a la Thanos in the first Avengers movie but eventually it'll come out that it was Doom.
Same and he frames Namor for it or convinces his ppl to do it for him. Either way he is pulling strings
They won’t be how he dies
Nope.
Tobey Maguire Spider-Man, Ben Affleck Daredevil, Thomas Jane Punisher, Wesley Snipes Blade, Eric Bana Hulk, Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider, and The Fantastic Four 2005. All interacting with each other and fighting together in Secret Wars. Childhood 👍🏼
This gets me VERY excited for secret wars
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Endgame was pretty epic but a Secret Wars battle would be off the charts.
I'm glad you astutely hit on all the iconic moments from the original Secret Wars series and explained why it's so important that Marvel includes them within the movie counterparts, for that series is paramountly foundational in everything they've done since.
i love Dr Doom. and The Beyonders.
Secret Wars is going to be insane🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
This actually was in Spider man The animated Series with Madam Web and The Beyonder. It was one of the best short arcs ever that no one will ever know....................
I know. I know 🎉
Only thing im thinking about the most rn is how that wallpaper is going to look with all the different heroes just circling each other getting ready to throw hands with an alternate version of their ally.
I respectfully disagree, seeing the current cast of the MCU there is 0 character development in any of them and the damage has been done good writing isn't going to make them lovable. The only way I see if secret wars is bigger than endgame is IF legacy characters like iron man, cap and rest of the original avengers make their return.
Honestly, I just hope they don't use a Kang variant to take the role of DOOM.
lol I could see that. they will probably try that out and if it backfires quickly hire a A lister to player another version of dr.doom
What do you think Secret Wars is going to be like in the MCU? Do you think we will see the Beyonder in Avengers Kang Dynasty and Avengers Secret Wars or will we see him before that?
We will see him in Fantastic Four or new Doctor Strange movie for Secret Wars
The ending is whats important here. They left out to rebuild the multiverse, one universe at a time. Fiege already said MCU Secret Wars was gonna be a reset of the MCU. This could be crazy
WELCOME BACK, ARRIS.. Edit - I love how y'all still have Dr Doom's MAA avatar & the X-men Epic Quest (2016) image from Marvel Future Fight
I said it in your Kang Dynasty predictions and I’ll say it again. A story like this in Avengers Secret Wars could be immensely significant for the end of the Multiverse Saga. It could also become a greater film than even Avengers Endgame.
How when there are zero likeable or marketable characters .. Brie Larson??? Spiderman tom holland sure, but who else? It wont remotely be on the level of Avengers Endgame because the actors popularity in their roles defined the character arcs leading into Endgame. No Black Panther? (Chadwick) No Tony Stark (RDJ), No Cap No Black Widow? None of the current iteration has matched their popularity! And the current writers are freaking AWFUL! did you see She-Hulk!?
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 the she hulk writer admitted to wanting to piss off the fans when writing the show.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 no Tony stark? The multiverse is a thing in the mcu now. Obviously they’ll bring him back (from a different universe)
Seeing that there’s already a symbiote on Earth after NWH, I feel like we’re going to get the Black Suit Spidey arc before Secret Wars even happens.
Yeah but the Venom Symbiote is in Mexico and Spider-Man is in New York. I doubt the Symbiote can make it to New York by itself and we don't even know if the Symbiote still has any intention to go see Spider-Man. It'll most likely be thrown/dragged into Battleworld and that's when we get Symbiote-suit Spider-Man.
@@abivalentin8331 I can see some sort of research company getting their hands on it and bringing it to New York for study. Basically a live action version of what happened in Spectacular Spider-Man.
@@hezeishere5605 I can see that happening as well, good thinking!
It may be bigger in scope than the Infinity Saga, but they've got a lot of work to do to create proper build-up toward the event.
Yeah there were some bad movies in the Infinity Saga but at least they were consistent with building the story instead of individual ones with no correlation to eachother
I think Kang will take on Doom’s role in the MCU’s Secret Wars. Doom would then be the big bad for the next Phase.
I was thinking that kang wins in avengers 5 but right at the end of the film just as he's creating a new sacred timeline, doom defeats him and then becomes the big villain of secret wars. Considering that they're starting to set him up as a big behind the scenes character in wakanda forever and I wouldn't be surprised if he has been linked to other events in phase 4 and the thunderbolts, it kind of makes sense and I think they'll use the end of this phase and the whole of the next phase to set him up as someone who can out plan and out smart kang. Also you need a big twist between the two films and that would be a huge twist, not just having the villain win but the villain being defeated by another villain and everyone waking up in a crazy new universe where that villain rules supreme.
@@charlestownsend9280 it wouldn’t really be a twist though because its a pretty popular fan theory
@@Oregonman2011 yeah it wouldn't be huge in comic fan an die hard mcu fans circles, just like the thanos snap wasn't but I was talking more general audiences.
When I think of how the Civil War in the MCU was compared to the Civil War in the comics, I'm curious how Secret Wars will turn out.
I see people theorizing that Kang will take the beyonder role and Scarlet witch take the molecule man role. And that in Kang dynasty. It’ll be about the new avengers coming together to take down Kang and his variants but other variants from other earths will come to earth 616 to battle them. Then Doom would either betray Kang or gain the powers and create battle world which leads to secret wars. I can see the Avengers “win” but it’s too late in Avengers Kang Dynasty and the screen cuts to black as the multiverse has collapsed. Then in Avengers secret wars it starts with doom
if they are really careful with it, pick the perfect actors, and comic book/ realistic customs for both beyonder and dr. doom it would be perfect for avengers: secret wars.
It's the mcu, that's what they do, when haven't they picked perfect actors and made great costumes that are a good balance between the comics and realistic outfits that look good in live action.
@@charlestownsend9280 debatable
@@martinbauzon7450 Agreed. If they are going to make this they need to get people who really understands the Marvel Universe and its continuity. Avengers and Iron Man were sucessful movies because of Josh Weedon and say what you will about his moral conduct the guy was a comic book writer before he became a film maker Weedon truly understood comic book characters
Fire breakdown of both secret wars stories
It’s gonna be interesting how they get to Kang to Doom. They’re already slowly introducing Kang now (from Loki, and Antman 3 is supposed too also).
So excited!!!!
I feel like the 2015 Secret Wars will be adapted. Personally i hope the original and 2015 both have elements in this because that would be awesome
Yeah. It would be fun to see the Beyonder. I really hope they don't nerf him in the MCU like the comics ret-con did.
@@combinelegend105 hopefully they do The Beyonder justice
The MCU was amazing - with all the interviews and TV spots in between films. When Thor was looking for work during Captain America Civil War.
actually the two Reed's in the Hickman comics did not come together. They worked independently of each other
If they were smart they would go old school.
You forgot that Iron Man in the original Secret Wars was not Tony Stark, but James Rhodes, and there also some other things about the original Secret Wars comic you didn't point out, such as how is Professor X is able to walk, and why Invisible Woman and Kitty Pryde weren't in the story.
Came back to this video after comic con 2024 🤯
For those who don’t know who is the Beyonder. He’s the youngest race of the Beyonders, only ones more powerful than the Celestials. With the power, he took parts of Earth and other planets in the universe to create Battleworld. Until he was defeated by a huge group of superheroes, after the Molecule Man intervenes and kills him, while he had temporarily transformed into an infant in the midst of a re-birthing process
Get more credible writers for such a big movie. Not writers like Loveness or Waldron who merely have written any big budget movies ever in their lives.
I hope they do all this. I feel like multiverse was such a let down, they couldve done SO much more
Well it's the multiverse saga, this was only the beginning
the multiverse saga is only beginning, we still have like 4 or 5 years left of the saga
I Absolutely loved the original Secret Wars and the 2015 Secret Wars I truly hope that the movie adapts the original 1984/1985 Secret Wars storyline
I wouldn't be surprised if they use Secret Wars to basically merge various different Multiverse characters into the MCU, like this is how we get Miles Morales and X-Men.
I can’t imagine if Symbiote Spider-Man makes his debut on this film? Just picturing him in the middle of this War is epic. Marvel is gonna break records with film! (Again for like the 3rd time) 😂👌
The meat riding 🤢
@@ohlookitsbryan what's wrong with you bruh😑
I hope Secret Wars has a better first and second act than Endgame did? I can't wait.
Endgame second act was awesome. And its first act is what was needed to cool down after IW
Glad to see you are back!
imagine seeing this many villians and heroe's in one movies blows my mind
Imagine Henry Cavil as the Beyonder🤣🤣🤣
Superman is the Beyonder. 🤣😂
Give me a scene where Spidey gets the black suit that's all I really want
Yea and let spider man be Tobey the GOAT
would be amazing seeing The Beyonder come to observe and "Understand" humans and mutants and do what ever he wants and I'm being literal.
This aged poorly. Quickly.
Why? What happened?
@@Gadget-Walkmen lol
@@CaptainTae what? What’s funny and what happened?
@@Gadget-Walkmen oh. I thought you were joking.
They built secret wars around a guy who won’t be returning. Because he’s a violent lunatic.
To be honest, I kinda wanna see beyonder spider man in beyonder's design
Who's here after kang's dynasty was changed to Doomsday
No one ever mentions how massive the ‘85 Secret War crossoves in the comic books was. I remember it even crossed over into the New Mutants. Can’t wait!
It will be like that ‘Memegame’ video where every character from every movie and show ever join in the action through Doctor Strange (and possibly Loki/TVA) portals! It will be the largest movie event of *ALL TIME* with the largest cast and a billion dollar budget! 🤯
Doom is one of Kirby’s and also comics greatest characters. They need to get him right this time.
So we gonna overlook how molecule man recreated their entire universe again.
Beneath onehundred anf thirty-billon tons, stands the Hulk! And he is not happy! That is what I remember :)
I want a movie where the first scene is Galaxus laying on a couch in a cozy room while Darcy, from the Thor movies, is sitting in a chair with a notepad as Galaxus say "Everywhere I go, I am shamed, sometimes violently, for eating too much.".......
I didnt know molecule man was this influencial in both storylines
Glad to see the original host on this video. Last one I watched had some scrub and it quickly became amateur hour
This film has to be at least 4hrs long. Divided into 2 chapters (2hrs each), with a 15 minute intermission after Chapter 1.
Petition to have Mike-D and AD-Rock play the Beyonder and Molecule Man (or Doom)
I went on a disney cruise and there was a leak in the marvel room. So the
leak was about something called W.E.B and it said it was made by Peter Parker and shuri. And im guessing it is a organization. So my theory is that peter and shuri will make a vibranium spider suit. I dont know if it will be in Secret Wars or Black Panter 2
Secret wars is gonna have black suit tom holland with venom slightly introduced in no way home.
What sucks tho, well in comics or animation anything is possible like all the hero team ups is easier to put together, while in reality it's harder to translates that in live action because it's to good to be true
avengers 5 is going to be the last saving grace of the MCU for alot of fans. they are going to need to get their act together.
Wow this channel is INCREDIBLE... 🔥🔥🔥
It's a great time to see our comics come to life and fruition...
If marvel introducing fantastic four and x-men (mutants) to MCU one way is keep the FF and X in a separate universe from main MCU until secret wars and then do the original battle world but Avengers v FF+X. A better idea that would also work is if Avengers and FF in one universe and X-Men another. So you have two earths one where no one born with powers (x-gene mutant specific) and the other where people gain powers only by x-gene.
End it with both universes combined. The second idea would be great because it could explain why mutants are feared and people who gain powers otherwise are loved. Also, by the Avengers FF working with X on battle world to defeat a common enemy it would explain the mutual respect/trust between Avengers FF and the X.
Secret Wars should really be two movies or a long disney+ show.
What type of role do you think the Fantastic Four would play during Avengers Kang Dynasty and Avengers Secret Wars?
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This guy has wayyyyyyy to much hope😂 it’s just gonna be Meg that stallion, she hulk, miss marvel, captain marvel and hawk girl teaming up
I love the artwork of that secret wars comic
Thos would need to be a 3 part movie series at the least
4:32 I’m curious how Professor X is standing.
7:29 There was a similar moment in Endgame where Hulk was holding the rubble of Avengers Compound after Thanos launches his attack.
I wanna see symbiote spiderman introduced in the movie
If we see Kang the Conqueror as the main Villain of Avengers Kang Dynasty, Do you think we will see Dr_Doom with the power of the Beyonder as the main Villain of Avengers Secret Wars?
Can you do history of Dr_Doom, Molecule Man and the Beyonder?
Since the Venom symbiote was left behind in NWH, it will definitely appear in Secret Wars. And since Tobey and Andrew are rumored to appear in the film, I'm sure that Tobey will try to convince Tom Holland to take off the symbiote before it consumes him, similar to how he tried to convince Topher Grace's Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 3. Tobey will tell everyone how sound waves are the symbiote's weakness. And when we see the symbiote looking like Venom, Andrew can say "If that thing exists in my universe, I am definitely not putting it on." Plus, this is also a way so he can fight an alien since he said he wanted to in NWH. Anyway, it would indeed be cool to see Galactus appear. They need to do him right since he wasn't accurately done in "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer". I mean, they did say they were going to do another film in which they would reveal Galactus in his comic book accurate look, but then they got canceled. I'm not sure if they should do Doctor Doom for this film. They need to set him up perfectly. Literally if they just have him for the Fantastic Four film and then Secret Wars might not feel enough. They set Thanos up perfectly for multiple films. They really need to adapt Doctor Doom correctly. I know that the Doctor Doom in the original films was still different from how he was in the comics, but you have to admit that he was way better than the 2015 movie version. So they need to make sure they don't screw Doctor Doom and Galactus up again and make sure they adapt them correctly to please fans, especially if they do decide to use them for multiple films. And while we know that the MCU is making their own version of the X-Men, Kevin Feige confirmed that we'll be seeing Fox's X-Men in Secret Wars in which it will be the final film we'll be seeing those characters. He helped make the first X-Men movie and he's going to help end their story with Secret Wars so they can make way for the MCU version. Especially since Deadpool 3 is going to bring them to the MCU.
You know a Marvel Fighting Game based on Secret Wars would be awesome to see.