The question missing from this report is as follows: how many times has your gun trace led to the actual perpetrator of the crime? My guess is very rarely. Probably, you track down the original owner who had his/her firearm stolen. Even with a "database" you cannot find a stolen gun. Databases are only created for the purpose of future confiscation of guns from law abiding citizens. Databases are useless crime fighting tools because criminals refuse to register their guns.
Law abiding citizens refuse to register their guns too not just criminals. The 2nd amendment doesnt say register your guns it says use them against tyranical government.
Actually i know of a few times it has, primarily it was because he or she who committed the crime purchased the firearm from someone so they track down the original owner, ask who they sold the gun to and go from there. Its not often but it happens.
@@holyravioli5795The state of MD has had a registry for about 11 years, and from what I've heard, they have used it 2 times to trace a gun (both times they already knew where the gun came from). Databases are a huge usurpation of rights for a miniscule and almost nonexistant help in the resolution of a crime. That is because databases are not meant to help find bad guys, they are created so the State has an inventory of guns its citizens possess. This is helpful only for confiscation from law abiding citizens.
A digital, searchable database of all firearms sold to any and all individuals, entities, etc. across the nation? Yes, that would make it exceedingly easy for government agents to compile a fairly definitive list of one's entire firearms catalog... That's exactly why it's not allowed. :)
@@TheSBleeder in Maryland, CT., MA., NJ you needs to registered what type of firearms you owned. in NY you have to registered on the back of your permit and it is perm and available as a public record.
What is the reason for destroying serial numbers? Like if you are caught commiting a crime with a gun why does it matter if you can read the serial number?
LordTimCahill Section VI Subsection G www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdf There are exceptions. One being the manufacturer of ones own firearm for personal use. Those do not apply to the above link.
So you think a registry would trace a gun back to a criminal who most likely got it illegally? And how often does a trace even result in catching someone?
Yea no. Make them work for my name.. theirs a a record somewhere of my purchases, find illegal guns first being used by lawless criminals before law abiding citizens.
@@whicay5460 Ok, there's legit no such thing as a ghost gun. I would know, I built a "ghost gun". I still had to buy the lower receiver from a FFL and so there's definitely record of my purchase. Edit: I suppose there are metal 3D printers these days but your average Joe isn't gonna have $1 million to drop on it.
Only in the fact that the FFL holder retains the 4473. The info given to the NICS people is destroyed within 24 hours by law. Only the transaction number is retained.
It's important to help these guys as much as possible, and send more, lots more, as many papers as possible, and filled out as much as possible by hand. Help out by doing a bang-good job of it.
The only record kept is the original purchase of the firearm and is retained by the dealer, not the ATF doesn't get the 4473 until the dealer surrenders his license . After the background check the only thing NICS keeps is the transaction number to track the number of sales, not who bought them. By law the have to destroy the check information within 24 hours.
Yung Drey you scratch it off they just assume it has bodies and charge you with possession most likely maybe more if you really seem like you do that kinda stuff lol
non stoinky and that doesn’t change the fact that it’s illegal to mess with a federal serial number like you said war guns if they was using it during war times I doubt it considering they would wanna keep track of every gun but back in the day some would get to bring guns back and those would probably have different rules seeing as the serial number was meant for civilian use 😂you should have knew that difference before commenting “lol”😂
Not technically traced but if u get pulled over with it on u and they find it, they will charge you with possession of a stolen fire arm which is a felony i believe
Lol the whole process is as it should be pretty easy, call the manufacturer give serial # and down the tracks you go. A gun registration is definitely not something we need.
I’m interested so if you have for example the same exact gun okay 2 guns same make and model a Glock 19 for example both gen 4 , so every gun that’s made has different shell markings on the shell casing when it’s fired ? That makes sense but IF YOU HAVE 2 SAME EXACT GUNS SAME MODEL SAME EVERYTHING BOTH USED IN A CRIM HOW CAN THEY MAKE DIFFERENT MARKING FOR EACH GUN MADE WHEN MILLIONS OF GUNS THAT ARE THE SAME EXACT MODEL ARE SOLD EVERY DAY HOW CAN YOU COME UP WITH MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT MARKINGS WHEN THERES MILLIONS OF IDENTICAL GUNS SAME MAKE MODEL AND GENERATION? Without getting mixed up ? SO YOUR TELLING ME THE ATF CIA WHATEVER COMES UP WITH MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MARKING FOR THE SAME EXACT GUN WHATEVER IT IS WITHOUT IT GETTING MIXED ? THATS INSANE I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW CAN SOMEBODY COME UP WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT MARKINGS FOR EACH GUN ? WITHOUT USING THAT MARKING EVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY USED ? How do people do that please explain IM A LEGALLY LICENSED GUN OWNER OF MANY GUNS AND THIS FASCINATES ME DO YOU GUYS KNOW HOW MANY SAME MAKE SAME MODEL SAME GENERATION GUNS ARE MADE ?
"Pet Cemetary governance" political theory (deriv. 1973) This is the method (Pet Keeping and pet value of its life) by which monarchies operate in an authoritarian system for utilitarian purpose , its' crude or basic essence is there are two ranks of people, aristocracy and commoner of that the commoner is of essence descript as only the value of a "kept pet" while "living lifestyle circumstances" are good and healthy. Because by this binary structure of rank system , the power and economics and its final ownership and workings belong by vast quantity to a tiny minority (the aristocracy) and the majority population are commoner, the "living being alive value" of any individual commoners' life and citizency in economics terms and power influence terms of any granted rank or all of them collectively makes them best described as "pets (as in a context of a kept pet animal)" while also this too can be given as "a view of the properties and attributes operative mechanisms" also in place to handle , manage and keep them. -- It clearly shows that the commoner is heavily economically subsidized and preparation for subsidized economics to supply to a commoner(or citizen) is in place ready regardless their personal economic status. -- It clearly shows that their living (allowed to be alive as a non "threat" (e.g. threat = criminal) value as a commoner to law enforcement officers and authorities is no better than how cooperative to authority manipulation they are and effectively their lives(alive or dead) are the same value as a criminals' life (alive or dead) in an enforcement situation, that being , the human tool collateral is being protected by law enforcement NOT the actual lives of them (except for political expediency purposes). -- It produces excess duplicates of types of workers as "deliberate spares" more than actually attempting to screen by training excess numbers to obtain quality as paramount. (*)-- It values completely useless people in huge excess numbers as much as the able bodied or intellectually trained commoner and somewhat as comparatively of criminals when managing rank status for critical service "supply to" purpose management (e.g. waiting in line). *note: Of the game Chess, there is an element of binary to its pieces ranking "pawns" , the front row (vastly as a type of piece outnumbers the other piece types) , and special pieces the back row. This analogy ("Chess") is too simple because it does not relate the structures, contexts and purpose that living creatures posses and are not structured at the specific required level of living beings that are collectively one unit of people in a governed management structure for living as a community. Stallwarting and stifling important critical information to commoners in its system of supply is a common feature committed in many ways. Example: a police site search engine for missing persons register (Australia) 2600 missing total - filters year state but resets per query awkward and no band pf info www.missingpersons.gov.au/search?location=register&full= * "Pet Cemetary governance" political theory includes arguments and "colloquial fitting jokes / cliche's" that are derived from news in the late 1960s and 1970s in Britains Commonwealth of Australia noting value of life relevant tp community and citizen protection e.g. 6 September 1971 - Clifford Cecil Bartholomew shot his wife, Heather, their seven children, his sister-in-law and his nephew to death with a .22-caliber rifle at their dairy farm in Hope Forest, South Australia.[28][29] This was Australia's worst familicide on record as of May 2018.[30] Initially sentenced to hang, he was instead imprisoned for life, and released on parole in 1979. After his release from prison, Bartholomew assumed a new identity, remarried and had seven adopted children. His new family only learnt about his past years after his death.[31] 5-6 May 1964 - An entire family was found gassed to death in their Warwick Farm home. The victims were Herbert Darnley, his wife, Joyce, and their five children. A note was found on the front door of the scene, indicating a murder-suicide, although no perpetrator was reported as identified.
Its amazing how many times the reporter trys to get the agent to push for a gun registry
and kudos to him for not taking the bait
no criminal buys a gun legally most guns go thru alot criminals
all illegal guns start as legal guns
@@shawnschaitel838 true
Shawn Schaitel you’re right but how is that going to help find the criminal
@@shawnschaitel838
All illegal guns start as legal ones.. NOT TRUE!!!
@@eagleclaw1179 actually they do unless you counting the self manufacturing af firearm's by criminals themselves which is actually illegal
We need to track AND CONTROL NBC News TV camera ownership.
Yes sir
The question missing from this report is as follows: how many times has your gun trace led to the actual perpetrator of the crime? My guess is very rarely. Probably, you track down the original owner who had his/her firearm stolen. Even with a "database" you cannot find a stolen gun. Databases are only created for the purpose of future confiscation of guns from law abiding citizens. Databases are useless crime fighting tools because criminals refuse to register their guns.
Pharaoh at least your not brainwashed.
Law abiding citizens refuse to register their guns too not just criminals. The 2nd amendment doesnt say register your guns it says use them against tyranical government.
Actually i know of a few times it has, primarily it was because he or she who committed the crime purchased the firearm from someone so they track down the original owner, ask who they sold the gun to and go from there.
Its not often but it happens.
@@holyravioli5795The state of MD has had a registry for about 11 years, and from what I've heard, they have used it 2 times to trace a gun (both times they already knew where the gun came from). Databases are a huge usurpation of rights for a miniscule and almost nonexistant help in the resolution of a crime. That is because databases are not meant to help find bad guys, they are created so the State has an inventory of guns its citizens possess. This is helpful only for confiscation from law abiding citizens.
Be ashame if those records were to ya know set a blaze
They shouldn't be tracking guns at all, it's none of their business.
Abolish the atf
Do you mean the NRA? They’re the ones who lobbied so that it could ultimately be more difficult to solve crimes.
@@Eduardo-iq3cf do you know what nra is man the atf trys to ban guns the nra dosen't
Nobody can take what they don't know you have. A 'data base' is registration which is infringement.
Protect the Second at all cost.
Haha, he didn't buy into the interviewer implying/questioning that a registry would be a good thing.
As an anti "AFT" fan, I was pleasantly surprised he made such a conscience effort to stay neutral.
FOPA was good except for one major flaw. The Hughes Amendment.
A digital, searchable database of all firearms sold to any and all individuals, entities, etc. across the nation? Yes, that would make it exceedingly easy for government agents to compile a fairly definitive list of one's entire firearms catalog...
That's exactly why it's not allowed. :)
For some reason a lot of people can't figure this out.
The government SHOULDN'T know who is and who isn't armed.
@@TheSBleeder in Maryland, CT., MA., NJ you needs to registered what type of firearms you owned. in NY you have to registered on the back of your permit and it is perm and available as a public record.
What is the reason for destroying serial numbers? Like if you are caught commiting a crime with a gun why does it matter if you can read the serial number?
LordTimCahill
Section VI
Subsection G
www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdf
There are exceptions. One being the manufacturer of ones own firearm for personal use. Those do not apply to the above link.
Search for "Katrina gun confiscation" on TH-cam. Where any of the New Orleans cops who took it upon themselves to seize firearms ever punished?
So you think a registry would trace a gun back to a criminal who most likely got it illegally? And how often does a trace even result in catching someone?
And why do you think they had to get it illegaly ? ( Wich is harder and more expensive)
@@LR-vw8yu it’s not hard at all what are you talking about
Yea no. Make them work for my name.. theirs a a record somewhere of my purchases, find illegal guns first being used by lawless criminals before law abiding citizens.
like criminals don't erase track number on guns 🤣
Funny you mention that, theirs multiple serial numbers on a gun plus some new ones have invisible serial numbers on the barrel and handgaurd.
@@holyravioli5795 they can just grt a ghost gun bruh
@@whicay5460 Ok, there's legit no such thing as a ghost gun. I would know, I built a "ghost gun". I still had to buy the lower receiver from a FFL and so there's definitely record of my purchase. Edit: I suppose there are metal 3D printers these days but your average Joe isn't gonna have $1 million to drop on it.
@@TaylorBlack0 " there's legit no such thing as a ghost gun " yes there is
@@TaylorBlack0 believe it or not there's people who build there own parts. They build it from scratch and sell it
So there is no registry. But there is a stockpile of records. Gotcha.
Any time you buy a gun they record the serial number and the purchaser of the gun is afixed too that purchaser so it is really registered >
Only in the fact that the FFL holder retains the 4473. The info given to the NICS people is destroyed within 24 hours by law. Only the transaction number is retained.
It's important to help these guys as much as possible, and send more, lots more, as many papers as possible, and filled out as much as possible by hand. Help out by doing a bang-good job of it.
Thats bs they keep a record on everyone that owns a gun and has it registered
The only record kept is the original purchase of the firearm and is retained by the dealer, not the ATF doesn't get the 4473 until the dealer surrenders his license . After the background check the only thing NICS keeps is the transaction number to track the number of sales, not who bought them. By law the have to destroy the check information within 24 hours.
All the paperwork should be required to be destroyed.
U gotta be a dam fool to believe they don’t have a gun registry
Shouldnt track it at all. Its your right to own whatever you want.
This atf agent is the lawyer we all need but don’t deserve
boo hoo, we have to make 4 calls and find a file.
FOPA ! Registry NOT legal!
And he's probably lying about it cause its against the law to keep a registry. Atf just admitted they have a registry.
my firearm(s) were destroyed and lost in a boating accident 👀
It’s still all a lie. We have all the information……. We just can’t search it. 😒
What's this guy's website?
The records are there for a registry. Just wait
You can just take a photo with your iphone and it can do a text search lol
what if someone just scratches off the serial number
Yung Drey you can put acid on the spot where it used to be and the number will reappear
Specifically against federal law.
Yung Drey you scratch it off they just assume it has bodies and charge you with possession most likely maybe more if you really seem like you do that kinda stuff lol
@@awillaims8653 lol lots of world war 2 veterans used to scratch the numbers off of their war guns
non stoinky and that doesn’t change the fact that it’s illegal to mess with a federal serial number like you said war guns if they was using it during war times I doubt it considering they would wanna keep track of every gun but back in the day some would get to bring guns back and those would probably have different rules seeing as the serial number was meant for civilian use 😂you should have knew that difference before commenting “lol”😂
Trump once tweeted that police should have the power to seize firearms even when the owner is not being charged with any crime.
Yes, I vaguely remember that
There are places online I wouldn't share that fact. But yeah, he wasn't pro 2A in anyway.
Good thing I own a 3D printer😂
If you steal a gun can it be traced
U dont need that answer it's not worth throwing your life away
Not technically traced but if u get pulled over with it on u and they find it, they will charge you with possession of a stolen fire arm which is a felony i believe
@@raydoee In America the police can not search your car or body for normal traffic stop without probable cause.
The atf is not political...🙄
Good!
Lol the whole process is as it should be pretty easy, call the manufacturer give serial # and down the tracks you go. A gun registration is definitely not something we need.
what a stoneage system - thanks NRA...
HE R It’s nothing to do with the NRA
@@sidjtd it is as the are blocking it thrue lobbying
Thank god we have the NRA
Thank the US Constitution.
I’m interested so if you have for example the same exact gun okay 2 guns same make and model a Glock 19 for example both gen 4 , so every gun that’s made has different shell markings on the shell casing when it’s fired ? That makes sense but IF YOU HAVE 2 SAME EXACT GUNS SAME MODEL SAME EVERYTHING BOTH USED IN A CRIM HOW CAN THEY MAKE DIFFERENT MARKING FOR EACH GUN MADE WHEN MILLIONS OF GUNS THAT ARE THE SAME EXACT MODEL ARE SOLD EVERY DAY HOW CAN YOU COME UP WITH MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT MARKINGS WHEN THERES MILLIONS OF IDENTICAL GUNS SAME MAKE MODEL AND GENERATION? Without getting mixed up ? SO YOUR TELLING ME THE ATF CIA WHATEVER COMES UP WITH MILLIONS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MARKING FOR THE SAME EXACT GUN WHATEVER IT IS WITHOUT IT GETTING MIXED ? THATS INSANE I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW CAN SOMEBODY COME UP WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT MARKINGS FOR EACH GUN ? WITHOUT USING THAT MARKING EVER AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY USED ? How do people do that please explain IM A LEGALLY LICENSED GUN OWNER OF MANY GUNS AND THIS FASCINATES ME DO YOU GUYS KNOW HOW MANY SAME MAKE SAME MODEL SAME GENERATION GUNS ARE MADE ?
We should register knives too, and sticks used in crimes, it would open a lot of jobs.
Dammm I WONDER how to THROW OFF there EFFORT!!
"Pet Cemetary governance" political theory (deriv. 1973)
This is the method (Pet Keeping and pet value of its life) by which monarchies operate in an authoritarian system for utilitarian purpose , its' crude or basic essence is there are two ranks of people, aristocracy and
commoner of that the commoner is of essence descript as only the value of a "kept pet" while "living lifestyle circumstances" are good and healthy.
Because by this binary structure of rank system , the power and economics and its final ownership and workings belong by vast quantity to a tiny minority (the aristocracy) and the majority population are commoner, the
"living being alive value" of any individual commoners' life and citizency in economics terms and power influence terms of any granted rank or all of them collectively makes them best described as "pets (as in a context of
a kept pet animal)" while also this too can be given as "a view of the properties and attributes operative mechanisms" also in place to handle , manage and keep them.
-- It clearly shows that the commoner is heavily economically subsidized and preparation for subsidized economics to supply to a commoner(or citizen) is in place ready regardless their personal economic status.
-- It clearly shows that their living (allowed to be alive as a non "threat" (e.g. threat = criminal) value as a commoner to law enforcement officers and authorities is no better than how cooperative to authority manipulation
they are and effectively their lives(alive or dead) are the same value as a criminals' life (alive or dead) in an enforcement situation, that being , the human tool collateral is being protected by law enforcement NOT the
actual lives of them (except for political expediency purposes).
-- It produces excess duplicates of types of workers as "deliberate spares" more than actually attempting to screen by training excess numbers to obtain quality as paramount.
(*)-- It values completely useless people in huge excess numbers as much as the able bodied or intellectually trained commoner and somewhat as comparatively of criminals when managing rank status for critical service "supply
to" purpose management (e.g. waiting in line).
*note: Of the game Chess, there is an element of binary to its pieces ranking "pawns" , the front row (vastly as a type of piece outnumbers the other piece types) , and special pieces the back row.
This analogy ("Chess") is too simple because it does not relate the structures, contexts and purpose that living creatures posses and are not structured at the specific required level of living beings that are collectively one
unit of people in a governed management structure for living as a community.
Stallwarting and stifling important critical information to commoners in its system of supply is a common feature committed in many ways.
Example: a police site search engine for missing persons register (Australia)
2600 missing total - filters year state but resets per query awkward and no band pf info
www.missingpersons.gov.au/search?location=register&full=
* "Pet Cemetary governance" political theory includes arguments and "colloquial fitting jokes / cliche's" that are derived from news in the late 1960s and 1970s in Britains Commonwealth of Australia noting value of life relevant tp community and citizen protection
e.g.
6 September 1971 - Clifford Cecil Bartholomew shot his wife, Heather, their seven children, his sister-in-law and his nephew to death with a .22-caliber rifle at their dairy farm in Hope Forest, South Australia.[28][29] This was Australia's worst familicide on record as of May 2018.[30] Initially sentenced to hang, he was instead imprisoned for life, and released on parole in 1979. After his release from prison, Bartholomew assumed a new identity, remarried and had seven adopted children. His new family only learnt about his past years after his death.[31]
5-6 May 1964 - An entire family was found gassed to death in their Warwick Farm home. The victims were Herbert Darnley, his wife, Joyce, and their five children. A note was found on the front door of the scene, indicating a murder-suicide, although no perpetrator was reported as identified.
government disfunction at it's finest, beautiful
Thus guy is scared to say the truth. He only works there for a paycheck
Joseph Solis how would a registry trace a gun that was illegally possessed? 😂😂
Wat
100th comment😅