Cornering the Last Great Deals on Parmigiani Watches. VP
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- A few years ago, several collectors were able to get top quality watches by a famous watchmaker, Michel Parmigiani. Too many Parmigiani Fleaurier watches were not the look or design that many wanted, and as a result the secondary market was flush with brand new watches at a fraction of the MSRP. However, as more and more collectors and others discoveed these hidden gems, and Parmigiani began to create more popular models, the well of great deals began to dry up. Here are three remaining ones that I was able to locate that are still great buys.
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I've commented a number of times, that Kalpa you're wearing is my favorite watch from your collection. The color is special as is the shape - even the bracelet isn't standard fare.
Hey J Tee, thanks man. It was one of those unloved models that I got a great buy on. When its stem came out, I sent it to the US Parmigiani Service Center in Miami, and its been like new ever since. Service was not cheap (about $1k), but worth every penny. Take care, Bill
I am a Parmigiani owner and I have felt totally spoiled by both of the references I have owned. It is hard to explain the nuances of both fit and finish that characterize Parmigiani watches. Parmigiani is now run by Guido Terreni who was one of the architects of the revival of Bulgari through the development of the key Octo Finissimo references. Mr. Terreni is now guiding Parmigiani into higher level sports/dress watches of distinction which is an area in which Parmigiani lagged. He is not throwing the baby out with the bath water but pre-2017 references have a lushness of design and quality that were the direct result of Michel Parmigiani’s vision and high standards. It is likely that no cost accountants were allowed to have any influence at Parmigiani Fleurier when Mr. Parmigiani was in control. For those who think that PF is a small obscure brand, PF is the high horology division of one of the most comprehensive fine horology component mini-conglomerates in the world with a business to business presence in high horology that is second to none. PF is owned 75% by the Sandoz Foundation and 25% by Hermès who is both a PF supplier and customer.
That's exactly the way I feel about the Parmigiani watches I have ... spoiled for a lot of other watches with higher prices and lower horology. 😉 Take care, Bill
Hi Bill. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, as they say. Most folks just don't know what is good for them The Kalpa Grande looks to be of excellent quality, and something a bit different.
Hey Tuna, love my big bad boy Kalpa ... in robin's egg blue. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci You are a man of discernment Bill. All the best.
Dear Bill……just bought a Parmigiani Fleurier Metrographe for just under $5000 new…..thank you !!
Wonderful to hear David! Where did you find it? Take care, Bill
Via eBay…..the non ADs tend to use eBay to offload by offering individual discounts when you put watches in your basket or “watch list” them
I really like these!
Thanks Bill ❤️
There are a few around for great prices, Jonathan. Take care, Bill
I recently aquired an early work from Parmigiani, Ionica 8 days with beatifully finished manual Cal. PF110 for $7500. It's the only one available in China. Since some dealers are still lacking knowledgements on collectible pieces, which really adds to the fun factor of hunting.
The Ionica is one that I wish I had got years ago, and $7,500 is a great price for one. The PF110 is a classic movement by Michel Parmigiani, Lichang. Most of the fun is in the hunt! Take care, Bill
That watch company is an Italian dish. Marketing problems. Nice new watches though.
Nice video mate
Hey Tim, thanks man! Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, I got the Parmigiani Tonda 1950 in white gold with the grey dial. I absolutely love it🍺 my first hh watch, love the independents
That, Fylke, is a gem of a gem! Love the 1950 and that gold and gray ... is fit for a visit to the Queen. Take care, Bill
I ordered one that’s costs. 5900!!!! Look forward to seeing in a day or two. Thanks for your thoughtful recommendation
Hope you enjoy it 4-dog. Let me know when you get it! Take care, Bill
The deals on PF are drying up, I wanted to get a Tonda, when it was around the 5K mark.
The Metrograph looks like a great addition, just have doubts about the size.
Thanks Bill :) Happy Easter.
I keep finding watches I'd really like to have, Abdul. Better think of selling some of my collection before I go broke!...and besides I still have one last payment on another watch😉... Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci same here Bill, already selling some of my pieces to be ready to pull the trigger on one of those gems, but also to be able to make the payment of our watch. Take Care Bill.
I’d love a Parmigiani but at this point I’ll probably have to settle for having a watch with a Vaucher movement.
While you're considering a watch with a Vaucher Manufacture Fleurier (VMF) movement, there may be some affordable PFs that become available.😉 Take care, Bill
I now, as of last Friday-- have a representative of the all the "High Horology" in my shoebox. I can't get them as accurate as the iPhone, or my Grand Seiko, Spring Drive. Time zones haven't been an issue for me, because I can ask a local, "Hey, Mac, what time you got?"
I've learned from your channel and admire your passion.
It's "time" for me to diversify and to continue my journey into the world of antique, split bamboo Fly-rods. The labor theory of value, like time pieces is high and I find the art in them too.
Come to think of it, they're just a stick that can be used like the original time piece. An upright one in the ground, mark the end of the sticks' shadow; as the earth rotates the shadow shifts and a compass/ sextant can be used to determine angles, minutes and seconds in the navigational manner. Equation of time = mean solar time - (apparent solar). -21. 0r + 29 seconds from earths elliptical pathway leap year and so forth.
Sorry just thinking as I type. t = d/s which means time equals distance divided by speed.
There you have it. A compass the ultimate timepiece. Throw a strap on one and that is a thing of Art, Science and Value Sir.
When you were a pilot in the air and had to choose between a watch or a compass what would it be?
As you can See Mr. Sanders, mechanical wrist watches will gradually follow the same path as the pocket watch. Nice, some very nice indeed, but largely obsolete and as younger folks grow up without exposure to anyone walking around with a sundials on their wrist they will become more and more just antiquated jewelry.
For reasons I can't understand, it seems watches, once a necessity with a fashion or jewelry aspect to them, are becoming more and more just jewelry or pretense and lack any tangible necessity hither to an apocalypse. Most keenly for those with XY chromosomes. For the
XX-ers diamonds will remain their best friend.
Think about it, even in your circle How may men do you know that carry a pocket watch, have a spare clean handkerchief for a Lady in need of one or wear a dress hat when outdoors. 50 years ago it was all commonplace.
Cheers Mate.
Hi John, the attempt at accuracy through craftsmanship will never meet the accuracy of a $10 quartz. Enjoy fly fishing! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Indeed Sir. I can appreciate the sentiment you express and I have had fun with it.
I attended one of the wine and cheese affairs at HSNY and a Gentleman there told me a joke that I'm sure that you've already heard, as I am a neophyte in this arena. It was something along the lines about the difference between we watch collectors and Amelda Marcos and her shoes, difference being that she actually needed to wear shoes, for all the reason humans do, yet watch collectors simply collect not for themselves, but to pique others.
@@thekingbee100 😁Yes, that joke does summarize what we do ... for me, mechanical watches are a bottomless well of new tidbits about watches. Still not sure how I got into this hobby... Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci All in all Bill, It's good clean fun and I really do like your content. I haven't seen all your videos, but what I have watched enough to tell you've got a deep reservoir of knowledge and enthusiasm for the subject.
My interest in mechanical watches is sort of new. I am a self taught gunsmith and enjoyed building a collection and working on them and realized that there may be a transferable aspect from firearms into watches.
I know from the gun collecting world there is set of "personality traits" that go with the collector of them. I can see what a guy has and infer fairly accurately other things about him. Others, I'm sure do that about me and would classify my as a "fuddy-duddy." I'm starting to get the same vibe in the mechanical watch world. I suppose that is the case any avocation.
Good work Sir. I enjoy what you share about your collection and insight.
The retrograde is really nice!
Tempted Javi, or do you have more sense than I do? Take care, Bill
I recently spot a Parmigiani Fleurier Kalpa Qualite Fleurier red gold sold for usd 7k . Not sure it is a good deal, I found the steel one sold around 3k, don't find a lots of reference. My collection doesn't include a gold or white gold watch, i thought not many nice gold watch can be found in 7k, so i just go for it. It is a limited version of 50 piece.After i got the watch in hand, i found it has the same number as my roger dubuis easy diver xx of 800. Could you believe it? It make be believe this PF was destined to be mine. 🙂 When i put it on the wrist, it feels so good, the detail is amazing. Thank you Bill.
Calvin, you made a spectacularly good choice! Any QF by Parmigiani is very special. Take care, Bill
I looked at some older PF model on bracelet, it seems like they don’t have half links not micro adjustment. So the fit can be tricky?
Dad's Toys, about three links can be taken out on my Kalpa's bracelet ... that should seems to suffice for virtually any wrist for a watch this size.Finding more links for larger wrists is possible too. Take care, Bill
I have been looking for an affordable Parmigiani, preferably a round one. The metrographe would have been perfect, but the mint on black dial sadly is very unappealing to me and I am not so much attracted by the white one with rose gold markers. So I think I will be waiting to get a used newer model some day.
Good point j1e7w-never buy a watch you don't love.
I've got one, a kalpagraphe in white gold on gator band
got it for 12K euros
For a gold Kalpa, that's a great deal. How do you like it Vincent? Take care, Bill
Bill, the Kalpa XL ... is it 38mm X 51mm ? And is 51 lugs included ?
It's a big boy CW!😳 Seems to fit my wrist just right, though. Heavy quality. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, looks like your vest pocket videos have already merged with your regular feature videos - i haven't seen a video shorter than 5 minutes for a while hehehe.
But still, Parmigiani's previous catalog was rather attractive and more attainable - I just didn't have enough money back then, haha. They're still putting out attractive models on a streamlined catalogue, but they're now well out of my price bracket.
My old (big) computer died, and so I'm working on y LapTop... waiting for the monitor for my new computer. Take care, Bill
Thanks Bill
What size are these watches they look big .
40 to 42 The horn lugs make them look bigger..Bill
Used to love Parmigiani. but the new logo ? Pf - WTF - would Rolex use R ???? prefer the old tonda models - just personal opinion
Don't be so harsh, M. 'Rolex' isn't a mouthful, and neither is 'PF.' Parmigiani Fleurier is ... but I think it's fun to say. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci I hear you Bill. They are great watches - I just wonder at the branding change - to me it doesnt look or feel right - again just my HO.
@@mbire831 As long as the bean counters and PR clowns don't take over Parmigiani Fleurier, they can call it what they want.🙃
I really love this company, but I find the name to be a bit...cheesy.
I'll see myself out.
Groan...🙄 Ok...CdB here's a piece of PF history for you. Parmigiani Fleurier is owned by the Sandoz Family Foundation. Back in 1750 Jaquet Droz married Marianne Sandoz ... so, let's see what you can do with Droz-Sandoz...🤔 Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci oh I am aware of the history, and I love the timepieces, but I have not worked my way up to one yet.
This is a brand with an image problem and expectations that don’t match market reality.
Anyone can make a watch and try to sell it for a super high price but then if you can afford those super high prices you won’t be looking at PF.
Hence the reason why you can get a great deal on these watches. And this type of scavenging behaviour doesn’t help the brand image as they are trying to be seen as “exclusive”.
Ivan, there's already a waiting list on some of the new PFs...so apparently PF did something right. Most of the great deals of yore...are pretty scarce now. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci everyone has a waiting list nowadays. Time will tell what happens to PF.
And wouldn’t that put the people who buy the old stock on the wrong side of the equation since the new stuff is the must have?
@@ivansmith4242 if you’re concerned about following the herd I suppose that might be an issue, but for those like yourself whose main interest is horological … not problem 😉
@@watchartsci my only wish is that Michel Parmigiani would approach it as more than just a vanity project.
@@ivansmith4242 To no small extent all great watchmakers recognize their own talent ... FP Journe and Laurent Ferrier are two examples. It is not a "vanity project" it's just someone who expresses himself through his art... watchmaking. (Not every watch would look like a Rolex..😉 ) Take care, Bill