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- How good is PASM? When looking to buy, is it worth waiting for the right car with it fitted? How does it change the Porsche Cayman 987?
In this video I share my thoughts on how the two different PASM modes affect my car.
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Mark i love these Vlogs and the knowledge people get from them.
I do like your videos and analysis, especially when I see graphs and DATA. I have the same car with a lot of track preparation mods, such as suspension, air intake, exhaust, ecu remap and lsd. I still haven't had the pleasure of using it on track, as I purchased it last May. I keep the look of my car pure and standard.
I totally agree with the usage of PASM for the road in reference to the suspension. But, the crispness and immediacy of the throttle response when on, is huge fun! The car feels alive and ready to jump to the demands of the right foot. I tend to switch PASM on as soon as I'm out of build-up areas, choosing to switch the dampers off, thus having the best of both worlds, sporty crisp throttle and fairly comfy ride.
Can't wait to take it out on the track!
I'm really glad to have PASM on my 987.1S Boxster. The normal setting makes the car more comfortable when driving in town, on A roads and sedate B-roads. And then you press the button and the character changes and it becomes much sharper and the road and chassis feedback goes through the roof.
The Sport setting is really uncomfortable when you're driving "normally" - for the first year of ownership I would describe it as the "button that makes the ride really bad". It comes into its own when you drive the car more aggressively, i.e. can put your foot down on a twisty road. At higher speeds the ride quality smooths out again and the "stiffer" damping does its job brilliantly.
Basically, I would say that PASM Sport mode is designed for when you're really _driving_ the car - it's not for when you're just wafting around. On the other hand the Normal mode makes the car significantly better for non-sporty occasions. PASM gives you get better experiences at both ends of the spectrum :)
Just purchased my own Cayman 987 base such as yourself, Absolutely loving it.
Looking forward to see that track day :)
This was a really well done video
Sure as hell solved my question. Thanks a zillion!
My opinion has always been better to have than have not. The only downside is that the more options you want the bigger the unicorn gets near impossible to find. Thanks for the video even though I’m 2 years late.
It's also another complex system that can break, so it's not really free if you don't use it.
Great video. It’s the one thing I wanted on mine but as you said it limits choice so didn’t manage it in the end.
Looks like it will be awesome on the track.
My comment on this is that I had a 997.1 C2S with PASM at 88,000 miles with the original (2005) dampers. Sport mode on the PASM was basically unusable on the road, just way too stiff. I decided to refresh the suspension and after a lot of deliberation I eventually went for new Bilstein B4 dampers all round and original S springs.
Wow. The standard setting was super comfortable and controlled, BUT, the Sport mode was suddenly totally usable on roads most of the time (apart from REALLY rough roads) whilst being super sporty and responsive.
It's truly unbelievable and a total transformation. I wouldn't want anything different because it is now perfectly judged in both standard and sport modes which gives the car an incredible breadth of ability.
Bilstein don't sell different dampers for the 997.1 and 997.2 so I suspect they have come up with better PASM settings over the years that take the best settings of both generations. Porsche did tweak the suspension a bit for the 997.2 so I guess the damper settings were improved.
Forgot to say great video Mark it's definitely a wish list car for me I stayed for the BMW content but far too mundane to look at and never been a BMW fan since my head gasket failed on my 1977 BMW 316 back in 1988 😆🤣😂
Your description of when you take it on track reminds me of my E90 M3. Racing brake fluid makes a big difference but I'm sure you knew that already.
I have a base with 6 speed manual and PASM but hardly ever use sport setting unless the is smooth which isn’t often great video 💪🏻😎
Did you happen to test drive a car without PASM before making your purchase? As I understand it the ride quality with PASM in "comfort" is softer than that of a car without PASM. I was wondering if this is true.
as a 987.2 2.9 manual owner, I'm really interested in your analysis - I probably paid a couple of grand premium over a 987.1 S (maybe even three), to get the smaller engine car + I've "invested" £2k in tyres, main service, discs and pads + my gear selector broke @ £700!!!! and 60k on the clock, but it's buttery smooth now so money well spent.
I think the things I'm missing are a sports exhaust and maybe the sports seats - I like the trade off in ride comfort on standard springs, and the car is fast enough for me. Key for me was a sport steering wheel, which I have + the 19 inch Carrera S II alloy wheels.
My last Porsche was a 987.1 2.7 Boxster with a five speed, and I highly rate the 6 gears, makes a big difference that I was not expecting and even thought it was an option until I bought the car and found out it was standard on the 987.2
If you want to do a price comparison with my car, pls let us know as I love a spreadsheet !!!
Aha expecting some home DIY videos on the Porsche soon then! 😛
Have spoken about this a few times. Blitzing around Surrey, I turn sport mode on then soften up the PASM. This allows me to have the sharper and more immediate throttle response, more slack in the traction control and the better ride. The 987's standard setup is very well supported with little loading in the corners. I often drive with my friend in his CLA45 and another in his M2 and the cayman is by far the most planted in the twisties.
How do you "soften up the PASM"? It only has Normal (Soft) and Active/Sport mode, and when you start the car up it's always in Normal (soft) mode, even when pushing the Sports button, PASM remains in the normal mode, untill you push it (in my 981 anyways).
PASM isn’t essential. Crested headrests are essential though :)
Great video! I’ve got a 981 Cayman S coming this week and don’t have PASM. I wasn’t sure if it was too big of a deal or would put people off in the future when I go to sell it , but then talking to a couple of friends who are Porsche owners they said what you have - for road use, it isn’t essential. I’m interested to see how the passive set up rides, but at this moment I’m happy I’ve got other (perhaps arguably more essential) options ticked such as the Sports Chrono and sports exhaust
I have a 981 CS with all the options (basically a GTS) and I must admit I rarely use the PASM! I'd imagine it would be great on track but not had the opportunity yet.
Enjoy your car, they're great!
@@Chris-nj1mr thanks Chris, appreciate it! I don’t think I’ll track my car, it will be a daily, but agree PASM would likely be a great track option!
2005 997.1 C2S w PASM......it is 16 year old dampener technology, certainly has issues as noted by so many, and I’m trying to understand if a DSC unit is the best remedy versus refreshing with a 2021 state of the art coilover. Certainly the Porsche engineers are not still using 2005 PASM in 2021. My 997.1 would require an additional separate sensor just to be able to run a DSC, thus telling me that the early version of PASM is suboptimal. I’m resolved to improve it, but confused as to DSC vrs coilover. Spirited street use mainly, less frequent performance driver classes on track.
I have PASM with 19 wheels/tyres on and it makes it more tolerable for the road. What you really need with PASM is DSC V1 PASM controller, it takes more sensor inputs in to figure whether the car is cornering hard or just going over rough terrain and adjusts the damping accordingly. You can then Sport on the road whilst having that flat cornering or you can use normal mode where it is softer over rougher ground yet firms up as you start pulling Gs...I watched your DSC review on the Focus RS; prepare to confounded again...
That DSC module is $1290,- retail price. That's insane!
@@knn3th Well you get a more powerful digital signal processor, a programmer to write a code to control a suspension system and a suspension engineer to write you a set of dampening curves. Question is what does it deliver over the £500 unit Porsche will sell you. More comfort when you're getting from A to B and more handling when you are 'going for a drive'. After two years of driving the Boxster with the first 3 months without the DSC; I would pay £1500 for it and I'm not made of money. It is slightly ahead of the 718 generation of PASM systems. You can't use Sport on UK roads without it...
I don’t have experience with pasm on cayman, but comparing my old 997.2 C2 which did not have pasm with my old 997.1tt which did have pasm, what I noticed is that the normal pasm setting is softer than the non-pasm standard setting, which is in turn softer than the pasm sport setting. Personally I find the non-pasm suspension to be still a bit too firm for daily use. So I think even if one does not plan to track the car, pasm is still worth considering, esp if one prefers softer, more comfortable ride for daily use.
Thank you. That was the information I was looking for. Now if I can only find a Cayman S with PASM and PTV (at an attractive price) I will be a happy man.
I have one word to say - DSC sport controller. Pricey but wow!
I bought a vauxhall vxr8, honestly the most fun car iv ever ever had. Just somthing about a v8
Good vid Mark. For what it’s worth, on 20’s at least and on a 981, PASM gives a better ride than standard in its softer setting. The ride without PASM on 20’s was more fidgety and PASM seemed to smooth it out. Whether that’s just a 981 thing or a 20” wheel thing, I don’t know. I still wouldn’t rule out a car without PASM though if everything else was right.
I just saw this. I thought it'd interesting because I've got to came in without PASM. And I'm riding on 20s also. The car feels very tight which is perfectly fine with me. I think you might be right that the PASM can give you a more comfortable ride, but in the standard setup it's set up for sport.
@@drunvert "I've got to came in ". Speech application? Autocorrect? Gotta love modern technology, eh?
@@philipethier9136 lolol, voice to text. 😎
Long story short: PASM lowers the car by 10mm over stock (=better looks), it rides more soft than stock in normal mode, and it's rock hard in sport mode.
I have PASM on my 981 Cayman and only use normal mode. Sport is just too stiff and bumpy (haven't been on track yet).
Good to see this kind of video. But one point of constructive criticism...The 'what do Porsche engineers knows' quip is a little silly. The factory setup is one size fits all. We don't all have the same preferences. In an ideal world, you'd be able to tell Porsche how you like your cars and they'd set it up for you. As it is, it's a generic setup with an eye on safety / the lowest common denominator of driver and if you want it set up to your own preferences, you can't realistically go to Porsche. Neither PASM nor the standard passive setup on the 987 is that brilliant, chiefly because it's a compromise for a mass market remit. It's not hard to improve on it if you want a more controlled and focused drive. That said I agree the damping is OTT in PASM Sport mode. But the body control is lacking in standard mode. Solution is probably the DSC aftermarket box...
Mark, any chance you will get to drive one without PASM to compare the two?
Would one without be firmer? or just as comfy but with no extra firmness available?
Mark as soon as Covid has done one you can come drive mine for the channel 👍 an S non PASM
DSC Sport PASM controller is what you need to look into
And to add, yes , it’s to hard for the road in sport plus setting 😂
however in normal mode is it more comfy or the same as a cayman on non pasm suspension. which cayman do you have and what size wheels
This. This is what the video title suggests it is addressing. But all it's doing is comparing it to other OEMs.
What I wonder, where on your nice dampening graph falls the Cayman without PASM :) Would it be the same as PASM normal...
A Porsche without PASM rides 10mm higher and sits right in between the PASM Normal and Sport mode. It's firmer than PASM in normal mode, but not as firm as PASM in Sport mode. So it's a compromise, as you would expect.
Would I be right thinking PASM would only be effective on low mileage cars unless the suspension has been refreshed as dampers are usually good for around 60k ish 🤔
These are not regular dampers, these are active dampers. Oil is constantly being pumped in to them, they do not go "flat". If they break, they go in to the hardest setting, which is also the safest. I cannot even find a service interval for PASM.
I have found a 987.2 with PASM and it is very rare as you said. I afraid if owner picked PASM option for track usage and it makes car too tired. Do you think that PASM owners use cars more aggresively and make life of the car shorter?
No, not at all. I've learned that the Caymans are built incredibly well, I've been super hard on my car over the last 18 months and it's soaked everything up with ease.
I've got a 987.1 S but it's impossible to drive with Pasm on. Almost for me is such driving on some stones
I have been told, and am wondering if anyone can confirm or deny, that a Cayman with PASM in comfort mode is more comfortable than a Cayman without PASM.
I drove my friend's red 987.2 base car which had standard passive suspension and we both concluded; PASM normal = soft, passive car = medium, PASM sport = really hard!
@@MarkCup70 Thanks for the info. It seems like PASM makes a lot of sense if you are looking for a more comfortable ride. I test drove a 981 over the weekend the did not have PASM and thought the ride could be improved. Any thoughts on PTV? Seems to me if you are getting PASM might as well get PTV too but I don't think most people do.
On my 2.7 it wasn't an option but even on the gen 2 2.9 you don't really have enough torque to trouble the rear axle. My non LSD Cayman is far more controllable than my M140i ever was, I honestly don't miss the locking diff.
@@MarkCup70 Thanks for the info.
@@MarkCup70 Does your open-diff Cayman have the computer braking on the wheel the spins on corner exit? I have that on my Cayman 2.9 PDK, and it certainly does not turn off when i turn off the PSM. I never notice wheelspin whilst autocrossing, On my open-diff Elise, I still got some wheelspin on corner exit sometimes. Trick suspension, big front bar, so rear bar was not enough to kill it completely on the Elise.
Woot
Tried my PASM Sport once so far on Sussex roads. Turned it off after a few minutes no benefit on these roads far to fidgety in my opinion.
Years ago I had an Orange 987 S sport (funnily enough that very car is currently for sale on collecting cars as we speak, and ending in 1 hour)
PASM was bloody unbearable 😂
Unbearable, how?
@@philipethier9136 far too firm for the road, 987 chassis doesn’t need it unless you’re on track
This is interesting but you didn't really answer the fundamental question. Comparing the PASM-equipped Porsche with other models is nice, but you did not compare a Cayman with PASM to a Cayman without. Given that normal mode in PASM is reportedly more plush than the standard suspension by itself, what I was expecting this video to answer was where on your scale the standard suspension is in terms of comfort, compared to the starting point of a Cayman with PASM. So - have you driven a Cayman both with and without PASM? And where on your scale would a Cayman without PASM rank? Otherwise you might want to reconsider your video title to something like "How PASM Compares to other Adaptive Suspensions"
GET TO THE POINT! I appreciate the video but sheesh can you meter out information.