i wish all car reviews were like this, Im sick of watching some dude play with infotainment screen for 30 minutes, discuss what he thinks about the styling and then call that a review. in your video I learned a lot
I'm excited to see Dan doing these suspension deep dives and RTI scores again! I'd really like to see the Silverado ZR2 and Tundra TRD Pro up on the ramp. See if they're close to Raptor and TRX or not.
Perfect review! We all know what an F-150 is like and the interior and options. I like how you focused on the stuff that makes the Raptor a Raptor…the suspension. In detail!
Dan's suspension deep drives were great when he was with Edmunds. In college I had a vehicle dynamics class and the teacher would bring in a pool car and take the wheels off to describe what was going on with the design. I was blown away by the late 2000's Honda Accord compared to the old Taurus I was driving.
Raptor R may not have as much flex as the TRX but I love the Raptor has rwd option only & the TRX doesn’t. Nothing like drifting dirt roads in rear wheel drive. My Raptor R is scheduled for delivery on 4-3-23😎
IFS will usually flex a lot more if you run the back tires up the ramp because more weight is shifted to the front end forcing the stiffer IFS to flex out more
Ive been waiting for your review of the Raptor R forever........it was worth it. What I would love for you to incorporate is an actual Frame analysis. A TRX vs Raptor R frame comparison would be a nice touch to your suspension/ geometry videos
I wanted to buy a Raptor 2024, but I stopped after these videos because nothing new is worth buying Your words are mechanical, scientific logical words, I thank you from the depths
Ford engineers obviously know what they're doing with the suspension tune. Tuning for super slow trails is very different from tuning for jumping desert sand dunes. Of course you stilll need significant travel for wheel contact and absorbing bumps and droops, but sacrificing body and wheel control for slightly more flex will guarantee disastrous handing, particularly wheel jumping those sand dunes.
@@haydenbriggs which this truck wont be doing, as its not a track vehicle, and actually still no, number of pistons also doesnt dictate thermal capacity or dissipation either. Ford knows this is a mall crawler, and even when youre running off road hard, the far looser surface means the brakes will be even less stressed, as you wont be able to brake hard. The massive vented rotors are whats key here, after that all youve got to do is increase assist from the booster. Besides, again, this truck wont be on sticky tires, it has a towering center of gravity, the suspension is pillowy by sports car standards, it wont be generating that much braking force ever. I guarantee you the engineers at ford know how much capacity the system needed, and even if they didnt it wouldve become obvious during development. Fun fact, many race cars use smaller calipers than high end sports cars, because they know what they need and dont wanna add unnecessary weight and cost, where as on street cars being bought for ego and never pushed, you get guys like op who THINK big brakes mean something when they dont. The last car i upgraded the calipers on, they were wilwood 4 pistons, but they were tiny, literally lighter than the factory single pistons the car came with, and i retained factory sized rotors as there was no reason to upgrade. Added a proportioning valve, good pads, and a set of re-71r's and out braked my clients porsche 911 by a good margin, with better pedal modulation, despite having much smaller brakes. And if id kept that car long enough to add enough power to need more thermal capacity, i wouldve don so via brake ducts, not increasing unsprung and some rotational mass with unnecessarily large brakes.
@@haydenbriggs That is not true. For more consistent stops for extended use, you want more thermal mass, not more pistons. Brakes fade is due to heat so you want larger rotors and calipers so they have more thermal capacity. More pistons does not nessasariy equal more thermal capacity.
@Pawan Sandhu Four pistons over two or even 6 over two is a definite increase in surface area that will be applied to the brake pad. Of course, brake fade is due to heat mainly, but would you not agree that a 4 pot or 6pot caliper is superior in every way when it comes to also handling heat and how well it is able to brake more consistent until said heated conditions. If that weren't true then why would almost every sports car have 4, 6, 8, or even 10 piston calipers? Cause they're cool?
I saw the beautiful videos that you prepare excellent, I distributed them to the followers of the raptor, the question is the front and rear suspension system in the raptor r the same as in the raptor 2022 size 35 I am waiting for your answer because you are one of the Ford experts and a great effort you make in your channel iam wanting 4 your answer ple
I had an R and a TRX. Sold the R. TRX is the nicer truck hands down. Nicer interior, better fit and finish, sounds better, looks better and real world performance =.
@@Sackmatters Power Wagons squat a ton with heavy payloads too. Because PWs have soft springs for off-road ride quality just like every other off-road focused truck. Hell it's very easy to get similar payload capacities in both the PW and a Raptor.
@@Sackmatters Powerwagon payload (as a 3/4 ton) truck is 1,560lbs. Raptor R payload (as a half ton) is 1,400lbs. 1,560 is pathetic for a 3/4 ton truck.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 Have you ever put one on a lift and taken a look underneath it. The drive shaft is bigger than your thigh. All the running gear is overbuilt, It's almost comical how massive everything is. The reason the payload is light is because the truck weighs 7800 lb empty. It's not a off-road desert racer. It's an off-road basher and is extremely capable. I had a 2016 and I'm pretty sure it will out articulate the raptor, I'd be interested to see.
Dont need to be any bigger though. If it's like earlier Raptors I think they all used standard F-150 stuff which is designed to tow (and stop) pretty substantial weight.
People that have owned both will attest that the Raptor is much more capable off-road, so it seems there's more to off-road capability than suspension flex.
Billet UCA’s only work on the TRD Pro fanboys. That way they can resell them to someone with a TRD Off-road along with the TRD pro wheels and TRD pro suspension they take off immediately after leaving the lot.
Loved this review! … And I think Ford Performance did a great job in achieving more HP with less weight, and good automotive engineering. Now, about that mpg and price tag … 😳😎🍷🛻🇺🇸
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i wish all car reviews were like this, Im sick of watching some dude play with infotainment screen for 30 minutes, discuss what he thinks about the styling and then call that a review. in your video I learned a lot
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I'm excited to see Dan doing these suspension deep dives and RTI scores again! I'd really like to see the Silverado ZR2 and Tundra TRD Pro up on the ramp. See if they're close to Raptor and TRX or not.
Stay tuned...
The Silverado ZR2 & especially the Tundra TRD Pro were disappointing.
Perfect review! We all know what an F-150 is like and the interior and options. I like how you focused on the stuff that makes the Raptor a Raptor…the suspension. In detail!
Dan's suspension deep drives were great when he was with Edmunds. In college I had a vehicle dynamics class and the teacher would bring in a pool car and take the wheels off to describe what was going on with the design. I was blown away by the late 2000's Honda Accord compared to the old Taurus I was driving.
Raptor R may not have as much flex as the TRX but I love the Raptor has rwd option only & the TRX doesn’t. Nothing like drifting dirt roads in rear wheel drive. My Raptor R is scheduled for delivery on 4-3-23😎
Agreed one of the best reviews I’ve ever seen. Actual mechanical explanations not talking about Apple play and how it’s fast when you pin it
You deserve a second comment. This is THE best review of any Raptor!
IFS will usually flex a lot more if you run the back tires up the ramp because more weight is shifted to the front end forcing the stiffer IFS to flex out more
beautifully nerdy. Love it. If only ford did this in a supercab and preferably with less power(circa 500) because that 700 is just not usable anywhere
Well in a 4x4 truck your looking at about 550 wheel roughly so it loses alot of power because of tires and 4x4 system
Yeah shame the SCab went away. Loved the shorter wheelbase that it had.
Ford is not in business to make things people don’t buy. Super cab sells we’re/are none existent
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Ive been waiting for your review of the Raptor R forever........it was worth it.
What I would love for you to incorporate is an actual Frame analysis. A TRX vs Raptor R frame comparison would be a nice touch to your suspension/ geometry videos
This Dan guy is pretty smart
I wanted to buy a Raptor 2024, but I stopped after these videos because nothing new is worth buying Your words are mechanical, scientific logical words, I thank you from the depths
Fantastic video as always! Never gets tiring seeing all the cool details that are largely overlooked on so many other channels.
Wow that trx!
Reservoir also allows for more travel out of the same compressed length of shock without going emulsion.
Man, I love this type of review
Ford engineers obviously know what they're doing with the suspension tune. Tuning for super slow trails is very different from tuning for jumping desert sand dunes. Of course you stilll need significant travel for wheel contact and absorbing bumps and droops, but sacrificing body and wheel control for slightly more flex will guarantee disastrous handing, particularly wheel jumping those sand dunes.
Yet the TRX was also the more nimble when driven back to back with he Raptor by multiple testing outlets, interesting.
Very cool vid...showed actually interesting, unique stuff.
love to see some OLD 4x4's too. maybe a Land cruiser prado! KZJ78? KZJ73? KZJ70? how about some G wagons.. 2 door even!
Excellent video.
Dam, Dan... Your the man!
You would think they would put better brakes than 2 piston units in the front given its enormous weight.
More pistons doesnt mean more stop...
@@noncog1 Means better stop after more constant and hard braking.
@@haydenbriggs which this truck wont be doing, as its not a track vehicle, and actually still no, number of pistons also doesnt dictate thermal capacity or dissipation either. Ford knows this is a mall crawler, and even when youre running off road hard, the far looser surface means the brakes will be even less stressed, as you wont be able to brake hard. The massive vented rotors are whats key here, after that all youve got to do is increase assist from the booster. Besides, again, this truck wont be on sticky tires, it has a towering center of gravity, the suspension is pillowy by sports car standards, it wont be generating that much braking force ever. I guarantee you the engineers at ford know how much capacity the system needed, and even if they didnt it wouldve become obvious during development. Fun fact, many race cars use smaller calipers than high end sports cars, because they know what they need and dont wanna add unnecessary weight and cost, where as on street cars being bought for ego and never pushed, you get guys like op who THINK big brakes mean something when they dont. The last car i upgraded the calipers on, they were wilwood 4 pistons, but they were tiny, literally lighter than the factory single pistons the car came with, and i retained factory sized rotors as there was no reason to upgrade. Added a proportioning valve, good pads, and a set of re-71r's and out braked my clients porsche 911 by a good margin, with better pedal modulation, despite having much smaller brakes. And if id kept that car long enough to add enough power to need more thermal capacity, i wouldve don so via brake ducts, not increasing unsprung and some rotational mass with unnecessarily large brakes.
@@haydenbriggs That is not true. For more consistent stops for extended use, you want more thermal mass, not more pistons. Brakes fade is due to heat so you want larger rotors and calipers so they have more thermal capacity. More pistons does not nessasariy equal more thermal capacity.
@Pawan Sandhu Four pistons over two or even 6 over two is a definite increase in surface area that will be applied to the brake pad. Of course, brake fade is due to heat mainly, but would you not agree that a 4 pot or 6pot caliper is superior in every way when it comes to also handling heat and how well it is able to brake more consistent until said heated conditions. If that weren't true then why would almost every sports car have 4, 6, 8, or even 10 piston calipers? Cause they're cool?
I saw the beautiful videos that you prepare excellent, I distributed them to the followers of the raptor, the question is the front and rear suspension system in the raptor r the same as in the raptor 2022 size 35 I am waiting for your answer because you are one of the Ford experts and a great effort you make in your channel iam wanting 4 your answer ple
"A great daily...if you can afford to put gas in it" 😂😂
Is the twin bar per side rear axle set up considered a modified 4 link? So with 4 bars + a pan hard bar…a 5-link or multi link rear end?
Depends on what circle youre in. Id call it a 4 link with panhard bar
Multilink usually refers to independent suspension, whereas this has a solid axle, so I would refer to it as a 4 link with panhard rod.
In the off-road community it's a 5 link. When you hear 4 link it refers to a triangulated 4 link like prerunners and trophy trucks have.
Nice vintage calculator 👌
I had an R and a TRX. Sold the R. TRX is the nicer truck hands down. Nicer interior, better fit and finish, sounds better, looks better and real world performance =.
I bet that TRX put you down after 150k miles *if you try to use it like a real baja truck
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr you obviously have no clue.
@@evanharris3802 you're saying Elon Musk doesn't know what he's talking about??
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr you can’t be that lost. Lol.
@@evanharris3802 you're saying you know better than Elon Musk, which i highly doubt that
I'd like to see the power wagon in this contest.
Power wagons a real 3/4 ton truck. These trucks aren’t even real 1/2 tons. They squat with a 2 place trailer.
@@Sackmatters Power Wagons squat a ton with heavy payloads too. Because PWs have soft springs for off-road ride quality just like every other off-road focused truck. Hell it's very easy to get similar payload capacities in both the PW and a Raptor.
@@Sackmatters Do you even know what half ton means?
@@Sackmatters Powerwagon payload (as a 3/4 ton) truck is 1,560lbs. Raptor R payload (as a half ton) is 1,400lbs. 1,560 is pathetic for a 3/4 ton truck.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 Have you ever put one on a lift and taken a look underneath it. The drive shaft is bigger than your thigh. All the running gear is overbuilt, It's almost comical how massive everything is. The reason the payload is light is because the truck weighs 7800 lb empty. It's not a off-road desert racer. It's an off-road basher and is extremely capable. I had a 2016 and I'm pretty sure it will out articulate the raptor, I'd be interested to see.
Cool CALCULATOR! He must be an ENGINEER!
Total discrimination, some people can buy for MSRP and some people pay double.
Good thing the flex isn't the focus of the Raptor though!
Those rear brakes are tiny.
Dont need to be any bigger though. If it's like earlier Raptors I think they all used standard F-150 stuff which is designed to tow (and stop) pretty substantial weight.
The TRX has 35’s
Those wheels definitely aren’t 37”. The tires are close though
People that have owned both will attest that the Raptor is much more capable off-road, so it seems there's more to off-road capability than suspension flex.
Double wishbones like an old Civic. Nice
the raptor weighs 500 pounds less right?
So what side of the fence is he on ??? 😕😕 ford or dodge
37s
700hp 6000lbs
Tiny breaks
Trx ALWAYS dominates
TRX Win 🤌👍
Wow, ford couldn’t even go billet on the UCA’s ?
How much for this thing?
Billet UCA’s only work on the TRD Pro fanboys. That way they can resell them to someone with a TRD Off-road along with the TRD pro wheels and TRD pro suspension they take off immediately after leaving the lot.
😂😂 dumb af
It also smoke the TRX. 😁
I will still take the TRX
Both of them are never going to hit anything higher than a curb at Starbucks.
you think I care? I just want to drive down the highway with my big black FORD logo. Ram be damned, although if they made an Oakley version...
😂 what ?
That's some good satire.
Loved this review! … And I think Ford Performance did a great job in achieving more HP with less weight, and good automotive engineering. Now, about that mpg and price tag … 😳😎🍷🛻🇺🇸