There's gonna be comments about this so i'll address the comment I made about "nosegrinds/overcrooks". Every thrasher mag, every transworld mag, Leo Romero, Nyjah, Yuto, Reynolds, all call "overcrooks" on rails nosegrinds, because balancing a nosegrind on a round rail like a ledge is just something most people don't do. It IS technically an overcrook, but there's a big history where skateboarding basically decided on calling it a nosegrind. If you're a skateboarder, who ends up skating with a lot of people, a lot of those people will tell you, it's a nosegrind, some might say it's an overcrook, either way, you know what it means. but straight up, the best skateboarders in the world call it a nosegrind. 👊
I started skating in the early 2000s where the only content of skating you saw was either in magazines or the same skate videos you watched over and over in your town. If you paid attention you would notice that in the mags when someone is doing a FS overcrook on a round bar they would call it a nosegrind. That’s just how it was. There’s so much confusion about this trick. (And I can see why) Same with salads and suski grinds as well as nollie board slides and nollie lip slides. Either way it doesn’t matter. Call it whatever you like. It’s just skateboarding. Have fun with it .
Yeah, I think how much people get hung up on trick names is a bit silly. At least, you should never harass anyone because of it. If I'm eating a cheeseburger and call it a burger who cares, same as if I called it a basketball, I'm still eating it either way and it's gonna taste the same.
okay... what about the very first thing you talked about? A feeble vs. a smith has nothing to do with what direction you're coming from or what stance you're in. A feeble is when your front trucks go over the side of the rail you're on, and a smith stays on the same side.
Thrasher and Transworld used to get trick names wrong all the time, there wasn’t a logical reason they called fs overcrooks, nosegrinds. There is no reason to continue calling it a fs nosegrind aside from “nosegrinds are too hard…”, or for the sake of being contrarian.
5:0 on rails are much different from ledges, you have to be precise with where you put your back truck on. The best tip for them is to put all your weight on your back foot, stay above the rail, and lean back a little.
Thanks for this tutorial! Very helpful //// I wish the skate community would all agree to use the terms “heel-side” and “toe-side” when explaining tricks instead of “left” and “right”. Then you don’t have to worry about goofy vs regular- you can explain it one way and it will make sense for any stance. Would make things easier for everyone, why is this not a standard thing by now…
Slides and grinds scared me as well, there's no shame on wearing a helmet practising if you don't feel safe... I did and I still have a couple in the back of my car, in case I try to learn some new ones. Grinds/slides on stairs are a no no for me,
Some of the most fun sessions I've had are just a rail in a carpark/netball court. Solid informative video! Now to actually land go some harder grinds.
I love your trick tip videos, they're so straight forward and no nonsense. Even if I'm not in a place to do them, I know I can come back to it when I'm ready.
Your videos are the best! They always gets me pumped to go out and just focus on the fundamentals, which in turn make me a more advanced skater. As a 36-year-old father, Its a lot harder to stay on my game, but you keep reigniting my desire to get out there and shred. You da man! Quick question, can’t seem to figure out how to fix my trucks from making my board drift /turn to one side. Like if I push my board in front of me, it drifts to the left. Assuming since I’m regular and bc that’s my heel side , that is the cause, but is there a fix for that?? Maybe harder bushings?? Would be nice to throw my board down tail facing forward and not feel awkward lol. Might be wishful thinking tho…
I've seen Powell Peralta's guy @ZachDoelling visually demonstrate why a nose grind isn't an overcrook, depends on where your weight is centered on the rail and how the board is angled away from the rail vs centered. Overcrook angles over, leans and pinches while nosegrind should sit direct center on the rail. The difference is huge and should be noted, pro or not. Pros insisting an oc is a ng usually just don't have the board control to choose which one they lock in. Great video nonetheless, no hate here
As a 90s skater that did not have internet tutorials at my fingertips.. I have to say: there is no excuse for kids these days.. you should all be able to shred
5:40 so if you pause it there. What grind would it be, if you were actually grinding towards the direction of the camera in that same position. Meaning the nose would actually be the tail in that scenario.
I've been working on fs feebles for a couple days on a round rail and I've managed to slide a several times, but it's definitely hard to stay balanced and not nosedive. Maybe I will try approaching with a less angle next time to stay on the back seat a little more.
doing 50-50 on a square rail feels trickier than doing it on a curb. Do you recommend the wheels touching the rail while grinding or grinding without having the wheels touch the rail?
The way i understood it, a crooked was the nose grind leaned over the side you came from. Over crooked was sort of the same but you pushed the board over the rail to the otherside from the one you came from.
Ive seen people balancing a nosegrind on a round rail, for example Tom Penny did it back in the 90s/2000, theres footage of it somewhere, it was at a skatepark and balances it perfectly without pinching or anything
Not gonna lie, this was the first video of yours I watched and it inspired me to buy a grind rail so I can mess around and work on grinds on my board simply because I was getting bored doing flatground tricks.
I always kinda felt like there was more of a difference between feeble grinds n smiths where a smith grind kinda hangs lower n off the obstacle where the feeble sits on top. I get how interchangeable they can look on a round rail or flat rail, but smith grinds on a ledge will always hang low when feebles look similar whether frontside or backside
i’d say try your best to look around your area for curbs, ledges, and rails. it’s definitely a lot easier if you have a skatepark nearby. if you don’t have either your best bet is buying a flatbar online for 100-300 dollars, or any other obstacle you wish for. shit you could even make your own!
what is everyones favorite skate shoe, i skated vans sk8 hi pros, and ive been skating a pair of half cabs for about 6 months and i just ordered a pair of lakai slip ons and im wondering what ill try once these wear out
I’m an old skater who hasn’t really got my board out in like a year or two and I can honestly say this video made me want to go out in my front drive and learn these tricks I wish John was doing this when I was younger lol we all would of been ripping way better then we did ha ha
i'm with GG. nosegrinds on round rails are real. yeah, they both pinch under the front heel side wheel, but the balance points are different. if the board is angled enough you get much better leverage for balance, because technically you're balancing like a teetertotter. which is crooks. nosegrinds are like 5-0 or a heel side locked 50-50. they're more of a glide on your heel side and keep your feet flat using your ankles... hard but possible. people can do one or the other, but some can do both, and if there is a difference, then it's a different trick imo.
isn't it that even if u approach the rail bs or fs the feeble grind is when u put your nose of the board over the rail? like u go for a fs freble and u're goofy u put your back truck on the rail and the front truck over to the left side, and when you're goofi and go for a bs feeble the back tot the rail and the front over to the right. please correct me if I'm wrong!?!
My story is that when i started skating i used to have my ollie position quite awkward, i used to have my front foot almost in the middle of the board but i could do 50-50, 5-0 and sometimes even smith just fine and then i tried to relearn my skating with my front foot closer to the front bolts and i cannot jump as high and it feels more sketchy :/
@@almasysephirot4996 yes thats what i thought but i have a feeling is not as good technically and with legs closer together it can affect stability and another thing is then doing tricks that require you to move your foot to the nose like crooked and noseslide or nosegrind or overcrook its harder because you have to move the foot too far. I was and probably still am making a mistake by not pulling the foot all the way to the nose that why i was doing it that way and created a bad habit. maybe it has to do something that when i was learning ollie my skate didnt have a griptape so i unintentionally created some bad habits as result
Hey John thanks alot for the awesome video :) You said that the feeble is the easiest grind to do but is it also the first one that I should learn? Wasn't really sure since I thought that the first grind is gonna be a 5050. Always super excited when you upload :)) keep it up.
There's gonna be comments about this so i'll address the comment I made about "nosegrinds/overcrooks". Every thrasher mag, every transworld mag, Leo Romero, Nyjah, Yuto, Reynolds, all call "overcrooks" on rails nosegrinds, because balancing a nosegrind on a round rail like a ledge is just something most people don't do. It IS technically an overcrook, but there's a big history where skateboarding basically decided on calling it a nosegrind. If you're a skateboarder, who ends up skating with a lot of people, a lot of those people will tell you, it's a nosegrind, some might say it's an overcrook, either way, you know what it means. but straight up, the best skateboarders in the world call it a nosegrind. 👊
I started skating in the early 2000s where the only content of skating you saw was either in magazines or the same skate videos you watched over and over in your town. If you paid attention you would notice that in the mags when someone is doing a FS overcrook on a round bar they would call it a nosegrind. That’s just how it was. There’s so much confusion about this trick. (And I can see why) Same with salads and suski grinds as well as nollie board slides and nollie lip slides.
Either way it doesn’t matter. Call it whatever you like. It’s just skateboarding. Have fun with it .
Yeah, I think how much people get hung up on trick names is a bit silly. At least, you should never harass anyone because of it. If I'm eating a cheeseburger and call it a burger who cares, same as if I called it a basketball, I'm still eating it either way and it's gonna taste the same.
okay... what about the very first thing you talked about? A feeble vs. a smith has nothing to do with what direction you're coming from or what stance you're in. A feeble is when your front trucks go over the side of the rail you're on, and a smith stays on the same side.
Thrasher and Transworld used to get trick names wrong all the time, there wasn’t a logical reason they called fs overcrooks, nosegrinds. There is no reason to continue calling it a fs nosegrind aside from “nosegrinds are too hard…”, or for the sake of being contrarian.
@@Josh_Thompson Yup that is because it depended on who wrote the article haha.
5:0 on rails are much different from ledges, you have to be precise with where you put your back truck on. The best tip for them is to put all your weight on your back foot, stay above the rail, and lean back a little.
it's soooo much harder
Tomorrow is my birthday and I'll take this video from john as a present
Happy birthday
Happy birthday!
Thank you!!!
happy birthday man 🎉🥳🎈
@@c_stacks2682 thanks!!! :)
I wish I saw this when I was 12. You are helping so many new skaters in a huge way.
Right!? Lol
I’m in my late twenties now and it’s much harder to get back into skating especially with work and responsibilities getting in the way
Thanks for this tutorial! Very helpful //// I wish the skate community would all agree to use the terms “heel-side” and “toe-side” when explaining tricks instead of “left” and “right”. Then you don’t have to worry about goofy vs regular- you can explain it one way and it will make sense for any stance. Would make things easier for everyone, why is this not a standard thing by now…
I’ve always been intimidated with grinding and avoided it, this video inspired me to give it a try, thanks.
Slides and grinds scared me as well, there's no shame on wearing a helmet practising if you don't feel safe... I did and I still have a couple in the back of my car, in case I try to learn some new ones. Grinds/slides on stairs are a no no for me,
Some of the most fun sessions I've had are just a rail in a carpark/netball court. Solid informative video! Now to actually land go some harder grinds.
I love your trick tip videos, they're so straight forward and no nonsense. Even if I'm not in a place to do them, I know I can come back to it when I'm ready.
Your videos are the best! They always gets me pumped to go out and just focus on the fundamentals, which in turn make me a more advanced skater. As a 36-year-old father, Its a lot harder to stay on my game, but you keep reigniting my desire to get out there and shred. You da man!
Quick question, can’t seem to figure out how to fix my trucks from making my board drift /turn to one side. Like if I push my board in front of me, it drifts to the left. Assuming since I’m regular and bc that’s my heel side , that is the cause, but is there a fix for that?? Maybe harder bushings?? Would be nice to throw my board down tail facing forward and not feel awkward lol. Might be wishful thinking tho…
Front feebles r impossible for me :(
Feels soooo awkward to have my toes be the center of gravity
U gotta strengthen the ankles more and it will be easier🙃
ddnt john say to bring the heel of ur foot as much as u can to the toeside? cuz having toes do the work of heels i imagine is very tricky.
I've seen Powell Peralta's guy @ZachDoelling visually demonstrate why a nose grind isn't an overcrook, depends on where your weight is centered on the rail and how the board is angled away from the rail vs centered. Overcrook angles over, leans and pinches while nosegrind should sit direct center on the rail. The difference is huge and should be noted, pro or not. Pros insisting an oc is a ng usually just don't have the board control to choose which one they lock in. Great video nonetheless, no hate here
Thank you for this. Just got back on the board after a 13 yr hiatus and feel like I have to relearn everything
As a 90s skater that did not have internet tutorials at my fingertips.. I have to say: there is no excuse for kids these days.. you should all be able to shred
I've been relearning skating lately to stay in shape and I'm having fun again, this is a great refresher
⬇️ Number of people who love John Hill and get excited every time he uploads!
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5:40 so if you pause it there. What grind would it be, if you were actually grinding towards the direction of the camera in that same position. Meaning the nose would actually be the tail in that scenario.
that would be salad grind
In my country is 3am i stayed on youtube just to get a notification from john hill
You should've also noted that when using tic tac tight trucks, you will have alot harder of a time doing these grinds on any rail..
I watched this whole video in preparation for trying out your flat bar wish me luck🤣
Good luck Haley
I can only ride into a few grinds, and poorly. Still afraid to Ollie into them.
Love your channel
that is amazing (:
I’m literally buying a rail today & out of no where I see this amazing video from John. I’m taking it as a sign I’ll have good luck learning feebles
Did you land them?
I've been working on fs feebles for a couple days on a round rail and I've managed to slide a several times, but it's definitely hard to stay balanced and not nosedive. Maybe I will try approaching with a less angle next time to stay on the back seat a little more.
You made grinds easier to understand. Thanks bro
Great video! I just landed my first proper bs feeble grind on a round rail on Saturday and I’m keen to learn some new grinds
This is a classic! I come back to this from time to time
Yay I love watching John before heading out to a sesh :))
Thank you very much, John, I will go and attempt these tricks now
Thanks my guy🤙
soooo sweaty! lol hardest working man in skateboarding
Thank you Thank you Thank you John 🙏
doing 50-50 on a square rail feels trickier than doing it on a curb. Do you recommend the wheels touching the rail while grinding or grinding without having the wheels touch the rail?
The way i understood it, a crooked was the nose grind leaned over the side you came from. Over crooked was sort of the same but you pushed the board over the rail to the otherside from the one you came from.
Hands on the board is good advice, thanks man
Perfect timing, thanks!
John is the best youtuber, he deserves 1 mill
Anyone else agree?
Yeah you're right Tristan
ah thank you (: trying my best
@@JohnHill o.O backwards smiley face
So close to 1 mil subs!
Ive seen people balancing a nosegrind on a round rail, for example Tom Penny did it back in the 90s/2000, theres footage of it somewhere, it was at a skatepark and balances it perfectly without pinching or anything
This videos acc so helpful I recently came back into to skating and this video made grinding so much easier for me
Thanks John.
mr jhon hill how manny speed can use in smith grind recomended of speed ? give me some advice thanks from philipines
Not gonna lie, this was the first video of yours I watched and it inspired me to buy a grind rail so I can mess around and work on grinds on my board simply because I was getting bored doing flatground tricks.
Trying to learn to skate rails now this really helped
Visual the grind pinches in yo mind
MOREVIDEOS LIKE THIS PLS ur soo good at explaining grinds
The only flat bar at my skatepark is knee high ontop of a box so it’s difficult to learn new tricks on. Might look into getting one of my own
Wa lsooking for a video like this earlier
this helps sooo much cuz i am gonna practice grinding EVERY grinding tricks that existed thx ✌
Great video! I missed your tutorials!
Keep up the good work mate!
God loves us and God Bless! awesome vid dude
I always kinda felt like there was more of a difference between feeble grinds n smiths where a smith grind kinda hangs lower n off the obstacle where the feeble sits on top. I get how interchangeable they can look on a round rail or flat rail, but smith grinds on a ledge will always hang low when feebles look similar whether frontside or backside
feebles and smiths on ledges are definitely a much much different trick. I love the way feebles look on ledges.
This is exactly the video I need!
Is a backside overcrook a backside nosegrind too?
You should check out the obsbot cameras, they auto follow. So you can skate without having to move a tripod all the time.
Precious tips, thank you!🙏
Great video man, keep up the hard work
Keep making great content John
Thanks for a super informative video. Great help!
If there were videos like this when I was younger, I would have gotten much better at skating. Thanks for this 👍🏻
Спасибо! 🤙🏻
I picked up the flat rail and finally learned my first back boardslide at 30 years old. I love the rail thanks John. 5050 still scary though lol
this is exactly what i needed. i love you dude thanks
Thanks for the vid helps alot
Smith is one of the most stylish tricks.
Thank you for this
not alot of things that feel better than the scrape feeling as your trucks hit a rail/coping. never getting over that feeling
I recently got back into skating, this will be very helpful :)
I got a question ? I want to start learning grinds but I have nothing to grind. What do I do?
i’d say try your best to look around your area for curbs, ledges, and rails. it’s definitely a lot easier if you have a skatepark nearby. if you don’t have either your best bet is buying a flatbar online for 100-300 dollars, or any other obstacle you wish for. shit you could even make your own!
Does it matter if my tail grinds with the ledge or rail with 5.0?
love the content John, you're a literal inspiration. Keep it up and keep doing you man.
Where can I get this rail
love your videos man!!! keep up the great work!bbb
Love ur vids this helped
Amazing video and explanation! Thanks :)
thanks for good info
John where can I buy these rails?
what is everyones favorite skate shoe, i skated vans sk8 hi pros, and ive been skating a pair of half cabs for about 6 months and i just ordered a pair of lakai slip ons and im wondering what ill try once these wear out
My favorite are dc purse, only because they last so long. The board feel suffers a bit, but they've outlasted all my other shoes
2nd or 5th! Much love Brother! Keep the vibes up!
This video was super helpful actually, I skate street rails but I want to get better at sitting on flatbars
This helped a lot 👌
I’m an old skater who hasn’t really got my board out in like a year or two and I can honestly say this video made me want to go out in my front drive and learn these tricks I wish John was doing this when I was younger lol we all would of been ripping way better then we did ha ha
i'm with GG. nosegrinds on round rails are real. yeah, they both pinch under the front heel side wheel, but the balance points are different. if the board is angled enough you get much better leverage for balance, because technically you're balancing like a teetertotter. which is crooks. nosegrinds are like 5-0 or a heel side locked 50-50. they're more of a glide on your heel side and keep your feet flat using your ankles... hard but possible. people can do one or the other, but some can do both, and if there is a difference, then it's a different trick imo.
Bro I love John hill he’s my favourite skater
Same
That intro was pretty smooth, John
Thank youuuuu, this video will serve me well this year! 🤟🏻🤩 John you are simply the best!
this iss the video i needded
this dude is so sweaty
My guy you’re melting
Please upload this to Instagram so I can save it!!
Thanks man . I’ll probably keep watching this video a lot for help
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH AWESOME LESSON I GET IT NOW !!!! PINCH PINCH PICH!!
Darksliiiiide!
Like the style in this one 👌 😎
So surprised I wasn't subscribed, I watch u videos all the time
Thanks bro I have been thinking about some of those grinds lately now I'm excited to go for it! 👍👍👍
isn't it that even if u approach the rail bs or fs the feeble grind is when u put your nose of the board over the rail? like u go for a fs freble and u're goofy u put your back truck on the rail and the front truck over to the left side, and when you're goofi and go for a bs feeble the back tot the rail and the front over to the right. please correct me if I'm wrong!?!
My story is that when i started skating i used to have my ollie position quite awkward, i used to have my front foot almost in the middle of the board but i could do 50-50, 5-0 and sometimes even smith just fine and then i tried to relearn my skating with my front foot closer to the front bolts and i cannot jump as high and it feels more sketchy :/
Why not stick with the old position if it worked better for you?
middle is good.. you have more real estate for pulling the grip up in the air
@@almasysephirot4996 yes thats what i thought but i have a feeling is not as good technically and with legs closer together it can affect stability and another thing is then doing tricks that require you to move your foot to the nose like crooked and noseslide or nosegrind or overcrook its harder because you have to move the foot too far. I was and probably still am making a mistake by not pulling the foot all the way to the nose that why i was doing it that way and created a bad habit. maybe it has to do something that when i was learning ollie my skate didnt have a griptape so i unintentionally created some bad habits as result
R u gonna do a slides one
Killing it keeping you are awesome thank you for awesome content
Hey John thanks alot for the awesome video :) You said that the feeble is the easiest grind to do but is it also the first one that I should learn? Wasn't really sure since I thought that the first grind is gonna be a 5050.
Always super excited when you upload :)) keep it up.
Hey John - Keep Killllllinnnnnnnnnnng Iiiiiiit!! Love to see more details on say for 50-50 for rails.