@@Richard0503 outstanding. Ya the whole disc detainer journey was tough for me. Not to say it’s over but the first few chapters were pretty rough. I just couldn’t understand what I was trying to feel for after only picking pin tumbler locks for so long. But now I enjoy the challenge. Let me know if I can help with anything else. Email is probably the best way. Thanks for taking the time to connect.
This is amazing advice. Since I bought my first generic DD pick and it broke of almost immediately I was looking for some replacement. Had it temporarily soldered back together, but with lead solder, which as one might expect, isn't very strong. Trying to braze a tip on another I managed to melt it, somehow, but as I am a hoarder, I've kept their "remains" stored until I figure out how to repair them. If I had a TIG welder, I probably would try to spot weld it, but I don't have one. I even started to consider taking a 1.5 mm hex key and rework it into a tip, and then decided to look on the net, as it came to me I couldn't be the only one with that problem. It was the sole reason I didn't bought Sparrows pick, as I feared I'll destroy it like the chinese ones. And here you come, with cheap and easy solution for that dilemma. I feel more confident working with grinder and files, especially precision ones, so as soon as you showed that ejector pin I jumped into AliExpress to buy a bunch of them :) I simply wasn't aware such things exist. Thank you very much!
First, be sure to buy the right size, second, next time you want to make tips of any kind, either use solid pieces like this or try using silver solder, it's super strong. I just made a couple tips for a fellow locksport member. let me know if I can help any further. All my contact info is located in my ABOUT section of home page. Also, be aware of picking the super cheap DD locks, they can be very rough due to several things like awful manufacturing, sloppy tolerances and they can even feel like they have sand in them. So I highly recommend learning on something like Kryptonite. Check out my Disc Detainer Locks playlist for ideas.. Thank you very much for checking out my channel, I hope you stick around
Yes, you will only need one but I like to make them so I have several now. These will NOT break off. The sizes I posted on end of video are tried and true. I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick yet so I like to think that speaks for itself.
Awesome video!! I just recently purchase a small tabletop bench grinder (with 3” wheels) last week to make a ‘specialize tool’ for LPU’s brown belt. Now, i know another thing i can use the grinder for. Thank you! =)
Fantastic !!. They are really handy. This also came with a Dremel type flex line that screws into that socket on the right side so it’s really a 3 in one. Good luck on the whole belt thing.
@@AlbertLebel yeah, my tabletop bench grinder came with Dremel attachment too. I got mine from Amazon for like 80 bucks. We both probably got the same model. =)
@@kewltune4683 Yes, or at least darn close. I use it all the time. But not with the flex line attached. I actually bought a Dremel that hangs and I have a flex line on that one. I like options.
I have made a few pick tips with injection pins like these but I'm not really good with machining small parts myself. So I just figured I'd let you know incase you don't know already; sparrows has started selling replacement pick tips for the dd pick. If I remember right it's like $5ish for two and a couple grub screws and a allen wrench. I know the sparrows ones are just spot welded, so they don't hold up like these do, but for the price it's worth not having to buy the pins and make your own just to get the dd pick back working again.
It’s actually well worth it to make these. You only have to make one. It will last forever. I guess they sell spares because so many people complained their tips fell off. I absolutely love Sparrows tools. Their my favorite lock tool shop. But they dropped the ball on the tips. But I understand if you just cant make them. I’m that way with picks. I rather buy several than make my own, it’s just easier. To each their own. Thanks for the honest feedback. Stay cool Phred.
Great how-to Big Al! My approach to making these is almost identical.. now if I could just get my DD picking skills close to yours! 🤣 I'll keep at it! Take care buddy! 👍👍
Hey Brad, I started right where you are my friend. I was highly intimidated at first. Start will something easy, look at my early DD lock vids. You can do it
@bradw 053 Practice makes perfect. Buy a bunch of DD padlocs, the cheap ones, and try, try, try until you catch that feeling of them "working in your hand". You'll know when you feel it yourself. Then move a notch higher, bit difficult ones. It's important not to give up and not to try too hard. You can't get one open? Move to another one, and, very important, don't overwork yourself as you'll just get frustrated. Leave it for a while, do something completely different, return to it a week or so later and try again with cool and clear mind. I myself have one such padlock I simply cannot open. Its locked onto a bars of the gate on one of properties I manage, not locking anything, just hanging there since someone lost the keys. I could simply cut it and take home, but it just gives you that feeling of "working in the field". Even more interesting is that I can open couple of the same ones, from the same manufacturer, but not this specific one. I come there once or twice a month to do some unrelated work, but I always take my DD pick there, to try it in my free time. And I know I'll get it opened one day ;)
Great video i recently made one for my Chinesum pick & it made the Chinesum pick feel so much better but i now have to make one for the Sparrows pick but the Sparrows pick is going to get another mod as well i just need to get the Abloy 330 apart to work out the right placement for the mob. I was thinking of using my micro lathe to take the bulk of the tip off, i did hear somewhere they are made from tool steel.
Thanks so much. I can tell you it's tried and true. I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick. I wish I had a mini lathe. I almost bought the Harbor Freight version but I understand they require a LOT of upgrades to work good. I dont want to buy something I need to rebuild. But I may some day
@@AlbertLebel Yeah im hearing you there i have the SIEG C0 the only thing i have changed is the toolpost holder to a quick change tool post holder, i now have carbide tools as well as the HSS tools.
Many years ago worked at a Sterlite manufacturing plant, the way you described thier action is how they worked. That was a nightmare job, for the simple fact you were locked in for 12 hours because of the trustees that were working there. But you had this razor sharp little swivel knife to cut the excess plastic that was left behind from the mold the trim off. Which makes an interesting weapon if you were a trustee. After having to be locked in with a sudden case of unseasonal flu about passed out, that was my time to say goodbye to that job. Most of work on the details with the process is pretty much expected it to be. I haven't had to make any tips yet which I really don't even use my sparrows just detainer that I've recently bought after giving one away. And I do have a couple of cheap Chinese discontainer pics that I haven't used yet. Great video and awesome work sir!
Awesome, thank you for clearing that up. Ya, trustees around blades sounds a bit sketchy. I am familiar with that swiveling blade, like a de-burring tool. I highly recommend trying to learn to pick DD locks. Their just different. I started right where you are brother. I was highly intimidated at first. You just need practice. It’s a great skill. Getting that first open is great.
The most interesting thing for me is to find these bench grinders with 75mm by 20mm disks exist! I've got a 150mm and a 250mm, but both aren't used much as they are overkill for lock work. I've found these tiny grinders here as well, and it'll be a nice addition to the home shop. How do you handle the dust?
Awesome, thank you, I didnt even think of testing that. I will. I have some hardness files that give a great result. But yes, they stay plenty hard enough. I think quenching will only cause them to get brittle
Hey Jack. I just found the site again. Go on Aliexpress and you can find them there. If you still have issues send me an Email and maybe I can send a link. I'm happy to help any way I can
Does the grinding take the temper out of the steel? The ejector pins I’ve played with were pretty hard and the shaft snapped off one project when I got overly aggressive with it. My lathe chuck wont grip an ejector pin shaft. I’ve thought of making a holder so I could spin the pin and thin the head with my lathe. That’s exactly what the ejector pins are used for. They push the injection molded part out of a mold.
So I was right about the use of the ejector pins, that's so cool. No, I never needed to cool them or quench. Personally I think quenching would just make the brittle but I'm no expert in metallurgy. I been using them like crazy and NEVER twisted one off or had any issues
Good tutorial Al. I like that grinder, being variable speed is handy, I didn't know about that. Could you use those to make dimple flags too? The Sparrows ones aren't great but I don't know if they're replaceable.🤔
Thanks Don. That grinder also came with a rotary tool flex line that screws into that socket on right hand side. It's quite handy for sure. I never thought about making flags, I don't see why not, so long as the shaft was secured really well to the handle. That's a great idea
Sorry i already commented but some people are worried about heat. Well these pins are already heat treated to ensure consistently in there hardness through the diameter of the pin. Through hard pins can withstand working Temperatures up to 200°C and it is mostly suitable for plastics ejection system in mould .. these things go through extreme heat and then cold temperatures and pressure 1000s of times a day in a factory there definitely hard
Thanks Mick, yes they are. If you break one of these your doing something seriously wrong. And I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick yet so I know they work very well.
Nice job, thanks for the tutorial. What was the overall time to make the pin (yes, I could probably figure it out with the 3X speed but it's so much easier to ask lol)?
Thanks so much for checking it out. I believe it just over 40 min but to finish the final touches to get the sizes I posted on end of video it would usually take about an hour. But what you get is a tip that will NOT break.
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Great instructional video Albert! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
Thank you Robert. I appreciate your support. I hope you stick around
I managed to make this tonight - thanks for your help - your video was very helpful and made me believe I could do it!
@@Richard0503 outstanding. Ya the whole disc detainer journey was tough for me. Not to say it’s over but the first few chapters were pretty rough. I just couldn’t understand what I was trying to feel for after only picking pin tumbler locks for so long. But now I enjoy the challenge. Let me know if I can help with anything else. Email is probably the best way. Thanks for taking the time to connect.
This is amazing advice. Since I bought my first generic DD pick and it broke of almost immediately I was looking for some replacement. Had it temporarily soldered back together, but with lead solder, which as one might expect, isn't very strong. Trying to braze a tip on another I managed to melt it, somehow, but as I am a hoarder, I've kept their "remains" stored until I figure out how to repair them. If I had a TIG welder, I probably would try to spot weld it, but I don't have one. I even started to consider taking a 1.5 mm hex key and rework it into a tip, and then decided to look on the net, as it came to me I couldn't be the only one with that problem. It was the sole reason I didn't bought Sparrows pick, as I feared I'll destroy it like the chinese ones. And here you come, with cheap and easy solution for that dilemma. I feel more confident working with grinder and files, especially precision ones, so as soon as you showed that ejector pin I jumped into AliExpress to buy a bunch of them :) I simply wasn't aware such things exist. Thank you very much!
First, be sure to buy the right size, second, next time you want to make tips of any kind, either use solid pieces like this or try using silver solder, it's super strong. I just made a couple tips for a fellow locksport member. let me know if I can help any further. All my contact info is located in my ABOUT section of home page. Also, be aware of picking the super cheap DD locks, they can be very rough due to several things like awful manufacturing, sloppy tolerances and they can even feel like they have sand in them. So I highly recommend learning on something like Kryptonite. Check out my Disc Detainer Locks playlist for ideas.. Thank you very much for checking out my channel, I hope you stick around
Thanks for the great video. I have to make some of these for my Sparrows pick.
Yes, you will only need one but I like to make them so I have several now. These will NOT break off. The sizes I posted on end of video are tried and true. I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick yet so I like to think that speaks for itself.
Top notch stuff right here. LockTube isn’t only about chasing the next open.
Thank you, I agree. I spend a LOT of time tinkering also.
Awesome video!! I just recently purchase a small tabletop bench grinder (with 3” wheels) last week to make a ‘specialize tool’ for LPU’s brown belt. Now, i know another thing i can use the grinder for. Thank you! =)
Fantastic !!. They are really handy. This also came with a Dremel type flex line that screws into that socket on the right side so it’s really a 3 in one. Good luck on the whole belt thing.
@@AlbertLebel yeah, my tabletop bench grinder came with Dremel attachment too. I got mine from Amazon for like 80 bucks. We both probably got the same model. =)
@@kewltune4683 Yes, or at least darn close. I use it all the time. But not with the flex line attached. I actually bought a Dremel that hangs and I have a flex line on that one. I like options.
I have made a few pick tips with injection pins like these but I'm not really good with machining small parts myself. So I just figured I'd let you know incase you don't know already; sparrows has started selling replacement pick tips for the dd pick. If I remember right it's like $5ish for two and a couple grub screws and a allen wrench. I know the sparrows ones are just spot welded, so they don't hold up like these do, but for the price it's worth not having to buy the pins and make your own just to get the dd pick back working again.
It’s actually well worth it to make these. You only have to make one. It will last forever. I guess they sell spares because so many people complained their tips fell off. I absolutely love Sparrows tools. Their my favorite lock tool shop. But they dropped the ball on the tips. But I understand if you just cant make them. I’m that way with picks. I rather buy several than make my own, it’s just easier. To each their own. Thanks for the honest feedback. Stay cool Phred.
Great video, Al. I always love how-to tutorials
Thanks so much Justin. Glad you tuned in. I cant grow the channel without help.
Great how-to Big Al! My approach to making these is almost identical.. now if I could just get my DD picking skills close to yours! 🤣 I'll keep at it! Take care buddy! 👍👍
Hey Brad, I started right where you are my friend. I was highly intimidated at first. Start will something easy, look at my early DD lock vids. You can do it
@bradw 053 Practice makes perfect. Buy a bunch of DD padlocs, the cheap ones, and try, try, try until you catch that feeling of them "working in your hand". You'll know when you feel it yourself. Then move a notch higher, bit difficult ones. It's important not to give up and not to try too hard. You can't get one open? Move to another one, and, very important, don't overwork yourself as you'll just get frustrated. Leave it for a while, do something completely different, return to it a week or so later and try again with cool and clear mind. I myself have one such padlock I simply cannot open. Its locked onto a bars of the gate on one of properties I manage, not locking anything, just hanging there since someone lost the keys. I could simply cut it and take home, but it just gives you that feeling of "working in the field". Even more interesting is that I can open couple of the same ones, from the same manufacturer, but not this specific one. I come there once or twice a month to do some unrelated work, but I always take my DD pick there, to try it in my free time. And I know I'll get it opened one day ;)
Awesome, great information here Al, thanks for sharing it and demonstrating the how-to; much appreciated! 😊🙏
Thanks so much. I was worried about how to shorten it but I think it came out ok
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Greetings friend, glad you tuned in. It has been tough trying to reach a bigger audience
awesome video and great info as always! thank you!
Thanks so much Dana
Great video i recently made one for my Chinesum pick & it made the Chinesum pick feel so much better but i now have to make one for the Sparrows pick but the Sparrows pick is going to get another mod as well i just need to get the Abloy 330 apart to work out the right placement for the mob.
I was thinking of using my micro lathe to take the bulk of the tip off, i did hear somewhere they are made from tool steel.
Thanks so much. I can tell you it's tried and true. I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick. I wish I had a mini lathe. I almost bought the Harbor Freight version but I understand they require a LOT of upgrades to work good. I dont want to buy something I need to rebuild. But I may some day
@@AlbertLebel Yeah im hearing you there i have the SIEG C0 the only thing i have changed is the toolpost holder to a quick change tool post holder, i now have carbide tools as well as the HSS tools.
Great video!!!
Thanks for sharing this!!!!
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Right on !! I hope it helps. It’s tried and true. Sparrows did a good job on the disc pick but their tips fall short. Probably why they sell spares. 🥴
Thanks for the info sir. Take care. Go U.S.
Glad you liked it DJ
Many years ago worked at a Sterlite manufacturing plant, the way you described thier action is how they worked. That was a nightmare job, for the simple fact you were locked in for 12 hours because of the trustees that were working there. But you had this razor sharp little swivel knife to cut the excess plastic that was left behind from the mold the trim off. Which makes an interesting weapon if you were a trustee. After having to be locked in with a sudden case of unseasonal flu about passed out, that was my time to say goodbye to that job. Most of work on the details with the process is pretty much expected it to be. I haven't had to make any tips yet which I really don't even use my sparrows just detainer that I've recently bought after giving one away. And I do have a couple of cheap Chinese discontainer pics that I haven't used yet. Great video and awesome work sir!
Awesome, thank you for clearing that up. Ya, trustees around blades sounds a bit sketchy. I am familiar with that swiveling blade, like a de-burring tool. I highly recommend trying to learn to pick DD locks. Their just different. I started right where you are brother. I was highly intimidated at first. You just need practice. It’s a great skill. Getting that first open is great.
The most interesting thing for me is to find these bench grinders with 75mm by 20mm disks exist! I've got a 150mm and a 250mm, but both aren't used much as they are overkill for lock work. I've found these tiny grinders here as well, and it'll be a nice addition to the home shop. How do you handle the dust?
Nice one on dd tips. I never use water because they have a Rockwell hardness of 57 I believe.
Awesome, thank you, I didnt even think of testing that. I will. I have some hardness files that give a great result. But yes, they stay plenty hard enough. I think quenching will only cause them to get brittle
Hey Al I've tried everywhere to buy those rod's with no success, can you help in anyway.
Robbie from Huyton Liverpool UK
I will help any way I can. Send me an email. You can find all my contact info on my YT channel ABOUT tab.
Hey Jack. I just found the site again. Go on Aliexpress and you can find them there. If you still have issues send me an Email and maybe I can send a link. I'm happy to help any way I can
Does the grinding take the temper out of the steel? The ejector pins I’ve played with were pretty hard and the shaft snapped off one project when I got overly aggressive with it. My lathe chuck wont grip an ejector pin shaft. I’ve thought of making a holder so I could spin the pin and thin the head with my lathe.
That’s exactly what the ejector pins are used for. They push the injection molded part out of a mold.
So I was right about the use of the ejector pins, that's so cool. No, I never needed to cool them or quench. Personally I think quenching would just make the brittle but I'm no expert in metallurgy. I been using them like crazy and NEVER twisted one off or had any issues
Good tutorial Al. I like that grinder, being variable speed is handy, I didn't know about that.
Could you use those to make dimple flags too? The Sparrows ones aren't great but I don't know if they're replaceable.🤔
Thanks Don. That grinder also came with a rotary tool flex line that screws into that socket on right hand side. It's quite handy for sure. I never thought about making flags, I don't see why not, so long as the shaft was secured really well to the handle. That's a great idea
Where can i buy some injector pins
Sorry i already commented but some people are worried about heat. Well these pins are already heat treated to ensure consistently in there hardness through the diameter of the pin. Through hard pins can withstand working Temperatures up to 200°C and it is mostly suitable for plastics ejection system in mould .. these things go through extreme heat and then cold temperatures and pressure 1000s of times a day in a factory there definitely hard
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Brilliant al really is they are so much stronger way way better awesome mate keep well thank you for that..🔏🔓👍
Thanks Mick, yes they are. If you break one of these your doing something seriously wrong. And I have yet to find a DD lock I cant pick yet so I know they work very well.
Nice job, thanks for the tutorial. What was the overall time to make the pin (yes, I could probably figure it out with the 3X speed but it's so much easier to ask lol)?
Thanks so much for checking it out. I believe it just over 40 min but to finish the final touches to get the sizes I posted on end of video it would usually take about an hour. But what you get is a tip that will NOT break.
Do you mean to make today's (11/6) video private? I can't watch it.
Great video, Al.
Could you please give us the tip dimensions? How thick is the top, length and width? Thanks.👍🦊
Thank you, I did. The final dimensions are at end video
@@AlbertLebel Thank you. I missed it👍🦊