I liked blu-ray but the first time I experienced a 4K UHD HDR physical disk on my very first 4K Sony television using a Panasonic 4K disc player (The greatest showman) I literally fell in love with movies again. It reminded me of the Picture, sound and full immersion of going to the movie theater. After that all I wanted to do was watch all my favorites and new movies in 4K UHD HDR (Dolby vision) physical media is why I love movies.
When i bought my samung q90a 4k flagship with samsung q950a soundbar system I have been buying up soo much 4k physical media as now I get the 4k HDR, atmos DTSX, and all other blurays ive owned previously. I watched HEAT w surround sound and it was a whole other movie from what I remembered
A good quality TV or blu ray player can upscale 1080p blu rays so they almost look as good as 4k blu rays....the only reason why you should buy your favorite movie or TV show again in 4K is probably the wide color gamut and HDR which makes the most difference for me personally...
I have an ATMOS setup, and I have noticed the most impressive upgrade UHD offers is the sound!!! HDR and resolution are upgraded, but the better sound is absolutely amazing!!!
To the naysayers physical media is king and streaming is like watching satellite TV. Although 4k and Dolby Atmos are being streamed the physical copy of the movie is the only way to if you want quality and not quantity! So very glad to see people enjoying physical media!!
4K is good but I only buy my favorite films in it. And what’s weird is they don’t have a lot of my favorite films on 4K like Dawn of the dead 1978 version. I been waiting for that for years. But 4K is good. Netflix can’t stream in 4K better than having the original disc. The internet can’t push that much technology yet. If you really want to experience 4K you have to get the disc.
I’m a big fan of the 7.1 DTS sound mix on the blu-ray for the 1st Jurassic Park, especially the bass in the T-Rex rain scene. Does the DTS:X mix retain or even increase that level of bass?
I’m 23 and I’m actually starting yo into buying Blue rays because it’s almost the same pricing as buying the digital version. Except that you get three copies on the the blue ray and now I’m thinking if it’s worth buying 4K ultra hd.
The 4k disc is supposed to look excellent because it was shot on 35mm film and scanned at 6k. Since it is a classic the studio took their time and did a great job. I haven’t seen it on 4k yet but I hear it looks fantastic.
That scene example you provided, and maybe because it was a night scene, did not impress at all. Honestly I rewound 10 times and my eyes could not see a noticeable difference... Im a 4K fan, but here I just couldn't be persuaded. Good video however
Same I mean I have so many DVDs ….been trying to upgrade but it’s a lot to do I have so many movies I don’t have a 4K tv lol but been buying 4K to future proof But now worried 8k will be out eventually
@@talksick508 Same, I've been stuck on FHD for at least 6 years now, 4k was too expensive at the time, but soon I might be able to upgrade to a 4k TV, only 4k media I have is a PS4, PS5 and some digital 4k movies on a hard drive, since physical 4k movies are hard to come by where I live, but again same as you, I'm worried that by the time I have a decent 4k collection, everyone will have upgraded to 8k, though I'm still grateful for being able to watch most films in 720p and 1080p
I agree 4K does look and sound better ..I have just watched 2001 and Wonder Woman in 4K and wow they both look sharp and sound powerful.. Physical media forever.
Very True. 9 times out 10 the 4K version is the best a Film every looked and come with a new 7.1 surround sound mix. But you still need to look out & read up on some of the Early 4k releases on account their are a few Duds. Such as Terminator 2 and WarCraft.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven there's plenty of examples of 4k movies using dnr and some other examples where surprisingly the blu ray variant may even look better at times.
I’m curious about the hobbit series. Because I know that it was framed at 48pfs for the theatrical release. I believe the Blu-ray release is framed the same. I wonder what 48fps looks like in 4K. That’s the hobbit though. Lol.
Man I really like your voices with the review it's really inviting, You do what you do negative comment don't even matter. People gonna complain regardless just like expensive speakers wire and audio cables. UHD 4K disc is really better than streaming .
I understand people not wanting to move on to 4K stuff due to the extra cost, but for people to say there is no difference or that the new features are just gimmicks is just plain wrong.
There is not that many 4k movies that look any better than there bluray counterparts. Same with atmos moat atmos movies sound worse than than the normal version. When its done well 4k hdr is a lot better But if you have a good TV and player the upscale g of your normal blurays is just as good as most 4k copy's.
Most movies are an upgrade as most blu rays prior to 2014 are just a low bitrate and encode. A new blu ray can look “4K” if it’s a good high bitrate in a good compression format. HDR , Atmos, and large color space do bring out a lot. Price is high though.
Facts. I started upgrading my favorite blu-ray movies to 4k after buying a 85 inch x900h with a Atmos speaker setup which includes a Sony str-dn1080 receiver. Watching movies in 4K HDR with Atmos is a whole new experience for me and I am enjoying every minute of it.
The flashlight test: HDR rules!!! Red: I noticed that on Top Gun 4K too. HDR is not a gimmick. It is INTEGRAL to seeing all the contrast range from highlights to shadows in a film or digital source.
Do you have the John Wick UHD Blu Ray movies? There is no way anyone can call 4k or HDR a gimmick. It's some of the most beautiful images you'll ever see in your life. It's just stunning. Now Jurassic Park is not the greatest transfer I've ever seen. An old movie that did transfer amazing is Jaws. That is a blow you away disc.
I’ve seen the first JW but not the other two, I’ll have to check them out. Also seen Everest but not on 4K I’ll add that to the list! So many movies so little time 🤣🤣
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Everest is a wow fest of beauty in HDR. By the way you have the most underrated HT channel. I loved your review of the RSL Speedwoofer. I am gonna buy dual Speedwoofer 10S subs soon to replace my PB1000. I would love to see you review RSL CG23/CG3 speakers.
Physical media for your most favorite movies always. The 4k movies are so amazing, you just need to research before you buy. Some 4k movies don't cut it. Always research each individual movie.
@Airock the Atheist yea I’ve spent more than I’d like to know in movies but it’s nice to always have them no matter what plus most came with either blu ray dvd and digital copy or 4k disc blu ray and digital copy so the price isn’t a issue for me when you get the best of both worlds
I choose to buy 4K Blu-ray discs over regular Blu-ray discs and streaming for quite a few reasons. #1- I only buy one to two movies every month so I'm not dumping hundreds and hundreds of dollars every month into the format. since my collection grows slowly buying the premium format is not overly expensive. #2- HDR, in my opinion, is the biggest improvement over standard Blu-ray. #3- although I don't have a Dolby Atmos setup, I know that one day if I do decide to get one, all of my discs will be able to support that format. #4- I only buy movies that I know I'm going to watch over and over again and mean something special to me. And because of that it means a lot to have it in the best format possible.
Don't matter how much streaming services are growing, I still like to have a physical copy of my favorite movies. I have the Jurassic Park trilogy 2011 blu-ray and need to find my old vhs tape. I also don't like to depend on online services for everything, I have my subscriptions but like the backups just in case
I’m 41 years old and always been a keen fan of seeing films at their best (I even saw Star Wars ep 2&3 in digital on DLP projectors which was the future back then). I’ve grown up on vhs then moved to dvd then to Blu-ray and now 4k and 4k is the best way to watch films without question, it’s a cleaner more natural tighter image that Blu-ray just doesn’t offer. Add HDR to the mix and you seeing details and colours you never did. The best upgrade it offers is to older films made on traditional film, films you watched on vhs and dvd. The matrix which I’m going through at the moment is a massive night and day difference, beetle juice aswell is another example. 4k films 99% of the time are brand new scans of the original negative whereas blurays are mostly taken from a digital master so that’s another plus for 4k. If you a genuine film fan 4k is the best format to watch films without doubt
Another 41-year-old here, and I'd echo these sentiments. It's definitely worth looking into reviews of 4k disks before you buy, as the difference from Blu-ray can vary quite a lot since, as Stew Pot said, understanding whether they did a new scan is important, especially for film. Digital is hit or miss since a lot of effects were captured at 2k so the benefits won't be there, but newer movies should have 4k+ digital for everything, which is great as well, just not as stark a difference from a 1080p digital downsample, compared to a lower res film scan that's been digitized. The HDR and newer audio options like Atmos, if you have the setup to support them, are big benefits as well. I wouldn't recommend buying a ton of 4k disks if I were just watching movies in my dorm room on a 55-inch screen or something, but on a 70+ inch screen, you start to see a big difference. Lastly, Netflix can't take away your favorite movie if you own the disk, and if the Internet goes down or sucks, you can still watch, worry free.
"4k films 99% of the time are brand new scans of the original negative" Really? What i read in lots of UHD Disc Reviews tells a different story - a lot of UHDs are just upscaled 2K Masters and just added HDR, Noise Reduction and Sharpening Filters to it. New 4K Rescans are not sadly still not the Standard for UHD Discs. Prove me wrong with some sources.
@@blaggzear3152 they are 2k upscales cos the film was finished off at 2k, these are usually cgi heavy films as rendering the cgi at 4k is just silly and way too much compute time. Films made on traditional film are most of the time taken from their original source like beetle juice and LOTRS for example. DNR is usually a nasty byproduct of the studio using the 3D master cos DNR is used to remove grain as it causes all sorts of issues with layers in 3D conversions, terminator 2 is perfect example.
I’m 38 years old and agree with you 99%. However to say that 99% of 4K films were scan in 4K from the original camera negatives is probably pushing it. Films from early 2000 were already switching to digital intermediates for their masters and many of those only exist in 2k. Even the CGI effects were rendered in 2k. What many 4K Blu-rays doing is simply upscaling the 2k DI masters into 4K, adding HDR and voila. Do they look good? Sure. Could they look better? Absolutely! To go back and rescan all the camera negatives at 4K, edit the footage, redo all the color corrections and completely re-render all cgi effects in 4K would cost so much money and time. Another alternate method is scan the internegative print in 4K but still even that is generation or two away from the original camera negatives.
@@vangmx yeah I know what you saying and I not worded it the best but I did kinda address it too in the previous comment in regards to traditional filmed films being more then likely rescans in 4K. It’s more the newer stuff that’s 2k that’s cgi heavy
I buy 4K for future proofing/HDR/Atmos and the better restorations of old films like Jaws. If you buy smart and look for deals you can get multibuys like 3 for £30. There is also second hand.
@@markclancy5371 Fr bro? Honestly the average person would assume Dolby is superior. I’m looking for compatible sound bars with either one tho but probably lean towards Dolby since it seems to be more well supported
I've got a mixture of both, and part of it depends on what 4k blu ray player you're using... they're not all created equal. I have a Sony UBP-X800m2, and it does a very good job.
If you have a simple home setup, not much difference will be noticed. But for the BEST home theater experience, 4K UHD discs are simply the only way to go at this time. Current streaming does not compare.
The two biggest things for me on 4k discs are hdr / dolby vision and standard dts:x / atmos . specially on the 4k hdr beamer with 150inch screen 4k itselfs is surely visible 4k streams on netflix often lack high def sound and have a low 4k bitrate. For me its no contest between streaming and 4k discs. People who say there is no difference own a crappy tv and only a soundbar at most
Streaming people. What happens when a storm wipes out your internet for a week. How are you going to watch your movie? Streaming artifects anyone? Movies being removed from your library without notice because of licence issues? No thanks i will keep my disc. No hate toward streaming,. just stating facts.
My equipment does a really good job upscaling normal blu-ray disks to my 4K projektor, so I dont see the difference versus the 4K disks That I've purchased. Some newer blu-ray disks even have Atmos and DTS:X on it. The only thing I think I am missing out on is the HDR. My optoma UHD51 only supports HDR10, and I have it disabled, since I dont think it adds anything good to the picture... I've heard you'd need a really expensive projector to enjoy HDR as it was intended. Otherwise I think people with OLED tv's definitely get an advantage when it comes to HDR content.
The issue with 4K at the moment is a lot of the "4K Ultra HD" discs out there are 2K upscales to 4K and are missing HDR. In 2015, it became mandatory for all BluRay movies that were going to be "4K Ultra HD" to ALSO include HDR while allowing HDR10+ and Dolby Vision to be optional. However, before this requirement, SEVERAL BluRay discs were released with the naming of "4K Ultra HD" and were not so impressive. There IS an online resource where you can see if the movie you own (or are about to buy) in 4K Ultra HD is ACTUALLY a 4K transfer or just a 2K upscale WITHOUT ANY HDR whatsoever. I believe this is why there are people out there claiming that 1080p HD BluRay movies are good enough and 4K Ultra HD movies are unnecessary, but if you show one of those people a 4K HDR, HDR10+, or Dolby Vision version of the 4K Ultra HD movie, they WILL convert. lol. HDR is AMAZING.
Although I haven't used it in a while Real or Fake 4k by the 4K media was a good resource. Also, a lot of 4K blu-ray reviews do mention the source material.
Great way to put everything. I think it also varies movie to movie. I think all 4k UHD will be superior, but by how much varies on the transfer, editing, and the TV you are viewing it on. Lord of the rings 4k UHD for example blows the Blu ray out of the water.
Nice video comparison. I would like to bring something up though. Your comparison, as with everyone else I've found, compares the older version standard version blu-ray against the newer version 4k. Wouldn't it be better and more accurate to compare the newest mastered 4k against the newest mastered standard blu-ray?? A lot of movies come with both 4k and standard blu-ray, so that would be a better approach, I would think, then comparing a standard blu-ray from 10 years ago, with a 4 k from last year.. This way, you and others, could see what hdr and all of that truly does. G
Its funny you are talking about the Jurassic Park 4K disc. I have that, and when I popped it into my player, I literally could not tell the difference between the 4K disc and the standard Blu-Ray. I had to eject it to make sure I didn't accidently put in the standard BD Disc. If you wanna talk about amazing looking 4K discs, then 2001 A Space Odyssey, Apocalypse Now, and oddly enough, Groundhog Day, and the 1992 Dracula
I just bought a 6 disc pack of these movies that has only two of them, but it has 4K and 3D Bluray, and also regular bluray. Streaming is almost useless to me, sometimes my internet speed is easily fast enough to do it no problems, but 10 minutes later it might be unable to keep up with UHD and decent audio, so best you might get is 1080p... I'll stick to buying real discs. If i'm going to buy a movie these days, may as well buy the 4K Bluray version, they almost all come with both 4K UHD and normal Bluray anyway!!
4K isn't a huge difference, but HDR IS the gimmick, (it's dull and drab imo) I never use it, details, meh, some are a little different, not much. Games on the other hand are the only real use for 4K, and you get the most from them, NOT movies. 4K is also good for Nature shows, Planet Earth etc. Other than that, 4K will never be the norm. Dolby Vision with no HDR gives dramatically better colors, and a better picture, even ones not in 4K (Netflix, Blu Ray discs etc). You'll see this in the future when TV's take FULL advantage of the 12 bit colors, as opposed to 10. Soon. 4K even in 2021 is still in it's infancy, and will remain so for 90% of the population who don't care about sharper hair, skin tone, etc. And just want to watch their movies, with a good picture.
Most UHD disks are pure placebo. People keep saying Blade Runner 2049 is a must-own 4K BluRay, yet it‘s literally just a Rec.709 video without any HDR or WCG.
Streaming is not where it's at.....never as good quality as the physical copy. Bluray is great, 4K players usually upscale (mine does) and the result is almost indistinguishable from 4K and looks stunning on a big screen.
I saw these on sale and missed it. It was like 40 bucks for 5 films on 4k bluray. I also buy 4k blurays, as do many of us. Discs are not dead. The video from streaming is close, especially on apple tv +. 4k is a gimmick? LOL. Streaming audio does not come close. Not even close.
The worst streaming service so far for audio is HBOMAX..... I tried to watch transformers dark side of the moon and had to have my setup on 70 Switched to a Bluray and it was too loud at 62 😳
@@onecleangti well it depends. Bluray is always going to be better. If you are on an apple tv 4k, they decode all their audio into mc lpcm and its normally a good 5db(at least) lower than average. Apple tv 4k is the best thing out there, but yea hno max kinda sucks. It really depends. As the video quality in some shows(the flight attendant) almost looks like its 4k. In others, its just terrible. Thankfully, they finally have 4k and hdr now. They released wonder woman in 4k dolby vision with Dolby atmos(on apple tv 4k its piggybacked on Dolby mat, unlike blurays which will use Dolby truehd, or other services which use Dolby digital +). Its better than DD+, but yea wonder woman showcased how bad it is. Its 4k and Dolby vision and really wasn't good audio and video was just OK. Not even close to apple tv+ or netflix
Nice man... That was a good analysis of what the differences were. And you showed that well. I'm still living in the past with my 1080p projector and the only 4k display I have is my bar TV lol (and my computer monitor). Looking forward to making the jump to 4K this next year, expecting I'll be watching a lot of movies over!
Thanks! I wish I were living the projector lifestyle but there isn't a good way to install a projector in my current setup 😀. I've been thinking of alternative setups/rooms so we'll see what happens in the future. 😁😁
Just remember for future our eyes can't physical tell the difference between 4k and 8k sitting 8ft or more away from tv. There was a blind tv test between two tv video engineers and both chose the 4k having better picture over 8k. 4k is the end of the line for high video quality for consumers. 4k is worth it over blu ray if you the average person have the correct video/audio setup. 8k is actually the gimmick.
@David Mander that’s not true well for me anyways I have a 43 inch tv for now and can definitely tell the difference and especially with hdr it’s night and day
@@nacthenud not true both tvs were over 70inches for 4k and 8k. Even up close one foot away there was no physical difference from the video engineer blind tv test. Our eyes can't physically tell the difference.
@@MetalsForBrunch I believe I've seen the video you're talking about. There are problems with the Samsung 8K TV that make it not true 8K as some other videos have explained. But also, I'm not talking about 70inch screens. I'm talking about 100+ inch screens where 4K pixels become individually discernable (depending on distance).
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Physical discs and streaming, until everything is available streaming in the highest resolution, HDR and Atmos I'll aways still buy discs. If I have the disc(s) I don't have to worry about a streaming service loosing the rights to stream a video and it suddenly disappearing off the service. Not to mention not having an internet service or one fast enough to even stream, I would have to rip discs and take them along with one of my Nvidia ShieldTV media players when traveling to visit family.
The 4K for JP isn't perfect but it is by far the best home release available. It is a bit dark and a bit desaturated - but there are spots where it is great-
the folks who think 4k blurays are a gimmick dont have proper theater rooms. they might say they do online, but their setup isnt ideal or they are just jealously watching videos from their parent's house. our dedicated theater room is a windowless room with black walls, sound treatment, stadium theater seats, a 4k hdr projector, 135" screen (with 1.1 gain), custom tuned speakers and in ceiling speakers for 3d audio (5.2.2). i can assure you, 4k blurays are muuuch better than standard bluray and slightly better than 4k streaming, although not as noticeably as standard bluray. these days i much prefer watching movies at home to the theater.
🇬🇧 Video comparison at 6 minutes. I would say the Blu-Ray picture noise is not film grain, more like digital noise due to very poor conversion resulting in a picture far below Blu-Ray capabilities. It's terrible. The 4k is much cleaner, but suspect this is mainly due to far superior mastering. Blu-Ray vs 4k? If you have the TV and eyesight to do it justice and the mastering is of best quality, 4k everytime. But Blu-Ray can also be fantastic.
Great comparison of the same scene with the flashight. It really was an excellent visualization of the difference between 1080p and 4k. Curious though how much a difference when my 4K tv upscales a Blu Ray disk?
I will always buy the 4k version of a movie if it is a movie I don't already own. For the most part, I have decided that in my case though, I will not upgrade my collection to 4k as those titles come out. The exceptions for which I will upgrade to 4k are for those movies that are at the top of my all-time favorite movies list for titles like Jaws, Halloween, The Matrix, the theatrical release of the original Star Wars trilogy if they ever decide to give the people what they actually want, etc.
Now this really makes me wonder Netflix implementation of 4:3 and other times they have had Jurassic Park. Would love to see your comparison of UHD vs Streaming services as well for this or other films. Thanks. Subscribed
I have been picking up the 4k movies for a little over 2 years now. My rule that I try to stick to is I try not to buy anything over 15 bucks. Get everything on sale.
I remembered your video on collecting 4K Blu-rays from 2019 as I commented on it at the time. It played a large part in convincing me that I should start collecting 4K Blu-rays, as I had just bought a 4K TV and was unsure. Since then I have purchased over 30 4K titles, both old and new, and have also started replacing my standard Blu-rays. It’s a fantastic format, one that I believe is going to be supported for a long time to come. Having said that, I am subscribed to two streaming services namely Netflix and Disney+. These I mainly use for watching original content. There is no substitute in my mind for watching a film on physical media, especially 4K. The other aspect of streaming that concerns me is that the services can, seemingly on a whim, censor their content. Very recently of course there was a story concerning Netflix censoring the 2000 film Final Destination, for a literally 2-second hanging reference. While censorship is sometimes necessary to protect certain groups, it can be misused as in this case. This is just one example why physical media will always be superior to streaming. Finally, by happy coincidence I received the original Jurassic Park trilogy on 4K for Christmas. I’ve just checked out the original film, and the superior quality of the image in particular is immediately apparent!
First of all, loving the Atari controller! 😂😂 I should have thought of that! I hadn’t thought about censorship issues with streaming but that is a great point. The 4K version of JP, really does look good.🙂
Happy Holidays to you and your family as well. Note: I love my disk collection but I admit I am only buying favorite movies or blockbusters on disk these days.
Interesting you see less film grain on 4K versus Blu-ray, so far with my fav 80s and 90s movies I’ve been noticing more film grain on the 4K. My wife hates it. I try to tell her it’s a more authentic experience :-) but I agree with your other points, I have noticed better coloring and better sound on the 4K discs. Also keep in mind I can stream 4K through VUDU with just a 25 Mb Internet connection with bandwidth to spare. But when I watch the bit rate coming from a UHD player it’s 75 to 95 Mb. That’s a significant quality difference. But perhaps only an aficionado will notice.
When I bought my Oppo 203 and my Sony 4k tv, I bought a Star Wars in 4K that also came with a bluray disc. I didn't find any difference between the 2 discs. Unless the 4k titles are the same price as Bluray, I will stick with Bluray.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but just for the hell of it, take a still frame of a scene (preferably with people) in 4k and then Blu-ray. You will see a difference. Or if you have Vudu, switch from 4k to Blu-ray and you will notice the difference. The Matrix trilogy might be one of the biggest changes!
The prequels aren't worth the upgrade, but the OT certainly is. I couldn't believe how good Empire looked when I first popped it in. In fact, that disc is what convinced me that 4K was worth going with. Before that I felt the same as you.
@@MoldyMojoMonkey One thing that we have to remember is how good is our vision. I now use glasses to watch TV because I can really see a difference . The same goes for audio. If our hearing is not that great the best speakers and amp will make little difference. I'm now 69 and I don't hear as well as before especially speech.
Thanks for the review brother much appreciated! I'm a physical media supporter because the quality is better than streaming. I always get reviews on 4k before I buy because all 4k transfers are not equal!
@ that's true Douglas. I'm new to streaming but I've read where movies and documentaries are only on temporarily. With physical media we own the product and can watch them when we want!
@@howardbrooks101 for this reason AND because they have been changing the movies story these days, I am more willing to buy physical media to keep the original story without parts being removed or edited to not offend any viewers that watch it.
As long as 4K discs come with a digital copy I will keep purchasing them. Get to watch the best quality of the film at home, and then get to access a digital copy anywhere I go and don't have to worry about it dropping from a streaming service
4k disc is better as it's going to be newer remaster but tbh I just played Jurassic park 2013 Blu-ray yesterday on my 4k tv and it looks very very nice indeed
if u want watch a good movie with good sound u got go back on 1080p tv and 1080p bluray its better then 4k tv and 4k blu-ray dude and 1080p tv looks amazing compare to garbage 4k tvs
Their will always be low level watchers/listener and that’s fine. I love movies too much to always watch them with low quality. I recently watched its a wonderful life in 4K, have been watching it since the early 70’s and have owned it on every format, and was blown away how clean and clear the picture was. This might be the exception, but for me streaming is a fast and lazy was to watch movies. Just my opinion.
True that. I know people who still watch DVD's with stretched image on a TV from 2007 and they say it's good enough 😆. To each their own. However they are just content. And that's perfectly fine. I don't try to convince people they need more. Now, I enjoy the benefits that modern tech brings to the table so yeah 4K (true) remasters for me please.
I'm so tired of the price-issue; yes, if you need the latest releases on the day they drop, you'll pay handsomely for that privilege, but if like me, you can wait a little, you can get some awesome deals which make price a non-issue. I got the whole Hunger Games Quadrilogy as single 4k-discs for round $10/each. For the last five 4k-discs I bought: Full Metal Jacket, Sicario, Parasite, Joker, and 1917 I payed roughly the same; round $10 per disc. As I write this, I'm looking at the Amazon prices of 1917: $11:99 for DVD, $9:99 for Bluray, and $13:99 for the 4k disc. I know there are many people in the US for whom two dollars make a huge difference, but I'm willing to bet they're not physical media collectors. A TWO dollar difference between DVD and 4k.. The ONLY times I've payed full price for films, have been when small companies have dropped something which I really wanted, and I've also wanted to support the companies efforts: The Deer Hunter comes to mind, which I pre-ordered from Shout; I think I payed $29:99. And I'm awaiting the arrival at my door of the Limited Release 4k-restoration from Arbelos Films of Sátántangó; that cost somewhere in the forties, when I ordered it. But for mainstream releases, I've NEVER payed over $20 and hardly ever more than $15. I also collect Criterion Collection Bluray's and mostly buy them straight from Criterion or from Barnes & Noble, when either have their bi-annual 50% off sales. When your old 1080p TV and/or player break, the price for a 4k-replacement will be almost exactly what you'd pay for 1080p, so can we PLEASE stop talking money?! PS: great video; I'm hereby following!!
30 dollars for a movie is gouging. It is what it is. They have no reason to do it, other than that some suckers will fall for it. But yes eventually the price will go down. Which is good because these studios hardly deserve the money, I don't care what movie you're talking about. If you think the actual creators of these movies see more than maybe a fraction of that money then you don't know how the industry works.
The Blu-ray had edge enhancements and sharpening that made the grain stand out so much more. Seems it was a thing Universal often did back then, but wishing they had skipped.
Definitely worth it. The jump from HD to UHD is just as significant as the jump was from SD to HD. Coincidentally, Jurassic Park was the first UHD movie I watched to test out my Panasonic UHD Blu-ray player. I was blown away about as much as I was when first I watched an HD video after having only seen SD content previously. My only concern is that it might only prove to be an interim/transitionary format for the goal - 8K. Most receivers are already touting 8K capability...
Streaming doesn’t hold a candle 4K Blu-ray IMO. The bit rate is much lower and it shows. 4K Blu-ray sounds richer and looks more solid. Overall it is just a more cinematic experience. It’s a shame the disks are so expensive though, so I only buy films I love. One day though I’m sure streaming will catch-up, but not anytime soon. Great review btw
nope standed bluray is better then dvd How could you say that blue ray sucks DVD quality is terrible on 4k tv you don't know because you probably never watch dvd on your TV that's why ultra 4k disc colors not right So standes blueray better then dvd.
Physical media is the best for as long as you have the player always available when the format will die and you will be stuck with your discs with nothing to play them with. 8 am old enough to know.
Ever since I started editing videos in HD I've been craving bitrate to be improved online. Even HD is at 5mbps usually, so getting rid of physical media, 4K or even standard HD would hurt. It's all about that bitrate!!!!
Over the last couple of years I've noticed the video quality of streaming services improve dramatically for whatever reason. I think they're using vastly superior VBR algorithms now mainly.
I also prefer the 4K experience, but some people think the popping of the color makes it seem more fake so it depends on your own taste i guess (And how well it's done ofcource). Sound is the bigger thing i think. But then again, most don't have high end sound systems
Damn I have like 5,000 dvds This sucks I don’t wanna have to rebuy them all again :( I have a lot of Blu-ray’s too Damn this blows I wish they just let u do it for half off or free
I’ll admit from the outset that I’m commenting without watching the full video, however... On the point of ‘is 4K better than Blu-Ray/1080p HD?’, I would have to say that if you’re watching on a decent home theatre/cinema system, with the appropriate amplification and speaker set up, I personally find the experience to be slightly better. I don’t think it’s as revolutionary as going from watching 480p SD (standard definition) to 1080p (high definition), or the step up from stereo sound to 5.1 surround sound. A decent OLED 4K television will upscale Blu-Ray sourced films anyway, and depending on how good the tv’s processing is, you would probably be happy to watch an upscaled Blu-Ray with a decent HD audio sound (like Dolby Digital + or DTS HD Master Audio). As a collector of films, I have a load of Blu-Ray films, most of which I won’t buy again just to have the 4K version. I can only speak for myself, but I’m happy enough to watch a film in 1080p upscaled to 4K. A native 4K disc of course looks brilliant anyway and is a bonus, but no way revolutionary (imho).
Thanks for admitting to not watching the entire video before commenting 😀. I did mention that the jump from Blu-ray to 4K is not nearly as big as dvd to Blu-ray later in the video.
I would agree that the resolution difference is often not a huge leap, but when HDR is done well, it can completely revitalize a film and be a huge leap.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist thanks for your reply. I discovered that you addressed the issue of the jump from Blu Ray to 4K wasn’t that huge, so apologies for jumping the gun! Good video btw, and I subscribed 👍🏾 Keep em coming!
@@nacthenud most definitely! HDR done well is absolutely awesome. Home cinema is in a really good place at the moment, and can only get better. Now we just need prices to just come down a notch (or two!)
The one major thing I noticed is the Blu-rays are brighter then the 4K. But details in the 4K pop out more. Which I really noticed in the Star Wars prequel trilogy. But movies like Alien it's a Ying and Yang the detail is sharper but being a dark movie in the first place it's a lot darker on 4K then Blu-ray version. But they both looking stunning. So it's a hard call. Most movies I'll buy on Blu-ray if the come with the 4K cool. But my absolute favorite movies like the complete Star Wars saga episodes 1-6 and Alien and Braveheart I have to have them both. There is one shot on Attack of the Clones that really pop out to me, when Obi-Wan lands on the water planet, kamino, he's meets one of the aliens it's a full screen shot of her head on Blu-ray you can see all the skin pores and veins under the skin and it looks 100% photo-realistic but on the 4K, ever though it's darker, the skin tone in veins under the skin REALLY POP OUT!!! Making something that looks 100% photorealistic even more realistic. So I think it's really constant trade-off I would tell people to buy the absolute films on 4K and just other films on Blu-ray. Cuz they both do look amazing. I also noticed attack of the Clones again the geonosian Arena is the clone dropships a lifting up out of the Arena you can see the sun and it looks 100% better then the Sun on the Blu-ray Wichita looks incredible. It's much like the scene you showed us Jurassic Park with the flashlight. The exact same idea. But there are some shots in my opinion on 4K that are a little too dark that look better on Blu-ray but overall if it's your favorite movies 4K I think it's the way to go.
I 100% agree with u I am a huge collector of physical media and will always be. I love blu ray and 4K and older movies to me look so much better on 4K because they are shot on film. Long live physical media.
4K Tv with a real HDR are very expensive and you need at least 700 nits. If you have an entry level or medium range 4K Tv, the new 4K BR discs are useless. There are many factors to check, like the TV diagonals dimension, THE DISTANCE you watching your movies and other stuff. Regular BR discs are enough to enjoy your movies. Stop thinking about the pixels and focus about THE MOVIE. You're like many videogames players thinking about videocards, effects and other stuff but not realizing they are playing a good or a bad game. For example, a 43 inch TV at 4K resolution is a waste of money, because at that diagonal dimension you can enjoy a 1080p BR discs like a 4K movie at a distance of 2,5 meters. It's only marketing, wake up.
The improvement in the flashlight scene you showed had nothing to do with 4K, rather it was better tone mapping. That could be HDR, or just a better job of adjusting the gamma curve for this scene.
yeah 4k *can* absolutely be noticeably better than bluray. Even when its not noticeable, the increased sharpness, quality, and color accuracy in faces alone create a more emotive response out of me even when its just subconscious differences. Even if you take away the extra sharpness, and the HDR, even if you are dealing with an upscale, the shear fact that the bitrate is much higher and codec more efficient means quality is better. I don't think I've noticed any banding or compression artefacts on any 4k disk - wheras such things can be regularly noticeable in dark scenes on bluray, or in dynamic noisy scenes like explosions that simply max out the smaller max bitrate on bluray. (same for streaming - yes those 4k streams do look amazing and more than good enough... until you hit an explosion and macro blocking is clearly noticeable). Its very minor on bluray (and good streams) but it is still there, where as on the UHD disks, the max bitrates north of 100mbit/s seems to be enough to completely eliminate this problem. Even standing a foot from my 77" tv it can be hard to notice the macroblocks. Which means you are getting practically a lossless image. when you add to that the 4k and the HDR at normal viewing distances, it is really hard to imagine getting much better - in short the technical limitations are negligible. And that's why I say *can* above, because if anything, eliminating technical limitations from the format, means the differences between different 4k releases are now more stark than ever before. You really are clearly seeing every technical and artistic choice taken in the original filming, mastering and any remastering for the release. For better or worse. And while its always famous last words, I think there is reason to believe 4k bluray will be more future proofed than previous formats, and will remain the pinnacle of home entertainment for quite some time - indeed *forever*, for most films that exist today. And ironically one of the key indicators of this is the fact the format is failing! There is clearly limited consumer demand for these 4k disks, let alone 8k or whatever would come next. There seems to be reasonable demand for it on the streaming services, shown by the fact that all of them are investing heavily in making all their new content 4k, dolby vision, dolby atmos etc. and in 2018, 30% of netflix subscribers were on the top tier, either to get more simultaneous streams, or more likely, to get UHD. But even if there was massive consumer demand for ever increasing quality, there is also the hard technical limit of the entire film industry production pipeline to consider: The fact is 4k has actually leapfrogged the literal film masters! Most films made this century are ultimately mastered at 2k. If they have any reasonable amount of CGI, they will almost certainly be mastered at 2k, because rendering the CGI any higher is impractical, even today. Consider Avengers Endgame, that movie had a budget of nearly half a f***ing BILLION dollars, and was still mastered in 2k. So how long do you think its going to be before these CGI fests (lets face it, usually the most impressive films that AV heads are in to) are rendered in 4k? let alone 8k? which is 16 times as many pixels!? Many films this century were also shot digitally at sub 4k, with plus 4k shooting only really becoming mainstream in the last couple of years. Then you have film: Overwhelmingly movies are shot on 35mm, and the rule of thumb seems to be that there's not much to be gained from scanning these at higher than 4k. IMAX, 60, 70mm film are regularly scanned at higher resolutions, but I can think of like two films off the top of my head that have been shot on that larger format (2001 and Lawrence of Arabia) In fact here's the list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films And en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMAX_films If you are thinking "should I buy this on UHD bluray? A better version will just come out in a few years again" Unless its on that list. No. No It wont. Not ever. (*if they did a good job of the release, which is what reviews are for). The most notable recent releases on that list are Nolan's latest, with Tenet and Dunkirk shot entirely on a mix of 65mm and imax 70mm. Also the Hateful Eight shot entirely on 70mm (ironically it doesn't even have a 4k release though). But it seems you can count on two hands the number of blockbusters released in the last 40 years shot entirely on large format. There are a few good films from the last decade shot partially on large format, but the difference in quality between the imax and 35mm scenes can be jarring enough on 4k bluray... And as for "well should I invest in a player at all" well.. from a "the technology being surpassed" point of view, again, if you like movies with cgi, it'll probably be well over a decade before you have 8k masters...as for films without cgi, it is reasonable to expect there could be 8k sources at least in a few years, though it'll be longer still before 8k is adopted into the editing pipeline and you end up with 8k masters. But it is practically possible for someone so inclined (like James Cameron) to go and produce an 8k shot and mastered blockbuster in the next couple of years if they really want. Obviously the more apt question is whether the 4k bluray format will die from lack of interest anyway.. There are certainly signs of that. Though I think its more likely that the format will simply become (even more) niche, and perhaps more expensive. But will continue to exist. Much like how vinyl is alive and well. Yes, streaming services will soon enough be able to match the quality of UHD bluray, but music streaming services can literally, objectively surpass the quality of vinyl, yet vinyl remains. Streaming will likely suffer headwinds in the near future too with its primary issue of fragmentation and saturation coming to a head. bluray might not have the sex appeal of vinyl but there is still much to be said for holding a physical copy of a film that you love, that no one can take away from you. that you can always find when you want it.
What I want to know is, why is it that every single time there's a comparison between bluray and 4k movies, it's compared on a 4k tv? There's no way the bluray would look better on a 4k tv! It's obvious that the bluray format was designed for hd and fhd tv's. So please lets be reasonable and have a fair comparison. That's like me playing a DVD movie on 1080p tv and then saying how superior blu-ray look next to the DVD, I mean c'mon really!
Is 4k better than Blu Ray? I'll make it simple: 4K movies that offer upscaled 4k and HDR? Absolutely not worth the upgrade. Native 4k with Dolby Vision? Yes!
1:16 reference the message posted on screen by Marcel Lambert. MP3 did not win over CD. It had a foothold in the beginning because portable music players has low storage. Whereas CD quality is the minimum quality for most users today, 2022.
I would say the biggest improvement will be noticed on older films like the one you included in the video. Anything digital the resemblance from a stream is near canny. But older films with more grain will almost always look better on disc
I liked blu-ray but the first time I experienced a 4K UHD HDR physical disk on my very first 4K Sony television using a Panasonic 4K disc player (The greatest showman) I literally fell in love with movies again. It reminded me of the Picture, sound and full immersion of going to the movie theater. After that all I wanted to do was watch all my favorites and new movies in 4K UHD HDR (Dolby vision) physical media is why I love movies.
Sounds very similar to my experience
100% in agreement
I can concur. That's a great description. It almost felt like seeing the movie for the first time again.
When i bought my samung q90a 4k flagship with samsung q950a soundbar system I have been buying up soo much 4k physical media as now I get the 4k HDR, atmos DTSX, and all other blurays ive owned previously. I watched HEAT w surround sound and it was a whole other movie from what I remembered
A good quality TV or blu ray player can upscale 1080p blu rays so they almost look as good as 4k blu rays....the only reason why you should buy your favorite movie or TV show again in 4K is probably the wide color gamut and HDR which makes the most difference for me personally...
I have an ATMOS setup, and I have noticed the most impressive upgrade UHD offers is the sound!!! HDR and resolution are upgraded, but the better sound is absolutely amazing!!!
I enjoy the accuracy and additional overhead information.
There are a few regular Blu Rays that have Atmos, but they are far and few between.
I know that this Is really out of topic but, this man's voice Is so sooting and he should have adedicated ASMR channel
Exactly what i was thinking. His voice calmed me completely 😅
To the naysayers physical media is king and streaming is like watching satellite TV. Although 4k and Dolby Atmos are being streamed the physical copy of the movie is the only way to if you want quality and not quantity!
So very glad to see people enjoying physical media!!
4K is good but I only buy my favorite films in it. And what’s weird is they don’t have a lot of my favorite films on 4K like Dawn of the dead 1978 version. I been waiting for that for years. But 4K is good. Netflix can’t stream in 4K better than having the original disc. The internet can’t push that much technology yet. If you really want to experience 4K you have to get the disc.
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I’m a big fan of the 7.1 DTS sound mix on the blu-ray for the 1st Jurassic Park, especially the bass in the T-Rex rain scene. Does the DTS:X mix retain or even increase that level of bass?
Great review ! Thanks
You’re welcome!
I’m 23 and I’m actually starting yo into buying Blue rays because it’s almost the same pricing as buying the digital version. Except that you get three copies on the the blue ray and now I’m thinking if it’s worth buying 4K ultra hd.
Good point!
A/V bandwidth and through put is higher on 4K UHD devices than streaming.
Loved your sooting voice man 👌
How well ca 4K be applied to the 1956 epic, The Ten Commandments?
The 4k disc is supposed to look excellent because it was shot on 35mm film and scanned at 6k. Since it is a classic the studio took their time and did a great job. I haven’t seen it on 4k yet but I hear it looks fantastic.
Thank you for your help.
That scene example you provided, and maybe because it was a night scene, did not impress at all. Honestly I rewound 10 times and my eyes could not see a noticeable difference... Im a 4K fan, but here I just couldn't be persuaded. Good video however
Thanks
Thanks for the video - still collecting physical media (mostly 4K) in 2021
Me too.
Physical only for me
Nothing like the Physical copy of a Movie or Game
Same
I mean I have so many DVDs ….been trying to upgrade but it’s a lot to do
I have so many movies
I don’t have a 4K tv lol but been buying 4K to future proof
But now worried 8k will be out eventually
@@talksick508 Same, I've been stuck on FHD for at least 6 years now, 4k was too expensive at the time, but soon I might be able to upgrade to a 4k TV, only 4k media I have is a PS4, PS5 and some digital 4k movies on a hard drive, since physical 4k movies are hard to come by where I live, but again same as you, I'm worried that by the time I have a decent 4k collection, everyone will have upgraded to 8k, though I'm still grateful for being able to watch most films in 720p and 1080p
I agree 4K does look and sound better ..I have just watched 2001 and Wonder Woman in 4K and wow they both look sharp and sound powerful.. Physical media forever.
Very True. 9 times out 10 the 4K version is the best a Film every looked and come with a new 7.1 surround sound mix.
But you still need to look out & read up on some of the Early 4k releases on account their are a few Duds. Such as Terminator 2 and WarCraft.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven I already have the 4K disc from terminator 2.
@@nathancruz9172 I am so sorry to hear that. My thought and prayers go out to you & your 4k collection.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven eventually, I’ll get more 4K movies from every old and new movie collections.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven there's plenty of examples of 4k movies using dnr and some other examples where surprisingly the blu ray variant may even look better at times.
I’m definitely getting this on 4k. Same with the LOTR series.
It’s worth it, haven’t seen LOTR in 4K though.
I'm waiting for 4k lotr and hobbit. Gemini man awesome
I’m waiting for the FULL LOTR 4K release next year. The 4K release this year does not have any of the behind the scenes or extra features 😉👍
I’m curious about the hobbit series. Because I know that it was framed at 48pfs for the theatrical release. I believe the Blu-ray release is framed the same. I wonder what 48fps looks like in 4K. That’s the hobbit though. Lol.
4k LOTR is awesome i just finished watching all 3 extended movies and they look way better than the regular blu rays
Man I really like your voices with the review it's really inviting, You do what you do negative comment don't even matter. People gonna complain regardless just like expensive speakers wire and audio cables. UHD 4K disc is really better than streaming .
Thanks 🙏🏾
It's like ASMR lol
You are wonderful commentator, clear, concise, honest, humble, respectable. Keep it up, you earned a sub from me!
Thank you 🙏🏾
Same.
Thanks
Physical media forever
I understand people not wanting to move on to 4K stuff due to the extra cost, but for people to say there is no difference or that the new features are just gimmicks is just plain wrong.
Some "4Ks" though are deceivingly just an upscale or resize.
There is not that many 4k movies that look any better than there bluray counterparts. Same with atmos moat atmos movies sound worse than than the normal version. When its done well 4k hdr is a lot better
But if you have a good TV and player the upscale g of your normal blurays is just as good as most 4k copy's.
Yeah I agree there are some duds. I'm very picky about what I buy, as like you both say, some discs are barely any different
Most movies are an upgrade as most blu rays prior to 2014 are just a low bitrate and encode. A new blu ray can look “4K” if it’s a good high bitrate in a good compression format. HDR , Atmos, and large color space do bring out a lot. Price is high though.
Facts. I started upgrading my favorite blu-ray movies to 4k after buying a 85 inch x900h with a Atmos speaker setup which includes a Sony str-dn1080 receiver. Watching movies in 4K HDR with Atmos is a whole new experience for me and I am enjoying every minute of it.
I agree - I love 4K and Dolby Atmos!! Too bad the Jurassic Park set doesn't have Dolby Atmos.
The flashlight test: HDR rules!!!
Red: I noticed that on Top Gun 4K too.
HDR is not a gimmick. It is INTEGRAL to seeing all the contrast range from highlights to shadows in a film or digital source.
I care more about HDR than 8k, 8K only matters with a larger screen and at minimum you need an 80 inch TV to see small changes from 4k.
@@millabasset1710 spot on I tell people unless you are buying an 85 inch or up TV don’t bother getting 8K.
Do you have the John Wick UHD Blu Ray movies? There is no way anyone can call 4k or HDR a gimmick. It's some of the most beautiful images you'll ever see in your life. It's just stunning. Now Jurassic Park is not the greatest transfer I've ever seen. An old movie that did transfer amazing is Jaws. That is a blow you away disc.
Jaws in 4K looks excellent! I have the disc and haven’t watched the Blu-ray because the 4K looks so good 😄😄😄
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist oh yeah, looks amazing. Cheech out the John Wick UHD Blu Rays. If you don't like the violence, try Everest, HDR is wow!
I’ve seen the first JW but not the other two, I’ll have to check them out. Also seen Everest but not on 4K I’ll add that to the list! So many movies so little time 🤣🤣
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Everest is a wow fest of beauty in HDR. By the way you have the most underrated HT channel. I loved your review of the RSL Speedwoofer. I am gonna buy dual Speedwoofer 10S subs soon to replace my PB1000. I would love to see you review RSL CG23/CG3 speakers.
Physical media for your most favorite movies always.
The 4k movies are so amazing, you just need to research before you buy. Some 4k movies don't cut it.
Always research each individual movie.
I always pick up the 4k version even if I already own the blu ray I have about 40 or so 4k titles and 150 blu rays
@David Mander nice no 4k though ?
have about 110 4k's........ 2500 blue rays .........500 dvd.....love my movies
@Airock the Atheist yea I’ve spent more than I’d like to know in movies but it’s nice to always have them no matter what plus most came with either blu ray dvd and digital copy or 4k disc blu ray and digital copy so the price isn’t a issue for me when you get the best of both worlds
I choose to buy 4K Blu-ray discs over regular Blu-ray discs and streaming for quite a few reasons.
#1- I only buy one to two movies every month so I'm not dumping hundreds and hundreds of dollars every month into the format. since my collection grows slowly buying the premium format is not overly expensive.
#2- HDR, in my opinion, is the biggest improvement over standard Blu-ray.
#3- although I don't have a Dolby Atmos setup, I know that one day if I do decide to get one, all of my discs will be able to support that format.
#4- I only buy movies that I know I'm going to watch over and over again and mean something special to me. And because of that it means a lot to have it in the best format possible.
Don't matter how much streaming services are growing, I still like to have a physical copy of my favorite movies. I have the Jurassic Park trilogy 2011 blu-ray and need to find my old vhs tape. I also don't like to depend on online services for everything, I have my subscriptions but like the backups just in case
I’m 41 years old and always been a keen fan of seeing films at their best (I even saw Star Wars ep 2&3 in digital on DLP projectors which was the future back then). I’ve grown up on vhs then moved to dvd then to Blu-ray and now 4k and 4k is the best way to watch films without question, it’s a cleaner more natural tighter image that Blu-ray just doesn’t offer. Add HDR to the mix and you seeing details and colours you never did. The best upgrade it offers is to older films made on traditional film, films you watched on vhs and dvd. The matrix which I’m going through at the moment is a massive night and day difference, beetle juice aswell is another example. 4k films 99% of the time are brand new scans of the original negative whereas blurays are mostly taken from a digital master so that’s another plus for 4k. If you a genuine film fan 4k is the best format to watch films without doubt
Another 41-year-old here, and I'd echo these sentiments. It's definitely worth looking into reviews of 4k disks before you buy, as the difference from Blu-ray can vary quite a lot since, as Stew Pot said, understanding whether they did a new scan is important, especially for film. Digital is hit or miss since a lot of effects were captured at 2k so the benefits won't be there, but newer movies should have 4k+ digital for everything, which is great as well, just not as stark a difference from a 1080p digital downsample, compared to a lower res film scan that's been digitized. The HDR and newer audio options like Atmos, if you have the setup to support them, are big benefits as well. I wouldn't recommend buying a ton of 4k disks if I were just watching movies in my dorm room on a 55-inch screen or something, but on a 70+ inch screen, you start to see a big difference. Lastly, Netflix can't take away your favorite movie if you own the disk, and if the Internet goes down or sucks, you can still watch, worry free.
"4k films 99% of the time are brand new scans of the original negative" Really? What i read in lots of UHD Disc Reviews tells a different story - a lot of UHDs are just upscaled 2K Masters and just added HDR, Noise Reduction and Sharpening Filters to it. New 4K Rescans are not sadly still not the Standard for UHD Discs. Prove me wrong with some sources.
@@blaggzear3152 they are 2k upscales cos the film was finished off at 2k, these are usually cgi heavy films as rendering the cgi at 4k is just silly and way too much compute time. Films made on traditional film are most of the time taken from their original source like beetle juice and LOTRS for example. DNR is usually a nasty byproduct of the studio using the 3D master cos DNR is used to remove grain as it causes all sorts of issues with layers in 3D conversions, terminator 2 is perfect example.
I’m 38 years old and agree with you 99%. However to say that 99% of 4K films were scan in 4K from the original camera negatives is probably pushing it. Films from early 2000 were already switching to digital intermediates for their masters and many of those only exist in 2k. Even the CGI effects were rendered in 2k. What many 4K Blu-rays doing is simply upscaling the 2k DI masters into 4K, adding HDR and voila. Do they look good? Sure. Could they look better? Absolutely! To go back and rescan all the camera negatives at 4K, edit the footage, redo all the color corrections and completely re-render all cgi effects in 4K would cost so much money and time. Another alternate method is scan the internegative print in 4K but still even that is generation or two away from the original camera negatives.
@@vangmx yeah I know what you saying and I not worded it the best but I did kinda address it too in the previous comment in regards to traditional filmed films being more then likely rescans in 4K. It’s more the newer stuff that’s 2k that’s cgi heavy
I buy 4K for future proofing/HDR/Atmos and the better restorations of old films like Jaws. If you buy smart and look for deals you can get multibuys like 3 for £30. There is also second hand.
I look for sales often, also jaws on 4K looks excellent! I picked it up over the summer.
The DTS X on these discs bring new sound to these movies!
All films ive got with dts x is best sound ive heard incredible hulk is demo sound picture not so great.
Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos is another plus with 4K
@@markclancy5371 what’s better. Dolby atmos or dts x
@@saucyx4 the films I've seen i prefer dts x the old dts master audio was mostly better aswell.but there isn't much dts x content 😭
@@markclancy5371 Fr bro? Honestly the average person would assume Dolby is superior. I’m looking for compatible sound bars with either one tho but probably lean towards Dolby since it seems to be more well supported
4K Blu-ray is the way to go if you want better Video and AUDIO
I've got a mixture of both, and part of it depends on what 4k blu ray player you're using... they're not all created equal. I have a Sony UBP-X800m2, and it does a very good job.
You cannot compare something that’s on a 4k disk to 4k streaming. Great video.
You can, but streaming 4K looks very bad in comparison.
I notice the big difference in sound. Streaming . The sound is very weak in comparison to a physical disc .
If you have a simple home setup, not much difference will be noticed. But for the BEST home theater experience, 4K UHD discs are simply the only way to go at this time. Current streaming does not compare.
The two biggest things for me on 4k discs are hdr / dolby vision and standard dts:x / atmos . specially on the 4k hdr beamer with 150inch screen 4k itselfs is surely visible
4k streams on netflix often lack high def sound and have a low 4k bitrate. For me its no contest between streaming and 4k discs.
People who say there is no difference own a crappy tv and only a soundbar at most
Streaming people. What happens when a storm wipes out your internet for a week. How are you going to watch your movie? Streaming artifects anyone? Movies being removed from your library without notice because of licence issues? No thanks i will keep my disc. No hate toward streaming,. just stating facts.
My equipment does a really good job upscaling normal blu-ray disks to my 4K projektor, so I dont see the difference versus the 4K disks That I've purchased.
Some newer blu-ray disks even have Atmos and DTS:X on it. The only thing I think I am missing out on is the HDR.
My optoma UHD51 only supports HDR10, and I have it disabled, since I dont think it adds anything good to the picture... I've heard you'd need a really expensive projector to enjoy HDR as it was intended. Otherwise I think people with OLED tv's definitely get an advantage when it comes to HDR content.
The issue with 4K at the moment is a lot of the "4K Ultra HD" discs out there are 2K upscales to 4K and are missing HDR. In 2015, it became mandatory for all BluRay movies that were going to be "4K Ultra HD" to ALSO include HDR while allowing HDR10+ and Dolby Vision to be optional. However, before this requirement, SEVERAL BluRay discs were released with the naming of "4K Ultra HD" and were not so impressive.
There IS an online resource where you can see if the movie you own (or are about to buy) in 4K Ultra HD is ACTUALLY a 4K transfer or just a 2K upscale WITHOUT ANY HDR whatsoever. I believe this is why there are people out there claiming that 1080p HD BluRay movies are good enough and 4K Ultra HD movies are unnecessary, but if you show one of those people a 4K HDR, HDR10+, or Dolby Vision version of the 4K Ultra HD movie, they WILL convert. lol. HDR is AMAZING.
Although I haven't used it in a while Real or Fake 4k by the 4K media was a good resource. Also, a lot of 4K blu-ray reviews do mention the source material.
Catching the thumbnail by glance and legit thought you was straight up Sam L Jackson for a second
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Great way to put everything. I think it also varies movie to movie. I think all 4k UHD will be superior, but by how much varies on the transfer, editing, and the TV you are viewing it on. Lord of the rings 4k UHD for example blows the Blu ray out of the water.
Mastering is everything, exactly. As has always been the case of course.
I remember the Blu-Rays film grain was just way too distracting. This 4k looks good tho.
Nice video comparison. I would like to bring something up though. Your comparison, as with everyone else I've found, compares the older version standard version blu-ray against the newer version 4k. Wouldn't it be better and more accurate to compare the newest mastered 4k against the newest mastered standard blu-ray?? A lot of movies come with both 4k and standard blu-ray, so that would be a better approach, I would think, then comparing a standard blu-ray from 10 years ago, with a 4 k from last year.. This way, you and others, could see what hdr and all of that truly does. G
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Its funny you are talking about the Jurassic Park 4K disc. I have that, and when I popped it into my player, I literally could not tell the difference between the 4K disc and the standard Blu-Ray. I had to eject it to make sure I didn't accidently put in the standard BD Disc. If you wanna talk about amazing looking 4K discs, then 2001 A Space Odyssey, Apocalypse Now, and oddly enough, Groundhog Day, and the 1992 Dracula
I just bought a 6 disc pack of these movies that has only two of them, but it has 4K and 3D Bluray, and also regular bluray.
Streaming is almost useless to me, sometimes my internet speed is easily fast enough to do it no problems, but 10 minutes later it might be unable to keep up with UHD and decent audio, so best you might get is 1080p...
I'll stick to buying real discs. If i'm going to buy a movie these days, may as well buy the 4K Bluray version, they almost all come with both 4K UHD and normal Bluray anyway!!
Well Done. You are one of the few reviewers that gives us samples of video or sound to illustrate your points. It helps a lot most times!
Glad it was helpful! Thank You!
4K isn't a huge difference, but HDR IS the gimmick, (it's dull and drab imo) I never use it, details, meh, some are a little different, not much. Games on the other hand are the only real use for 4K, and you get the most from them, NOT movies. 4K is also good for Nature shows, Planet Earth etc. Other than that, 4K will never be the norm. Dolby Vision with no HDR gives dramatically better colors, and a better picture, even ones not in 4K (Netflix, Blu Ray discs etc). You'll see this in the future when TV's take FULL advantage of the 12 bit colors, as opposed to 10. Soon. 4K even in 2021 is still in it's infancy, and will remain so for 90% of the population who don't care about sharper hair, skin tone, etc. And just want to watch their movies, with a good picture.
Most UHD disks are pure placebo.
People keep saying Blade Runner 2049 is a must-own 4K BluRay, yet it‘s literally just a Rec.709 video without any HDR or WCG.
Streaming is not where it's at.....never as good quality as the physical copy. Bluray is great, 4K players usually upscale (mine does) and the result is almost indistinguishable from 4K and looks stunning on a big screen.
I just got this 4K collection for Jurassic Park as well lol
Same!
I saw these on sale and missed it. It was like 40 bucks for 5 films on 4k bluray.
I also buy 4k blurays, as do many of us.
Discs are not dead. The video from streaming is close, especially on apple tv +.
4k is a gimmick? LOL.
Streaming audio does not come close. Not even close.
Yea I picked them up during the sale, basically $8.50 per movie.
The worst streaming service so far for audio is HBOMAX.....
I tried to watch transformers dark side of the moon and had to have my setup on 70
Switched to a Bluray and it was too loud at 62 😳
@@onecleangti well it depends. Bluray is always going to be better. If you are on an apple tv 4k, they decode all their audio into mc lpcm and its normally a good 5db(at least) lower than average.
Apple tv 4k is the best thing out there, but yea hno max kinda sucks. It really depends. As the video quality in some shows(the flight attendant) almost looks like its 4k. In others, its just terrible. Thankfully, they finally have 4k and hdr now. They released wonder woman in 4k dolby vision with Dolby atmos(on apple tv 4k its piggybacked on Dolby mat, unlike blurays which will use Dolby truehd, or other services which use Dolby digital +). Its better than DD+, but yea wonder woman showcased how bad it is. Its 4k and Dolby vision and really wasn't good audio and video was just OK. Not even close to apple tv+ or netflix
your voice is so soothing 😩 loved the video
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I cant upgrade to 4K . gotta buy a new 4k tv , 4K player and of course the 4K discs . its expensive. I'm sticking to bluray still
100% understandable. Always stick with a budget
Nice man... That was a good analysis of what the differences were. And you showed that well. I'm still living in the past with my 1080p projector and the only 4k display I have is my bar TV lol (and my computer monitor). Looking forward to making the jump to 4K this next year, expecting I'll be watching a lot of movies over!
Thanks! I wish I were living the projector lifestyle but there isn't a good way to install a projector in my current setup 😀. I've been thinking of alternative setups/rooms so we'll see what happens in the future. 😁😁
Disc is better than media
Just remember for future our eyes can't physical tell the difference between 4k and 8k sitting 8ft or more away from tv. There was a blind tv test between two tv video engineers and both chose the 4k having better picture over 8k. 4k is the end of the line for high video quality for consumers. 4k is worth it over blu ray if you the average person have the correct video/audio setup. 8k is actually the gimmick.
@David Mander that’s not true well for me anyways I have a 43 inch tv for now and can definitely tell the difference and especially with hdr it’s night and day
@David Mander Even a small TV will make a big difference if it handles HDR well.
That depends on screen size as well. If you’re going massive, then 8K can make a difference.
@@nacthenud not true both tvs were over 70inches for 4k and 8k. Even up close one foot away there was no physical difference from the video engineer blind tv test. Our eyes can't physically tell the difference.
@@MetalsForBrunch I believe I've seen the video you're talking about. There are problems with the Samsung 8K TV that make it not true 8K as some other videos have explained. But also, I'm not talking about 70inch screens. I'm talking about 100+ inch screens where 4K pixels become individually discernable (depending on distance).
Everything looks the same when your rocking a 2007 Toshiba 720P baby!!
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Hi Netherlands 🇳🇱👋🏾👋🏾. Thank you!
Physical discs and streaming, until everything is available streaming in the highest resolution, HDR and Atmos I'll aways still buy discs. If I have the disc(s) I don't have to worry about a streaming service loosing the rights to stream a video and it suddenly disappearing off the service.
Not to mention not having an internet service or one fast enough to even stream, I would have to rip discs and take them along with one of my Nvidia ShieldTV media players when traveling to visit family.
You've got HDR 4K and atmos on Netflix, but the compression is just undesireable and that's a choice from netflix to cut costs.
The 4K for JP isn't perfect but it is by far the best home release available. It is a bit dark and a bit desaturated - but there are spots where it is great-
Thanks for making this video, I'm a big 4k blu-ray steelbook collector
You’re welcome! Enjoy the holidays!
the folks who think 4k blurays are a gimmick dont have proper theater rooms. they might say they do online, but their setup isnt ideal or they are just jealously watching videos from their parent's house. our dedicated theater room is a windowless room with black walls, sound treatment, stadium theater seats, a 4k hdr projector, 135" screen (with 1.1 gain), custom tuned speakers and in ceiling speakers for 3d audio (5.2.2). i can assure you, 4k blurays are muuuch better than standard bluray and slightly better than 4k streaming, although not as noticeably as standard bluray. these days i much prefer watching movies at home to the theater.
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I would say the Blu-Ray picture noise is not film grain, more like digital noise due to very poor conversion resulting in a picture far below Blu-Ray capabilities. It's terrible.
The 4k is much cleaner, but suspect this is mainly due to far superior mastering.
Blu-Ray vs 4k?
If you have the TV and eyesight to do it justice and the mastering is of best quality, 4k everytime.
But Blu-Ray can also be fantastic.
Thanks 🙏🏾
Great comparison of the same scene with the flashight. It really was an excellent visualization of the difference between 1080p and 4k. Curious though how much a difference when my 4K tv upscales a Blu Ray disk?
The main difference in this scene is hdr on the 4K disc. So just upscaling resolution won’t show that much detail in the shadows or highlights.
JP is one of my favorite. I still like the disc over stream.
I will always buy the 4k version of a movie if it is a movie I don't already own. For the most part, I have decided that in my case though, I will not upgrade my collection to 4k as those titles come out. The exceptions for which I will upgrade to 4k are for those movies that are at the top of my all-time favorite movies list for titles like Jaws, Halloween, The Matrix, the theatrical release of the original Star Wars trilogy if they ever decide to give the people what they actually want, etc.
Now this really makes me wonder Netflix implementation of 4:3 and other times they have had Jurassic Park. Would love to see your comparison of UHD vs Streaming services as well for this or other films. Thanks. Subscribed
I have been picking up the 4k movies for a little over 2 years now. My rule that I try to stick to is I try not to buy anything over 15 bucks. Get everything on sale.
I try to buy when on sale as well, then you can get multiple movies for the price of 1 blockbuster :)
Good info and finally a content creator that doesn't feel the need to shout all the time. Cheers dude, keep 'em coming :)
Thank you 🙏🏾
I remembered your video on collecting 4K Blu-rays from 2019 as I commented on it at the time. It played a large part in convincing me that I should start collecting 4K Blu-rays, as I had just bought a 4K TV and was unsure. Since then I have purchased over 30 4K titles, both old and new, and have also started replacing my standard Blu-rays. It’s a fantastic format, one that I believe is going to be supported for a long time to come.
Having said that, I am subscribed to two streaming services namely Netflix and Disney+. These I mainly use for watching original content. There is no substitute in my mind for watching a film on physical media, especially 4K.
The other aspect of streaming that concerns me is that the services can, seemingly on a whim, censor their content. Very recently of course there was a story concerning Netflix censoring the 2000 film Final Destination, for a literally 2-second hanging reference. While censorship is sometimes necessary to protect certain groups, it can be misused as in this case. This is just one example why physical media will always be superior to streaming.
Finally, by happy coincidence I received the original Jurassic Park trilogy on 4K for Christmas. I’ve just checked out the original film, and the superior quality of the image in particular is immediately apparent!
First of all, loving the Atari controller! 😂😂 I should have thought of that!
I hadn’t thought about censorship issues with streaming but that is a great point.
The 4K version of JP, really does look good.🙂
Happy Holidays to you and your family as well. Note: I love my disk collection but I admit I am only buying favorite movies or blockbusters on disk these days.
Happy Holidays!!!
Interesting you see less film grain on 4K versus Blu-ray, so far with my fav 80s and 90s movies I’ve been noticing more film grain on the 4K. My wife hates it. I try to tell her it’s a more authentic experience :-) but I agree with your other points, I have noticed better coloring and better sound on the 4K discs. Also keep in mind I can stream 4K through VUDU with just a 25 Mb Internet connection with bandwidth to spare. But when I watch the bit rate coming from a UHD player it’s 75 to 95 Mb. That’s a significant quality difference. But perhaps only an aficionado will notice.
Thank you for sharing I really appreciate that 🙏 😊
Best version is 3d blu ray it looks amazing on my oled 65 e6
When I bought my Oppo 203 and my Sony 4k tv, I bought a Star Wars in 4K that also came with a bluray disc. I didn't find any difference between the 2 discs. Unless the 4k titles are the same price as Bluray, I will stick with Bluray.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but just for the hell of it, take a still frame of a scene (preferably with people) in 4k and then Blu-ray. You will see a difference. Or if you have Vudu, switch from 4k to Blu-ray and you will notice the difference. The Matrix trilogy might be one of the biggest changes!
The prequels aren't worth the upgrade, but the OT certainly is. I couldn't believe how good Empire looked when I first popped it in.
In fact, that disc is what convinced me that 4K was worth going with. Before that I felt the same as you.
Not all movies are a big upgrade, for sure. But when HDR is handled well... game-changing!
@@MoldyMojoMonkey One thing that we have to remember is how good is our vision. I now use glasses to watch TV because I can really see a difference . The same goes for audio. If our hearing is not that great the best speakers and amp will make little difference. I'm now 69 and I don't hear as well as before especially speech.
i usually end buy my movie in 4k some transfer are just better then other's one of my all time favor is The Shining wow
Thanks for the review brother much appreciated! I'm a physical media supporter because the quality is better than streaming. I always get reviews on 4k before I buy because all 4k transfers are not equal!
Thanks
@ that's true Douglas. I'm new to streaming but I've read where movies and documentaries are only on temporarily. With physical media we own the product and can watch them when we want!
@@howardbrooks101 for this reason AND because they have been changing the movies story these days, I am more willing to buy physical media to keep the original story without parts being removed or edited to not offend any viewers that watch it.
@@TriMuXx good point! I completely forgot about that one 😲
As long as 4K discs come with a digital copy I will keep purchasing them. Get to watch the best quality of the film at home, and then get to access a digital copy anywhere I go and don't have to worry about it dropping from a streaming service
4k disc is better as it's going to be newer remaster but tbh I just played Jurassic park 2013 Blu-ray yesterday on my 4k tv and it looks very very nice indeed
👍🏾 the 2013 Blu-ray does look good, I played it for years! 😁
if u want watch a good movie with good sound u got go back on 1080p tv and 1080p bluray its better then 4k tv and 4k blu-ray dude and 1080p tv looks amazing compare to garbage 4k tvs
Their will always be low level watchers/listener and that’s fine. I love movies too much to always watch them with low quality. I recently watched its a wonderful life in 4K, have been watching it since the early 70’s and have owned it on every format, and was blown away how clean and clear the picture was. This might be the exception, but for me streaming is a fast and lazy was to watch movies. Just my opinion.
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True that. I know people who still watch DVD's with stretched image on a TV from 2007 and they say it's good enough 😆. To each their own.
However they are just content. And that's perfectly fine. I don't try to convince people they need more.
Now, I enjoy the benefits that modern tech brings to the table so yeah 4K (true) remasters for me please.
I'm so tired of the price-issue; yes, if you need the latest releases on the day they drop, you'll pay handsomely for that privilege, but if like me, you can wait a little, you can get some awesome deals which make price a non-issue. I got the whole Hunger Games Quadrilogy as single 4k-discs for round $10/each. For the last five 4k-discs I bought: Full Metal Jacket, Sicario, Parasite, Joker, and 1917 I payed roughly the same; round $10 per disc. As I write this, I'm looking at the Amazon prices of 1917: $11:99 for DVD, $9:99 for Bluray, and $13:99 for the 4k disc. I know there are many people in the US for whom two dollars make a huge difference, but I'm willing to bet they're not physical media collectors. A TWO dollar difference between DVD and 4k.. The ONLY times I've payed full price for films, have been when small companies have dropped something which I really wanted, and I've also wanted to support the companies efforts: The Deer Hunter comes to mind, which I pre-ordered from Shout; I think I payed $29:99. And I'm awaiting the arrival at my door of the Limited Release 4k-restoration from Arbelos Films of Sátántangó; that cost somewhere in the forties, when I ordered it. But for mainstream releases, I've NEVER payed over $20 and hardly ever more than $15. I also collect Criterion Collection Bluray's and mostly buy them straight from Criterion or from Barnes & Noble, when either have their bi-annual 50% off sales. When your old 1080p TV and/or player break, the price for a 4k-replacement will be almost exactly what you'd pay for 1080p, so can we PLEASE stop talking money?! PS: great video; I'm hereby following!!
Oh, and PPS: OF COURSE there's a difference!! If you can't see it, then please; save the two dollars and buy the DVD..
30 dollars for a movie is gouging. It is what it is. They have no reason to do it, other than that some suckers will fall for it. But yes eventually the price will go down. Which is good because these studios hardly deserve the money, I don't care what movie you're talking about. If you think the actual creators of these movies see more than maybe a fraction of that money then you don't know how the industry works.
The Blu-ray had edge enhancements and sharpening that made the grain stand out so much more.
Seems it was a thing Universal often did back then, but wishing they had skipped.
Definitely worth it. The jump from HD to UHD is just as significant as the jump was from SD to HD. Coincidentally, Jurassic Park was the first UHD movie I watched to test out my Panasonic UHD Blu-ray player. I was blown away about as much as I was when first I watched an HD video after having only seen SD content previously.
My only concern is that it might only prove to be an interim/transitionary format for the goal - 8K. Most receivers are already touting 8K capability...
I don’t think 8K discs will be a thing. Too niche. Also, not many films will benefit from it. It’s too expensive for a tiny upgrade for a tiny markets
Streaming doesn’t hold a candle 4K Blu-ray IMO. The bit rate is much lower and it shows. 4K Blu-ray sounds richer and looks more solid. Overall it is just a more cinematic experience.
It’s a shame the disks are so expensive though, so I only buy films I love.
One day though I’m sure streaming will catch-up, but not anytime soon.
Great review btw
I think 4K UHD DVDs Win. Compared to standard DVD ultra 4K UHD is the better upgrade not blu-ray. Blu ray in my opinion sucks.
nope standed bluray is better then dvd How could you say that blue ray sucks DVD quality is terrible on 4k tv you don't know because you probably never watch dvd on your TV that's why ultra 4k disc colors not right So standes blueray better then dvd.
@@Nickwilde2295 I'd still rather have the better quality over the blu-ray or maybe TH-cam videos aren't good at comparisons
Physical media is the best for as long as you have the player always available when the format will die and you will be stuck with your discs with nothing to play them with. 8 am old enough to know.
Ever since I started editing videos in HD I've been craving bitrate to be improved online. Even HD is at 5mbps usually, so getting rid of physical media, 4K or even standard HD would hurt. It's all about that bitrate!!!!
Over the last couple of years I've noticed the video quality of streaming services improve dramatically for whatever reason. I think they're using vastly superior VBR algorithms now mainly.
@@SidNightWalker Prime seems to have a pretty good bitrate. But Netflix seems pretty poor
@@BenJonesVideographer I've seen improvements across the board myself, especially with 4K content, which of course Netflix has tons of.
I also prefer the 4K experience, but some people think the popping of the color makes it seem more fake so it depends on your own taste i guess (And how well it's done ofcource).
Sound is the bigger thing i think. But then again, most don't have high end sound systems
Damn I have like 5,000 dvds
This sucks I don’t wanna have to rebuy them all again :(
I have a lot of Blu-ray’s too
Damn this blows I wish they just let u do it for half off or free
I want you to do a video where you compare the Jurassic Park movies 4k vs the 3D 1080p counterparts.
I’ll admit from the outset that I’m commenting without watching the full video, however...
On the point of ‘is 4K better than Blu-Ray/1080p HD?’, I would have to say that if you’re watching on a decent home theatre/cinema system, with the appropriate amplification and speaker set up, I personally find the experience to be slightly better. I don’t think it’s as revolutionary as going from watching 480p SD (standard definition) to 1080p (high definition), or the step up from stereo sound to 5.1 surround sound.
A decent OLED 4K television will upscale Blu-Ray sourced films anyway, and depending on how good the tv’s processing is, you would probably be happy to watch an upscaled Blu-Ray with a decent HD audio sound (like Dolby Digital + or DTS HD Master Audio).
As a collector of films, I have a load of Blu-Ray films, most of which I won’t buy again just to have the 4K version. I can only speak for myself, but I’m happy enough to watch a film in 1080p upscaled to 4K. A native 4K disc of course looks brilliant anyway and is a bonus, but no way revolutionary (imho).
Thanks for admitting to not watching the entire video before commenting 😀. I did mention that the jump from Blu-ray to 4K is not nearly as big as dvd to Blu-ray later in the video.
I would agree that the resolution difference is often not a huge leap, but when HDR is done well, it can completely revitalize a film and be a huge leap.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist thanks for your reply.
I discovered that you addressed the issue of the jump from Blu Ray to 4K wasn’t that huge, so apologies for jumping the gun!
Good video btw, and I subscribed 👍🏾
Keep em coming!
@@nacthenud most definitely!
HDR done well is absolutely awesome.
Home cinema is in a really good place at the moment, and can only get better.
Now we just need prices to just come down a notch (or two!)
Thanks for subbing!
I really love this 4K version of Jurassic park. Wonderful review!
Thank you 🙏🏾
The one major thing I noticed is the Blu-rays are brighter then the 4K. But details in the 4K pop out more. Which I really noticed in the Star Wars prequel trilogy. But movies like Alien it's a Ying and Yang the detail is sharper but being a dark movie in the first place it's a lot darker on 4K then Blu-ray version. But they both looking stunning. So it's a hard call. Most movies I'll buy on Blu-ray if the come with the 4K cool. But my absolute favorite movies like the complete Star Wars saga episodes 1-6 and Alien and Braveheart I have to have them both. There is one shot on Attack of the Clones that really pop out to me, when Obi-Wan lands on the water planet, kamino, he's meets one of the aliens it's a full screen shot of her head on Blu-ray you can see all the skin pores and veins under the skin and it looks 100% photo-realistic but on the 4K, ever though it's darker, the skin tone in veins under the skin REALLY POP OUT!!! Making something that looks 100% photorealistic even more realistic. So I think it's really constant trade-off I would tell people to buy the absolute films on 4K and just other films on Blu-ray. Cuz they both do look amazing. I also noticed attack of the Clones again the geonosian Arena is the clone dropships a lifting up out of the Arena you can see the sun and it looks 100% better then the Sun on the Blu-ray Wichita looks incredible. It's much like the scene you showed us Jurassic Park with the flashlight. The exact same idea. But there are some shots in my opinion on 4K that are a little too dark that look better on Blu-ray but overall if it's your favorite movies 4K I think it's the way to go.
I 100% agree with u I am a huge collector of physical media and will always be. I love blu ray and 4K and older movies to me look so much better on 4K because they are shot on film. Long live physical media.
4K Tv with a real HDR are very expensive and you need at least 700 nits. If you have an entry level or medium range 4K Tv, the new 4K BR discs are useless. There are many factors to check, like the TV diagonals dimension, THE DISTANCE you watching your movies and other stuff. Regular BR discs are enough to enjoy your movies. Stop thinking about the pixels and focus about THE MOVIE. You're like many videogames players thinking about videocards, effects and other stuff but not realizing they are playing a good or a bad game.
For example, a 43 inch TV at 4K resolution is a waste of money, because at that diagonal dimension you can enjoy a 1080p BR discs like a 4K movie at a distance of 2,5 meters. It's only marketing, wake up.
The improvement in the flashlight scene you showed had nothing to do with 4K, rather it was better tone mapping. That could be HDR, or just a better job of adjusting the gamma curve for this scene.
yeah 4k *can* absolutely be noticeably better than bluray. Even when its not noticeable, the increased sharpness, quality, and color accuracy in faces alone create a more emotive response out of me even when its just subconscious differences. Even if you take away the extra sharpness, and the HDR, even if you are dealing with an upscale, the shear fact that the bitrate is much higher and codec more efficient means quality is better. I don't think I've noticed any banding or compression artefacts on any 4k disk - wheras such things can be regularly noticeable in dark scenes on bluray, or in dynamic noisy scenes like explosions that simply max out the smaller max bitrate on bluray. (same for streaming - yes those 4k streams do look amazing and more than good enough... until you hit an explosion and macro blocking is clearly noticeable). Its very minor on bluray (and good streams) but it is still there, where as on the UHD disks, the max bitrates north of 100mbit/s seems to be enough to completely eliminate this problem. Even standing a foot from my 77" tv it can be hard to notice the macroblocks.
Which means you are getting practically a lossless image. when you add to that the 4k and the HDR at normal viewing distances, it is really hard to imagine getting much better - in short the technical limitations are negligible.
And that's why I say *can* above, because if anything, eliminating technical limitations from the format, means the differences between different 4k releases are now more stark than ever before. You really are clearly seeing every technical and artistic choice taken in the original filming, mastering and any remastering for the release. For better or worse.
And while its always famous last words, I think there is reason to believe 4k bluray will be more future proofed than previous formats, and will remain the pinnacle of home entertainment for quite some time - indeed *forever*, for most films that exist today. And ironically one of the key indicators of this is the fact the format is failing! There is clearly limited consumer demand for these 4k disks, let alone 8k or whatever would come next. There seems to be reasonable demand for it on the streaming services, shown by the fact that all of them are investing heavily in making all their new content 4k, dolby vision, dolby atmos etc. and in 2018, 30% of netflix subscribers were on the top tier, either to get more simultaneous streams, or more likely, to get UHD.
But even if there was massive consumer demand for ever increasing quality, there is also the hard technical limit of the entire film industry production pipeline to consider: The fact is 4k has actually leapfrogged the literal film masters! Most films made this century are ultimately mastered at 2k. If they have any reasonable amount of CGI, they will almost certainly be mastered at 2k, because rendering the CGI any higher is impractical, even today. Consider Avengers Endgame, that movie had a budget of nearly half a f***ing BILLION dollars, and was still mastered in 2k. So how long do you think its going to be before these CGI fests (lets face it, usually the most impressive films that AV heads are in to) are rendered in 4k? let alone 8k? which is 16 times as many pixels!? Many films this century were also shot digitally at sub 4k, with plus 4k shooting only really becoming mainstream in the last couple of years. Then you have film: Overwhelmingly movies are shot on 35mm, and the rule of thumb seems to be that there's not much to be gained from scanning these at higher than 4k. IMAX, 60, 70mm film are regularly scanned at higher resolutions, but I can think of like two films off the top of my head that have been shot on that larger format (2001 and Lawrence of Arabia)
In fact here's the list:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_70_mm_films
And
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IMAX_films
If you are thinking "should I buy this on UHD bluray? A better version will just come out in a few years again" Unless its on that list. No. No It wont. Not ever. (*if they did a good job of the release, which is what reviews are for).
The most notable recent releases on that list are Nolan's latest, with Tenet and Dunkirk shot entirely on a mix of 65mm and imax 70mm.
Also the Hateful Eight shot entirely on 70mm (ironically it doesn't even have a 4k release though). But it seems you can count on two hands the number of blockbusters released in the last 40 years shot entirely on large format.
There are a few good films from the last decade shot partially on large format, but the difference in quality between the imax and 35mm scenes can be jarring enough on 4k bluray...
And as for "well should I invest in a player at all" well.. from a "the technology being surpassed" point of view, again, if you like movies with cgi, it'll probably be well over a decade before you have 8k masters...as for films without cgi, it is reasonable to expect there could be 8k sources at least in a few years, though it'll be longer still before 8k is adopted into the editing pipeline and you end up with 8k masters. But it is practically possible for someone so inclined (like James Cameron) to go and produce an 8k shot and mastered blockbuster in the next couple of years if they really want.
Obviously the more apt question is whether the 4k bluray format will die from lack of interest anyway.. There are certainly signs of that. Though I think its more likely that the format will simply become (even more) niche, and perhaps more expensive. But will continue to exist. Much like how vinyl is alive and well. Yes, streaming services will soon enough be able to match the quality of UHD bluray, but music streaming services can literally, objectively surpass the quality of vinyl, yet vinyl remains. Streaming will likely suffer headwinds in the near future too with its primary issue of fragmentation and saturation coming to a head. bluray might not have the sex appeal of vinyl but there is still much to be said for holding a physical copy of a film that you love, that no one can take away from you. that you can always find when you want it.
Picked this set up today pre-owned for $35.99. Can't wait to rewatch Jurrasic park all over again.
What I want to know is, why is it that every single time there's a comparison between bluray and 4k movies, it's compared on a 4k tv? There's no way the bluray would look better on a 4k tv! It's obvious that the bluray format was designed for hd and fhd tv's. So please lets be reasonable and have a fair comparison. That's like me playing a DVD movie on 1080p tv and then saying how superior blu-ray look next to the DVD, I mean c'mon really!
Is 4k better than Blu Ray? I'll make it simple: 4K movies that offer upscaled 4k and HDR? Absolutely not worth the upgrade. Native 4k with Dolby Vision? Yes!
1:16 reference the message posted on screen by Marcel Lambert. MP3 did not win over CD. It had a foothold in the beginning because portable music players has low storage. Whereas CD quality is the minimum quality for most users today, 2022.
I would say the biggest improvement will be noticed on older films like the one you included in the video. Anything digital the resemblance from a stream is near canny. But older films with more grain will almost always look better on disc