Now that I think about it, this could have been easily used as material for the beginning bars of the 1st concerto! It is true MacDowell wrote the opening bars after he completed the entire concerto.
Splendida composizione. Al primo tempo potrebbe essersi successivamente ispirato Rachmaninov, mentre Il Fugato mi ricorda Bach: ci sento l'eco di alcune Fughe del Clavicembalo ben tenperato, a cominciare dalla n.16 BWV 861 del primo libro.
In what sense at all is this piece "modern"? I don't this this music was ever modern. It was old hat the year it was written. It makes Liszt's most cliched claptrap sound profound. When its harmony goes "beyond", it just gets lost. The rest is just dull.
I'd say it comes from the harmony by MacDowell. At the time, this work used complete original harmonic progressions (a bit rare at the time). Liszt did enjoy this suite and sent it to his publishers. The "modern" title is mainly just to have a bit more detail than just calling it Suite in E minor. Also in 1883, these new harmonies were quite new (at the time). Nowadays, its pretty dull like you say. I can agree with today's standards but can't seem to agree in the time period.
@@MacDowellProject I actually felt it was unoriginal even for its time period, and any time the harmony went in an unexpected direction it got garbled. If you can in a text, please show me orherwise. PS - I love chromatic and post-chromatic harmony, so your analysis can go anywhere up to serialism (which I also like, but won't do for MacDowell).
@@ejb7969 well I can't really state it in text. But many articles and magazines like the "Etude" states very much MacDowell possessed original harmony. Though these quotations are mainly from the early 1900s instead of 1882. Also I can't say its serialism but you could say that it was somewhat of a experiment. MacDowell was quite an experimental fella!
It is a modern suite in the type of movements included. Not Prelude, Allemande, Courante, etc. This was the sense I understood both his first and second modern suites. I enjoy the first one more.
@@talastra Thank you for this! THIS makes sense to me. Thinking back, I don't recall many works titled "Suite" in the Classic or Romantic periods before this work. So "Modern Suite" makes perfect sense as a formal title, free of any claims about the harmony.
I once had a mathematic teacher. He swore that nice music ended with Chopin. Everything past that was crap. When I started studying composition, one of the first assignments we got was listening to Le Sacre by Strawinsky. In the beginning I heard just noice. nothing else. For me, music ended with Rachmaninov. Anything past that was 'crap'. We had the obligation to listen to Le Sacre three or four times a day. Slowly, it grew on me. Studying the score, rewriting parts of the score for two piano's, I started to appreciate the work. Now, many decades later, I am open to listen to various kinds of music, also some types of jazz. In my humble and honest opinion, if you do not like something, the 'fault' lays with you and not so much with the composer. The most you can say is that you do not like this or that type of music, and that is okay, not everybody has to have the same preferences, but not that music is crap. It is not because you do not like something, somebody else does not like it. Somebody can think you are hot and cute and looking very pretty and handsome, others may think just the opposite...
@@Apuleios2 an uncommonly wise contribution. I remember being perplexed / nonplussed when i first encountered Debussy's 'Jeux' and 'La Mer' hoping for something along the lines 'clair de lune'. I just kept on listening to them over and over again. However, I'm assuming the initial comment is ironic.
Utterly Gorgeous.
Thanks a lot for sharing, what a gem! I can clearly hear Amy Beach's inspiration when she composed "Les Rêves de Colombine"
Hint of genius
The beginning to the prelude kinda reminded me of his first concerto.
Now that I think about it, this could have been easily used as material for the beginning bars of the 1st concerto! It is true MacDowell wrote the opening bars after he completed the entire concerto.
1st movent might have inspired Scriabin to compose his 3sonata?
I can't say Scriabin listened or heard about MacDowell. But yes you could say Scriabin was inspired by music like this.
Bozo Dorochenko -- Good point......BRAVO from Acapulco!
Splendida composizione. Al primo tempo potrebbe essersi successivamente ispirato Rachmaninov, mentre Il Fugato mi ricorda Bach: ci sento l'eco di alcune Fughe del Clavicembalo ben tenperato, a cominciare dalla n.16 BWV 861 del primo libro.
This suite is weeping for an orchestra. Beautiful music, Rachmaninoffian (a word?).
quite different from the pieces I have by him.
In what sense at all is this piece "modern"?
I don't this this music was ever modern. It was old hat the year it was written. It makes Liszt's most cliched claptrap sound profound. When its harmony goes "beyond", it just gets lost. The rest is just dull.
I'd say it comes from the harmony by MacDowell. At the time, this work used complete original harmonic progressions (a bit rare at the time). Liszt did enjoy this suite and sent it to his publishers. The "modern" title is mainly just to have a bit more detail than just calling it Suite in E minor. Also in 1883, these new harmonies were quite new (at the time). Nowadays, its pretty dull like you say. I can agree with today's standards but can't seem to agree in the time period.
@@MacDowellProject I actually felt it was unoriginal even for its time period, and any time the harmony went in an unexpected direction it got garbled. If you can in a text, please show me orherwise.
PS - I love chromatic and post-chromatic harmony, so your analysis can go anywhere up to serialism (which I also like, but won't do for MacDowell).
@@ejb7969 well I can't really state it in text. But many articles and magazines like the "Etude" states very much MacDowell possessed original harmony. Though these quotations are mainly from the early 1900s instead of 1882. Also I can't say its serialism but you could say that it was somewhat of a experiment. MacDowell was quite an experimental fella!
It is a modern suite in the type of movements included. Not Prelude, Allemande, Courante, etc. This was the sense I understood both his first and second modern suites. I enjoy the first one more.
@@talastra Thank you for this! THIS makes sense to me. Thinking back, I don't recall many works titled "Suite" in the Classic or Romantic periods before this work. So "Modern Suite" makes perfect sense as a formal title, free of any claims about the harmony.
Atonal crap, almost worse than jazz.
Is this ironic
I once had a mathematic teacher. He swore that nice music ended with Chopin. Everything past that was crap. When I started studying composition, one of the first assignments we got was listening to Le Sacre by Strawinsky. In the beginning I heard just noice. nothing else. For me, music ended with Rachmaninov. Anything past that was 'crap'. We had the obligation to listen to Le Sacre three or four times a day. Slowly, it grew on me. Studying the score, rewriting parts of the score for two piano's, I started to appreciate the work. Now, many decades later, I am open to listen to various kinds of music, also some types of jazz. In my humble and honest opinion, if you do not like something, the 'fault' lays with you and not so much with the composer. The most you can say is that you do not like this or that type of music, and that is okay, not everybody has to have the same preferences, but not that music is crap. It is not because you do not like something, somebody else does not like it. Somebody can think you are hot and cute and looking very pretty and handsome, others may think just the opposite...
@@Apuleios2 an uncommonly wise contribution. I remember being perplexed / nonplussed when i first encountered Debussy's 'Jeux' and 'La Mer' hoping for something along the lines 'clair de lune'. I just kept on listening to them over and over again. However, I'm assuming the initial comment is ironic.
Lmao, someone didn't watch through the videoo
@@Apuleios2 I'd expect more from an adult math teacher.
Beautiful!